kdub, you sound like a broken record. We get it. You aren't happy with JEK. Seriously, are you trying to get everyone to agree with you? Because that's never going to happen.
Uh, one thing though as far as your 'True Competitor' spiel goes. Didnt Darrell in Gauntlet 1 and Inferno 1 fully help twist situations so he never had to go in? Inferno 2 also?
As far as im concerned, the JEK alliance works well because they do manuver people into playing in their place. I mean im pretty sure one of the best ways to get to the end in any sort of challenge show is to avoid the firing line by any means.
I just watched episode 8 of the Ruins and no one wanted to go up against Dunbar. Johnny desperately tried to trick Kenny into going. And Derrick ordered Johnny to "Man up". What a bunch of cowards. haha. let's give ur "so-called champs" a hand.
[QUOTE=kdub90;200311]Yep! I hate JKE all on 1 challenge cuz they don't go in an elimination round and fight and give blood, sweat, and tears. And about them nominating only two of JEKD and/or Wes every time just so they could have the majority vote. I took note of that. It was a smart strategy. I just thought they would be fair to Darell and Syrus. But heck, it's alot of money on the line. I guess money talks. Fabolous, I thought I was the only one that saw how shady and sneaky JEKD are when they all get together on a challenge. [B]Guees not. They only look out for each other, and whoever they are (bleep)ing. haha[/B][/QUOTE]
Evan didn't save Veronica and they were (bleep)ing.
[QUOTE=kdub90;200352]I just watched episode 8 of the Ruins and no one wanted to go up against Dunbar. Johnny desperately tried to trick Kenny into going. And Derrick ordered Johnny to "Man up". What a bunch of cowards. haha. let's give ur [B]"so-called champs"[/B] a hand.[/QUOTE]
They won, so therefore are still champions. Not "so-called champions". In it to win it is probably their motto, no matter what the cost.
[QUOTE=kdub90;200352]I just watched episode 8 of the Ruins and no one wanted to go up against Dunbar. Johnny desperately tried to trick Kenny into going. And Derrick ordered Johnny to "Man up". What a bunch of cowards. haha. let's give ur "so-called champs" a hand.[/QUOTE]
I see nothing wrong with that. Who would want to risk a large sum of money by going in and losing on the last elimination? No one. They are playing a game. If they can avoid going into an elimination round the entire time then why not? There are no rules against it. Given the oppourtunity I'm sure that anyone in these games would avoid going in if they could. If there were more guys on the Challengers team Dunbar would have been doing the same thing, trying to get anyone to go in rather than himself. The only reason you're complaining about it is because its Johnny, Kenny, and Evan. They've won multiple times, they are champions, and whatever they're doing is working for them.
I remember that Derrick posted in his Twitter that MTV didn't air the part when he and Kenny told Johnny that he has to go in because on The Island, they convinced Evelyn not to take Johnny's key.
Look at this: This is from derrick's twitter
Next question...Why would Johnny go in and not me....? [URL="http://twitter.com/DerrickRwRr/status/5903145712"]5:59 PM Nov 20th, 2009[/URL] vía web
Interesting answers,what they didnt show was that me and Kenny felt like Johnny should go in after we helped him.... [URL="http://twitter.com/DerrickRwRr/status/5904915991"]7:11 PM Nov 20th, 2009[/URL] vía web
...not lose his key on the Island...I feel like this is RW/RR Trivial Pursuit. [URL="http://twitter.com/DerrickRwRr/status/5904958492"]7:13 PM Nov 20th, 2009[/URL] vía web
Think about how different these challenges would shake down if MTV actually bent them to favor the players who are good physical competitors rather than manipulators. Since the series is more than likely on its last leg, every challenge from here on out should be purely individual and based on actual competition, not being manipulative and treacherous. It's no fun to watch challenge after challenge when all the weak players are the ones going into elimination rounds for the most part.
I actually enjoy watching the best competitors compete with one another. Sadly, most people seem to only care about the "drama" aspect of these shows. The challenges have much more potential than most of them bring out. I would love to see a challenge similar to the duels with the exceptions being that none of the men/women ever partner up for a mission. Also, It would be light a fire under everyone's *** and force them to compete in each mission if the lowest 2 guys/girls from every mission were automatically placed in the duel. This would abolish all alliances and no one would be able to help anyone else out or pick on someone over and over. Only the strongest and best competitors would make it to the end.
Do that and pick a strong cast of players and you would have the best challenge yet. You don't need backstabbing and shadiness to bring drama. When you have that many alpha males competing against each other, the drama in who is going to when a duel is enough in itself. This my friends, would be awesome.
[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;200361]Evan didn't save Veronica and they were (bleep)ing.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but JEK didn't protect Veronica. They tried to get rid of her and Ibis and prolly Evelyn, too.
[QUOTE=cjslife;200365]I see nothing wrong with that. Who would want to risk a large sum of money by going in and losing on the last elimination? No one. They are playing a game. If they can avoid going into an elimination round the entire time then why not? There are no rules against it. Given the oppourtunity I'm sure that anyone in these games would avoid going in if they could. If there were more guys on the Challengers team Dunbar would have been doing the same thing, trying to get anyone to go in rather than himself. The only reason you're complaining about it is because its Johnny, Kenny, and Evan. They've won multiple times, they are champions, and whatever they're doing is working for them.[/QUOTE]
You know what? I serously doubt Dunbar would have pulled that.Just like all the girls rotated being nominated the guys would have done the same thing, and not tryed to change that.Throughout the challenge they played as a team. Casey was the only problem. She was weak and selfish." She said:"If I had to choose between me and myself. I'm gonna pick you." She knew if she went in she would lose 100%. So she was selfish. I remember after Kim's or Casey's Ruins, Kellyanne ASKED Sarah if she wanted to go against Susie? They worked together. They weren't selfish like the Champions. The champions were completed seperated. It was Wes vs. Darell vs. Syrus vs. JEK. But make no mistake. The champions worked together and they fought hard. As a team, they just couldn't pull out a win. They were only as strong as their weak, seflish link(*cough* CASEY*cough*).
[QUOTE=Goo Punch;200408]Think about how different these challenges would shake down if MTV actually bent them to favor the players who are good physical competitors rather than manipulators. Since the series is more than likely on its last leg, every challenge from here on out should be purely individual and based on actual competition, not being manipulative and treacherous. It's no fun to watch challenge after challenge when all the weak players are the ones going into elimination rounds for the most part.
I actually enjoy watching the best competitors compete with one another. Sadly, most people seem to only care about the "drama" aspect of these shows. The challenges have much more potential than most of them bring out. I would love to see a challenge similar to the duels with the exceptions being that none of the men/women ever partner up for a mission. Also, It would be light a fire under everyone's *** and force them to compete in each mission if the lowest 2 guys/girls from every mission were automatically placed in the duel. This would abolish all alliances and no one would be able to help anyone else out or pick on someone over and over. Only the strongest and best competitors would make it to the end.
Do that and pick a strong cast of players and you would have the best challenge yet. You don't need backstabbing and shadiness to bring drama. When you have that many alpha males competing against each other, the drama in who is going to when a duel is enough in itself. This my friends, would be awesome.[/QUOTE]
As long as JEK are on the challenge, it seems like they will always be shady. I bet JEKD would turn on each other in a heartbeat, if it came down to it.Well, except for Evan and Kenny. I don't think they would ever betray each other. They are secret lovers. lol haha kidding.
[QUOTE=Bolt8;141983]I find Evan to be by far the most repulsive person in the history of the challenges. He is so fake and I'm glad this has been called out by Katie and Coral, and I hope it's brought up again at the reunion. Kenny is a jerk to people's face and behind their back. Evan plays all sides, makes fun of everyone, and then kisses their butt when they get upset with him. And he's hardley the **** he thinks he is. I'm sick of him saying "It's a new generation of people". As a long time challenge watcher Coral and Veronica in my opinion own these challenges and were actual members of the show. I can't believe the "new generation" of MTV watchers actually like these tools.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Kenny and Evan realize that they are "Fresh Meat". They're not "real-worlders" or "roadies".They were never chosen to be on The Real World or Road Rules.
MTV needed new faces. So really they were chosen as extras. Kenny and Evan aren't better than the best roadies and the best real-worlders. Example:RW-Alton, Landon, Wes, and CT;RR: Darell, Timmy, Abram, Mark. Fresh Meat group also includes Eric, Ryan(Casey, just for the record). Just so they know, Fresh Meaters aren't the best. They can get rid of their cocky attitudes, because they're the eXtras. I hope they don't forget that.
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[QUOTE=kdub90;200469]I don't think Kenny and Evan realize that they are "Fresh Meat". They're not "real-worlders" or "roadies".They were never chosen to be on The Real World or Road Rules.
MTV needed new faces. So really they were chosen as extras. Kenny and Evan aren't better than the best roadies and the best real-worlders. Example:RW-Alton, Landon, Wes, and CT;RR: Darell, Timmy, Abram, Mark. Fresh Meat group also includes Eric, Ryan(Casey, just for the record). Just so they know, Fresh Meaters aren't the best. They can get rid of their cocky attitudes, because they're the eXtras. I hope they don't forget that.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they know they weren't originally on The Real World or Road Rules, that's why their original season was called Fresh Meat. Some people only know those faces from Fresh Meat because they haven't watched any before then. This doesn't make them extras, they were just trying to appeal to a different audience and from what I understand many people LOVE them. Their records prove that they are some of the best, but you don't have to think that.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;200473]I'm sure they know they weren't originally on The Real World or Road Rules, that's why their original season was called Fresh Meat. Some people only know those faces from Fresh Meat because they haven't watched any before then. This doesn't make them extras, they were just trying to appeal to a different audience and from what I understand many people LOVE them. Their records prove that they are some of the best, but you don't have to think that.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to start an argument. I'm just sayin: they think they are 'ALL THAT'. They aren't. If Real Worlders and Roadies would have kept competing, we can't say there would've been a fresh meat. They have more than enough RW and RR alumni. And I sorta like them. I can tolerate them. It's when thay're all on one challenge; that's what is annoying to me. They think they're big and bad, when they aren't. I like the energy and the 'funny' that they bring. I think its great. It's the cocky attitude they have that I don't like. It's not like they 'pull a Wes'(go into alot of elimination rounds and win the final without any help/Duel 1), on their challenge. All they do is slide by to the end. Except for Evan on Duel 2. It just sucks that their egos need readjusting. And they're fresh meat; they're extras. The older meat was starting to go bad.
One more thing: If it wasn't for them, our faveorite real worlders and roadies that we have come to love and come to hate would be winning these challenges. They would actually be in them. I'd trade K and E for a chance to see castmates that have never done a challenge.(Stephen, Hosea, Scott, Ryan, Bronne, Monte, Knight, Eric, Mike (DC). Who knows? Brad might have won Duel 2, if there was no Evan.
All I'm saying is I can do without them, or at least put on only 1 at a time.
Oh, yeah, and I miss Gauntlet 2 and Duel Derrick...THE END :blush:
[QUOTE=kdub90;200478]It's when thay're all on one challenge; that's what is annoying to me. They think they're big and bad, when they aren't. I like the energy and the 'funny' that they bring. I think its great. It's the cocky attitude they have that I don't like. It's not like they 'pull a Wes'(go into alot of elimination rounds and win the final without any help/Duel 1), on their challenge. All they do is slide by to the end. Except for Evan on Duel 2. It just sucks that their egos need readjusting. And they're fresh meat; they're extras. The older meat was starting to go bad.
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The Ruins is actually the only challenge that all three of them have been on all the episodes. Johnny was the first one out on the Duel and the third one out on Gauntlet 3. I'm not trying to argue, I know they are cocky. I just think they have a reason to be cocky and this season proves it. They were on the Champions team and they were winning. I personally think all the Champions this season were cocky. JEK had the numbers each time to vote their way and yeah it helped them slide to the end, but only on this season. I just don't think you should call them "extras." They dont' deserve that title.
By the way, Wes only went into 1 elimination round during the Duel 1.
Isn't it funny knowing how hard castmembers try to win a challenge by competing in so many seasons when there are castmates that get it in one or two.
[COLOR=blue]Real World: Austin[/COLOR]
Danny competed in 5 seasons and [B]haven't won one.[/B]
Nehemiah competed in 3 seasons and [B]won one[/B] in Gauntlet 3 (his second challenge).
[COLOR=blue]Real World: Key West[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Paula competed is going on her 7th season and [B]haven't won one.[/B][/COLOR]
Janelle competed in only 2 seasons and [B]won one[/B] in the Inferno 3 (her first challenge).
[COLOR=blue]Real World: San Diego[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Robin competed in 7 seasons and [B]haven't won one[/B].[/COLOR]
Jamie competed in only one season and [B]won one[/B] in the Inferno 2 (her only challenge).
Whats also funny is that the ones who haven't won are considered better than their Real World castmate that did win.
[B]Seasons that obviously have good challengers but haven't won.[/B]
They go to:
[COLOR=blue][B]Real World: Paris [/B][/COLOR]= C.T,Ace,Adam (competed in 15 challenges together)
[COLOR=blue][B]Real World: San Diego[/B][/COLOR] = Brad,Robin (competed in 14 challenges together, going on 15)
[QUOTE=fabulous788;200479]The Ruins is actually the only challenge that all three of them have been on all the episodes. Johnny was the first one out on the Duel and the third one out on Gauntlet 3. I'm not trying to argue, I know they are cocky. I just think they have a reason to be cocky and this season proves it. They were on the Champions team and they were winning. I personally think all the Champions this season were cocky. JEK had the numbers each time to vote their way and yeah it helped them slide to the end, but only on this season. I just don't think you should call them "extras." They dont' deserve that title.
By the way, Wes only went into 1 elimination round during the Duel 1.[/QUOTE]
Um yes they do deserve that title. Evan, Kenny(and the rest of the fresh meat) are little else but extras. people who were brought in just to take up space on these challenges and no amount of challenge wins, or how much other castmembers allow them to run the game is gonna change that.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;200519]Um yes they do deserve that title. Evan, Kenny(and the rest of the fresh meat) are little else but extras. people who were brought in just to take up space on these challenges and no amount of challenge wins, or how much other castmembers allow them to run the game is gonna change that.[/QUOTE]
EXTRA (noun)
The noun EXTRA has 3 senses:
[I]
1. a minor actor in crowd scenes[/I]
Funny, I don't see Evan or Kenny fitting that definition. I think people need to get over the mentality that "Fresh Meat kids don't count" just because they "don't have an original season". Fresh Meat aired over four years ago, It's time to move on. They're just as much of a cast member as any Real Worlder or Road Ruler. They compete and win challenges just like everyone else. It's also called "The Challenge" for a reason now, It's not all about the Real World or Road Rules cast members.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;200524]EXTRA (noun)
The noun EXTRA has 3 senses:
[I]
1. a minor actor in crowd scenes[/I]
Funny, I don't see Evan or Kenny fitting that definition. I think people need to get over the mentality that "Fresh Meat kids don't count" just because they "don't have an original season". Fresh Meat aired over four years ago, It's time to move on. They're just as much of a cast member as any Real Worlder or Road Ruler. They compete and win challenges just like everyone else. It's also called "The Challenge" for a reason now, It's not all about the Real World or Road Rules cast members.[/QUOTE]
I will never count them as real castmembers not now and not ever. I don't care how much time has passed. To me the challenges are always going to be about the real world/road rules castmembers. not some random people who were never relevant to this franchise to begin with.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;200550]I will never count them as real castmembers not now and not ever. I don't care how much time has passed. To me the challenges are always going to be about the real world/road rules castmembers. not some random people who were never relevant to this franchise to begin with.[/QUOTE]
How can you not count them as Castmembers.
They are still part of the show. They are [B]FRESH MEAT [/B]for a reason.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;200479]The Ruins is actually the only challenge that all three of them have been on all the episodes. Johnny was the first one out on the Duel and the third one out on Gauntlet 3. I'm not trying to argue, I know they are cocky. I just think they have a reason to be cocky and this season proves it. They were on the Champions team and they were winning. I personally think all the Champions this season were cocky. JEK had the numbers each time to vote their way and yeah it helped them slide to the end, but only on this season. I just don't think you should call them "extras." They dont' deserve that title.
By the way, Wes only went into 1 elimination round during the Duel 1.[/QUOTE]
I meant to include Fresh Meat when he got sent into Exile 5 times and made it to the final, without any help , and won the Duel 1 all by himself.He didn't have the aid of an alliance. Do you really think they would have won as many as they did if they didn't have Casey on the challengers' team? Seriously? They deserve the title "extra" cuz they're not from an original season of real world or road rules. we knew nothing at all about these people. They just popped up outta nowhere. And all they had was numbers. How hard was it to say: Ok, fine. everyone will go in once." I can understand them not wanting anyone to face Casy, becuz she sucked. But, why couldn't they all go in.It seems like since they can't win on their own, they'll just win as a group. And now they turned Derrick into a follower. How do you like that? Derrick used to be a fighter, whon stood up for what he believed in. Now, he goes with the flows, and bends over for Johnny and Evan like they are Kings. The Champions' team was fighting against each other. They had an alliance within their TEAM! That's crazy. That's not a team. And they are extras. No matter if they're entertaining or not. They debuted on a challenge paired with alumni. They were'nt alumni. Just sayin. They should know their role. They're prolly the reason why they tried a Fresh Meat 2. To get random people we don't know. They're all extras.
What's the difference between them picking the fresh meat, and grabbing random people off the street. Nothing except they are chosen and maybe interviewed in some way. Fresh Meaters can be entertaining but they are "X-Tras".
[QUOTE=kdub90;200655]What's the difference between them picking the fresh meat, and grabbing random people off the street. Nothing except they are chosen and maybe interviewed in some way. Fresh Meaters can be entertaining but they are "X-Tras".[/QUOTE]
A majority of the people on FM actually made it quite far in the RW casting process (as has been said many, many times already). They weren't just "grabbed off the street".
[QUOTE=molds13;200658]A majority of the people on FM actually made it quite far in the RW casting process (as has been said many, many times already). They weren't just "grabbed off the street".[/QUOTE]
Almost doesn't count, kiddo. Just like the Challengers ALMOST beat the Champions
I wouldn't have wanted to see Kenny or Evan on the real world. I hope it was RR they almost got cast on. lol
[QUOTE=kdub90;200664]Almost doesn't count, kiddo. Just like the Challengers ALMOST beat the Champions
I wouldn't have wanted to see Kenny or Evan on the real world. I hope it was RR they almost got cast on. lol[/QUOTE]
1. Don't ever call me kiddo again. I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.
2. Nowhere in my post did I mention "almost". You asked the difference between the FMers and people picked off the street; I responded that they made it quite far in the casting process and therefore were not picked off the street.
3. This has also been answered (quite a few times), but Kenny was supposed to be on RW Austin. I don't know about Evan.
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