I agree about the I Love Money thing. VH1 & MTV are all the same company right? The Challenges are like a staple to the network so I could see them doing whatever it takes to keep it from going down the Megan Wants A Millionaire/ I love Money route.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;321631]I think if Katie indeed did witness the sexual assault on Tonya she would have definitely testified on Tonya's behalf but since she won't testify leads me to believe that either Tonya is full of it or Katie just wants to stay out of it which doesn't sound like Katie.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Obviously Katie has given Tonya some indication that she knew about it or saw the incident or Tonya wouldn't be asking this from her. I believe MTV is probably behind why Katie doesn't want to testify.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;321658]I agree about the I Love Money thing. VH1 & MTV are all the same company right? The Challenges are like a staple to the network so I could see them doing whatever it takes to keep it from going down the Megan Wants A Millionaire/ I love Money route.[/QUOTE]
I believe Viacom owns them both.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;321628]I don't think that MTV telling Katie that she could never do another challenge would be enough to make her not want to testify. She has a stable job and is close to finishing school, so she doesn't need challenges anymore. I know that her and Tonya were good friends at one point, Tonya even called her on Inferno 2 when the "mean girls" were harassing her, so I think there would have to be some very serious reason for her to not want to testify if she did indeed witness it.[/QUOTE]
She may want to keep her options open to work with MTV. MTV may be paying her off or bribing her somehow.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321646]A brand to protect? Are you joking right now. Nobody wants a Sandusky. And to believe that we have people here who think Tonya is full of it is just mindless. She did what 2 challenges in the last 5 years. Do we actually think she would absolutely sit there and lie?[/QUOTE]
I definitely think they want to keep their brand and their name clean from this. But I'm with you, I don't think Tonya is lying. It's one thing she took pride in was not being a liar.
It just feels icky even discussing. The fact remains that we really have no idea what happened there. I'm sure there is a lot we don't know about this. Hopefully with whatever happened or didn't happen the truth will be revealed .
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321664]I definitely think they want to keep their brand and their name clean from this. But I'm with you, I don't think Tonya is lying. It's one thing she took pride in was not being a liar.[/QUOTE]
Most people who take pride in not being liars are liars. I don't think Tonya lied about this but she is known for lying. Was it the Inferno 3 where she claimed she snuck her cat on the plane and was freaking out bc she couldn't find it?
[QUOTE=Kajun;321689][B]Most people who take pride in not being liars are liars.[/B] I don't think Tonya lied about this but she is known for lying. Was it the Inferno 3 where she claimed she snuck her cat on the plane and was freaking out bc she couldn't find it?[/QUOTE]
1.) Are there statistics or studies on that or are you just making that up?
2.)I've never heard anything about a cat on a plane.
Viacom and BMP would not compound their problems by threatening Katie, that is a criminal act, which would open up the companies to massive damages, as well as jail time for people involved in the threats. I have no idea what happened in Thailand, but I find it very hard to believe that if Viacom and their powerful lawyers thought there was any chance they would lose that they wouldn't have settled by now.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;321630]As much as I would like to agree with you, they would absolutely threaten her. They have a brand to protect, and having two of the franchise's golden boys sexually assaulting another cast member would not go over very well. MtV and BMP don't want the Challenge to go the way of I Love Money. They've got a lot on the line and ethics are the last thing they care about.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;321646]A brand to protect? Are you joking right now. Nobody wants a Sandusky. And to believe that we have people here who think Tonya is full of it is just mindless. She did what 2 challenges in the last 5 years. Do we actually think she would absolutely sit there and lie?[/QUOTE]
I don't think salt&vinegar meant Tonya was lying... I think he/she meant that Tonya [B]isn't[/B] lying and MTV knows it, so they threatened Katie to prevent her from talking.
I don't know much about the case, or about law in general, so my opinion is somewhat baseless, but I agree with him/her; I feel that MTV is a shady network and.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321695]1.) Are there statistics or studies on that or are you just making that up?
2.)I've never heard anything about a cat on a plane.[/QUOTE]
1.) Based on my own experiences with people. Is it true with every person? Of course not. But most honest people don't have to go around priding themselves on it.
2.) Just because you didn't hear that doesn't mean it isn't true buddy. I remember the clip.
[QUOTE=Kajun;321689]Most people who take pride in not being liars are liars. I don't think Tonya lied about this but she is known for lying. [B]Was it the Inferno 3 where she claimed she snuck her cat on the plane and was freaking out bc she couldn't find it?[/B][/QUOTE]
I remember this as well. I thought it was on The Ruins but I'm not sure. Tonya was a freaking mess on that entire challenge.
[QUOTE=Kajun;321743]Pretty sure it was the Inferno 3.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, I don't remember that.
Anyway, just like we can't assume Evan and Kenny did "toothbrush-rape" her just because they're known to have had misogynist tendencies, whether or not Tonya lied about her cat doesn't affect whether or not she's lying about this.
[QUOTE=Kajun;321729]1.) Based on my own experiences with people. Is it true with every person? Of course not. [B]But most honest people don't have to go around priding themselves on it.[/B]
2.) Just because you didn't hear that doesn't mean it isn't true buddy. I remember the clip.[/QUOTE]
Agreed--if someone has to go out of their way to claim they're honest they (in my experience) are the biggest liars out there.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321695]1.) Are there statistics or studies on that or are you just making that up?
2.)[B]I've never heard anything about a cat on a plane.[/B][/QUOTE]
That was FM1, she looked like a nut case on that challenge and she had to be on something to be saying that cause she was serious about it, she was even crying about it, I remember Theo and Wes talking about the cat incident. And Diem did say ppl were stealing her cancer meds. Not saying it was Tonya but whatever.
Anyways I'm starting to think the accusations are not true, Tonya does not know what happened so she is relying on other people's information and maybe some one misled her, unless some one actually witnessed the act which I'm doubting.
When Wes called Evan/Kenny rapists I kinda believed him but now I think he just said that to **** them off and get people talking, which is a very stupid thing to do since this is a serious matter but he doesn't seem to care, I understand you don't like some one but don't go calling them rapists, that's too far. I think Tonya believes what people said happened to her but like I said she wasn't fully there and Katie not talking makes me believe it didn't happen. I know I would talk if I witnessed a rape and Katie being as outspoken as she is and she's not bffs with K/E so I would think she would do the right thing.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;321657]What part of that is at all ridiculous?
I absolutely do not think that Tonya is lying.[/QUOTE]
Not you vinegar I'm referring on that part to several other people here. However concerning MTV this isn't its heyday anymore.
[QUOTE=CherryPie;321723]I don't think salt&vinegar meant Tonya was lying... I think he/she meant that Tonya [B]isn't[/B] lying and MTV knows it, so they threatened Katie to prevent her from talking.
I don't know much about the case, or about law in general, so my opinion is somewhat baseless, but I agree with him/her; I feel that MTV is a shady network and.[/QUOTE]
Well then in that case...
As for Katie isn't that illegal to do to an alledged witness?
[QUOTE=Blue123;321750] I think Tonya believes what people said happened to her but like I said she wasn't fully there and Katie not talking makes me believe it didn't happen. I know I would talk if I witnessed a rape and Katie being as outspoken as she is and she's not bffs with K/E so I would think she would do the right thing.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. Katie would have most likely spoken up if something happened.
[QUOTE=raskkii;322015]I agree 100%. Katie would have most likely spoken up if something happened.[/QUOTE]
Says who? Just because she hasn't means nothing.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321663]She may want to keep her options open to work with MTV. MTV may be paying her off or bribing her somehow.[/QUOTE]
You may be right. Is she even working?
[QUOTE=CherryPie;321744]Anyway, just like we can't assume Evan and Kenny did "toothbrush-rape" her just because they're known to have had misogynist tendencies, whether or not Tonya lied about her cat doesn't affect whether or not she's lying about this.[/QUOTE]
Well said.
[QUOTE=Blue123;321750]That was FM1, she looked like a nut case on that challenge and she had to be on something to be saying that cause she was serious about it, she was even crying about it, I remember Theo and Wes talking about the cat incident. And Diem did say ppl were stealing her cancer meds. Not saying it was Tonya but whatever.
Anyways I'm starting to think the accusations are not true, Tonya does not know what happened so she is relying on other people's information and maybe some one misled her, unless some one actually witnessed the act which I'm doubting.
When Wes called Evan/Kenny rapists I kinda believed him but now I think he just said that to **** them off and get people talking, which is a very stupid thing to do since this is a serious matter but he doesn't seem to care, I understand you don't like some one but don't go calling them rapists, that's too far. I think Tonya believes what people said happened to her but like I said she wasn't fully there and Katie not talking makes me believe it didn't happen. I know I would talk if I witnessed a rape and Katie being as outspoken as she is and she's not bffs with K/E so I would think she would do the right thing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah right. Wasn't Wes the same person who lied about being married or engaged to Johanna? Yeah he is reliable alright.
And blue if you weren't saying it was Tonya who stole the meds why are you mentioning her name in that same sentence at all. That baffles me.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;321663]She may want to keep her options open to work with MTV. MTV may be paying her off or bribing her somehow.[/QUOTE]
I cannot believe you are suggesting that the defendant (a multimillion dollar company) in a court case is potentially [I]bribing[/I] someone who has been subpoenaed. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard you say.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;321631]I think if Katie indeed did witness the sexual assault on Tonya she would have definitely testified on Tonya's behalf but since she won't testify leads me to believe that either Tonya is full of it or Katie just wants to stay out of it which doesn't sound like Katie.[/QUOTE]
It DOES kind of sound like Katie, though. She has a bad temper but she generally likes to stay neutral on things that don't involve her. She probably told Tonya what went down because she was angry with Kenny and Evan, but years later, has either moved on or made up with Kenny and Evan, or just doesn't want to actually become involved in the legal aspect for myraid reasons, including being in bad standing with MTV, or just doesn't want to make unnecessary waves in a situation that doesn't really involve her.
I doubt MTV is paying her off, but I'll bet that Katie knows that if she testifies, she won't ever get another call to do a challenge, appearance or anything of ANY sort from MTV and BMP if she testifies. Yes, she has a stable job now, etc. but that doesn't mean she wants to make any enemies over a situation that didn't even directly involve her.
[QUOTE=Blue123;321750]
When Wes called Evan/Kenny rapists I kinda believed him but now I think he just said that to **** them off and get people talking, which is a very stupid thing to do since this is a serious matter but he doesn't seem to care, I understand you don't like some one but don't go calling them rapists, that's too far. I think Tonya believes what people said happened to her but like I said she wasn't fully there and Katie not talking makes me believe it didn't happen. I know I would talk if I witnessed a rape and Katie being as outspoken as she is and she's not bffs with K/E so I would think she would do the right thing.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. When/where did Wes call Kenny and Evan rapists? On Twitter? or where?
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;322113]
Yeah right. Wasn't Wes the same person who lied about being married or engaged to Johanna? Yeah he is reliable alright.
And blue if you weren't saying it was Tonya who stole the meds why are you mentioning her name in that same sentence at all. That baffles me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm saying if I had to take a guess at who was taking Diem's meds out of all of the ppl on FM1 I would guess it was Tonya, that is if Diem's meds were actually being stolen. It was cause of Tonya they had to out food coloring in the alcohol.
And you kinda agreed with me on Wes' rant, youre sounding like youre leaning towards Tonya's side and I said I dont believe Wes and you agreed by saying he's a liar. And I think he called Johanna his fiance cause they planned on marrying but they werent officially engaged, I dont remember him calling her his wife. All you can go by is reactions of cast members who were there cause we werent, and initially I thought he came back from botexes, heard something from someone behind closed doors and decided to publicly say it, I kinda also believed him cause he was friends with Tonya and on the ruins he stuck up for her but now I just think he wanted to stir **** up cause later he tweeted Kenny saying I miss you.
[QUOTE=brunett;322178]Interesting. When/where did Wes call Kenny and Evan rapists? On Twitter? or where?[/QUOTE]
Facebook, he went on a rant in the comments on one of his pics, we talked about it before. It was after he was eliminated on botexes, its the pic of him and and a black guy and a girl. And he put the pic as public which further leads me to believe he wanted to stir **** up.
[QUOTE=brunett;321540]interesting. the article links to [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/109406646/Tonya-Cooley-seeks-the-testimony-of-Katie-Doyle"]court documents[/URL], too.
[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/was-katie-doyle-a-witness-to-the-alleged-sexual-assault-on-tonya-cooley]Was Katie Doyle a witness to the alleged sexual assault on Tonya Cooley?[/url][/QUOTE]
Well the court documents linked to in that article say that there was a mediation date set for September 28th. Wonder what happened there. Any legal people out there care to inform us what it means that they had a mediation date set? I was under the impression that they had already tried mediation, it didn't work, and now they were working towards a trial. Do they still work on mediation while preparing for trial?
[QUOTE=jefflevi89;321566]At this point if there was any validity to Tonya's claim or even a chance she would win the case BMP or viacom would have definitely settled. They have other reality franchises to think about in addition to the challenges. If Tonya had any shot there would have been a sealed settlement by now. The fact that they have to try and force Katie to testify shows the weakness of the plaintiff's case. In addition the fact that Evan and Kenny still do work for MTV shows they must believe these claims are baseless and will not hold up in court.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with this. Lots of companies (hospitals for example) will settle with almost everyone who sues them, even if the person doing the suing won't win their case, because they don't want the negative publicity of a trial. Even if the allegations prove to be untrue at trial, it's damaging to MTV to have people even talking about their cast members running around assaulting people with toothbrushes. I think MTV is probably highly motivated to settle regardless of whether Tonya's claims are true or not.
Remember there's always the possibility that they haven't settled because Tonya has rejected any settlements offered to her. Which would seem to give credence to the idea that she really believes these allegations are true and wants to go to trial based on principle.
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