[QUOTE=kvm1977;317844]Dan won the first part of the Final HOH. Ian fell then, after awhile, Dani threw it to Dan. She still trusts him...I have no clue why[/QUOTE]
They should have kept JoJo and got rid of Dan and Danielle at the same time. Looks like Danielle is this season's Marcellas/Lawon.
[QUOTE=mttstrk;317855]They should have kept JoJo and got rid of Dan and Danielle at the same time. Looks like Danielle is this season's Marcellas/Lawon.[/QUOTE]
Not at all
Danielle's played a solid game--she just foolishly trusts Dan
She's no where near that level--hell, she still has a great chance to win.
I'd compare her more to someone like Porsche or maybe Natalie
Dan clearly playaed a better game than Danielle.
His game compared to Ian's is arguable.
Either way I hope we don't get a bitter jury. That is the only way Danielle will win because she didn't play a better game than the guys.
[QUOTE=RMD1;317916]Dan clearly playaed a better game than Danielle.
His game compared to Ian's is arguable.
Either way I hope we don't get a bitter jury. That is the only way Danielle will win because she didn't play a better game than the guys.[/QUOTE]
Danielle has won 4 comps and made friends with everyone on the jury (aside maybe Frank). She's got a great chance to win--especially since I think she has all 3 women wrapped up. All 3 are deserving. This isn't like most seasons.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;317920]Danielle has won 4 comps and made friends with everyone on the jury (aside maybe Frank). She's got a great chance to win--especially since I think she has all 3 women wrapped up. All 3 are deserving. This isn't like most seasons.[/QUOTE]
She doesn't really deserve to win the game. Sure she played a better game than most of the final 6, but not Ian and Dan. She threw last week away and let Dan run it. Taking out Janelle wasn't strategic at all it was personal. Sure she won comps but she didn't do smart things with the power.
[QUOTE=RMD1;317921]She doesn't really deserve to win the game. Sure she played a better game than most of the final 6, but not Ian and Dan. She threw last week away and let Dan run it. Taking out Janelle wasn't strategic at all it was personal. Sure she won comps but she didn't do smart things with the power.[/QUOTE]
I disagree--taking out Janelle was very strategic as well as personal
Ian and Dan have played a "stronger game" but Dan has also made countless enemies--you can't do that when they decide the winner.
Ian vs. Danielle isn't even a possibility IMO and I think Danielle is a lock to beat Dan (Britney, Joe, Jenn, Ashley, Frank & Shane)...Dan won lost time 7-0...he may lose this time 7-0 or 6-1
[QUOTE=kvm1977;317930]I disagree--taking out Janelle was very strategic as well as personal
Ian and Dan have played a "stronger game" but Dan has also made countless enemies--you can't do that when they decide the winner.
Ian vs. Danielle isn't even a possibility IMO and I think Danielle is a lock to beat Dan (Britney, Joe, Jenn, Ashley, Frank & Shane)...Dan won lost time 7-0...he may lose this time 7-0 or 6-1[/QUOTE]
He intentions were personal and janelle would have helped her game because she wasn't going after her.
You can make enemies if you don't have bitter *****es voting. He played all of them and if he loses it is a fluke.
Danielle rode Shane and Dan. She hid behind them, which is a good game move, but she doesn't deserve to win over the remaining 2. She deserved to win over Jenn, Joe, and maybe Shane but that's it.
I don't think Danielle deserves to win over Ian or Dan at all. Especially after the last week when she's clearly trusted Dan, he's betrayed her, YET she still trusts him.
That's horrible Big Brother gameplay. There is no way she'll win. Britney won't vote for Daneille. She was defending Dan in the jury house. I think Dan would have her vote. And if Frank is the superfan he claims to be, he'll vote for Dan. And then Dan will bring up that he did what Joe and Jenn told him to do (break up Shane and Danielle). I think Dan has it against Danielle, even if they are their friends. He's a great persuader.
[QUOTE=RMD1;317932]He intentions were personal and janelle would have helped her game because she wasn't going after her.
You can make enemies if you don't have bitter *****es voting. He played all of them and if he loses it is a fluke.
Danielle rode Shane and Dan. She hid behind them, which is a good game move, but she doesn't deserve to win over the remaining 2. She deserved to win over Jenn, Joe, and maybe Shane but that's it.[/QUOTE]
Janelle couldn't be trusted--she played a poor game and taking her out was a good call--see that Danielle's in the F3--how would Janelle have helped her more? There was no chance in the world Janelle was going to help Danielle's game--none.
You have to play to the HGs--he knew Shane & Frank would be bitter. Dan's played a great game of manipulation and he did everything he had to in order to reach this point BUT you have to realize that the jurors may be bitter and you have to play to the HGs that are in the game. Danielle has--Dan hasn't.
Danielle played a great game. I don't like her but she's absolutely deserving of the win if she gets it. Getting the blood on your hand is rarely a good move. You have to be special to pull that off. I'd prefer Dan or Ian to win but Danielle does that is fine--she has earned it. All 3 in the F3 are deserving if they win. And Danielle >>>>>>> Shane in this game.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;317933]I don't think Danielle deserves to win over Ian or Dan at all. Especially after the last week when she's clearly trusted Dan, he's betrayed her, YET she still trusts him.
That's horrible Big Brother gameplay. There is no way she'll win. Britney won't vote for Daneille. She was defending Dan in the jury house. I think Dan would have her vote. And if Frank is the superfan he claims to be, he'll vote for Dan. And then Dan will bring up that he did what Joe and Jenn told him to do (break up Shane and Danielle). I think Dan has it against Danielle, even if they are their friends. He's a great persuader.[/QUOTE]
Britney was defending Dan but Britney has said countless times she'd always vote for a girl over a guy in the final. Frank's not a superfan--he's an idiot--and a very bitter one at that. I don't think Dan has any chance against Danielle--3 weeks ago I did but that has all changed.
I hope I'm wrong because Dan will be the "better player" if he's sitting there against Danielle but Danielle has also played a great game in her own way. Not an elite game but a great one. She could have been on the block against anyone and stayed.
The claim that her game sucks because Dan manipulated her doesn't work for me because Dan still needed her. He needed Dani to sell Jenn on using the POV to save Dan--Dan's not in this house without Danielle. That's just the truth. Again, Dan > Danielle but you have to play to the jury--Dan hasn't--likely because he realized he couldn't if he wanted to save his life in this game. Hosting his own funeral was an amazing game move but, at the same time, the moment he touched that bible I think he lost any chance at 3 votes--JMO.
If Dan wins I'll be thrilled but I don't think Jenn, Britney, Shane, Frank, Joe or Ashley would vote for him over Danielle. Not one of them. And if he wins the FHOH and takes Danielle over Ian I'm not convinced Ian votes for him because that won't give Ian enough time to calm down and accept it. If Dan loses to Danielle I'll be disappointed but Danielle would have earned the win based on her relationship with the jurors. That is part of the game. Not one of them seems to like Dan as much as Danielle. Not one of them
[QUOTE=kvm1977;317935]Britney was defending Dan but [B]Britney has said countless times she'd always vote for a girl over a guy in the final. [/B] Frank's not a superfan--he's an idiot--and a very bitter one at that. I don't think Dan has any chance against Danielle--3 weeks ago I did but that has all changed.
I hope I'm wrong because Dan will be the "better player" if he's sitting there against Danielle but Danielle has also played a great game in her own way. [B]Not an elite game but a great one. She could have been on the block against anyone and stayed. [/B]
The claim that her game sucks because Dan manipulated her doesn't work for me because Dan still needed her. He needed Dani to sell Jenn on using the POV to save Dan--Dan's not in this house without Danielle. That's just the truth. Again, Dan > Danielle but you have to play to the jury--Dan hasn't--likely because he realized he couldn't if he wanted to save his life in this game. [B]Hosting his own funeral was an amazing game move but, at the same time, the moment he touched that bible I think he lost any chance at 3 votes--JMO.[/B]
If Dan wins I'll be thrilled but I don't think Jenn, Britney, Shane, Frank, Joe or Ashley would vote for him over Danielle. Not one of them. And if he wins the FHOH and takes Danielle over Ian I'm not convinced Ian votes for him because that won't give Ian enough time to calm down and accept it. If Dan loses to Danielle I'll be disappointed but Danielle would have earned the win based on her relationship with the jurors. That is part of the game. Not one of them seems to like Dan as much as Danielle. Not one of them[/QUOTE]
But Britney is also a great player and I bet you anything she won't vote bitterly. She knows she'll vote for whoever played the better game no matter if she's said she'd vote for a girl over a guy. That's something people say in the moment.
I don't even think you can say she's played a great game, if that. She's played a mediocre game to me. If Danielle wins over Dan, I'll be completely done with Big Brother. She's still barely done anything in my book at all. She's Dan's pawn, that is it. She's basically rode his coattails the entire way. The only thing she can claim that she's done on her own is get rid of Janelle. And even that wasn't too huge of a move. Had Dan gone earlier on, Danielle probably would have been close behind him. I don't think she's earned her win the slightest.
And Dan only touched the Bible to tell Frank that everything he was saying about the Quack Pack was true. Dan never swore on the Bible that he'd take Frank to the Final 2, that's where Frank is getting his situation mixed up...
I still think that Dan will win whoever he is up against because you have to remember that the jury will vote after they ask their questions. Dan will answer them to perfection, I'm sure.
Britney is a great player but she wants a woman to win. She's talked repeatedly about how she thinks it's ridiculous that a woman has never won against a guy. She did vote for Lane over Hayden despite Hayden playing a better game. Britney won't hold what Dan did against him but I think she'd vote against him if it was Ian or Danielle--hopefully I'm wrong.
I think you're underestimating Danielle's game. Even if Dan had left she would still have been safely behind Shane, still had the Quack Pack and Jenn. The only person she had to worry about was Frank and Frank would have gone after others before her--hell, he couldn't even play in 2 HOHs at the point when Dan saved himself. I think she put herself in an absolutely great spot throughout the game. Not once has there really been any talk of anyone getting rid of her.
I agree that Frank has altered what happened but when you swear on the bible and your wife during a conversation sometimes people believe that means the entire conversation is covered under that. It clearly worked for Dan so it can't be called a mistake but I think that will prevent some for voting for him--JMO. I hope I'm wrong.
Danielle winning would make you stop watching? That seems extreme based on some of the others that have won this game. Quite honestly this has been one of the better seasons--at least of late. And all 3 in the F3 deserve to be in the F3. It isn't like Joe would win.
I do think a lot of people like Dan and hate Danielle which is impacting their view of this season--not saying you do--just a general comment.
The questions used to matter but I'm not sure they do any more aside for the last person to leave. I don't think Rachel, Hayden or Jordan won based on their answers--all of those outcomes were predetermined. Now, maybe Dan is so impressive that he sways Frank, Britney or someone else but I just think that's unlikely. They only get to answer 3-4 questions now as opposed to 7. Dan's going speech would have to be amazing. Could he win based on that? Maybe--we shall see.
Again, I'd vote for Dan against Danielle and I'd be 50/50 with Ian & Dan but sometimes you get a bitter jury (in any reality game that can happen) and that does impact the outcome. Did Dan anger one person too many? Or 6 people too many? That's what we'll see. He's clearly nervous in the house today. He was trying to come up with ways he can get the votes to win and wasn't feeling good about it. Dan's even going to try to convince Ian to throw the 2nd part of the HOH. If he does that and doesn't take Ian that vote is gone IMO.
Again, Dan's game has been elite...Ian's game has been pretty elite as well. Danielle's game, at worst, has been solid. I wouldn't vote for her but the HGs also don't see everything that we do.
[QUOTE=Esquire;318040]Ian won the second part of the HOH and now Dani is threatening him to try and make him throw the third part to Dan.[/QUOTE]
Hah, throw the third part to Dan so Dan will take Danielle for the easy win?
Ian can't be that stupid. Tell me he's not taking it seriously.
You would think Dan would want to throw this final HOH since he's supposedly guaranteed final 2 either way. Don't **** off someone you made a final 2 deal with.
[QUOTE=molds13;318044]You would think Dan would want to throw this final HOH since he's supposedly guaranteed final 2 either way. Don't **** off someone you made a final 2 deal with.[/QUOTE]
Dan wants to win this because if he goes against Ian he loses, but if he goes against Dani he should win, because he can say there is nothing Dani did that she did not ask my permission to do.
[QUOTE=RMD1;318049]Dan just said to the cameras his best move is to throw it to Ian.[/QUOTE]
That is his worst move, if he has any chance at all he has to take Dani.
[QUOTE=Esquire;318050]That is his worst move, if he has any chance at all he has to take Dani.[/QUOTE]
If he screws Ian over he will not vote for him to win. Jenn wants to munch on Danis box, Shane well same thing, that's 3 votes. He knows these people ate going to play personal and not on game.
[QUOTE=RMD1;318051]If he screws Ian over he will not vote for him to win. Jenn wants to munch on Danis box, Shane well same thing, that's 3 votes. He knows these people ate going to play personal and not on game.[/QUOTE]
I think Ian will vote for game no matter what, which means voting for Dan. But right now on the feeds it seems like Dan thinks his only chance of winning is taking Ian, even if that means throwing the last part of the HOH to him.
[QUOTE=RMD1;318053]Ian can't take pressure lol. He might be so ****** because you have to remember the 3rd out has about 10 min to think about it. Look at what Adam did.[/QUOTE]
Yea but if Ian is evicted he has a choice, either for the person who betrayed you, Dan, or the person who threatened you for a week with multiple jury votes. Another reason Dani is playing Dan's game.
I really hope that Dan wins this season. He's clearly the most deserving & it'd be a shame for him not to win. However, the person who I don't want to win typically does which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Ian did.
Danielle was working Ian pretty hard last night to try to convince him to throw the FHOH to Dan or at least take her if he wins. Telling him that if Ian cuts her she'll vote for Dan and if Dan cuts her she'll base it on the speeches. She also said she'll tell Shane what to do and that Britney would be very disappointed in him that he took Dan to the finals. She was trying to sell Ian on the fact that if he does take Danielle her he'll likely win 5-2 and she'll be fine with that. Also, that if Ian takes Dan then Dan will completely bash him during his speech (Ian did agree this would happen).
I don't think it worked but Danielle worked him pretty good IMO. Ian was clearly upset. He really thought that he had votes for Danielle, Shane & Britney against Dan. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
Personally, I think Danielle's best play would have been to sell Ian on the fact the jurors would see taking out Dan as a huge game move instead of her trying to "threaten" him. Can't wait until Wednesday--should be interesting.
Danielle's best move would have been to expose Dan for trying to get rid of Ian during the double eviction. It may have not done much, but still worth a shot. Tomorrow will be a great finale..
Can you still win America's favorite if you are in the final 2? Because by the looks of it both picks will be in the finals. It leaves a wide open space for Janelle to win and that would be hysterical.
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