Survivor 20 All Stars: Heroes vs. Villains - Spoilers

survivrcuz added that indeed, Sandra/Russell/Parvati are the final 3 and that Courtney is booted the night before the merge over concern that she and Sandra are too tight and will flip to the heroes tribe. I think he is trying to throw some true information in along with misdirection

Adding some credibility to survivrcuz: SU confirmed the merge name to be "Yin Yang." survivrcuz responded saying "jin jang, yin yang tomatoe, tomato i wrote what i heard sorry i didnt ask for how it was spelled " And this from SU: "Also, Russell doesn't have one up on all of them. He had no idea who and how the Pre *** players played:) " One more thing from SU, regarding what Coby said: [quote]The so called attempted suicide has nothing to do w/ the game. It was a threat, thats all. B/C they refused to sit in LL until it was done, and then a snd player followed in their footsteps. [/quote]Could correlate with the rumors that Sugar spent the entire filming texting her friends. They probably gave her her Blackberry if she promised not to commit suicide.

Stephenie got totally duped by garyw ("Ben Wade" on facebook): [URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4103"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/2324aca2de63cb24.jpg[/IMG][/URL] It indicates that Coach is in second half of pre-jury and Stephenie is in first half (pre-jury probably went on separate trips with Rob's boot being the cutoff).

Stephenie's message also indicates Cirie probably made it further than the Rob cut-off since she references a Micronesia alliance that she assumes does well. The Micronesians (minus Parvati) probably are the ones who take Stephenie out. I figure that after Sugar is gone, James, Amanda, Cirie, Rupert and Candice band together. Cirie could be the popular player taken out by the idol if the JT/Colby/Tom minority alliance finds it. The only thing a little confusing to me is Stephenie and Tom are very close and if he makes it past the Rob cut-off point, she probably would have found out what happened from him rather than looking for info from "Coach." Maybe he does go before Rob?

More from SurvivorsUnited: He confirms that JT will indeed be seen as a stupid player for whatever he did. No Exile Island, but there are immunity idols -- about 4 are played and all of them are effective. Also from survivrcuz: [quote]i over heard that sandra was even more out of control than pear islands, I love that Spicy Latin Chica with the Big Mouth, good Tv if she's out-a-control [/quote]

All three sources -- cuz, missy, and SU have said JT made some sort of extremely dumb move, so its as confirmed as it can be. More from SU: [quote]Tyson has a new friend...Coach a distant memory=( [/quote] And from cuz: [quote]sandra too was upset that she was a villain, but the good thing is that she ended up filling those shoes quite well . i heard she fights more with russell than she ever did with foreplay [/quote] Someone also posted 3 scenarios of the first three jurors: Colby/Rupert/JT, Rupert/JT/Candice, and JT/Candice/Amanda, and cuz said one of them is right.

Missy said this quote came from a certain former player: "There are 2 phases to Survivor - One is getting before the jury and the other is pleading your case. I am damn good at the first one but not so good with the second one. " Obviously Russell or Amanda, but given her connections to Russell, I'd guess its him. Hopefully he pulls an Amanda and bombs out twice in a row. She also said: [quote]There are a couple of patterns developing over 19 and 20 with The Evil One. He is loyal to his real alliance and in order to get to where he is going - [B]he picks certain females[/B] [B]to - protect and advance - if they stay loyal to him.[/B] So he will be thought of for now as a villain but by the time 20 is over you will understand how loyal he was to his real alliance and how smart of a game he played to do it. If you merge down 8 to 4 - you really have to scramble to get to the final 3 and you will see - he scrambles with the best of them. [/quote]

Looks like it is true that Courtney and Sandra became close in Samoa, this is under a picture of Sandra's daughter on FB: [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4114][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/2324acbd73898460.jpg[/img][/url]

I'm still not willing to believe Sandra goes far, the only source who has said that was survivrcuz who is also now claiming that Rob makes it as far as he did in Marquesas (7th person voted out). Given that almost all sources say Stephenie went 2nd, and given that Stephenie knows when Rob went home, and that he was presumably a cut-off point between the earliest of pre-jurors and the second half of them, I don't think 7th out is true. I think cuz is mixing fact and fiction -- its fact that she and Courtney are close but is probably fiction that she makes final 3. Especially given that he says she fights with Russell more than she did with JFP. If Russell has control he would not tolerate that.

It seems as though Erika Shay may have facilitated the Parvati/Russell alliance: From survivrcuz: [quote]russell has an advantage because he is bff with boo who help russell land a spot on survivor and russell went with boo to a couple of events! russell become tight with erica shae who casted him for survivor, she was on the amazing race! erica's bff is parvati! do i need to say more! [/quote] missyae says Erika and Lynne are both trying to get credit for Russell: [quote]You left off the part about James being in on that clique with Russell - Boo - and Krista from Big Brother. You also left off the part that Russell originally applied for Pirate Master and was told he would be on season 2 - which never happened because even season 1 did not make it to the end. You also left off the part where Erika told him to fly to California for an interview and if they did not cast him they would refund his airfare - hotel - meals - taxi - any and everthing. You also left off the part where they fell in love with him during his interview and Erika was taking credit for finding him and now Lynne is taking the credit after how he played in back to back seasons. But - yeah - Boo and Russell are connected. Now how about we move on to another player and you tell us all about them. How about Natalie? [/quote] And more miscellaneous details from cuz: [quote]i heard that James and JT are really mean, that their own tribemates wished that they had been on the villains so that america could see their true colors. i also heard the rupert and sugar were the most annoying. rupert especially. rupert, coach and russell are the types to never say anything without a camara crew present, they wanted cameras on them 24/7. if the cameras went to film something else they would call the crew over and would not open their mouths to talk unless it was on camera. which is what we want to catch every detail on camera. rupert was said to cry everynight about missing his wife child and ruperts kids, cause they will eventually use some of that footage for tv. he also was over heard saying he hoped their was another americas favorite, cause he knew hands down that he would win! it sounded to me like these survivors were really annoyed with him russell JT and coach [/quote]

[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;127261]I don't think Rupert would win the fan favorite.[/QUOTE]Oh yes he will. Rupert, JT and James (or maybe Colby since James doesn't make it too far) will be the top 3 and Rupert will win. That's practically a fact. Jeff Probst has even explicitly stated that the million dollars after All Stars was specifically created to give a handout to Rupert and appeal the masses.

[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;127382]:( I have heard that Rupert is fake for the camers before.[/QUOTE]I feel like I remember Ethan and/or Jenna stating such not long after All Stars. Rupert knows damn well that to get a million dollars, rather than earning it by playing a good game, he can play to the audience by roaring and crying and probably standing in opposition to Russell once the merge comes. I think that will for sure be more of his focus on season 20 than on the game itself. We've already heard that Russell and Rupert do not get along. The "ultimate hero" being taken down by the "ultimate villain" will net Rupert at least $100,000 guaranteed. Maybe production will increase it tenfold for the tenth anniversary and he gets a second million that he did nothing to earn.

SU is back and posted the following: Russell knew who nobody was through season 11 Insinuated a Sandra vs. Coach argument at TC He confirms what cuz said about Courtney - she is voted out premerge due to her closeness with another player (Sandra) Cirie is taken out by an immunity idol. She was sitting in a good spot when she left, and the player who idols her gets voted out after her. There is a double boot and no tribal swaps A female goes on an immunity run or at least wins the most When JT goes home, two idols are played [B]He says that Parvati and Russell are NOT the [U]final 2[/U] [/B]but he continues to refer to it as "final 2." Maybe it is a final 3 with one of them taking 3rd place so it's confusing what he means. He refuses to answer when the question is asked about them making final 3. Another poster who hasn't built up any credibility whatsoever says that Parvati has been bragging in LA that she is the "ultimate Survivor." Cirie's idol is presumably Tom as I predicted a few days ago -- I am guessing the Micronesians rule the heroes tribe with Candice and Rupert. That gives them a 5-4 majority to get Steph out, and a 5-3 to get Tom out that bounces back on Cirie. Then 4-3 to get Tom out.

SU also stated that he felt the winner of season 20 would be well-liked by the posters of the Sucks message board, in fact he answered "yes!" when asked that. From reading Sucks over a few years, I'd say that precludes all of the men, precludes Cirie, Sugar, Stephenie and Courtney since we know they go early, precludes Danielle because she is not liked, precludes Amanda because they are kind of indifferent toward her. Parvati is a difficult one because many love her and many hate her, I think Candice has her fans but is met with general indifference. I'd say he's got either Jerri or Sandra in mind, probably.

I can state, shockingly enough, it is [B]Jerri[/B] who wins the series of post-merge immunity challenge. I was a little puzzled as to why she was speculated to be 4th place -- given her past, she'd be a perfect goat to take to the final vote as she'd lose. But maybe with her immunity wins, she earns respect from the jury and becomes a threat to win. I will explain how I know this later on, don't know if I should say yet.

missyae's posts at Survivor Blows, most of this is repeated info but some new things are in there: [quote]Thanks for starting the thread for Survivor 20. I am really enjoying myself over here so far and let me remind your members that OFG was the one leading me here with her friendly messages to me. Okay, there is info from all different stages of Survivor 20 so lets just jump right in. If I forget something, I will come back and add it later. First off it will be called Heroes vs Villains. On the tribe flags it has those words. Also on the flags instead of outwit, outlast, and outplay it will have Revenge, Return, Redemption. Sort cool? I am sure you guys know the tribes by now but just in case - Villains have Tyson, Rob M., Coach, Russell, Randy Bailey, Parvati, Danielle, Courtney, Jerri, and Sandra. Yes, Sandra is a villain and I was told not only was she shocked, so was everyone else! On the Heroes tribe we have Candice, Steph, Sugar, Amanda, Cirie, Tom W, Rupert, Colby, James, and JT. Yes, JT was there. The heroes buffs are blue and the villains are red. The merge buffs are black. Sugar is the first boot. I was not told about the rumor of the threatened suicide from her but that does not mean it didnt happen, I just have not been told that. I was told she was busted using a cell phone to text people from Loser Lodge. I was also told that JT and Sugar had a fling afterwards at some Survivor related show they both did. Speaking of JT, I was told that he wont be remembered now for sweeping the votes as an undisputed champ. I was told he made a blunder at the hands of Russell that he will long be remembered for. He does do fairly well before that happens. Speaking of Russell, I am told he did not get along with Rupert and grew tired of Coach's tales. He also became part of what I have labeled 'The Evil Alliance' with Parvati. They made a very strong alliance and go very far. Natalie was an alternate and knew that from the start. They were afraid Courtney would not be healthy enough and wanted Natalie as a backup. Of course Courtney did make it. Something else that has some people confused is the story of Jenna Morasca being out there in Samoa to do the pre-show interviews with the cast. That is not true. She did those interviews at the CBS studios in California before the players departed for Samoa. There has been lots of speculating on Rob M. He did not make the merge but he did play hard. Some are reporting he just moped around because he wanted to be home with his wife and baby. I am sure he missed them but he was trying to play the game to win but he did he leave before the merge. The way I was told about his time there was that he was trying to play his same type of game by running everything and some people on his tribe decided they could not have that so they 'sent him home to his family.' James is injured again this time!! Poor guy, he is so nice and has the worst luck. He injured his knee and I am told it is still bothering him to this day and probably will forever. He was not a medivac, in fact he tried participating in a few more challenges after being injured but his tribe made him a sympathy boot. The quote I was told was 'when big strong guys fall, they fall hard.' One of my favorites, don't holler at me, Steph also left very early. One funny tidbit about her leaving was the players on the villains tribe had to explain to Russell why they were surprised at the heroes getting rid of her so soon because of her strength in challenges. I guess he did not watch tapes of any of her previous appearances. Colby and Jerri both make it past the merge and are at least as far as the jury. Randy Bailey leaves very quickly and does not make the merge. Russell Hantz only had 10 days in between doing 19 and 20. He ended up losing between 45-55 pounds in all. I have been told he makes the finals to both 19 and 20. I have a small part of me that is still wondering about that but that is what I was told. I was told the people who make the finals on 20 have been in the very same position in the past, meaning all have at least made it to the finals to plead their cases on a previous sesason. If Russell did in fact make the finals on 20 it would make sense that he made the finals on 19. I also heard an interesting quote about players making it that far. The quote I heard was that a player said 'there are 2 phases to playing the game, 1 is to get yourself before the jury and the other is to convice the jury to vote for you, I am really good at part 1 but not so good at that last part.' I have not been told about hidden idols but was led to believe more than 1 player fell to them. I have not been told anything about whether they have exile or not. I was told that part of the strategy for one alliance was to get rid of Coach, Tyson, and JT because it was felt they would have a cross tribe alliance. I was also lead to believe that Coach left before the merge but was full of his stories again. One other thing I was told was that the producers feel that after CBS sees 19 and 20 they will be begging for more. I also was told they had plans on the tables to do more seasons and had even asked one player from 20 if they would be interested in returning at a later season. Well if I forgot anything I will post it later. I am human, I make mistakes. If I do, I own up to them. Please understand when gathering all this info it can get confusing at times and there has been a couple of things I had to go back to the sources and get clarification on. If that should happen I would be the first to correct my mistake. [/quote] Missy also seems like she may be Russell's wife, she said that a profanity laced post from her name on Sucks was from "her husband" who was sick of the names she was getting called.

Per a Sucks poster, Rupert makes the family visit: [quote]I am usually not the type to come across this kind of information, but I did receive word about how far Rupert went in Survivor 20. According to my source Rupert makes it to at least the final six because his wife was flown out to location and got to be on the show. Also my source mentioned there is a video clip floating around that shows Rupert on S20. I didn't really understand that part. [/quote]

Yet another indication from Jerri that unlike her first two experiences, she seems to have enjoyed her third go around: [URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4233"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/2324ad5183fa02a6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Another longterm Sucks poster received this boot list and posted it, and it really seems quite plausible based on spoilers that have already been received: [quote]20th Sugar 19th Stephenie 18th Randy 17th Cirie 16th Tom 15th Rob 14th Courtney 13th James 12th Coach 11th Tyson 10th JT 9th Colby 8th Candice 7th Amanda 6th Rupert 5th Danielle 4th Jerri Final 3 - Parvati, Sandra, Russell [/quote] The main thing I question is - why would the villains let Rupert stick around to be the last hero? It's probably not an immunity run that he goes on since it is Jerri who wins a majority of the challenges.

SU said that "Parvati and Russell are not the final 2" and repeatedly said "final 2," refusing to elaborate on questions asked. He also didn't say that neither of them make final 2, it's just not both of them together. So SU could very well be saying that Sandra placed top 2 in the voting, Russell placed 3rd, and Parvati either won or took second. If that is the scenario, then that boot list/SU's spoiler are not mutually exclusive. Either way, based on the spoiler that all of the final 3 have been there before, it's gotta be 3 of these 6: Colby, Danielle, Amanda, Parvati, Sandra, Russell.

Fun facts: Assuming the boot list is true and assuming 6th goes on day 36 and 7th on 33, Rupert, Amanda and Parvati are the only 3 Survivors to have played 100 or more days -- Parvati played 114, Amanda played 111, and Rupert played 100. Of the other 298 past Survivors whose days in the game are in the single or double digits - Jerri has the best record with 89 days, followed closely by Colby with 88 days (if she goes on day 38 and he on day 27) Sandra and Russell, despite only having played twice -- have played more days than threepeats Stephenie and Rob (Danielle also has played more days), and possibly more than James depending on what day he got booted. Randy, despite being a repeat player, has played less days than 25 players who have only played once (all finalists minus Lill plus Elisabeth and Keith), and is tied with 11 other one-time players. And if Sandra or Parvati win, correct me if I am wrong here, but that would make whoever wins the winningest person in reality TV history. I don't think any single person has won a total of $2 million from reality shows before

From missy: [quote]Yes Parv did say she wouldnt do it over again either. They did not have anywhere near the bad weather the people on 19 had but they ******* - moaned - and whined about it a lot. I would just almost bet if The Evil One had to do it all over again he would have aligned himself with Amanda instead of Parvati. Do not read anything into that about her doing better than Parv - just sayin\' [/quote] Could mean 1 of 2 things: 1) Parvati complained the whole time 2) Parvati beat Russell in the jury votes and Amanda would have been an easier opponent since she never wins jury votes.