The Challenge: Cut Throat - Ratings

[B][U]Episode 5 Ratings[/U][/B] Real World Road Rules Challenge - 1.308 million viewers - 0.9/2 HH - 0.8/2 A18-49 - 1.6/5 W18-34

At least the difference when it goes up and down is minimal..and not a HUGE drop.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218587]Why are they so up and down??[/QUOTE] I wonder how much of a difference it makes when people watch the premiere v. the repeat at 11. I tend to watch the repeat more so than the episode premiere.

Episode 6 Ratings - 1.467 million viewers - 1.0/2 HH - 0.8/2 A18-49 - 1.5/5 W18-34

Up in some, and down in some. I do hope the half season preview with CT and some bad *** clips for rest of the season helps some of those stay on.

I expected a big drop due to the CMA Awards.

[QUOTE=gamer73;220419]I expected a big drop due to the CMA Awards.[/QUOTE] Completely different audience. 80% of RWRR Challenge watchers are under 50. 65% of CMA watchers are over 50.

[QUOTE=feminthea;220411]Episode 6 Ratings - 1.467 million viewers - 1.0/2 HH - 0.8/2 A18-49 - 1.5/5 W18-34[/QUOTE] This is good but still maybe not good enough. I was hoping the ratings would increase a touch... Personally I thought that this week's episode was pretty decent, here's hoping they can string a few more decent ones together and start to hold viewers better. What I'd love to see but am not remotely willing to pay for is the retained/repeat data, that is, what percent of viewers for the week 6 episode Wed/10P watched the week 5 episode Wed/10P. Someone sells that data (I can't remember who but I don't think its Nielsen). If new viewers are cycling in every week and then bailing after an episode or 2 that's a worse sign for the show than if it has a steady loyal fan base.

[QUOTE=CastAStone;220429]This is good but still maybe not good enough. I was hoping the ratings would increase a touch... Personally I thought that this week's episode was pretty decent, here's hoping they can string a few more decent ones together and start to hold viewers better. What I'd love to see but am not remotely willing to pay for is the retained/repeat data, that is, what percent of viewers for the week 6 episode Wed/10P watched the week 5 episode Wed/10P. Someone sells that data (I can't remember who but I don't think its Nielsen). If new viewers are cycling in every week and then bailing after an episode or 2 that's a worse sign for the show than if it has a stea loyal fan base.[/QUOTE] These are not the ratings that Viacom wanted after its announced change in directly some time ago. But, if the MTV exec's pitch to the corporate decision makers should include -- "Hey" the challenges and RW are doing far better than almost any VH1's show." Apparently gone are the days when Rachel, Veronica, Ruthie, Tonya and Beth brought in episodes over 2 mil, and when a couple of the key stars were sent home, the numbers would drop to the low end of 2 mil and all would worry about the series' viability. I agree -- all things being equal and they ofter are not -- that unless MTV has something better in its stable to bring out to 10 Wednesday, then another couple of years would not be unthinkable. There is no question the series is tired, but "tired" is not "dead."

One the mtv.com chart, is the 4th most popular show..way above teen mom and stuff like that. I can think thats measured by how many viewers watch the episodes online, which I have always said they should take into account.

Heard sometime in the last 24 hours on TV a blurb that said Viacom's profits were up due largely to MTV doing better than expected. If that be the case, then I think they will be a little more careful about tinkering with a mix that is working on the whole.

[QUOTE=Entropy;220507]One the mtv.com chart, is the 4th most popular show..way above teen mom and stuff like that. I can think thats measured by how many viewers watch the episodes online, which I have always said they should take into account.[/QUOTE] I see Teen Mom and 16 and Pregnant to be one show so in my mind The Challenge is 3rd on the MTV list. :D

I agree that the online stuff should be taken into account. I have heard that My Life as Liz filmed a second season which could IMO only have been a result of a big internet presence.

I missed the show on Wednesday and I can't find a single re-run coming up, it's ALL Teen Mom and 16 And Pregnant. This is absolutely ridiculous. MTV treats The Challenge like it's a C-List show to them.

Yes, the huge numbers of online viewers are worth at least [URL="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165196/shut-your-f-ing-mouth-laughing-baby"]100 million theoretical dollars.[/URL] You can want or hope for whatever you wish, but unless something changes drastically, MTV will not be considering online viewings in their renewal decision.

The Real World/Challenges do pretty good from season to season. So because of that I hope they continue forever and ever. :D

[QUOTE=REYYY2P;220838]The Real World/Challenges do pretty good from season to season. So because of that I hope they continue forever and ever. :D[/QUOTE] Same here :)

Here's hoping the CT and Tina teasers that will be coming up in the future will get the ratings closer to 2 million viewers range.

Well in the 1.7/1.8 range hopefully will be good enough to get the series renewed, wishful thinking though.

[QUOTE=RMD1;220961]IMO it will be renewed, but what do I know :D[/QUOTE] I agree. Look at the Buried Life, Pranked, Bully Beatdown, My Life as Liz, Hard Times of RJ Berger, Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory. Those shows get lower ratings (I'm almost positive) and they all got renewed at least once with bad ratings.

[QUOTE=SPK713;221043]I agree. Look at the Buried Life, Pranked, Bully Beatdown, My Life as Liz, Hard Times of RJ Berger, Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory. Those shows get lower ratings (I'm almost positive) and they all got renewed at least once with bad ratings.[/QUOTE] Each of the series you mention above have significantly lower total production costs than the challenges. Ratings are not the only measure of merit when it comes to network renewal decisions.

That's a very good point. It's all about the net profit. And for the Buried Life, I'd imagine the costs of production are very low. I'm not really sure of the workings of television and how much it costs to air a show and premotions, but other than that there really isn't any cost. But with the challenge, prizes alone are like $500,000 not to mention the costs of the mansion, the production crew, and the costs to do missions themselves. I love the Buried Life by the way. Entertaining and such a good message. Kind of 100% opposite of challenges, which focus on people's desire for money.

[QUOTE=V1man;221047]Each of the series you mention above have significantly lower total production costs than the challenges. Ratings are not the only measure of merit when it comes to network renewal decisions.[/QUOTE] You're right, I should have thought about that. Whoops :(

[QUOTE=V1man;221047]Each of the series you mention above have significantly lower total production costs than the challenges. Ratings are not the only measure of merit when it comes to network renewal decisions.[/QUOTE] Bingo. Yes they all got lower ratings than this but V1man is right. Also, 1 well rated episode is not going to make a significant difference in their decision. I vacillate like crazy on whether this will get picked up; I tend to think it will. The reasoning is that I'm almost positive that The Real World will be renewed, and I think that these shows are still not evaluated entirely separately. I don't know if it will be the same exact format that we see now; I wouldn't be surprised to see its budget slashed, meaning less cast members, cheaper residences, and smaller prizes. Probably more "eat this goo" challenges as well. I also wouldn't be surprised to see only 1 elimination a week or a completely different format, timeslot, episode length, or number of seasons per year (1 instead of 2). We'll see.

I used to think both shows were dunzo but considering only two shows on mtv actually get above 2 million every episode and they renew dumb shows such as my life as liz, I think the show has a very good chance of getting renewed. I'm not really into the shows anymore but thats just my two cents. I'd still choose it over 16 & pregnant, and all the other dumb stuff that they show.

[QUOTE=CastAStone;221117]Bingo. Yes they all got lower ratings than this but V1man is right. Also, 1 well rated episode is not going to make a significant difference in their decision. I vacillate like crazy on whether this will get picked up; I tend to think it will. The reasoning is that I'm almost positive that The Real World will be renewed, and I think that these shows are still not evaluated entirely separately. I don't know if it will be the same exact format that we see now; I wouldn't be surprised to see its budget slashed, meaning less cast members, cheaper residences, and smaller prizes. Probably more "eat this goo" challenges as well. I also wouldn't be surprised to see only 1 elimination a week or a completely different format, timeslot, episode length, or number of seasons per year (1 instead of 2). We'll see.[/QUOTE] They should def go back to the half hour format! I dont remember to well but didn't Gauntlet 3 have 0 prizes and just the big check at the end? They could really go Survivor style and just have that big prize at the end..cause lets face it unless its a car or a bike like on Duel the viewers really dont care about the prizes. Heck on Inferno 1 not all the missions had prizes, so they dont actually have to give prizes away. I don't know, maybe go real old school with locations like the ones on Gaunlet 1 and Battle of the Seeasons-Sexes 1 and 2.

[QUOTE=Entropy;221179]They should def go back to the half hour format! I dont remember to well but didn't Gauntlet 3 have 0 prizes and just the big check at the end? They could really go Survivor style and just have that big prize at the end..cause lets face it unless its a car or a bike like on Duel the viewers really dont care about the prizes. Heck on Inferno 1 not all the missions had prizes, so they dont actually have to give prizes away. I don't know, maybe go real old school with locations like the ones on Gaunlet 1 and Battle of the Seeasons-Sexes 1 and 2.[/QUOTE] The prizes are actually a very big part in helping fund the challenges. It's basically advertisement for the viewers. And the reason the Inferno barely had prizes was because Chili's, I believe, was one of the main sponsors (their logo was all over that season).