[QUOTE=luckystar112;70597]Very interesting! Good eye.
Everyone was talking about the "partners" thing earlier in the thread....
Is there [I]supposed[/I] to be some big back story to how the partners came about?
I always figured that pairing up for the first time set forth the current elimination order and everyone just adopted their "partner" permanently because they figured they would always be at the top.
I can be pretty simple minded though.[/QUOTE]
It may be as simple as that, but since partners play an important role in much of the show thus far, one would think that the story editor would have told us what the partners were all about. We know from Mark's interview that he and Rachel entered the game knowing it was not a team competition and that they would partner, so apparently we are the only ones not in on it.
Oh and I forgot to add how I was disgusted by Jenn laughing at Dunbar over Kim. Her joining forces with Paula has made me think differently of her, and not in a good way.
I never thought there would be a day where I would be sticking up for Dunbar, Dunbar should thank Kim.
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Aww sad to see Kim get sent home by Zena warrior princess, but she had a good run of it can't wait to see her again on the next challenge. I think she definitely would've had a better shot if she had called Paula into the duel vs. Jenn. The talk about Dunbar and certain sex acts on the after show had me cringing though, TMI girl, TMI! What do these (beautiful, seemingly intelligent) women see in Dunbar I will never know or care to know. He did seem to at least be a little more "normal" and laid back on the after show though. I'm really liking Mark as the host, at first I thought that having someone who was on the Duel hosting would make it weird, but it's actually really good to have someone that's like "come on, I was there don't even try to lie!" I'm not a huge fan of Paula but I actually thought she looked really pretty on the aftershow, but I thought her denial of being jealous of Kim was total bs (though I understand the instinct to preserve some small amount of dignity).
Anyone who thinks Brittini isn't a strong competitor I would have to respectfully disagree. While she's definitely had the luck of the draw having a such a strong partner and by default ending up on the fringes of the power alliance, she also has more than proven herself to be one of the strongest females there. I like seeing her and Landon win.
Diem, please stop squealing, your annoying and obnoxious habit is forcing me to laugh at Evan's responses and I REALLY don't want to start to liking Evan, so stop it. I'm tired of MJ even though he's rarely on, he's just flat out not funny to me and he reeks of trying to hard, the whole hillbilly schtick only works the first 100 times you do it.
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I totally agree with you on all counts. How all these chicks get with Dunbar is beyond me. Did I really hear that he said he had an instructional video? What a tool...
I will give Kim credit she has at least been in 3 duels, which is more than I can say for Dummybear or Paula. I guess she chose Jenn because it seems to me that teams are going up against each other for some reason at this point of the game.
I'm not totally impressed with Brittani. I think her height favored her in this competition and she does have the best male competitor as a partner in Landon. I would take Tori or Rachel over her any day.
I'm so sick of Diem it's not even funny. I don't like Evan either but dang if he didn't have me laughing at some of the stuff he said about her. MJ is just weird. You would think for such a big guy he would be doing better in these challenges.
I can't wait for next week when the competition is more on an individual basis. Now they will get to weed out the strong from the rest of the pack.
[quote=joliny;70620]I totally agree with you on all counts. How all these chicks get with Dunbar is beyond me. Did I really hear that he said he had an instructional video? What a tool...[/quote]
I KNOW! An instructional video? ********* period. I just hope he at least gives as good as he demands.
[quote=joliny;70620]I'm not totally impressed with Brittani. I think her height favored her in this competition and she does have the best male competitor as a partner in Landon. I would take Tori or Rachel over her any day.
I can't wait for next week when the competition is more on an individual basis. Now they will get to weed out the strong from the rest of the pack.[/quote]
I think Rachel (and Ev) are in a league by herself. Tori, I only have to go by what other castmembers have said about her, but I personally haven't seen anything from her that makes her stand out from other above average competitors (Jillian looked stronger on G3). I'm not saying she isn't strong, I just haven't seen anything on my television that justifies the fear of her. Brad is strong enough that if Tori was that head and shoulders above the other girls, I'd think they'd be doing better than perennially 4th place imo.
But I've been impressed with Brittini even on the individual challenge she put up a good fight against eventual winner Ruthie. I would say even accepting Rachel and Tori are the two strongest women, there can be a solid argument made that Brittini is at least the third all around strongest female, she seems smart, she's seems strong (she pretty much bodyslammed Kim with one arm in yesterdays dailies so she can't be too weak), she uses her asset (her height) to her advantage. Even Mark said in an interview he gave that Brittini didn't get challenged like the other newbies because alot of the girls were intimidated by her. She definitely lucked out getting Landon, but he wouldn't be winning challenges imo if he had a weak partner.
This episode was actually able to make me feel a little sympathy for Dunbar. Shock and awe.
In the past, some of this dude's interactions with women have made him look like a possible future wife-beater, but he seemed to show a different side today. Good for him I guess. It also didn't hurt him that Paula somehow does the impossible and makes herself look even more like a petty ******* than usual.
Glad to see Derek win the Duel (nothing against Big Easy, but he seems more like he goes to these challenges to hang and party than go to that next level to win). I was surprised when Evan called both Derek and Easy fat. Easy, yes. Derek, huh? Unless he was joking. And though Evan is annoying, Diem is even worse.
Not a huge fan of Kim, but she did her thing in the Duels she was in, so I give her credit.
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Not a huge fan of Kim, but she did her thing in the Duels she was in, so I give her credit.[/QUOTE]
If you only know her from the ****** edit of the Hollywood season, then even Kim would understand your opinion. Those of us who have come to know her as a member here at vevmo or elsewhere, have an entirely different view of her. What we've seen of her during Duel II is exactly the way she is in real life.
[quote=V1man;70676]If you only know her from the ****** edit of the Hollywood season, then even Kim would understand your opinion. Those of us who have come to know her as a member here at vevmo or elsewhere, have an entirely different view of her. What we've seen of her during Duel II is exactly the way she is in real life.[/quote]
Fair enough. I do also give her points for the fact that unlike some of the vets there, she wasn't whining and crying about going into Duels. She had the right attitude.
[quote=Binary Solo;70633]I think Rachel (and Ev) are in a league by herself. Tori, I only have to go by what other castmembers have said about her, but I personally haven't seen anything from her that makes her stand out from other above average competitors (Jillian looked stronger on G3). I'm not saying she isn't strong, I just haven't seen anything on my television that justifies the fear of her. Brad is strong enough that if Tori was that head and shoulders above the other girls, I'd think they'd be doing better than perennially 4th place imo.[/quote]
Tori has more natural athleticism than you'll see in any girl challenger other than Ev (who is truly in a league of her own). Though Rachel is in excellent shape and has always been a solid competitor, she doesn't have the same fluidity of movement and that's where you can tell the difference. If Tori trains properly and gets her emotions under control, you'll find her to be an unstoppable force. It doesn't seem she did either of those things for this challenge and so you're right, she doesn't stand out from any other above average competitor. The difference is that she has the potential to. As far as fear of her goes... if there is any, it stems from her size and strength.
This might be my favorite Duel 2 mission/challenge so far. It was physical, involved strategy, was timed and... we actually got to SEE the times! I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or even cares, but the shows have gotten into the bad habit of having timed challenges and not showing us the times. It annoys me beyond belief, so getting to see the times made me a happy camper.
Now for what doesn't make me a happy camper... an edit that devotes equal amounts of time to this pathetic Paula/Dunbar dynamic and to the challenge itself. The Duel 2 is using the same amount of air time to show 1 challenge and 2 duels that the Duel 1 used for [B]2[/B] challenge and 2 duels. We traded a challenge for Paula and Dunbar. Talk about an uneven trade.
Evan talking about Diem on The Duel 1 vs. Evan talking about Diem on The Duel 2...
Duel 1: "It was an absolute superhuman heroic effort. It was a straight up inspiration to everyone."
Duel 2: "I'm sick of the gibberish, I'm sick of the chicken calls, I'm sick of her telling me I'm going into the duel."
Duel 1: "Diem can't go to the duel, she's too good of a person and it is my privilege to save her tonight."
Duel 2: "I get this cryin' baby to the top of the ladder. I feel like pushin' her off the ladder."
Kudos to Derek for recognizing his position in this game and preparing to act accordingly. I doubt he'll make it to the top 3 but I hope he has a few more wins in the duel before he goes home.
Kimberly, you were a good sport and that's ridiculously rare on these shows. Good for you. Do more challenges. Please.
Just a couple of my thoughts from the episode -
This episode kind of made me miss the episodes that were focused more on Evan. In my opinion he's way better than hearing about Paula and Dunbar.
I thought Tori and Brad had that challenge won, and then Landon and Brittini come along and blow them out of the water. Them along with Mark and Rachel, seem like the pairs to beat right now.
I'm also really curious to see what happens to Evan during the challenge next week.
[quote=cjslife;70691]Just a couple of my thoughts from the episode -
This episode kind of made me miss the episodes that were focused more on Evan. In my opinion he's way better than hearing about Paula and Dunbar.
I thought Tori and Brad had that challenge won, and then Landon and Brittini come along and blow them out of the water. Them along with Mark and Rachel, seem like the pairs to beat right now.
I'm also really curious to see what happens to Evan during the challenge next week.[/quote]
wow! somehow, I am inclined to agreee with that. Evan is alot more enteraining to me.
Brittani - man I thought so highly of her prior to this challenge, but she has an exceptional partner who is very smart at his approach in these games. Brittani of all the females have had the easiest road to this point. I have to say I was really impressed with Rachel and Tori's performance on the ladder from the female side. I have been a little hesistant on Rachel, but she is a very strong competitor, and she earned my respect last night - even though my respect probably is worth a wooden nickel or less.
Paula,Dunbar, and kim - Kim you're growing on me more and more with each passing episode. Paula - Get Help! and Quick!. Dunbar - this guy seems to enjoy having his cage rattled by Paula.
I like Brittani, but it was sad to see her not try to see to it that someone picked up Kim especially in her position. I do take into account that Landon has an allegiance with certian people, but after Aneesa, it should have been arranged that Derek was picked up - Brittani should have at least tried to convince Aneesa to pick up Derek which would have saved his partner Kim. And based on the dallies and disappointment of Kim's departure, something tells me that Aneesa may have voted differently. However, I don't know the extent of their relationship, but Kim has proven herself to be a good competitor. Jenn is a flat out little beast.
the duels - actually Eazy had a good strategy, and I was surprised at how long this lasted. Jenn, well Kimmy gave her best which is more than I can say for the majority of the females thus far on this challenge.
[quote=Darock1713;70708]the duels - actually Eazy had a good strategy, and I was surprised at how long this lasted. Jenn, well Kimmy gave her best which is more than I can say for the majority of the females thus far on this challenge.[/quote]
I agree, Eric did what he could to stay in the game. If I was Derek I would have gotten so frustrated and probably would've ended up losing, but he seemed to handle constantly being pushed off the pole pretty well.
[quote=Cru Jones;70685]Tori has more natural athleticism than you'll see in any girl challenger other than Ev (who is truly in a league of her own). Though Rachel is in excellent shape and has always been a solid competitor, she doesn't have the same fluidity of movement and that's where you can tell the difference. If Tori trains properly and gets her emotions under control, you'll find her to be an unstoppable force. It doesn't seem she did either of those things for this challenge and so you're right, she doesn't stand out from any other above average competitor. The difference is that she has the potential to. As far as fear of her goes... if there is any, it stems from her size and strength.
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Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful analysis. Ev and others have said point blank they think Tori is their biggest competition so I assumed that they had a reason to believe that. But I agree that she just hasn't really brought it in this competiton. Yesterday was the first day I saw that she really stood out to me, but then she got blown out of the water by Brittini and Rachel.
Out of curiosity does anyone know the approximate height of the females? Some people have said the only reason Brittini did well on yesterday's challenge is because she is tall but they don't seem to acknowledge that if it helped Brit than it should've helped Rachel and Tori as well (as they both appear tall), yet they are given more credit for just being stronger. And Kim seems to be fairly tall as well so why didn't it seem to be an advantage for her? Is Brit really that much taller than all the girls that she's the only one who can claim a height advantage as the reason for her strong performance? I don't know, that's why I ask the question.
[quote=Binary Solo;70717]Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful analysis. Ev and others have said point blank they think Tori is their biggest competition so I assumed that they had a reason to believe that. But I agree that she just hasn't really brought it in this competiton. Yesterday was the first day I saw that she really stood out to me, but then she got blown out of the water by Brittini and Rachel.
Out of curiosity does anyone know the approximate height of the females? Some people have said the only reason Brittini did well on yesterday's challenge is because she is tall but they don't seem to acknowledge that if it helped Brit than it should've helped Rachel and Tori as well (as they both appear tall), yet they are given more credit for just being stronger. And Kim seems to be fairly tall as well so why didn't it seem to be an advantage for her? Is Brit really that much taller than all the girls that she's the only one who can claim a height advantage as the reason for her strong performance? I don't know, that's why I ask the question.[/quote]
Tori is Brad smitten, and isn't focused, otherwise she'd be blowing all these females away. From her past body of work - the missions on Road Rules and the Gauntlet, she is clearly proven. I actually think Tori is the tallest, followed by Brit, but I am not sure.
For someone of Ev's caliber to mention that she thought of Tori being her toughest competition over the likes of a Jodi, Rachel, and Beth speaks volumes.
As for the mission last night, there was a point where Landon was scaling up the chain/rungs with Brittani on his back, and she got up each rung on his back. Her height actually did very little imo because Landon carried the load. Rachel fared better because they were last. However, any female that would have had Landon as a partner, for that mission going 2nd to last would have been in a distinct position to win. Kim went early, and had a partner not as good as Landon.
Good strategy, and there is nothing to take away from that of Landon/Brit. However, one must also evaluate that there's and advantage to going last as oppsed to first.
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As for the mission last night, there was a point where Landon was scaling up the chain/rungs with Brittani on his back, and she got up each rung on his back. Her height actually did very little imo because Landon carried the load. Rachel fared better because they were last. However, any female that would have had Landon as a partner, for that mission going 2nd to last would have been in a distinct position to win. Kim went early, and had a partner not as good as Landon.
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Hmmm, interesting. I'll have to watch the challenge again and see how each female got up the ladder, all I remember was that Rachel and Brittini were the only ones that went straight up but I was multitasking so I didn't pay close attention.
I didn't see Tori on her original season and the only thing I remember about the G3 was Frank doing all the work for the rookies and everyone else pretty much sucking other than Jillian when she went into the Gauntlet and took out all those chicks that were bigger than her. But I just googled Tori and I was surprised at how big her arms were to be honest. It actually didn't really occur to me how big she was until now, maybe it's because she's such a lowkey performer and you don't see her hanging out and doing push ups for fun.
[quote=Darock1713;70721]Tori is Brad smitten, and isn't focused, otherwise she'd be blowing all these females away. From her past body of work - the missions on Road Rules and the Gauntlet, she is clearly proven. I actually think Tori is the tallest, followed by Brit, but I am not sure.
For someone of Ev's caliber to mention that she thought of Tori being her toughest competition over the likes of a Jodi, Rachel, and Beth speaks volumes.
As for the mission last night, there was a point where Landon was scaling up the chain/rungs with Brittani on his back, and she got up each rung on his back. Her height actually did very little imo because Landon carried the load. Rachel fared better because they were last. However, any female that would have had Landon as a partner, for that mission going 2nd to last would have been in a distinct position to win. Kim went early, and had a partner not as good as Landon.
Good strategy, and there is nothing to take away from that of Landon/Brit. However, one must also evaluate that there's and advantage to going last as oppsed to first.[/quote]
I agree...However I still think Rachel is the strongest there (mentally and physically). Out of all the girls Rachel has the BEST body...the girl is physically fit. Tori is STRONG but her head is NOT in the game.
Will people stop hatin on Britt, the girl has the height advantage just like Tori she is the 3rd strongest girl their period.
Annessa..I love you but she is such a let down, she is good in duels and Gauntlets, but on missions she sucks. And Diem SUCKS...if CT was there he would be pissed, she FREAKS out way too much. The only thing Diem is good at is running, that girl is a great runner, but that is it.
Jenn..I think she is a strong little girl, she reminds me of V, but if Jenn got into shape she would be a beast..she looks better than she did on the island she just got to work on that stomach, like Annessa.
Strongest Girls on the Duel (Mentally and Physically)
1. Rachel
2. Tori
3. Britt
4. Annessa
5. Jenn
6. Diem
7. Paula
Strongest girls of All time in no particular order (MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY)
Coral, EV, Rachel, Jodi, Tori, Ellen, Emily, Jillian, Kina,Beth, Tonya, and Tina. MTV if you are reading, get all these girls on one show and have a grand prize be in the millions with no elimations until the end, so we can see who is TRUELY the HBIC...my money is on Coral but thats b/c thats my homie.
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Evan talking about Diem on The Duel 1 vs. Evan talking about Diem on The Duel 2...
Duel 1: "It was an absolute superhuman heroic effort. It was a straight up inspiration to everyone."
Duel 2: "I'm sick of the gibberish, I'm sick of the chicken calls, I'm sick of her telling me I'm going into the duel."
Duel 1: "Diem can't go to the duel, she's too good of a person and it is my privilege to save her tonight."
Duel 2: "I get this cryin' baby to the top of the ladder. I feel like pushin' her off the ladder."
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Evan thought of Diem more as a little sister back then. I don't know about her, she has turned into Casey these last few episodes. I got a Casey/ Wes flashback when she was on his back and they were pulling the flag.
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Strongest girls of All time in no particular order (MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY)
Coral, EV, Rachel, Jodi, Tori, Ellen, Emily, Jillian, Kina,Beth, Tonya, and Tina. MTV if you are reading, get all these girls on one show and have a grand prize be in the millions with no elimations until the end, so we can see who is TRUELY the HBIC...my money is on Coral but thats b/c thats my homie.[/QUOTE]
Double or nothing it will never happen.
I would like to see Tori v Brittini to determine who is more physically fit. I still don't think we can speculate who is on top for sure without seeing a heads-up competition. That's been one of the biggest disappointments for me this challenge.
Im so tired of them spoiling it at the beginning with who goes home....and why does Evan get to come on for a confessional every other person? The Editing for these challenges are getting worse and worse by the season for it to be a hour show now you think the editing would get better...but I guess that's why they have the dailies on mtv.com...
But anyway, i'm glad that Brittini is doing well in this challenge she has really broken the stereotype that rookies do bad their first challenge especially rookie woman.
[quote=DaCollegeKid;70802]Im so tired of them spoiling it at the beginning with who goes home....and why does Evan get to come on for a confessional every other person? The Editing for these challenges are getting worse and worse by the season for it to be a hour show now you think the editing would get better...but I guess that's why they have the dailies on mtv.com...
But anyway, i'm glad that Brittini is doing well in this challenge she has really broken the stereotype that rookies do bad their first challenge especially rookie woman.[/quote]
It's amazing because they have the content to edit it in a way to throw off people and not spoil itself within the first few minutes. But the picking edit shocked me...it virtually ruined the whole effect they were going for lol But the episodes are good though and I am enjoying the season with the exception of all the people I like going home :P
The episode was actually good.
I am glad Jenn won, but sad Kim lost which I know is very contradictory.
All I have to say if Big Easy was hilarious in that mission.
[quote=Binary Solo;70717]Out of curiosity does anyone know the approximate height of the females? Some people have said the only reason Brittini did well on yesterday's challenge is because she is tall but they don't seem to acknowledge that if it helped Brit than it should've helped Rachel and Tori as well (as they both appear tall), yet they are given more credit for just being stronger. And Kim seems to be fairly tall as well so why didn't it seem to be an advantage for her? Is Brit really that much taller than all the girls that she's the only one who can claim a height advantage as the reason for her strong performance? I don't know, that's why I ask the question.[/quote]
This is a cool question. I wish I had better data available, but here we go...
According to MySpace:
Brittini - 5'10"
Jenn - 5'3"
Rachel - 5'6"
Paula - 5'5"
*Tori - 5'8" or 5'9" (Brad's myspace says he's 6'0" and she's not significantly shorter than him)
Question: With all other things held constant, would height be an advantage in this challenge? Yes, due to body length and arm length. Arm length is correlated to height. Taller means longer arms, longer arms (and taller) means longer reach. For every inch height difference, there's generally an additional .3 to .4 inches in arm length. If there really is a 7-inch height difference between Brittini (who is catching flak on this site) and Jenn (who made the comment about height in the episode), Jenn would be giving up 9 to 10 inches in reach to Brittini. If something is 9 inches more within my reach than yours, I can get a better grip on it and get better leverage to pull myself up (and if I'm taller, I probably also have slightly bigger hands, which would help, too). That's where the advantage lies.
However, there are disadvantages that often accompany height, so 'yes' is the answer to a hypothetical in which all other things are held constant. There are a number of other variables at play here, like weight, upper body strength, balance, fear of heights, basic maneuverability, and of course, strategy. Eric is taller than Landon and Brad, but he couldn't hold his own body weight. Aneesa is taller than Rachel and had that same problem. On that note, one could argue upper body strength and weight are more relevant in this challenge than height.
As for the perception of Tori and Rachel being strong while people claim Brittini had a height advantage... Tori lifted herself up the first seven rungs, she said. We see Rachel lifted herself a few times. From the first rung, Brittini used Landon as a step to get up. Could she have climbed up the way Tori and Rachel did? Probably (or maybe not, I don't know or care) but it would've taken longer and used up more energy. The way she and Landon did it doesn't make her look strong, but it was smarter and they took the win.
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