The Challenge: Rivals - Welcome to the Jungle

Just look up Vincent Tamburello Murder on google, it's been discussed many times already on this forum. His brother was shot twice, and bashed with the butt of the rifle. Discussed mostly here: [url]http://vevmo.com/f187/chris-ct-tamburello-3852/[/url]

I really enjoyed the first episode of this challenge. I don't think JEK is going to be able to rule the competitors like they normally do. Paula should be happy she got paired with Evelyn since she is the strongest female competitor there IMO. Kenny telling Wes that he would show him what the finish line looked like shows how much of a tool he is. Doesn't he remember Wes dragging Casey around in Fresh Meat 1? I liked that CT apologized to Adam. I caught the replay on MTV.com and clearly heard him say that it was his brother that got shot in the back. It might be an East Coast thing but his accent doesn't bother me. I am glad to see him matured and focused and hope he gives the JEK alliance more than they can handle. I have to stand up for Katelynn. I heard her say to Laurel that if she and Sarah had to go in so be it but Laurel should have been the one to go to the elimination round. Kudo's to her for speaking up about the treachery. I don't know who all these newbies are but I am not liking this Laurel chick. Love Leroy and Mike even though Adam R. did a good job against CT and Adam. I hope Mike can shut some of the jerks up (JEK alliance) and I'm rooting for the Vegas boys along with Adam and CT. Didn't know about TJ being seriously injured so I am glad that they spoke on it. Good to see him back and the heartfelt introduction. Jenn said it best if he can come back from an injury like that none of the competitors have any excuse not to give it their all. Can somone please tell me what happened between Evelyn and TJ? I thought he had a lot of respect for her as a competitor and I know she always brings it so I am confused about the awkwardness when they shook hands. Glad Adam R. is gone he is a tool but that TY guy needed to go to. I didn't watch his season but he looks like a real d bag. His partner seems pretty cool though. Looking forward to the next episode to see Mike Mike and Roylee kick some butt!

[QUOTE=joliny;255242] Can somone please tell me what happened between Evelyn and TJ? I thought he had a lot of respect for her as a competitor and I know she always brings it so I am confused about the awkwardness when they shook hands.[/QUOTE] I think this may stem from Fresh Meat II. Evelyn took her loss in the elimination round to Landon/Carley so hard that she went as far to throw her partner Luke under the bus. TJ called out her attitude and he went as far to say "I've never seen a 4 year old on this show before". This was also her last challenge prior to Rivals.

Thanks for clearing that up for me although there is nothing wrong with losing to Landon in an elimination. That guy is one of the best competitors I have ever seen on any of the challenges and he plays the game fair and square.

[QUOTE=joliny;255242] Kenny telling Wes that he would show him what the finish line looked like shows how much of a tool he is. Doesn't he remember Wes dragging Casey around in Fresh Meat 1? [/QUOTE] The last time Wes saw a finish line was the first and only time Kenny DIDN'T. So if anything, I think Kenny was just trying to be helpful and offer to rectify some of Wes's recent failures. Very classy move. :)

Yeah it was very thoughtfull of Kenny. It was also very sweet of TJ that he let Kenny pick his own partner, when he picked Wes I was like WHAT!? :O I thought they were enemies.. edit: tbh I was really expecting Kenny to pick like TJ or a camera dude as partner over Wes, seems like something he'd do.. :p

[QUOTE=jojorules;255189]The Laurel/Eric thing I have no idea anymore and I let it go and don't hate Laurel because of it. Plenty of the guys are cocky jerks, she is just over confident. I don't approve at all with the Eric thing but Laurel says that they edited out a lot, but she was still at fault. Maybe the mods know the whole story better but she seemed sorry, but she seemed like she was taking all the fault and he wasn't which she is either in denial, or he did something too. She seems sorry but also she says she can be a real ****** if you f with her, so which is it? Based on how Eric was acting on the reunion, I believe he had a part in it too, but Laurel def was out of line. Laurel is bad at explaining herself for sure, which she either is bad at covering her lies, or just bad at being modest I am not sure. I don't mind Laurel, I respect her game and physical ability. It's good to see women like Ev/Laurel who can compete at a high level and back up their talk. I like to see the best athletes win in the end, so for that reason I hope she goes far. [/QUOTE] There are people who were there who witnessed the entire argument who believe that while Eric may have started the argument, Laurel went too far and was sure to finish it. There was quite a bit edited out, but I don't believe too many cast members took Laurel's side. As for explaining herself, that is something that drunkenly happened months ago. Attempting to re-explain it (while potentially drunk, as lots of cast members are at the reunions) might prove to be difficult. I barely remember the conversations I drunkenly had last week, let alone four or five months ago. [QUOTE=Blue123;255186]At least he apologized and doesn't justify it, and is trying not to act like that. Like omg on that last podcast she was saying that she didn't care and will not apologize for anything and is still acting like a *****. I am curious to see what Paula said to her and to see if she deserved it. I still don't get the whole Eric thing, she said all that to him because he didn't let her sit with him? I didn't get that either, I always feel like I have to really pay attention when he talks because it's hard to understand him with his accent and mumbling. Even MTV was confused because they said his brother was shot and CT was shot in the back, but MTV always has typos.[/QUOTE] [spoiler]Laurel goes off on another weight tirade, this time against Paula's previous weight issues.[/spoiler] What CT said was "A lot of people didn't know that uh, my brother was murdered...uh he was actually shot in the back." [QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255205]I haven't rewatched it yet and probably won't but while that may be correct in terms of facts, I would have sworn he said something about him having been shot in the back. Maybe he was talking symbolically or maybe it was a bad edit, but I definitely remember thinking "When?" when he said it but I didn't care enough to go find out anything about it.[/QUOTE] If you'd like more info beyond what has already been heavily discussed here, I suggest a Google search of "Vincent Tamburello" and/or "Kyle Bolaski".

CT was hard to understand when talking about his brother, but I think he just didn't want to talk about it, I don't blame him. Adam King has been speaking highly about him on Twitter. Nice to see those two on "better" terms. Leroy had a live feed/video where he just answered questions non stop for about 25 minutes. That is very cool of him to do IMO. Great way to be a fan favorite and get invited back if challenges continue, smart move. Link is on his twitter. Robin is on Derrick's next podcast, but it isn't up yet. Who knows what that is going to be like haha. Robin is a little crazy IMO, to put it kindly.

[QUOTE=molds13;255274] What CT said was "A lot of people didn't know that uh, my brother was murdered...uh he was actually shot in the back." If you'd like more info beyond what has already been heavily discussed here, I suggest a Google search of "Vincent Tamburello" and/or "Kyle Bolaski".[/QUOTE] I honestly don't care about what happened to his brother one way or the other. It just sounded to me like CT said he, CT, was shot in the back. That his brother was killed didn't mean something different couldn't have happened to CT. Thank you for clarifying what he said though.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255280][B]I honestly don't care about what happened to his brother one way or the other. [/B] [/QUOTE] While I don't personally care for CT, in part thanks to things some cast members have told me over the years, I don't understand how one can not feel empathy for anyone who has lost a family member due to violence. I sincerely hope your view is not representative of the society we live in. Or, perhaps you simply didn't communicate what you really meant.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255280][B]I honestly don't care about what happened to his brother one way or the other. [/B]It just sounded to me like CT said he, CT, was shot in the back. That his brother was killed didn't mean something different couldn't have happened to CT. Thank you for clarifying what he said though.[/QUOTE] Harsh. I hope you mean in regards to your original question.

[QUOTE=jojorules;255283]Harsh. I hope you mean in regards to your original question.[/QUOTE] The issue was what CT had said and the details of what happened to his brother didn't help make that any clearer to me. I was just agreeing that I heard it the same way as somebody else here. I do not condone what happened to CT's brother by any measure. CT has a history of being a physically aggressive hot-head. The articles I read previously about his brother's death made me think he was inviting trouble to begin with. Yes, its harsh, but I am not going to feel sympathy for aggressive people who become victims of the aggressive culture they feed on and unnecessarily fuel. If CT or his brother were more like Mike Ross-types, yeah I would feel terrible for them. Since they do not seem that way to me, I choose to save my sympathies for people who are true hapless victims of aggression and there are plenty of those every day everywhere. I choose not to feel for thugs as my way of rejecting the thug mentality that is destroying this country.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255313]The issue was what CT had said and the details of what happened to his brother didn't help make that any clearer to me. I was just agreeing that I heard it the same way as somebody else here. I do not condone what happened to CT's brother by any measure. CT has a history of being a physically aggressive hot-head. The articles I read previously about his brother's death made me think he was inviting trouble to begin with. Yes, its harsh, but I am not going to feel sympathy for aggressive people who become victims of the aggressive culture they feed on and unnecessarily fuel. If CT or his brother were more like Mike Ross-types, yeah I would feel terrible for them. Since they do not seem that way to me, I choose to save my sympathies for people who are true hapless victims of aggression and there are plenty of those every day everywhere. I choose not to feel for thugs as my way of rejecting the thug mentality that is destroying this country.[/QUOTE] I kinda agree with this. I do feel sympathy for what happened to CT's brother but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't he chasing that dude with an axe? It still doesn't justify shooting someone in the back but he wasn't exactly helpless or innocent in that situation.

[QUOTE=Maestro;255322]I kinda agree with this. I do feel sympathy for what happened to CT's brother but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't he chasing that dude with an axe? It still doesn't justify shooting someone in the back but he wasn't exactly helpless or innocent in that situation.[/QUOTE] I'd suggest a reading of the actual trial coverage or the trial testimony before you think you know what happened from a press report. I know a couple of people in the Boston legal community who followed the case closely and have remarked that early media reporting didn't match the facts.

Hey did anyone watch The Soup last night? They mentioned the kiss between Jasmine and [strike]trye[/strike] Tyrie.

[QUOTE=Lionqueen11;255388]Hey did anyone watch The Soup last night? They mentioned the kiss between Jasmine and [strike]trye[/strike] Tyrie.[/QUOTE] Nope. Thanks for the reminder!

[QUOTE=Raymond21;255403]Nope. Thanks for the reminder![/QUOTE] No prob, maybe when I get time and if I see if the Soup mentioned its again, I will try to post the clips up here

Question. Why were Aneesa and Robin considered the best pair to go against Everlyn and Paula? Aneesa smokes about 40 a day and Robin is an emotional wreck.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;255446]Question. Why were Aneesa and Robin considered the best pair to go against Everlyn and Paula? Aneesa smokes about 40 a day and Robin is an emotional wreck.[/QUOTE] 1. Because Laurel said so. 2. Laurel's big mouth took the target away from everyone else.

[QUOTE=V1man;255457]1. Because Laurel said so. 2. Laurel's big mouth took the target away from everyone else.[/QUOTE] [spoiler]I must say, that deliberation just showcased why the same people keep making it to the end and winning while the sheeple get chipped off.[/spoiler] It's sad, tragic, and painful to watch season after season. Voting in Laurel would have guaranteed that one of the two strongest girls in the game would be eliminated. Sometimes I wonder if "winning" is ever on any of the girls' minds besides Ev, Paula, Robin and Laurel...

[QUOTE=cystic;255459]It's sad, tragic, and painful to watch season after season. Voting in Laurel would have guaranteed that one of the two strongest girls in the game would be eliminated. Sometimes I wonder if "winning" is ever on any of the girls' minds besides Ev, Paula, Robin and Laurel...[/QUOTE] Wouldn't have made a difference since none of JEK like Robin and they don't want to lose Laurel's vote. I mean you have to figure you have them 3, Jenn/Mandi, and Laurel/CM no matter what, along with Theresa who just follows the popular crowd in hopes of making it to the end. That's 6 votes right off the bat. Assuming Paula/Ev don't get a vote, they only need 1 more vote. But still, just looking at these teams on paper, I can't see any of them winning at the end outside of Paula/Ev. Laurel seems to run out of gas towards the end when the finals are long, Cara Maria's a crapshoot, and what other female team on the cast looks good enough to even make it to a final under normal circumstances, let alone win one? Even if Aneesa/Robin made it to the end, they'd have no shot at winning so them going home now isn't going to change much.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;255465]Wouldn't have made a difference since none of JEK like Robin and they don't want to lose Laurel's vote. I mean you have to figure you have them 3, Jenn/Mandi, and Laurel/CM no matter what, along with Theresa who just follows the popular crowd in hopes of making it to the end. That's 6 votes right off the bat. Assuming Paula/Ev don't get a vote, they only need 1 more vote. [/QUOTE] That's why I never mentioned the guys' perspective and motives for the vote. I'm talking about how the girls who aren't Laurel or Ev had a chance to get rid of a really good threat so they could win, not just make it to the final. Even out the playing field by taking out the dominant females...

I know it makes for drama and alliances and stuff but I don't think guys should be allowed to vote on the girl days and girls shouldn't be allowed to vote on the guy days.

[QUOTE=faceless;255468]I know it makes for drama and alliances and stuff but I don't think guys should be allowed to vote on the girl days and girls shouldn't be allowed to vote on the guy days.[/QUOTE] I totally agree. I was actually really surprised when I saw that they all got a vote. The other thing they could do is have the guys and girls agree with each other that whatever team that *** voted on to go in, the other *** would all vote for that one team.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255313]The issue was what CT had said and the details of what happened to his brother didn't help make that any clearer to me. I was just agreeing that I heard it the same way as somebody else here. I do not condone what happened to CT's brother by any measure. CT has a history of being a physically aggressive hot-head. The articles I read previously about his brother's death made me think he was inviting trouble to begin with. Yes, its harsh, but I am not going to feel sympathy for aggressive people who become victims of the aggressive culture they feed on and unnecessarily fuel. If CT or his brother were more like Mike Ross-types, yeah I would feel terrible for them. Since they do not seem that way to me, I choose to save my sympathies for people who are true hapless victims of aggression and there are plenty of those every day everywhere. I choose not to feel for thugs as my way of rejecting the thug mentality that is destroying this country.[/QUOTE] I find it's best to not comment when you do not know the facts. Someone's brother died. No matter the reasons, I'd say that's more than enough reason for sympathy. As we do not know his brother (or anyone else in his family for that matter) we shouldn't even begin to speculate if he "deserved" death. In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say that's overly harsh in any situation. My deepest sympathies are STILL with CT and ALL of his loved ones. It's a shame when violence takes a young life, in ANY case.

[QUOTE=Insider;255470]I find it's best to not comment when you do not know the facts. Someone's brother died. No matter the reasons, I'd say that's more than enough reason for sympathy.[B] As we do not know his brother (or anyone else in his family for that matter) we shouldn't even begin to speculate if he "deserved" death. In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say that's overly harsh in any situation. [/B] My deepest sympathies are STILL with CT and ALL of his loved ones. It's a shame when violence takes a young life, in ANY case.[/QUOTE] I [B][U]absolutely never[/U][/B] said or implied that he deserved what happened to him. I specifically said I did not condone what happened to him.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255473]I [B][U]absolutely never[/U][/B] said or implied that he deserved what happened to him. I specifically said I did not condone what happened to him.[/QUOTE] You may have specifically said that, but everything else in your post screamed otherwise. You most definitely implied it.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;255473]I [B][U]absolutely never[/U][/B] said or implied that he deserved what happened to him. I specifically said I did not condone what happened to him.[/QUOTE] You said you have no sympathy for people who are aggressive if they get shot in the back. So basically, being aggressive = not deserving of sympathy? So if a dog bit me and I beat the living **** out of it would you not feel bad for the dog?

[QUOTE=faceless;255475]You said you have no sympathy for people who are aggressive if they get shot in the back. So basically, being aggressive = not deserving of sympathy? So if a dog bit me and I beat the living **** out of it would you not feel bad for the dog?[/QUOTE] I'm not at all agreeing with CrazyHorse, but I think there's a huge difference between people being aggressive and a dog biting someone.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;255465]Wouldn't have made a difference since none of JEK like Robin and they don't want to lose Laurel's vote. I mean you have to figure you have them 3, Jenn/Mandi, and Laurel/CM no matter what, along with Theresa who just follows the popular crowd in hopes of making it to the end. [B] That's 6 votes right off the bat. Assuming Paula/Ev don't get a vote, they only need 1 more vote. [/B] But still, just looking at these teams on paper, I can't see any of them winning at the end outside of Paula/Ev. Laurel seems to run out of gas towards the end when the finals are long, Cara Maria's a crapshoot, and what other female team on the cast looks good enough to even make it to a final under normal circumstances, let alone win one? Even if Aneesa/Robin made it to the end, they'd have no shot at winning so them going home now isn't going to change much.[/QUOTE] But doesn't each pair only get one vote? That's only 2 for sure from what you said. Theresa would have to get Camila to agree, but I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem.