The Ruins: Kelly Anne Judd - MTV

[QUOTE=faceless;154938]I would like to ask how come Johanna is called Ho-hanna when KA has hooked up with more people then her? Is it just because people don't like Johanna?[/QUOTE] I was wondering the same thing. Johanna hooked up with Kenny and she was in a relationship with Wes and that's it, but freakin Kelly Anne screwed Adam, Wes, Dunbar, Cohutta, and probably plenty more. Johanna is alot hotter than Kelly Anne and Johanna hooked up with Kenny so people are just hatin on Johanna for those two reasons.

Kelly Anne was in a relationship with Cohutta and Wes. She had *** with Adam once. Did she ever have *** with Dunbar? I don't think so. Johanna had *** with Kenny and Wes. That looks all evened out to me.

[QUOTE=RMD1;154942]Kelly Anne was in a relationship with Cohutta and Wes. She had *** with Adam once. [B]Did she ever have *** with Dunbar? I don't think so.[/B] Johanna had *** with Kenny and Wes. That looks all evened out to me.[/QUOTE] You're right. I guess I shouldn't say he had *** with her, but what he did do was enough to label it as a "hook up" for sure. And I get the feeling that Kenny and a few other dudes may know some secrets on Kelly Anne too.

Everyone "hooks up" with everyone on the challenges. It's kinda sick. lol

Johanna is a JEK groupie. She just tags along and gets brought to the end of challenges on her ***-kissing. She's pathetic and has no athletic skill whatsoever. I would not be sorry at all to see her stop doing challenges. And yes, I did think she was incredibly hot when I first saw her but her personality has completely killed any attraction whatsoever. KellyAnne is a bit promiscuious as well, from what we've seen, but at least she backs up her hooking up by kicking *** in the athletic parts of the challenges. I would LOVE to see her go up against Johanna and destroy her. But it would be pretty hard to do that since Johanna avoids going into elmination rounds at all costs.

Does anybody know exactly who hooks up wtih who outside of the challenges and how you know? Because I always hear in these interviews that KellyAnne was such a **** but we don't see her skanking it up that much. And I'm sure Keny and Evan have hooked up wtih Real World people. Anybody know for sure?

[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;154955]Does anybody know exactly who hooks up wtih who outside of the challenges and how you know? Because I always hear in these interviews that KellyAnne was such a **** but we don't see her skanking it up that much. And I'm sure Keny and Evan have hooked up wtih Real World people. Anybody know for sure?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone knows for sure except the people who were there. Honestly I don't think it's any of our business. People will do what they want to do with who they want to do it with.

Well of course it's none of our business, but they're in the public eye. People are definately going to look into it and find something out. They brought it upon themselves. Just like it's none of our business if Brangelina is together or not.

[QUOTE=CharR;154950]Johanna is a JEK groupie. She just tags along and gets brought to the end of challenges on her ***-kissing. She's pathetic and has no athletic skill whatsoever. I would not be sorry at all to see her stop doing challenges. And yes, I did think she was incredibly hot when I first saw her but her personality has completely killed any attraction whatsoever. KellyAnne is a bit promiscuious as well, from what we've seen, but at least she backs up her hooking up by kicking *** in the athletic parts of the challenges. I would LOVE to see her go up against Johanna and destroy her. But it would be pretty hard to do that since Johanna avoids going into elmination rounds at all costs.[/QUOTE] You're kidding right? They both hook up/sleep with people but Johanna is Ho-hanna and KA is just KA because she is more athletic and isn't a part of JEK? Really? So KA can sleep with everyone who does challenges but it's all good and Johanna hooks up with 2 people and now she is a ho? I'm not saying I like either one more then the other, cause I don't like either, but to call someone a ho just because of her friends is dumb. AND being promiscuous and being athletic have NOTHING to do with each other. It's like if the skankiest girl on the show was horrible at the missions and magically she's amazing at the missions, does that make her less skanky?

Being skanky is a good way to win the GAME.

Johanna doesn't seem like a ho to me. Kelly Anne does though. Not just because of her hook ups and rumored but the way I've seen her talk and act. I don't see Johanna sending mass emails out to tell everyone Dunbar, well I'm not sure I can even say, but it was graphic. I think people only called Johanna Hoanna because she hooked up with Kenny. People hate anyone associated with J/E/K alliance, and so she hooks up with hot Kenny and is the alpha female of the group they hate, they just don't like her and want to call her a ho. If Johanna were an underdog, or the outcast then everyone would love her. And anyway, people hook up on these challenges all the time. Dunbar has hooked up with how many people?

[QUOTE=faceless;154970]You're kidding right? They both hook up/sleep with people but Johanna is Ho-hanna and KA is just KA because she is more athletic and isn't a part of JEK? Really? So KA can sleep with everyone who does challenges but it's all good and Johanna hooks up with 2 people and now she is a ho? I'm not saying I like either one more then the other, cause I don't like either, but to call someone a ho just because of her friends is dumb. AND being promiscuous and being athletic have NOTHING to do with each other. It's like if the skankiest girl on the show was horrible at the missions and magically she's amazing at the missions, does that make her less skanky?[/QUOTE] Uh, yah, I never called Johanna a ho. I said I don't like her. And I called her a groupie. I think they're probably both a bit ****** but who really knows. I was a bit ****** too when I was younger so frankly I don't really give a **** who they sleep with. I was saying why I don't like her. That has NOTHING to do with whether I think she's a ho.

[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;154955]Does anybody know exactly who hooks up wtih who outside of the challenges and how you know? Because I always hear in these interviews that KellyAnne was such a **** but we don't see her skanking it up that much. And I'm sure Keny and Evan have hooked up wtih Real World people. Anybody know for sure?[/QUOTE] They only show it on the episodes when it creates drama between the castmates, but certainly lots of them hook up on and off the show that we don't see or know about. Occassionaly it gets mentioned in reunion shows, or the cast members talk about it on the show. Put a bunch of ***** 20-somethings together, throw in a fridge full of alcohol and of course they're hooking up!

[QUOTE=CharR;154979]Uh, yah, I never called Johanna a ho. I said I don't like her. And I called her a groupie. I think they're probably both a bit ****** but who really knows. I was a bit ****** too when I was younger so frankly I don't really give a **** who they sleep with. I was saying why I don't like her. That has NOTHING to do with whether I think she's a ho.[/QUOTE] You may not have called Johanna a Ho but I was talking to everyone who does. And in comparison of Johanna vs Kelly Anne being ******, you said "KellyAnne is a bit promiscuious as well, from what we've seen, but at least she backs up her hooking up by kicking *** in the athletic parts of the challenges." And I asked how does performing well in missions have anything to do with being ******.

Perhaps one of the reasons for the disparity is that KA can hold her own physically on Challenges and does not require the "protection" of being in JEK's shadow to avoid elimination whereas Johanna does. For the record, I've never been really attracted to Johanna. I consider her to be too skinny but that may just be her body type. In addition, that move of threatening to sell the house out from under Wes did a really number on any respect I might have had for her.

[QUOTE=faceless;154981]You may not have called Johanna a Ho but I was talking to everyone who does. And in comparison of Johanna vs Kelly Anne being ******, you said "KellyAnne is a bit promiscuious as well, from what we've seen, but at least she backs up her hooking up by kicking *** in the athletic parts of the challenges." And I asked how does performing well in missions have anything to do with being ******.[/QUOTE] It doesn't. It has to do with why I like her. Both of them go on challenges and hook up. Probably more than we've seen or will ever know about. Kelly Anne goes on challenges and is also a physical powerhouse in the actual competition. Johanna goes on challenges and whines any time ANYONE dares to suggest she should go in an elimination challenge, and then runs to whoever's coattails she's riding and gets them to save her and vote in someone else instead. KA relishes going into the elimination challenges (with the exception of going up against her best friend) and goes into them and kicks ***. So, I have a lot more respect for her, even if she might be "sluttier" which I don't really know either way but don't really care either. I realize that makes some people not like her or respect her but for me I would never base my opinion on something like that, because in their place, at their age, I would have been doing the same thing. But like KA, I would have LOVED to go into the physical challenges and win. I would never have wanted to hide in the shadow of the men, and seek out protection from the more dominant players. You may not have been speaking to me, but you were quoting what I said. I think the point is, people are entitled to their own reasons as to why they like someone and not someone else. And sometimes when people don't like someone, for whatever reasons, they're going to call them a name like Ho-anna, or whatever it was, and you asked why people call her that and don't call Kelly-Anne some name, and you got your answer in that: they like KA and they don't like Johanna. And then I was offering a reason as to why people (or why I, and maybe why some other people) like KA, and don't like Johanna.

CharR, the definition of a ho is basically someone who sleeps around a lot. I understand people don't like Johanna but I don't get why someone would call her a ho but praise KA. Yes KA is stronger in missions but honestly, that has nothing to do with being loose. When you said "KellyAnne is a bit promiscuious as well, from what we've seen, but at least she backs up her hooking up by kicking *** in the athletic parts of the challenges." that basically means "KA may be ****** but it's ok because she kicks *** in missions." I'm sure that is how people took it. I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion about other people's personalities and appearance but be consistent. I don't like Wes and I think he is incredibly funny looking but that doesn't mean someone I like on the show isn't funny looking. Derrick is my favorite person but I'd have to say at times he is funny looking. I hate Johnny and like Katie but both of their voices bother the **** out of me. Consistence.

By "backs up her hooking up" I meant, that is not the reason she is cast for the shows. Or maybe, that's not the reason she's great to watch on the shows. Some people are there for the drama they cause. KellyAnne certainly brings a lot of that. But she is also athletic, and good at challenges. Johanna is there... well I'm not really sure why she's there. People think she's hot I guess. I did at one point. But I guess she also, sometimes creates a lot of drama, and gives them a "storyline" to film what with her hooking up with Kenny / dating Wes... But other than that, she's not there to be good at challenges. I know what a ho is, thanks, I did get through middle school. But derogatory nicknames don't always have to be related to anything. They're just to put someone down. So I imagine that the people calling her Hohanna are just doing that because they don't like her, they're picking on her and it's not necessary meant to insinuate that she's the sluttiest girl on the cast. It just, works with her name. Like, if you hated KellyAnne, it wouldn't really work to call her KellyS.l.u.t., even if you thought she is one, but maybe you could call her SmellyAnne or something. Because it works better with the name. (I don't really think anyone older than 8 would call someone SmellyAnne but, just trying to make a point about, it's not about her being a ho, it's just about calling her a name.) Anyway, this isn't really my debate since I've never called her Hohanna in my life other than to refer to other posts in this thread, all I did was offer my opinion about why people might not like her and why they like KA.

So many of the castmembers have hooked up with each other... on and off the show. KellyAnne happened to be called out, but trust me late night escapades at night or nights before reunions have occured. They showed the KellyAnne segment because it brough drama, plain and simple!

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;154102]I agree with you're post , except KA may be a little physical, but Susie and Kim were by far the most physical girls in the Ruins if you're talking about eliminations except for Evelyn who gave up so I'm not counting her, and I think both Susie and Kim proved it in the Ruins they went against each other in. [B]Kelly Anne couldn't have touched either of those girls in that kind of Ruin. What has Kelly Anne really done besides sit on sticks for 4 hours ? And Ev could have easily dominated KA in the Ruins, but Ev decided to quit. The only legit win KA has in an elimination is against Veronica. Pesonally, I would take girls like Susie, Kim, Jenn, Sarah, Kina, Svetlana, Rachel, Brittni, Ev, and girls like that over KA anyd[/B]ay.[/QUOTE] Sitting on sticks for 4 hours is apparently hard seeing as how RACHEL(great competitor) and ROBIN(good competitor) both couldn't do it. ****, Rachel was practically CRYING at the end of that elimination round because of how much pain she was in. That was an impressive win based on strictly physical attributes. Unlike other elimination rounds where mental can dominate physical with special strategies, this elimination round with the bamboo sticks was straight forward. You could either do it, or not. There was no "strategy" to this, so in other words, it was 100% based on physical ability, endurance and ability to withstand pain. And KA would've destroyed Susie in the Ruins that she and Kim were involved in. Susie, Ibis, and Johanna all said that it was **** trying to drag Kellyanne across the sand in the Pole Dance competition. If Susie + Ibis + Johanna, all three together, can't even move KA across the sand, what makes you think that Susie alone would've pulled that rope out of KA's arms? Kim admits that Kellyanne is a better competitor than her and Kim doesn't even like her. While Ev clearly dominated KA in their ruin, it should also be noted that KA did win the first round fair and square by pulling Ev down. A feat that not many chicks can accomplish.

[QUOTE=ahappycamper;155264]Sitting on sticks for 4 hours is apparently hard seeing as how RACHEL(great competitor) and ROBIN(good competitor) both couldn't do it. ****, Rachel was practically CRYING at the end of that elimination round because of how much pain she was in. That was an impressive win based on strictly physical attributes. Unlike other elimination rounds where mental can dominate physical with special strategies, this elimination round with the bamboo sticks was straight forward. You could either do it, or not. There was no "strategy" to this, so in other words, it was 100% based on physical ability, endurance and ability to withstand pain. And KA would've destroyed Susie in the Ruins that she and Kim were involved in. Susie, Ibis, and Johanna all said that it was **** trying to drag Kellyanne across the sand in the Pole Dance competition. If Susie + Ibis + Johanna, all three together, can't even move KA across the sand, what makes you think that Susie alone would've pulled that rope out of KA's arms? Kim admits that Kellyanne is a better competitor than her and Kim doesn't even like her. While Ev clearly dominated KA in their ruin, it should also be noted that KA did win the first round fair and square by pulling Ev down. A feat that not many chicks can accomplish.[/QUOTE] I'm still not sold, sorry. Nice try though.

You people take stuff way too seriously. Johanna is Ho-hanna because she prostitutes herself to get ahead in these challenges. Remember what Robin said on the Island? "You're going to **** your way to the ******' end?" Ho-hanna wanted to sleep with Kenny in hopes that she would earn a key from the JEK alliance. In the ruins, she had to go in because she was forced to by Susie. if not, she would have relied on JEK to get to the end.

[QUOTE=bernielomax;155406]You people take stuff way too seriously. Johanna is Ho-hanna because she prostitutes herself to get ahead in these challenges. Remember what Robin said on the Island? "You're going to **** your way to the ******' end?" Ho-hanna wanted to sleep with Kenny in hopes that she would earn a key from the JEK alliance. In the ruins, she had to go in because she was forced to by Susie. if not, she would have relied on JEK to get to the end.[/QUOTE] Now I have never said calling Johanna Hohanna was wrong but I said that if you're gonna call Johanna Hohanna then come up with a name like that for KA. And as for KA being a great competitor, I do think that she is strong and one of the strongest girls to have recently come onto the challenges. But like with every other 1v1 scenarios, it is hard to say exactly who is going to win because of luck, dqs, and the person's personal skills. While KA sat on 2 sticks longer then Rachel and Robin (who by the way is not a good competitor) I would have to say Rachel could possibly beat KA in some other physical competitions if they were to wrestle or something. It's like did we all think Brad was going to win against CT and Landon? No but he did, because of dq and luck. Did we all think Derrick was going to be able to lift a heavy Syrus? No, but he did win because of his personal skill, wrestling.

[QUOTE=faceless;155411]Now I have never said calling Johanna Hohanna was wrong but I said that if you're gonna call Johanna Hohanna then come up with a name like that for KA. And as for KA being a great competitor, I do think that she is strong and one of the strongest girls to have recently come onto the challenges. But like with every other 1v1 scenarios, it is hard to say exactly who is going to win because of luck, dqs, and the person's personal skills. While KA sat on 2 sticks longer then Rachel and Robin (who by the way is not a good competitor) I would have to say Rachel could possibly beat KA in some other physical competitions if they were to wrestle or something. It's like did we all think Brad was going to win against CT and Landon? No but he did, because of dq and luck. Did we all think Derrick was going to be able to lift a heavy Syrus? No, but he did win because of his personal skill, wrestling.[/QUOTE] Now this I agree 100% with.

Didn't Kenny call KellyAnne a Lion-****?

[QUOTE=faceless;155411]Now I have never said calling Johanna Hohanna was wrong but I said that if you're gonna call Johanna Hohanna then come up with a name like that for KA. And as for KA being a great competitor, I do think that she is strong and one of the strongest girls to have recently come onto the challenges. But like with every other 1v1 scenarios, it is hard to say exactly who is going to win because of luck, dqs, and the person's personal skills. While KA sat on 2 sticks longer then Rachel and Robin (who by the way is not a good competitor) I would have to say Rachel could possibly beat KA in some other physical competitions if they were to wrestle or something. It's like did we all think Brad was going to win against CT and Landon? No but he did, because of dq and luck. Did we all think Derrick was going to be able to lift a heavy Syrus? No, but he did win because of his personal skill, wrestling.[/QUOTE] Robin is a decent competitor. Rachel herself said that she's a good competitor and Rachel is the one who knows what goes on in the challenges so she is to be believed. The duel with Brad and CT was OBVIOUSLY CT's. That was a DQ, completely different ball park and field from actually winning an elimination. Again, going back to what I said, the Brad's beating Landon entailed a ruin that had room for STRATEGY, which he utilized(hitting the ring and delaying time). Sitting on sticks does NOT involve strategy, therefore, weaker players with no physical endurance don't have any leeway to "win". You either have the endurance or you don't. Pure and simple. It was neither a "lucked out" win like Svetlana vs Beth nor a "smart win" like Diem vs Jen which makes it all the MORE impressive since it was won by athleticism and that's it.

Going back to my points, Again, if sitting on bamboo sticks for 4 hours is easy, then why was Rachel practically crying at the end of that elimination? If it was easy then why couldn't Rachel and Robin do it? My second question is, if KA couldn't "touch Susie and Kim" in that ruin, why does Kim admit that KellyAnne is a better competitor than her? My third question is, if KA couldn't "touch Susie and Kim" in that ruin, then why did Susie + Kim + Johanna, all together, have so much trouble dragging KA across the sand? I mean, if Susie plus her two partners had trouble with that, what makes you think Susie alone could've thrown her around with a rope? I mean, there's obviously a reason that Susie was so scared to go up against KA right?

[QUOTE=ahappycamper;155527] Going back to my points, Again, if sitting on bamboo sticks for 4 hours is easy, then why was Rachel practically crying at the end of that elimination? If it was easy then why couldn't Rachel and Robin do it? My second question is, if KA couldn't "touch Susie and Kim" in that ruin, why does Kim admit that KellyAnne is a better competitor than her? My third question is, if KA couldn't "touch Susie and Kim" in that ruin, then why did Susie + Kim + Johanna, all together, have so much trouble dragging KA across the sand? I mean, if Susie plus her two partners had trouble with that, what makes you think Susie alone could've done it? I mean, there's obviously a reason that Susie was so scared to go up against KA right?[/QUOTE] I'm going to answer your questions. I don't think Kelly Anne matches up well with Susie or Kim in that particular Ruin, that's just my opinion TIFWIW. And please tell me, where did I ever say that sitting on sticks was easy? But since you say that I did, I've seen plenty of challenges/elimination games that were much harder than sitting on sticks, let's just say that. And the 3rd question, just because Kelly Anne put up a good fight against Susie, Kim, and Johanna in a mission doesn't mean she can't be beat in a one on one elimination round. The Ruin I saw between Susie and Kim looked like two women possessed that I don't think Kelly Anne would be ready for especially against Susie. And let's not forget Susie won how many Ruins? Susie is undefeated in elimination rounds overall too. I don't think Kelly Anne is bad in fact she's pretty good, I just think she is a little overrated. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[QUOTE]But since you say that I did, I've seen plenty of challenges/elimination games that were much harder than sitting on sticks, let's just say that.[/quote] It doesn't matter how "hard" the game was because both Rachel and Robin were playing the exact same game. It's not as if KA had to sit on sticks while Rachel and Robin had to sit on spikes. They were ALL sitting on sticks. They all had the same difficulty level. The difficulty level of that game was relative to the players involved. Obviously it would've been an easy game had KA been competing against Casey and Shauvon, but she was not. The task was to BEAT THE OTHER PLAYERS, the other players being Rachel(great competitor) and Robin(good competitor straight from Rachel's mouth). Rachel was practically crying at the end of that elimination, she said that she was using "every single muscle" to hold herself up. The game is only as "hard" as the players involved. [quote]And the 3rd question, just because Kelly Anne put up a good fight against Susie, Kim, and Johanna in a mission doesn't mean she can't be beat in a one on one elimination round. The Ruin I saw between Susie and Kim looked like two women possessed that I don't think Kelly Anne would be ready for especially against Susie.[/quote] It wasn't just a mission chosen out of the random. It was a mission that was very similar to that particular Ruins. Both involve having lots of strength and having the ability to overpower the opponents so it makes complete sense that if Susie AND her two partners Ibis and Johanna(all these chicks probably weigh MORE than KA) had trouble overpowering KA by herself, then Susie by herself with a rope would probably fare even worse. [quote]And let's not forget Susie won how many Ruins? Susie is undefeated in elimination rounds overall too.[/quote] Well that's impressive that Susie is undefeated but it's not VERY impressive when you look at the people she's battled and the games and circumstances that were involved. She has beaten, Casey Angel Kim Bri and Jenn One of those wins were close calls(Bri). Two of those wins had to do with overpowering some smaller 80lb chick(Kim and Angel). One of those wins is similar to Syrus vs Cohutta in the sense that a freak out possibly made the opponent lose. Jenn had her hook and ring stuck for a very long time. If you disregard the ring/hook that Jenn got stuck on, you will see that her average per ring is actually FASTER than Susie's average per ring. Neither of those are really impressive wins. On the other hand, Rachel Veronica Robin Two of those wins(Rachel and Robin) had no room for fluke, no excuses, no one had the advantage, no strategy involved, therefore it was purely physical. One of those wins was a landslide. KA hit her gong before Veronica even got to the platform. KA's track record has definitely been more impressive. Susie even says so herself.

+ look at the final of the Ruins - while Sarah and KA were rushing like ***holes, Susie was absolutely exhausted. I gotta agree KA is stronger, but Susie is probably smarter (if i'm not mistaken she completed the final puzzle)