The Challenge: Cut Throat - Ratings

Thats just sick dude, being happy cause a guys injury could get a tv show ratings?

[QUOTE=Entropy;215927]Thats just sick dude, being happy cause a guys injury could get a tv show ratings?[/QUOTE] Reading comprehension FTL. He said it is what it is - no happiness expressed. People just don't know what good TV is. :Looks at numbers for high rated shows. :Looks at numbers for Cut Throat. /sigh

I'll start by saying that I have zero knowledge about tv ratings, and not to say that ratings aren't important to MTV because obviously they are a huge factor in a show being on the air. But I don't think that they need as big of numbers as we may think. If they were relying solely on the television viewership then they probably wouldn't be putting the episodes online the day after it airs as it just gives people an excuse to wait and watch it whenever they want. I know they do it for all the shows but it's something to take into consideration.

[QUOTE=Lindsey;215932]I'll start by saying that I have zero knowledge about tv ratings, and not to say that ratings aren't important to MTV because obviously they are a huge factor in a show being on the air. But I don't think that they need as big of numbers as we may think. If they were relying solely on the television viewership then they probably wouldn't be putting the episodes online the day after it airs as it just gives people an excuse to wait and watch it whenever they want. I know they do it for all the shows but it's something to take into consideration.[/QUOTE] A year ago online viewers didn't matter at all, now they barely matter, but soon they might matter a ton. Nielsen FINALLY introduced an online viewing component into their C3 ratings, which are the ones that set ad rates nowadays*. However, to count in these ratings, you have to air the exact same commercial load as the TV broadcast, meaning the show takes something like 56 minutes to view online instead of 47 like it used to be (locally aired ads are still skipped). I haven't watched this season online, so I don't know if MTV is doing this or not. If so, it would add about 10% to the ratings. Last year The Challenge did have far more online viewers than many MTV shows that were beating it on TV, I'd have to check whether that's still the case. Ultimately, the online viewership number is still pretty darn tiny compared to the TV viewership number. *For those who care, the ratings we see are called Overnight Final ratings, and are useful for selling empty spots in next weeks show, but are ultimately incomplete. C3 is also incomplete but is far more complete than the Overnight Finals as among other things it includes 67 more hours of DVR viewing and now includes certain online viewings within 72 hours.

For what its worth, its still getting more viewers than The Life and Times of RJ Berger, which was renewed (inexplicably, in my opinion, but I'll never argue against more chances to see Amber Lancaster).

[QUOTE]A year ago online viewers didn't matter at all, now they barely matter, but soon they might matter a ton. Nielsen FINALLY introduced an online viewing component into their C3 ratings, which are the ones that set ad rates nowadays*. However, to count in these ratings, you have to air the exact same commercial load as the TV broadcast, meaning the show takes something like 56 minutes to view online instead of 47 like it used to be (locally aired ads are still skipped). I haven't watched this season online, so I don't know if MTV is doing this or not. If so, it would add about 10% to the ratings. Last year The Challenge did have far more online viewers than many MTV shows that were beating it on TV, I'd have to check whether that's still the case.[/QUOTE] I have no cable so I see the show online the day after, and they have 0 ads online.

[QUOTE=Entropy;215983]I have no cable so I see the show online the day after, and they have 0 ads online.[/QUOTE] Then to find out what percentage of MTVs renewal decision will be based on online viewing, take the number of ads seen by Entropy and multiply it by any number of your choosing.

I think that the transition to online audience will drive the decision to keep a lot of low performing shows on the air.

I'm pretty sure the Inferno 3 got worse ratings than this. and that still got renewed...

[QUOTE=Entropy;215983]I have no cable so I see the show online the day after, and they have 0 ads online.[/QUOTE] When I watch The Challenge online I always have a 30 sec commercial in between segments. [QUOTE=David079;215997]I'm pretty sure the Inferno 3 got worse ratings than this. and that still got renewed...[/QUOTE] Yeah, but I think they had a set amount of seasons in their contract and the ratings from the Gauntlet 3 is what had the series renewed. It's almost funny because when you think about it, 1 million people in America sit down and watch Cutthroat on Wednesday nights when the episode debuts and it's almost throws me how that isn't good enough in the industries eyes. Idk maybe I'm lost but 1 million people is a lot to me. Most recording artist can't even sell 1 million copies of their trash in the first week. Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm lost.

1 million compared to the god knows how many hundred millions live in the US is how they compare it too. I do think the time slot has to have some effect, when it used to be on Monday Nights back in the old days it didnt so bad, and Wednesdays are a pretty heavy tv night.

[QUOTE=Entropy;216056]1 million compared to the god knows how many hundred millions live in the US is how they compare it too. I do think the time slot has to have some effect, when it used to be on Monday Nights back in the old days it didnt so bad, and Wednesdays are a pretty heavy tv night.[/QUOTE]How bout its getting old and people just don't watch... =S

True but its better than some of the other **** on MTV to be honest.

Wednesday at 10 is a hard spot to be in. I know I watch Law and Order LA at 10 and then I just catch the repeat of Cutthroat at 11

[QUOTE=Xeri99;215928]... People just don't know what good TV is...[/QUOTE] Or, just maybe they do know good TV, and the ratings are an accurate reflection of "good" to the 260,955,567 people over 15 who didn't watch. [SIZE="1"] (#s based on 2009 US Census data, w/15% of the 2009 population age 15 or younger). [/SIZE] Sadly, the challenges are aging, and the characters portrayed are almost always predictable now. There was a time when people watched because the competitions were interesting and the drama was eagerly anticipated. Now, we largely know what to expect in terms of bad editing, excessive alcohol availability, shoddy pre-production, and drama that apparently must be enhanced by cutting video out of sequence. At one time, BMP and MTV set the standard for reality TV. Today, well, they just consistently disappoint. Tick tock....

Man I hope the ratings pick up and we get another challenge ordered. Normally, wouldn't they be filming the next challenge by now?

This questions is geared towards those in the know like Bacchus, Molds,V1..how does BMP actually feel towards what could be the impending cancellation of both shows? Do they want to move on from Real World or do they still want to keep working on both Challenge and Real World? I ask because the last season and upcoming season they are re-using old places which would beg the question to see if they are actually trying but on the other hand with Cutthroat they are trying a new format which can be used to argue that they are trying something.

[QUOTE=David079;216176]Man I hope the ratings pick up and we get another challenge ordered. Normally, wouldn't they be filming the next challenge by now?[/QUOTE] Yes, but they rearranged their filming schedules for some reason and they're still filming the next Real World. Either way, there is a contract for one more challenge. Now MTV could buy the contract out if they really wanted to get rid of it, while that seems exceedingly unlikely, it wouldn't be unprecedented. A more likely change would be that the show gets bumped to a burn off time like Monday or Friday, however most likely Challenge 21 airs Wednesdays at 10, the same as Challenge 20* *for the record I have NO insider knowledge of this specific instance, this is based off of trends I saw and the types of things people used to tell me during my time buying ads, which I haven't done in nearly 3 years and haven't done on MTV in God knows how long.

Challenge 21 has been greenlit, a location has been set and production dates have been decided, so there will definitely be at least one more challenge after Cutthroat. As for the future, I have heard that it could go either way. I was told someone at MTV stated that, "there is a chance the challenges could be going away".

[QUOTE=CastAStone;216217]Yes, but they rearranged their filming schedules for some reason and they're still filming the next Real World. Either way, there is a contract for one more challenge. Now MTV could buy the contract out if they really wanted to get rid of it, while that seems exceedingly unlikely, it wouldn't be unprecedented. A more likely change would be that the show gets bumped to a burn off time like Monday or Friday, however most likely Challenge 21 airs Wednesdays at 10, the same as Challenge 20* *for the record I have NO insider knowledge of this specific instance, this is based off of trends I saw and the types of things people used to tell me during my time buying ads, which I haven't done in nearly 3 years and haven't done on MTV in God knows how long.[/QUOTE] Why is Monday a "burn off time?" The Challenge aired on Mondays for about 8 years and it got great ratings there.

[QUOTE=jr588;216240]Why is Monday a "burn off time?" The Challenge aired on Mondays for about 8 years and it got great ratings there.[/QUOTE] Its not but MTV hasn't seriously programmed it for a few years and tends to shift shows there that didn't turn out as well as they hoped when they ordered them (The ratings for Warren the Ape, World of Jenks, and The Buried Life all make The Challenge look like Jersey Shore).

If the challenges got moved I would expect the Real World to end up in the same day/time slot since they are companion series with much of the same audience. I would rather see them moved to Sunday myself. On Wednesday nights at 10 I tend to watch the Top Chef franchise and catch the RW/Challenges on repeat, though this week was the exception. When I was an undergrad, Sunday night was when I was much more likely to be watching TV than any other night after 8 pm.

No, they would get slaughered by Sunday Night Football. Tuesday seems like a reasonable day

Monday wouldn't be bad but the Fall challenges would get massacred by MNF,WWE,House and other Monday Night TV shows.

[QUOTE=VCR14;216225]Challenge 21 has been greenlit, a location has been set and production dates have been decided, so there will definitely be at least one more challenge after Cutthroat. ".[/QUOTE] Awesome! I hope Kenny, Evan, and johnny are not on it and that Veronica, Coral, and Julie (New Orleans) are on it.

There is better chance of JEK on a Challange than Coral, Veronica or Julie.

I would seriously LOVE if Coral came back. But I doubt it

I don't believe that MTV airs original series on Sunday Nights. Again, there are no actual indications that the show is shifting nights. Personal unfounded speculation. Then again, it would make sense... *caution: all dollar figures ahead are my personal estimates based on what I learned from my old job buying ads* My napkin math says that MTV gains or loses $1 million dollars over the course of a ten episode run for every .1 shift in the show's average A18-49 rating (math detailed below).* While MTV has had some trouble finding good ratings on Mondays and Wednesdays, Jersey Shore and ABDC on Thursdays and Teen Mom and 16 and Pregnant on Tuesdays have been pulling an extra 2-4 full A18-49 ratings points over The Challenge, meaning those shows make MTV 20-40 MILLION DOLLARS more than The Challenge over the course of a ten week run. If MTV is looking to hit another home run, Wednesday night seems like the logical place to try something out. *Math alert: MTV airs 18.5 minutes of commercials during the show. A reasonable estimate as to what MTV is charging for 1 A18-49 point of ratings is $37,000 per 30 second ad; broadcast networks charged~$55,000 this year at the upfronts and cable usually can't charge as much. There's 36 or 37 30 second spots in one episode of The Challenge. Lets say MTV keeps or donates 3 or 4 and the cable companies take 6 for local ads, that leaves 27 ads. If the show gets a 1 A18-45 rating, that means 27 ads x times $37,000 = almost exactly 1 million dollars in ad sales per episode. Ten Episodes, 10 million bucks. so each .1 ratings point is worth about $1M over 10 weeks. (Yes I know MTV sells a LOT of its ads based on 18-34, F18-49, and 12-34; the amounts charged are still in the ballpark, and that's all this is, ballparking.)

[QUOTE=V1man;216170]Or, just maybe they do know good TV, and the ratings are an accurate reflection of "good" to the 260,955,567 people over 15 who didn't watch. [SIZE="1"] (#s based on 2009 US Census data, w/15% of the 2009 population age 15 or younger). [/SIZE] Sadly, the challenges are aging, and the characters portrayed are almost always predictable now. There was a time when people watched because the competitions were interesting and the drama was eagerly anticipated. Now, we largely know what to expect in terms of bad editing, excessive alcohol availability, shoddy pre-production, and drama that apparently must be enhanced by cutting video out of sequence. At one time, BMP and MTV set the standard for reality TV. Today, well, they just consistently disappoint. Tick tock....[/QUOTE] Man I gotta say I agree with you. These shows are aging and they just aren't that interesting anymore.

Then why do you keep watching then Debut Album? You are really negative towards the current challenges and you just admitted they aren't interesting..so why waste your time watching or talking about something you obviously don't like anymore?