The Challenge: Battle of the Seasons - Discussion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=FishHooks;308715]Danny has the reputation, but I have never seen anything from him that seems to support the reputation of thinking he is so much better than everybody else. I really don't follow him that much, but what is it that causes people to think that about him? I have never gotten that sense of a huge ego from what I recall having seen of him. Is it that he didn't do the Challenges for so long after his season?[/QUOTE] Apparently being on the receiving end of a black eye on one's Season qualifies him to be a challenge legend.... Honestly, I think their team was doomed before they even started. Based on past challenges, I can see Wes trying to be the "leader" of the team whilst also attempting to control the other Rookies in the game, making him more a target and untrustworthy because he's a slimeball (I know, real mature word :P). Not only that, but also screwing over Danny in FM2 can mean a lack of trust from his own team members and lack of teamwork. Danny and Melinda's divorce can lead to even less team work and practically a huge lack of communication. And well, Lacey might just be in the middle of it all trying to pull the team together. Fact is, there's just too much bad history there. Which, as someone before said, can be an advantage to the rookies, and they don't have that much history. I feel ashamed that I don't know anyone from like 2 and a half teams... Don't know anyone from St. thomas, New Orleans nor the guys from cancun. Big fan of the challenge... not so much of Real World since Sydney. So I can't really root for them since I don't know them much. The only Vet that I honestly do not mind seeing, because he's not such a camera hog is Alton. Although I am not a fan of Trishelle, I think LV might be a strong team. Dustin is athletic, Alton has proven himself in these games, Trishelle (I think was a decent competitor and she was okay at puzzles?) and well Nany... not sure about her. If the FM and the Brooklyn team goes next, I would be a super happy camper... [SIZE="1"]There's only so much you can tolerate of some people.[/SIZE]

I know it's beating a dead horse, but I really think it can't be said enough that you can't really judge a competitor before a challenge starts. Everyone has the ability to surprise or disappoint. I mean, on surface, somebody like Laterrian should have been an awesome competitor. He's definitely fit, has a great build, etc., but he was pretty terrible during his challenge seasons. Also, the challenges they throw at these people are often times so outrageous and out-there that it's near impossible to make predictions on who will be the best. They've had challenges ranging from sitting on a block of ice, spelling contests, spraying each other with fire hoses, climbing up a slip n slide while wearing fat suits, and rolling people down a hill inside a tire. So really, you never know. Also, isn't it possible that there have actually been more eliminated teams anyways? I don't remember when the challenge started, and I know there was a delay, but it's possible/probable that there have been more eliminations, right? They're just good at hiding it or molds is waiting for solid confirmation.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;308806]People need to know/remember that CJ threw the exile against Landon on FM2 so that he could learn it forwards and backwards. [B]I feel like Derek did decent in his elimination round against Brandon on Cutthroat[/B]. He has also apparently added some muscle weight so in theory, he should be a better competitor than he was on Cutthroat.[/QUOTE] I guess you and me weren't watching the same elimination round because I'm pretty sure Brandon shut out Derek 5-0.

[QUOTE=v123;308784]The vets on the Gauntlet 3 considered Melinda to be one of the three strongest women there along with Jill and Tori.[/QUOTE] Doesn't really say much considering at the time they said that there were only 5 girls left the others being Johanna and Rachel. Not an impressive feat.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;308828]I guess you and me weren't watching the same elimination round because I'm pretty sure Brandon shut out Derek 5-0.[/QUOTE] Derek, like Melinda, put up a fight even though they got shutout. I don't think Derek's a great or even good competitor but I can see someone saying he did "decent" or "okay" against Brandon.

[QUOTE=mph922;308821]I know it's beating a dead horse, but I really think it can't be said enough that you can't really judge a competitor before a challenge starts. Everyone has the ability to surprise or disappoint. I mean, on surface, somebody like Laterrian should have been an awesome competitor. He's definitely fit, has a great build, etc., but he was pretty terrible during his challenge seasons. Also, the challenges they throw at these people are often times so outrageous and out-there that it's near impossible to make predictions on who will be the best. They've had challenges ranging from sitting on a block of ice, spelling contests, spraying each other with fire hoses, climbing up a slip n slide while wearing fat suits, and rolling people down a hill inside a tire. So really, you never know. [B]Also, isn't it possible that there have actually been more eliminated teams anyways?[/B] I don't remember when the challenge started, and I know there was a delay, but it's possible/probable that there have been more eliminations, right? They're just good at hiding it or molds is waiting for solid confirmation.[/QUOTE] It is highly probable that there have been IMO. I would guess they are probably rolling right up on the finals soon. I disagree with your other assertion. There is always that chance for an upset but I think you can have well-reasoned opinions based on the probability of one person doing better than another based on any number of factors one wants to use. I wouldn't gamble on it being right, but for conversational purposes, this thread would be a whole lot shorter if there were no speculation. I personally don't mind being wrong so I don't understand why people feel that they or others would need to only be right in their predictions. Its not that serious.

There have better been more eliminations. Last thing I want and I always say this is 1000 finalists.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;308869]It is highly probable that there have been IMO. I would guess they are probably rolling right up on the finals soon. I disagree with your other assertion. There is always that chance for an upset but I think you can have well-reasoned opinions based on the probability of one person doing better than another based on any number of factors one wants to use. I wouldn't gamble on it being right, but for conversational purposes, this thread would be a whole lot shorter if there were no speculation. I personally don't mind being wrong so I don't understand why people feel that they or others would need to only be right in their predictions. Its not that serious.[/QUOTE] Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree. I mean, based on build and looks alone, I expect Zach to be a great competitor. That's just one example (I also figured Devyn would be a bad competitor, but there has been some solid evidence to possibly suggest otherwise in this thread, etc.) I guess I just mean what you said, it seems like most people are so set in their opinions that it makes it difficult to really discuss it, especially when most of the people on this challenge have yet to compete.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;308768]I thought this too, until I went and rewatched some of NOLA and if you really look at them, Knight is a beast...big strong and athletic. [B]Preston people stereotype, because he is gay, as someone who is weak[/B], however he is pretty tall and looks like he could handle himself. Jemmye may be small but I bet she can be quick and fiesty. And Mckenzie is a swimmer and surfer and that takes a lot of athletic ability to do both of those...if you don't agree, go try it. They actually don't look that bad. Cancun, Fresh Meat and Brooklyn all appear to me to be extemely weak....especially Cancun, who I think is the weakest team this season. I will be shocked if they make it to the end...such duds.[/QUOTE] I don't know about other people, but I don't think Preston is weak because he's gay, that doesn't have anything to do with it. I think he's weak because he's skinny and looks like he doesn't work out.

[QUOTE=CherryPie;308882]I don't know about other people, but I don't think Preston is weak because he's gay, that doesn't have anything to do with it. I think he's weak because he's skinny and looks like he doesn't work out.[/QUOTE] Yes because people with muscles and work out make such strong competitors on series like these...

[QUOTE=kvm1977;308889]I don't recall there being a time limit on the puzzles in Fresh Meat II[/QUOTE] Cara Maria stated it on Formspring. She said that her and Darrell had to take the full 30 minutes in total on both puzzles while Pete and Jillian got through them quickly. I assume that the other exiles had the same time limits on puzzles.

[QUOTE=CherryPie;308882]I don't know about other people, but I don't think Preston is weak because he's gay, that doesn't have anything to do with it. [B]I think he's weak because he's skinny and looks like he doesn't work out.[/B][/QUOTE] *facepalm* And still, even that reason is foolishness.

[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;308897]*facepalm* And still, even that reason is foolishness.[/QUOTE] How so? I kind of agree with Cherry's opinion. There are a wide range of challenges historically that might favor pretty much any quality someone in the field possesses (puzzles v. speed on land v. speed in water, etc). Overall, however, I cannor think of a series that I have seen where size and strength weren't an important factor overall on the guys' side to make it all the way to the finals. I think it was awesome that Cohutta pulled out some big upsets on The Ruins, but he still came up short in the end.

[QUOTE=CherryPie;308882]I don't know about other people, but I don't think Preston is weak because he's gay, that doesn't have anything to do with it. I think he's weak because he's skinny and looks like he doesn't work out.[/QUOTE] I have to completely agree .

[QUOTE=CherryPie;308882]I don't know about other people, but I don't think Preston is weak because he's gay, that doesn't have anything to do with it. [B]I think he's weak because he's skinny and looks like he doesn't work out.[/B][/QUOTE] I agree and disagree at the same time. I know skinny people who don't look like they work out, but are still very athletic and actually strong and perform well physically. With that being said, I agree with you 100% about Preston, from what I remember from the very little that I watched of NOLA2, he seemed and looked very unathletic. Even with the point I made about athletic skinny people, I can't even try thinking Preston could possibly be one of those people just because he seems that unathletic. I never thought we'd see him on a challenge. To be honest, I can't see him being fast or a good swimmer either.. As long as he actually tries and doesn't complain or whine about the challenges. NOLA2 is easily the weakest team on this challenge IMO, but maybe they could be a surprise. Who knows how the eliminations work, but I expect them to be one of the next two teams home. I am excited to see Jemmye and McKenzie though.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;308812]Jasmine and Jonna did not do bad on Rivals, winning a mission, winning a Jungle, [B]never coming last in a mission[/B], then losing right before the finals to the biggest female on a challenge when everybody is expecting you to flop from day 1? That is not a bad performance. [/QUOTE] Jonna and Jasmine participated in seven challenges and placed last in two(Hammock Crawl, Catch & Release) , second to last in three(Sawed Off, Against the Current, Sync or Swim), first in one(High Dive) and unknowingly with a DQ in the remaining challenge(Car Crusher). They had the worst time in the second girl mission(Sync or Swim) but lucked out in having to go in to the Jungle because Laurel and Cara Maria DQed themselves by grabbing instead of jumping to the pole. Had Jonna and Jasmine gone to the Jungle they would have faced Theresa and Camila in Door Jam, the same duo that beat them in the endurance mission earlier in the day by a full two minutes. They were actually saved that day from the jungle against Laurel and Cara because of the fact that they were viewed as such a non factors. While I don't know if I would call it a "bad" performance, I certainly wouldn't say it was a good one either when you consider the unusually large amount of luck that allowed them to move forward in the game.

I know this gets asked a lot, but how many weeks after the Challenge is over does the Reunion show usually take place?

[QUOTE=Edwin;308937]I know this gets asked a lot, but how many weeks after the Challenge is over does the Reunion show usually take place?[/QUOTE] A few weeks before the Reunion show airs. How many weeks after the Challenge is over depends on how many weeks after the Challenge is over that they start airing it.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;308901]How so? I kind of agree with Cherry's opinion. There are a wide range of challenges historically that might favor pretty much any quality someone in the field possesses (puzzles v. speed on land v. speed in water, etc). Overall, however, I cannor think of a series that I have seen where size and strength weren't an important factor overall on the guys' side to make it all the way to the finals. I think it was awesome that Cohutta pulled out some big upsets on The Ruins, but he still came up short in the end.[/QUOTE] Well, Morris1721 pretty much summed it up for me so I co-sign his post. I'm just waiting until the show to judge Preston because you just never know. Just because you're big, muscular and you work out doesn't mean you're always good at these things either.

[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;308944]Well, Morris1721 pretty much summed it up for me so I co-sign his post. I'm just waiting until the show to judge Preston because you just never know. Just because you're big, muscular and you work out doesn't mean you're always good at these things either.[/QUOTE] In general, I agree with you about size as well. Sometimes bulk/weight/strength help, sometimes its agility, sometimes its smarts, etc. Too often thought its politics. Regardless, Preston might surprise a lot of people and I may be one of them. It will be hard to judge anyone accurately throughout really if they are competing as a team.

Rookies running things this challenge it seems. Just have a feeling either Vegas or Fresh Meat went into every elimination and sent the other Vets home. Strongest teams left just looking at them to me are Vegas, San Diego and St Thomas.

After reading CM's formspring it should be interesting to see Team Fresh Meat because CM only talks to Diem, Abram and Laurel. She could care less for Camilla and I'm sure her and Eric are not on the best of terms so I see them being their own downfall. I really don't think this is going to be a dramatic challenge because there are very few hotheads lefts or even to start with (Frank, J.D, Jasmine, Marie, Zach and Trey). I hope NOLA, San Diego and Cutthroat are the next out with St. Thomas or Cancun taking it.

The cast for this season is kind of boring to me. I am happy to see Alton back FINALLY, and Kelly-Anne is on this season but I can't say I am excited about the rest. I guess it is because i am still living in the pre-Fresh Meat seasons and expect to see older alums on these shows. Oh well hopefully it will be entertaining. It has to be better than Fresh Meat 2 right?

[QUOTE=jimmymiro12;308972]The cast for this season is kind of boring to me. [B] I am happy to see Alton back FINALLY, and Kelly-Anne[/B] is on this season but I can't say I am excited about the rest. I guess it is because i am still living in the pre-Fresh Meat seasons and expect to see older alums on these shows. Oh well hopefully it will be entertaining. It has to be better than Fresh Meat 2 right?[/QUOTE] Sorry to disappoint, but I think a careful reading of this thread would tell you that Kelly Anne and the others from Sydney are not actually on this challenge.

[QUOTE=V1man;308973]Sorry to disappoint, but I think a careful reading of this thread would tell you that Kelly Anne and the others from Sydney are not actually on this challenge.[/QUOTE] Not to be obtuse, but would that careful reading reveal whether or not they will even appear in episode 1 so we can find out why they were booted?

[QUOTE=FishHooks;308979]Not to be obtuse, but would that careful reading reveal whether or not they will even appear in episode 1 so we can find out why they were booted?[/QUOTE] That is an excellent question, but it is not one that even MTV needs to answer for several months. They would have been foolish not to direct BMP to shoot two openings and decide later how to edit episode 1.

[QUOTE=V1man;308981]That is an excellent question, but it is not one that even MTV needs to answer for several months. They would have been foolish not to direct BMP to shoot two openings and decide later how to edit episode 1.[/QUOTE] So you're saying it's another Piggy situation then?

The difference is Piggy was actually there but left for personal reasons (some claim she was seriously medicated or was going through ****, you can even see her at one point in Inferno 1). By the way V1 is stating it it seems that Sydney didn't even get a chance. I mean if they were even there to begin with.

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;308985]The difference is Piggy was actually there but left for personal reasons (some claim she was seriously medicated or was going through ****, you can even see her at one point in Inferno 1). By the way V1 is stating it it seems that Sydney didn't even get a chance. I mean if they were even there to begin with.[/QUOTE] Well V1Man seems to have implied with his last post that they were there but may or may not ever be shown as being on the show.

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;308883]Yes because people with muscles and work out make such strong competitors on series like these...[/QUOTE] Better than those who don't... [QUOTE=wutzrenzi;308897]*facepalm* And still, even that reason is foolishness.[/QUOTE] Facepalm, really? How about you explain your reasoning. What FishHooks said is what I meant. "I cannot think of a series that I have seen where size and strength weren't an important factor overall on the guys' side to make it all the way to the finals" (and I want to add endurance to size and strength that) I'm not saying that you're gonna win because you work out, but it's definitely a plus. How is being unathletic ever a positive thing on the challenges?