The Duel II Sociograms (Spoilers)

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The Duel II Sociograms (Spoilers)
[B][U][SIZE=3]Warning: This does have some spoilers in it. And is opinionated.[/SIZE][/U][/B] I started playing with paint and ended up making this: [URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=956"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/1491e16e86d98a.png[/IMG][/URL] [COLOR=red]Smartest Socially[/COLOR] [COLOR=sandybrown]Strongest Physically[/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow]Biggest Outcast[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkolivegreen]Biggest Shock Factor[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkslategray]Mysterious[/COLOR] [COLOR=royalblue]Most Experienced/Smartest Strategically[/COLOR] [COLOR=lime]Quietest/Most Likely to go far by Flying Under Radar[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]Overall Best[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]Weakest Socially[/COLOR] [COLOR=mediumturquoise]Most Friendly with Everybody[/COLOR] The lines between them show who has been proven to be good friends and that they are the biggest chance for alliance. Somewhat like what was done for The Island, and I was suggested to do one for this. *Now mind my colors I am somewhat color blind.
[quote=Dartagnan;38845]The lines between them show who has been proven to be good friends and that they are the biggest chance for alliance. Somewhat like what was done for The Island, and I was suggested to do one for this. *Now mind my colors I am somewhat color blind.[/quote] I'm colorblind as well and the thing at the bottom is not helping much but its nothing. I actually like this.
[quote=Zachary;38846]I'm colorblind as well and the thing at the bottom is not helping much but its nothing. I actually like this.[/quote] Hahah well I am not fully colorblind. Greens and Reds often give me plenty of troubles. If you cannot see any of the colors I could help you out there over PM.
How do you figure Aneesa to be the biggest outcast?
OtherPplsDrama
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What is Katie's status?
[quote=Zachary;38848]How do you figure Aneesa to be the biggest outcast?[/quote] Where as many of the girls on this cast are somewhat friendly with most Aneesa and Ruthie are not, but I went by the simple fact that Aneesa tends to fight more with others while Ruthie doesn't. [quote]What is Katie's status? [/quote] Most experienced/ Smartest Strategically. She has done more Challenges than any of the remaining girls and knows what she is doing.
How does this have spoilers?
[quote=Dartagnan;38850]Where as many of the girls on this cast are somewhat friendly with most Aneesa and Ruthie are not, but I went by the simple fact that Aneesa tends to fight more with others while Ruthie doesn't.[/quote] I got you. Cool. I hope we get a little more "character development" with Aneesa this time around instead of same ol same ol. And why isn't Robin listed anywhere?
[quote=Jonlu08;38851]How does this have spoilers?[/quote] Jonlu read whats in the tags if you wish. [spoiler]If you have noticed only the girls we know remain are on there.[/spoiler] Some people do not want to be spoiled so you have to be careful. [quote]I got you. Cool. I hope we get a little more "character development" with Aneesa this time around instead of same ol same ol. And why isn't Robin listed anywhere? [/quote] I think she has always had character development especially during The Duel and Inferno 3. She has always had a lot of airtime.
OtherPplsDrama
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[quote=Dartagnan;38850] Most experienced/ Smartest Strategically. She has done more Challenges than any of the remaining girls and knows what she is doing.[/quote] Oh, ok. Maybe I'm color blind too :)
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;38855]Oh, ok. Maybe I'm color blind too :)[/quote] Not really. The colors are really flourescent. I don't blame you for not being able to see it.
Actually there are many other things to describe Katie but we won't get into that now....
[quote=GoldenWarrior;38858]Actually there are many other things to describe Katie but we won't get into that now....[/quote] True. I was soooo waiting for this post. Also, I made the bigger circles for those who i feel to be the bigger threats. Meaning I think Katie, Tori, Ruthie, Diem, Jenn, and Rachel are the biggest threats.
[quote=Dartagnan;38859]True. I was soooo waiting for this post. Also, I made the bigger circles for those who i feel to be the bigger threats. Meaning I think Katie, Ruthie, Diem, Jenn, and Rachel are the biggest threats.[/quote] All of those girls have what it takes to make it far in the game and win but being seen as a threat can mean that you're more likely to go home because you are a stronger player they may want to get rid of.
[quote=GoldenWarrior;38861]All of those girls have what it takes to make it far in the game and win but being seen as a threat can mean that you're more likely to go home because you are a stronger player they may want to get rid of.[/quote] Ture. Being a threat has its downfalls, but for right now they are the threats. Katie having the biggest circle because if anyone knows how to get out of corners and play the games it is her.
[quote=Jonlu08;38851]How does this have spoilers?[/quote] Because it names the female cast of the Duel II :P
[quote=cystic;38874]Because it names the female cast of the Duel II :P[/quote] And more. But thats not the point. We want to be fair for everybody who doesn't want the spoilers. So does anyone wish to give an argument or agreement with my choices?
I could find reasons to agree or disagree with all of your choices, but it is a worthwhile and interesting read. Thanks for the effort. One of the problems with this kind of analysis are the assumptions that go into it. For example, if I went only on data from the last challenge someone was on, I'd think Tori was the strongest and Rachel very over rated. But time marches on. I don't know if Aneesa or Jenn trained extensively or at all for this challenge. I know Rachel did train hard as a result of the embarrassment of The Island. I don't know which people actually worked out deals in advance (although I know some deals were struck in Wolfgang Puck's in the terminal at LAX). I don't know all the raging animosities that exist among this group. All these would be factors in creating a useful sociogram. Making one on-scene is one thing we train our clients to do. It worked to the benefit of a past winner of a major reality show. Since I was involved in the past in training someone cast in a challenge, I'm going to opt out of commenting in any specific way. As I've noted before, cast members and/or family/friends of the cast are reading vevmo, so on something this relevant I'm staying silent.
[quote=V1man;38876]I could find reasons to agree or disagree with all of your choices, but it is a worthwhile and interesting read. Thanks for the effort. One of the problems with this kind of analysis are the assumptions that go into it. For example, if I went only on data from the last challenge someone was on, I'd think Tori was the strongest and Rachel very over rated. But time marches on. I don't know if Aneesa or Jenn trained extensively or at all for this challenge. I know Rachel did train hard as a result of the embarrassment of The Island. I don't know which people actually worked out deals in advance (although I know some deals were struck in Wolfgang Puck's in the terminal at LAX). I don't know all the raging animosities that exist among this group. All these would be factors in creating a useful sociogram. Making one on-scene is one thing we train our clients to do. It worked to the benefit of a past winner of a major reality show. Since I was involved in the past in training someone cast in a challenge, I'm going to opt out of commenting in any specific way. As I've noted before, cast members and/or family/friends of the cast are reading vevmo, so on something this relevant I'm staying silent.[/quote] Ah well thank you for your input. I didn't really know many of the cast train extensively or at all. Nice to see Rachel is working really hard considering her job is a professional trainer. Taking animosity into account is actually a good tool. I was planning on making one for each time a new piece of info regarding departures came up or if you post it at all. V1 you trained somebody? How cool.
[QUOTE=Dartagnan;38877]Ah well thank you for your input. I didn't really know many of the cast train extensively or at all. Nice to see Rachel is working really hard considering her job is a professional trainer. Taking animosity into account is actually a good tool. I was planning on making one for each time a new piece of info regarding departures came up or if you post it at all. V1 you trained somebody? How cool.[/QUOTE] It is one of the things Vision 1 Media Group does very well. A past Survivor winner is one of ours. The fact that we do it at all drives the producers crazy because we teach people how to "win" vs. the producers and crew.
Interesting analysis. I would think that one of the factors that goes into this is who is friends off-screen, which isn't necessarily what we see onscreen. But I would guess (and might be completely incorrect) that among the females Diem, Paula, Tori, and Katie might be a unit. I think Katie can get through for awhile on a very strong social game, but if the duel is anything physical, I don't see her winning. And by the end, people are going to have to start calling each other out and I think at that point Katie could become a target, since she's less physically intimidating than many of the other women. If the rules are the same it might be hard to extricate just female-female alliances. You would need some men in there as intervening variables.
i really like the diagram. Do you have interest in making one for the guys?
[quote=lalalamilf;38881]i really like the diagram. Do you have interest in making one for the guys?[/quote] Sure. I will do one tonight for the guys. Wish to give an argument or agreement?
[quote=Dartagnan;38882]Sure. I will do one tonight for the guys. Wish to give an argument or agreement?[/quote] sure. I agree on most things. I am confused about the rank of Ruthie. she really always seemed to do well at being respected socially. Then I think, well if you mean because she doesnt get crazy like the others, then I can see what you mean. If the rules are the same as in picking girl/guy/girl/guy, then I think Paula may be a bigger threat, just in that basis that there are a lot of guys there that she has history with and I think it would work well to her advantage. I like what you said about diem, I think that was dead on.
[quote=lalalamilf;38885]sure. I agree on most things. I am confused about the rank of Ruthie. she really always seemed to do well at being respected socially. Then I think, well if you mean because she doesnt get crazy like the others, then I can see what you mean. If the rules are the same as in picking girl/guy/girl/guy, then I think Paula may be a bigger threat, just in that basis that there are a lot of guys there that she has history with and I think it would work well to her advantage. I like what you said about diem, I think that was dead on.[/quote] True, but out of this whole cast that is left she has done a Challenge with Rachel, Aneesa, and Katie. Sure she is well-respected, but it doesn't mean the newbies respect her and will treat her the same. Paula is a threat only for that reason, but other than that, she doesn't stand a chance to me. She isn't the best physically and can be beaten by at least 5 of the girls that are left depending on the game.
What's the deal with Anessa? I did read that she didn't come to the challenge in a good position with friends, and that surprised me. I see Anessa as someone with a big heart and someone who can get along with people well enough for the most part, yet she will let you know what she's thinking and will get angry quickly if you rub her the wrong way. I just remember how she was good friends with Katie and Ruthie during G2, and most of the other people on that cast and the BOTS2 cast seemed to get along with her. I wonder what's been going on with her? Now her relationship with Rachel would be another story. I didn't even know they had been close at one point back in the day until Anessa talked about it on The After Show for G2. She said they were close and didn't like Veronica and they vowed not to befriend her, but of course Rachel ended up being best friends with Veronica the next challenge (G1). Now that Rachel is no longer with Veronica, I was wondering if she and Anessa would be friendly again, but it seems maybe not. Also, her relationship with Tonya seems so up and down. I know they didn't mesh well during their RW season, but sometimes they seemed friendly on challenges, and sometimes they don't really. But that seems to happen a lot with Tonya, anyway.
[quote=RW561015;38890]What's the deal with Anessa? I did read that she didn't come to the challenge in a good position with friends, and that surprised me. I see Anessa as someone with a big heart. Now her relationship with Rachel would be another story. [/quote] I agree with Aneesa being someone who is very nice and has a big heart. Maybe this time she is different, but on every other Challenge she seemed to be very nice, and very friendly with mostly everybody. Her relationship with Rachel may be different, and I wonder if anything will happen between the two, but V1 has posted his opinion on the situation. [URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=957"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/1491ed7b535132.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The same thing applies as the one with the girls, except this time, some guys may have more than one line connecting to another circle. [COLOR=red]Most Friendly/Most Loyal/Overall Best[/COLOR] [COLOR=orange]Most Experienced/Physically Strongest(Past)[/COLOR] [COLOR=dimgray]One of the Strongest Physically[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange]Smartest Socially[/COLOR] [COLOR=pink]Strongest Physically[/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]All-Around Competitor[/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow]Biggest Wildcard[/COLOR][COLOR=yellow]/Size Intimidation[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkolivegreen]Weakest Physically/Most to Prove[/COLOR] [COLOR=sandybrown]All-Around Weakest[/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna]Size Intimidation[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]My explanation for Dunbar being the weakest comes from him not having a lot of friends, as well as the fact that he hasn't proven himself physically, and the one mission he was in he was poor at.[/COLOR]
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I think you should make Rachels circle the biggest one. It was stated before on a spoiler threat that she is so far dominating the game.
Hey dartagan wheres CT on your list???
oops wheres every other guy on your list there Dartagnan and just to tell you I think you should put CT on the brown circle for Size Intimidation
Dunbar sold his cast mates out completely in the Island so I'm not sure it's safe to say that he and Isaac are close. ;) Just my thoughts. Dunbar is probably trying to get in with Brad, Mark, Evan... would be my guess.... and then I could be totally wrong and usually am. :)

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