[quote=Buck05;91451]I don't think it's hate for "Fresh Meat" as much as it is hate for Kenny and Evan. Not many people on Vevmo dislike Ryan, Diem, or Casey. I don't think people necessarily like Eric but nobody really hates him that I'm aware of. Evelyn has many fans on this board, and is actually a member herself.
I think most of my own frustration goes back to the fact that half of the Fresh Meat cast has been forgotten and not on another challenge (such as Aviv, Johnnie, Chanda, Linette, etc.) I would love to see one of them again.[/quote]
And I would just like to add that while many people on VEVMO hate Kenny and Evan, Vevmo is a small percentage of people who watch these shows. I know a ton of people outside Vevmo who watch for people like Kenny and Evan.
And actually yes, a lot of people dislike Ryan, Diem, and Casey just as they dislike Kenny and Evan.
For the record, the only who I truly can't stand is Casey. Ryan gets on my nerves because he acts like a super fan instead of an alumni of the show.
I'm actually fine with another Fresh Meat... enough of Kenny and Evan. I want to see some new faces, Fresh Meaters or Roadies, I don't really care. I just hope that they cast people that are interesting yet likable because they didn't bring back half of Fresh Meat 1 just because they were "boring", according to BMP. Bacchus, is there any possibility that BMP would create a new show to maybe replace Road Rules?
[QUOTE]Bacchus, is there any possibility that BMP would create a new show to maybe replace Road Rules?[/QUOTE]
There is nothing in the pipe that I am aware of. It would be more likely that there would be a Fresh Meat II and then a Fresh Meat III a few years later to infuse the series with new blood.
p.s. I am not fully sure they will even call it "Fresh Meat." They might go with a new moniker and a new format, while still bringing in people that have not participated in their franchise shows.
[quote=Bacchus;91495]There is nothing in the pipe that I am aware of. It would be more likely that there would be a Fresh Meat II and then a Fresh Meat III a few years later to infuse the series with new blood.
p.s. I am not fully sure they will even call it "Fresh Meat." They might go with a new moniker and a new format, while still bringing in people that have not participated in their franchise shows.[/quote]I see. I am suprisingly excited for this new cast if there really will be another Fresh Meat or another show like it... they should cast memorable people. I think it is actually a [I]good[/I] step to fill these shows with new people to get the viewers used to them and occasionally bring back someone like Coral or Julie or someone else that is interested because sooner or later people like Ruthie, Tonya, and Aneesa are gonna move on. Katie I'm sure is done and as is Brad. I may be in the minority here.
[quote=blanky667;91499]I see. I am suprisingly excited for this new cast if there really will be another Fresh Meat or another show like it... they should cast memorable people. I think it is actually a [I]good[/I] step to fill these shows with new people to get the viewers used to them and occasionally bring back someone like Coral or Julie or someone else that is interested because sooner or later people like Ruthie, Tonya, and Aneesa are gonna move on. Katie I'm sure is done and as is Brad. I may be in the minority here.[/quote]
And people will still find a way to hate them because they are not from "Real World" or "Road Rules". I understand if people don't like them because of their personality or whatever but the majority of the hate comes from the fact that they never had an actual season, and its ridiculous. People need to blame BMP, not them. Not everyone from the RW wants to do 85 challenges, and we are close to having no Road Rulers left, unless they have another season. I understand why people might not like their personalities but for the people who say "They have done so many challenges in a row ...bla bla bla." So has everybody else, especially back in the day.
[quote=tjhallow;91504]And people will still find a way to hate them because they are not from "Real World" or "Road Rules". I understand if people don't like them because of their personality or whatever but the majority of the hate comes from the fact that they never had an actual season, and its ridiculous. People need to blame BMP, not them. Not everyone from the RW wants to do 85 challenges, and we are close to having no Road Rulers left, unless they have another season. I understand why people might not like their personalities but for the people who say "They have done so many challenges in a row ...bla bla bla." So has everybody else, especially back in the day.[/quote]Thats a good point. So I guess people will have to deal with the new Fresh Meaters then... love or hate.
[quote=tjhallow;91504]And people will still find a way to hate them because they are not from "Real World" or "Road Rules". I understand if people don't like them because of their personality or whatever but the majority of the hate comes from the fact that they never had an actual season, and its ridiculous. People need to blame BMP, not them. Not everyone from the RW wants to do 85 challenges, and we are close to having no Road Rulers left, unless they have another season. I understand why people might not like their personalities but for the people who say "They have done so many challenges in a row ...bla bla bla." So has everybody else, especially back in the day.[/quote]
TJ will you please audition for the next "Fresh Meat"? :D
[quote=tjhallow;91504]And people will still find a way to hate them because they are not from "Real World" or "Road Rules". I understand if people don't like them because of their personality or whatever but the majority of the hate comes from the fact that they never had an actual season, and its ridiculous. People need to blame BMP, not them. Not everyone from the RW wants to do 85 challenges, and we are close to having no Road Rulers left, unless they have another season. I understand why people might not like their personalities but for the people who say "They have done so many challenges in a row ...bla bla bla." So has everybody else, especially back in the day.[/quote]
How is that ridiculous? I think hating the Fresh Meat because they didn't have an actual season is completely justified. When I watch these challenges I want to see Real World and Road Rules alumni, not people that have no business there. And you're right not every cast member wants to do a dozen challenges. And the people that do them will move on eventually. That's fine I have no problem with that but why the **** would BMP bring in random people that were never on on Real World/Road Rules? I mean yeah the number of people that want to do these challenges is wearing thin but why not just do smaller challenges with smaller casts? I would rather them do that then just bring in a bunch of boring and annoying people just to take up space on the challenges.
And you're right the old vets used to do a lot of challenges back in the day but at least they were actual cast members and actually brought something to the show. Can you say the same about the Fresh Meat?
[quote=Debut Album;91574]How is that ridiculous? I think hating the Fresh Meat because they didn't have an actual season is completely justified. When I watch these challenges I want to see Real World and Road Rules alumni, not people that have no business there. And you're right not every cast member wants to do a dozen challenges. And the people that do them will move on eventually. That's fine I have no problem with that but why the **** would BMP bring in random people that were never on on Real World/Road Rules? I mean yeah the number of people that want to do these challenges is wearing thin but why not just do smaller challenges with smaller casts? I would rather them do that then just bring in a bunch of boring and annoying people just to take up space on the challenges.
And you're right the old vets used to do a lot of challenges back in the day but at least they were actual cast members and actually brought something to the show. Can you say the same about the Fresh Meat?[/quote]
I think "hating" someone you don't know personally is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. But hey, if thats how you roll....
And yes. I think that they do bring things to the show, more than people like Paula, Dunbar, Robin, etc.
I could do without a few of them but I don't hate people I have never met. Come on now...
I like how your the one that talks about them the most but yet you "hate" them.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;91593]Already working it.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it would be most likely that if they were to do another Fresh Meat they would use [strike]rejects[/strike] those that made it into the late rounds of Real World casting from previous seasons.
[quote=Bacchus;91595]Actually, it would be most likely that if they were to do another Fresh Meat they would use [strike]rejects[/strike] those that made it into the late rounds of Real World casting from previous seasons.[/quote]
You know what I meant...:D
[quote=Debut Album;91574]How is that ridiculous? I think hating the Fresh Meat because they didn't have an actual season is completely justified. When I watch these challenges I want to see Real World and Road Rules alumni, not people that have no business there. And you're right not every cast member wants to do a dozen challenges. And the people that do them will move on eventually. That's fine I have no problem with that but why the **** would BMP bring in random people that were never on on Real World/Road Rules? I mean yeah the number of people that want to do these challenges is wearing thin but why not just do smaller challenges with smaller casts? I would rather them do that then just bring in a bunch of boring and annoying people just to take up space on the challenges.
And you're right the old vets used to do a lot of challenges back in the day but at least they were actual cast members and actually brought something to the show. Can you say the same about the Fresh Meat?[/quote]
I think there can be a separation between not wanting FMers on challenges and actually just disliking their personalities, though. Or in some cases, I think it's a little bit of both for some of the viewers. I do think initially a lot of viewers just wanted the show to remain RW/RR (Bacchus's analogy to the NBA explains why) and just weren't too interested in the FM people. And that was different from dislike for a lot of people - it was just wanting to preserve the series and a indifference or lack of interest in the FM personalities. But I also think over time a lot of viewers actually became annoyed with the actual personalities or behavior of some of these people as well. I think this all came to a peak during Gauntlet 3.
I agree with what tj said about all of the repeat FM people having those that dislike them. It happens with regular castmembers as well, even if they are popular. There will always be someone who does not like a castmember for whatever reason.
Before FM and going back to around the time of BOTS2 & Inferno 2, I remember some people complaining about people like Veronica, Coral, Mike, Abram, Tonya, Rachel, Theo, Mark, Eric, Tina, etc, because they were tired of seeing them do so many challenges (and some of them did several back to back challenges).
And with some of the FM, not only is it seeing them over and over again and kind of taking over challenges and disliking personalities, but it's also the fact that they aren't actually RW or RR people.
My issue is this.
The thing that the FM cast members do, every other cast member does at one point or another. Every cast member has annoying moments, wether you admit it or not.
I get tired of people talking **** saying Fresh Meat cast members do too many challenges. Like I said before, Veronica did like what, 7 in a row? And she's on her 10th MTV show. Kenny and Ev did every challenge from FM until Duel 2. The others haven't. So this they do every challenge in a row is BS. Diem, Evan, and Eric skipped I3 and the Island. Ryan skipped The Duel and I3. Fresh Meat is not going anywhere. They will keep getting invited to do challenges until they retire.
If you dislike them on the show, thats fine. And for the people that are saying they bring nothing to challenges, I can think of a whole lot of cast members that bring nothing to challenges and are still there. MJ, Nedermeyer, Paula, Robin, Dunbar, all bring nothing to the challenges IMO, and they are still here. We don't call the shots, BMP does.
I can't stand the people who chime in every single time FM is mentioned how much they hate them. How can you hate someone you don't even know? There are a lot of cast members I don't care for, and I don't chime in EVERY single time they are mentioned. This whole rant against the Fresh Meat cast on Vevmo is old.
[quote=RW561015;91610]I think there can be a separation between not wanting FMers on challenges and actually just disliking their personalities, though. Or in some cases, I think it's a little bit of both for some of the viewers. I do think initially a lot of viewers just wanted the show to remain RW/RR (Bacchus's analogy to the NBA explains why) and just weren't too interested in the FM people. And that was different from dislike for a lot of people - it was just wanting to preserve the series and a indifference or lack of interest in the FM personalities. But I also think over time a lot of viewers actually became annoyed with the actual personalities or behavior of some of these people as well. I think this all came to a peak during Gauntlet 3.
I agree with what tj said about all of the repeat FM people having those that dislike them. It happens with regular castmembers as well, even if they are popular. There will always be someone who does not like a castmember for whatever reason.
Before FM and going back to around the time of BOTS2 & Inferno 2, I remember some people complaining about people like Veronica, Coral, Mike, Abram, Tonya, Rachel, Theo, Mark, Eric, Tina, etc, because they were tired of seeing them do so many challenges (and some of them did several back to back challenges).
And with some of the FM, not only is it seeing them over and over again and kind of taking over challenges and disliking personalities, but it's also the fact that they aren't actually RW or RR people.[/quote]
See this is it for me It's not just the fact that they were never on RW/RR it's also the fact that most of them sucks ***. If they were Actually Interesting I would Tolerate them but they aren't.
Paula, Nehemiah, Dunbar, Robin, etc. get bashed a lot as well and people are always saying how they can't stand them, too. So it goes the same with actual castmembers as well. Like I said earlier, Veronica was bashed a lot during her heyday, but her return is like a throwback to past years in which a lot of people came up with those shows and prefer them to now. And she's been gone for YEARS now. Now it's a case of people being annoyed by the current batch of people and actually being a little glad to see some people from the past back, even if they were annoyed by them before. Plus I think people know that someone like Veronica, or Rachel, or Tonya, or Susie, may just be the best they will be able to get concerning the past and they will accept them. They still will get bashed some, though. Some people still didn't like Rachel all so much on Duel 2, for example.
It's not always about back to back challengers, either. Sometimes it's just about people tiring of people's personalities over the years. It will always happen, I think. There will always be people annoyed with someone and they will continue to say so. Especially if that person gets a lot of screen time and are involved in what is perceived to be shady behavior or if they trash talk a lot of people, etc.
I do think hate is strong as well.
[quote=RW561015;91627]Paula, Nehemiah, Dunbar, Robin, etc. get bashed a lot as well and people are always saying how they can't stand them, too. So it goes the same with actual castmembers as well. Like I said earlier, Veronica was bashed a lot during her heyday, but her return is like a throwback to past years in which a lot of people came up with those shows and prefer them to now. And she's been gone for YEARS now. Now it's a case of people being annoyed by the current batch of people and actually being a little glad to see some people from the past back, even if they were annoyed by them before. Plus I think people know that someone like Veronica, or Rachel, or Tonya, or Susie, may just be the best they will be able to get concerning the past and they will accept them. They still will get bashed some, though. Some people still didn't like Rachel all so much on Duel 2, for example.
It's not always about back to back challengers, either. Sometimes it's just about people tiring of people's personalities over the years. It will always happen, I think. There will always be people annoyed with someone and they will continue to say so. Especially if that person gets a lot of screen time and are involved in what is perceived to be shady behavior or if they trash talk a lot of people, etc.
I do think hate is strong as well.[/quote]
Sorry, I don't agree with you at all. Fresh Meaters get bashed more than any other cast member on this forum. The only other person that may get bashed as much is Paula.
There is difference between saying you can't stand a cast member or that they annoy you than saying you hate them or suck *** or whatever it is. Most of the time when I read stuff about FM cast members, its more along the line of being hostile.
[quote]The thing that the FM cast members do, every other cast member does at one point or another. Every cast member has annoying moments, wether you admit it or not.
[/quote]You know what? you're right but atleast the rest are actual the castmembers
[quote]I get tired of people talking **** saying Fresh Meat cast members do too many challenges. Like I said before, Veronica did like what, 7 in a row? And she's on her 10th MTV show. Kenny and Ev did every challenge from FM until Duel 2. The others haven't. So this they do every challenge in a row is BS. Diem, Evan, and Eric skipped I3 and the Island. Ryan skipped The Duel and I3. Fresh Meat is not going anywhere. They will keep getting invited to do challenges until they retire.[/quote]And I will keep talking about them as long as they do these challenges and skipping 1 or 2 challenges don't count. Most of them have done more challenges than they have sit out.
[quote]If you dislike them on the show, thats fine. And for the people that are saying they bring nothing to challenges, I can think of a whole lot of cast members that bring nothing to challenges and are still there. MJ, Nedermeyer, Paula, Robin, Dunbar, all bring nothing to the challenges IMO, and they are still here. We don't call the shots, BMP does.
[/quote]I will agree with you on this there are many castmembers who don't bring anything to the show **** MOST don't. The people that do the challenges now aren't as Interesting as the ones who did the challenges then. But I just want it to be strictly RW/RR and you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. BMP may call the shots but that doesn't mean I have to like the decisions they make regarding the challenges.
[quote]I can't stand the people who chime in every single time FM is mentioned how much they hate them. How can you hate someone you don't even know? There are a lot of cast members I don't care for, and I don't chime in EVERY single time they are mentioned. This whole rant against the Fresh Meat cast on Vevmo is old.[/quote]The only reason I chimed in this time is because you were saying that it rediculous that people don't like the Fresh Meat becasue they were never one RW/RR and I think that's rubbish.
And for the record I do talk about castmembers I like. Just look in the generic thread.
[quote=Debut Album;91635]
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The only reason I chimed in this time is because you were saying that it rediculous that people don't like the Fresh Meat becasue they were never one RW/RR and I think that's rubbish.[/B]
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No its ridiculous. The most ridiculous thing I have ever read on Vevmo.
I don't dislike the Fresh Meat people because they are Fresh Meat. It doesn't help their cause, but that's not it.
I liked Evan, Kenny, Diem, Eric, Linette, Aviv, and Chanda upon initial viewing of them. On the original Fresh Meat, they were all cool in my book for the most part. Jesse was whatever, Tonya's partner annoyed me, and Ryan, Casey, and Evelyn I just could not stand. Ev and Ryan were barely there but I just wasn't a fan. Casey thought she was hot **** because she was winning Exiles. Except that she forgot to mention Wes was winning Exiles, with cameo appearances by Casey doing absolutely nothing.
Then the Duel rolled around and there were 5 FM people and I was like "wait what? They are still going to be on these challenges?" and was kind of not feeling that but I warmed up to it. Casey continued to bug, Kenny was hardly there, and Eric I had no opinion of. Diem I was okay with until she had this chip on her shoulder of "OMG I can't believe someone would dare choose me!" The same chip she had when Tina called her out on FM. That was annoying and so yeah she started to bug. Evan was just obnoxious with his ridiculous commentary. The things he said were just annoying and he seemed like a little snake.
Then Inferno 3 and Evelyn returned. Yay. (Not). I already didn't like her from FM and she just bugged even more this time. She was very holier than thou and that's not a winning attitude for me. Kenny I found funny, but his "I'm really attractive" schtick got old fast for me.
Then came Gauntlet 3, with not 1, not 2, but SEVEN Fresh Meat cast members. Oh joy. Evelyn continued to grate with her self righteousness, Evan and Kenny bugged with their "Boys rule. Girls drool." attitude (I'm a guy btw), Diem did nothing, literally I forgot she was there. Who else? Oh Eric was whatever, it was kind of funny when he died on the final challenges screwing over his godawful team. And Casey? Ugh words cannot begin to describe how much she bugs. She acted all high and mighty for "stepping up" when Coral quit. *****, please. You suck at the challenges anyways and your team will be better off without you. Ryan I had actually grown to like this challenge.
Then the Island came and I decided I didn't like Ryan anymore, Kenny's gameplay made me continue to dislike him, and Evelyn, oh Evelyn... I went into the Island disliking her a lot, then she kind of started to weirdly warm up to me with her telling off Johnny, but then that all went to **** when she decided to team up with them in order to win. I get that she wanted to win, but whatever. I thought she was all about dignity and stuff. Idk I don't really remember that challenge.
The Duel, Ryan and Evan still annoyed, Diem gained points, and Eric was all good in the hood.
So yeah, I dislike them because most of their personalities and gameplays from what we have seen on TV. Not because they are Fresh Meat.
[/endrant] (This isn't directed at anyone, for the record, just wanted to get it off my chest/keyboard)
MPH, I'm not knocking anyone who doesn't like them, but to dislike somebody because they didn't have an original season of RW or RR, that is ridiculous and immature.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;91642]MPH, I'm not knocking anyone who doesn't like them, but to dislike somebody because they didn't have an original season of RW or RR, that is ridiculous and immature.[/QUOTE]
Oh I understand and agree. I do think that is silly, but I'll admit to saying I give them a harder time because of that in the past. It's just an easy excuse you know?
[quote=mph922;91646]Oh I understand and agree. I do think that is silly, but I'll admit to saying I give them a harder time because of that in the past. It's just an easy excuse you know?[/quote]
I don't agree with it but I understand. You can dislike or be annoyed by someone because of their personality but to not like them because the show they came from is ridiculous.
Its like saying you automatically don't like someone because of their skin color, and your not going to get to know their personality because you don't like their skin color. Okay bad example, but you get my drift? lol.
I do understand where people's annoyance comes from but everyone is so hostile about it, which I find unnesecary.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;91649]
I do understand where people's annoyance comes from but everyone is so hostile about it, which I find unnesecary.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but I think it has more to do with the fact that they've done so many challenges now. If you were to read boards like twop, speakreality, and tubescan around the days of BOTS2 up until the Duel or even Inferno 3, you would get a headache from all the hate people threw at Veronica, Coral, Tonya, Rachel, Tina, Beth, Kina, Susie, Robin, Miz, etc. Even Derrick. People just get sick of seeing the same people.
Give it a few challenges and it'll be all hate towards Dunbar, Kellyanne, Shauvon, Kim, Nick, etc. if they're still doing challenges. :p (Okay Dunbar and Shauvon are already there...)
[quote=mph922;91656]Yeah but I think it has more to do with the fact that they've done so many challenges now. If you were to read boards like twop, speakreality, and tubescan around the days of BOTS2 up until the Duel or even Inferno 3, you would get a headache from all the hate people threw at Veronica, Coral, Tonya, Rachel, Tina, Beth, Kina, Susie, Robin, Miz, etc. Even Derrick. People just get sick of seeing the same people.
Give it a few challenges and it'll be all hate towards Dunbar, Kellyanne, Shauvon, Kim, Nick, etc. if they're still doing challenges. :p (Okay Dunbar and Shauvon are already there...)[/quote]
Well I hate most of them already, I just don't post it all over vevmo. [B]Just kidding.
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I don't know, I guess I just can't stand the hostility, but, If you calmly explain why you don't like them instead of say they suck *** at the end of every sentence, than there is no problem. Its just all in the way you present your opinion.
MPH, I don't hate on people for doing too many Challenges in a row, my only issue with Fresh MEat, is exactly what B posted, nicely too if I may add, also because they feel that since they got a show dedicated to them, that they have some huge chip on their shoulder.
Like Diem and Evan are big candidates of that whole persona.
People dont like them because they steal the air time from our favorite RW/RR alumni. We feel no connection to these people because we didnt see them on a season and are not rooting for them, especially when they are taking over the show.
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