I don't think anyone can fault Trishelle (and Jonna, for that matter) for playing the game and avoiding the arena, but it doesn't make her any less cowardly, and her hypocrisy is disgusting. She needs to take a look in the mirror before she preaches about the morals and ethics of The Challenge. Frank and Trishelle are a dynamic duo - arrogant, condescending hypocrites.
While I thought Dustin and Alton were a little annoying and relentless during and after the challenge, I don't think they were ever belittling or derogatory towards Trishelle. To be honest, I think she kind of deserved to be called out. She's useless.
At first I thought Nany was stupid for volunteering, but others are right, she would have been sent in anyway. At least she didn't have to look at Frank's self-satisfied face as he called out her name.
I love Marie! She can definitely be a b#$%^, but at least she backs it up, and it's nice to see someone who calls others out on their BS.
[QUOTE=JayTee;327929]Sometimes it's hard to stay "humble" when we have to see **** like frank on television.
Now you may delete our posts and control what we say here, but that won't stop us from saying what we want to say in the real world in fact it might even make us hate this ******* even more.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to control or censor you, I'm trying to remind you that there are more adult ways to say things than going full guns a blazing. It's a thing called tact. My opinion on the matter is that posts like yours are only perpetuating the hatred that Frank spews from his mouth on television. What is the point in that? Your hatred becomes an extension of his. Is that really productive? By saying things like "I wish someone would personally low blow him or beat him to a bloody pulp", you're no better than he is. I won't even bother with the "two wrongs" cliche, as I'm sure you've heard it at least once before. Honestly, I feel the same way most of you guys do, and yet I haven't verbally painted a picture of Frank being tortured on here.
And if you have an issue with forum policies, please direct it to our inboxes. Rather than jump to conclusions about our intentions, it helps to actually ask us (privately) why something was deleted or removed. If I wanted to make it easy on myself, I'd just hit the ban button once rather than going through page after page removing inappropriate posts from the same members.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328114]I don't even think this makes sense but to each their own. My issue with Trishelle is that she's a hypocrite--not that she's avoiding eliminations. The objective is to do exactly that.[/QUOTE]
The objective is to win the game, and sometimes volunteering for an elimination round is the best way to do that.
The best chance for Jonna to win the game once CJ was going in was to go in herself. The best chance for Trishelle to win the game is to avoid elimination rounds since she is a weak player and the difference between Alton and Dustin is far smaller than the difference between CJ and Derek.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328118]The objective is to win the game, and sometimes volunteering for an elimination round is the best way to do that.
The best chance for Jonna to win the game once CJ was going in was to go in herself. The best chance for Trishelle to win the game is to avoid elimination rounds since she is a weak player and the difference between Alton and Dustin is far smaller than the difference between CJ and Derek.[/QUOTE]
This is an absolutely illogical argument. Jonna should have gone in a physical elimination against a bigger girl along with a partner that was smaller than his competition but Trishelle is justified in what she did? Are you kidding me?
Jonna made the right decision. I really believe just truly dislike her and it blinds them but they won't admit that bias exists.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328118]The objective is to win the game, and sometimes volunteering for an elimination round is the best way to do that.
The best chance for Jonna to win the game once CJ was going in was to go in herself. The best chance for Trishelle to win the game is to avoid elimination rounds since she is a weak player and the difference between Alton and Dustin is far smaller than the difference between CJ and Derek.[/QUOTE]
You're exactly right. Those were the best decisions for those 2 if they were trying to WIN. Where's Herm when you need him?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328119]This is an absolutely illogical argument. Jonna should have gone in a physical elimination against a bigger girl along with a partner that was smaller than his competition but Trishelle is justified in what she did? Are you kidding me?
Jonna made the right decision. I really believe just truly dislike her and it blinds them but they won't admit that bias exists.[/QUOTE]
Let's just do some math. This might make you understand better:
Jonna's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: 10%
Jasmine's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: .01% (Maybe Sam tears an ACL during a collision or something)
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with only Derek: .01%
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with a full team of 4 and SD without Zach/Sam: about 30%
This gives me an estimate of Jonna having a .3% of winning by going into the arena and a .013% chance of winning without going into the arena.
I could do some similar math for Trishelle going into the elimination round, but her chances of winning was better by avoiding the elimination round because Nany is a far better competitor and the difference between Alton and Dustin is small whereas the one between CJ and Derek is massive.
I'm going to listen to Frank on Alex's spreecast right now.I don't like him but I really want to see if he can justify anything of the horrible stuff he has done and said.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328127]Let's just do some math. This might make you understand better:
Jonna's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: 10%
Jasmine's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: .01% (Maybe Sam tears an ACL during a collision or something)
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with only Derek: .01%
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with a full team of 4 and SD without Zach/Sam: about 30%
This gives me an estimate of Jonna having a .3% of winning by going into the arena and a .013% chance of winning without going into the arena.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree with those percentages--I think they're absolutely wrong.
Let's pretend they are right--what person goes into an elimination round when they think they have a 10% chance to win--that's just stupid. I really think you strongly dislike Jonna even if you won't admit it. Anyone else would have been praised for not going in knowing Zach was also going in.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328129]I completely disagree with those percentages--I think they're absolutely wrong.
Let's pretend they are right--what person goes into an elimination round when they think they have a 10% chance to win--that's just stupid. I really think you strongly dislike Jonna even if you won't admit it. Anyone else would have been praised for not going in knowing Zach was also going in.[/QUOTE]
A person goes into an elimination round if they think they have a 10% chance of winning if they see the big picture and realize that going in helps their chances of winning the entire thing. If you would admit that Jonna is there for the money and not to win it all, then her move of not going in was smart, but you insist that she is there to win it all.
I criticize anyone who makes a poor game play, and Jonna did just that. If everything was the same with CJ going in and the option being themselves or Jasmine against Zach and Sam, I would criticize Nany, Trishelle, Marie, Ashley, Sarah, and Devyn for not going in. Pretty much any female on this season except for Lacey, Jemmye, and McKenzie, since they are in my eyes, just as weak as Jasmine for a physical game.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328133]A person goes into an elimination round if they think they have a 10% chance of winning if they see the big picture and realize that going in helps their chances of winning the entire thing. If you would admit that Jonna is there for the money and not to win it all, then her move of not going in was smart, but you insist that she is there to win it all.
I criticize anyone who makes a poor game play, and Jonna did just that. If everything was the same with CJ going in and the option being themselves or Jasmine against Zach and Sam, I would criticize Nany, Trishelle, Marie, Ashley, Sarah, and Devyn for not going in. Pretty much any female on this challenge except for Lacey.[/QUOTE]
The big picture is if you go home you have no chance to win. If you have a 10% chance of winning an elimination round there's no intelligent person in the world that would nominate themselves if their goal is to win. The big picture ceases to exist if you aren't around for it.
AGAIN, CJ made the mistake not Jonna. Why are you blaming Jonna instead of CJ. Because of your obvious bias. There isn't one strategic female that has ever played the game that would have volunteered to go in with CJ. Not Susie, not Coral, not Veronica--no one. They comprehend how the game works--as does Jonna. And I still don't understand why you think Derek is the worst player ever. She has a better chance to win with just Derek than with Jasmine & CJ or being at home which she would have been. Did you watch the episode yesterday--unsurprisingly to me Derek & Jonna performed well--yet again
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328119]This is an absolutely illogical argument. Jonna should have gone in a physical elimination against a bigger girl along with a partner that was smaller than his competition but Trishelle is justified in what she did? Are you kidding me?
Jonna made the right decision. I really believe just truly dislike her and it blinds them but they won't admit that bias exists.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your take on Cancun. While I think Jonna had a better chance against Sam than Jasmine, I agree that, on paper, it was a suicide mission. No one in their right mind would have predicted that CJ could pull off what he did.
I don't think Jonna handled the team discussion well and I do think it's cowardly, but ultimately, she avoided the arena and is still in the competition two challenges later.
If CJ wasn't such a stand-up guy (and so **** dumb), he wouldn't have volunteered himself. Derek should have gone in.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328135]The big picture is if you go home you have no chance to win. If you have a 10% chance of winning an elimination round there's no intelligent person in the world that would nominate themselves if their goal is to win. The big picture ceases to exist if you aren't around for it.
AGAIN, CJ made the mistake not Jonna. Why are you blaming Jonna instead of CJ. Because of your obvious bias. There isn't one strategic female that has ever played the game that would have volunteered to go in with CJ. Not Susie, not Coral, not Veronica--no one. They comprehend how the game works--as does Jonna. And I still don't understand why you think Derek is the worst player ever. She has a better chance to win with just Derek than with Jasmine & CJ or being at home which she would have been. Did you watch the episode yesterday--unsurprisingly to me Derek & Jonna performed well--yet again[/QUOTE]
They were 3rd out of 5 with 2 teams completely screwing the challenge up. They were also a pretty distant 3rd. That isn't a winning team that they have.
Also, I don't think Derek would have ever volunteered himself to go in and CJ would have been thrown in by Brooklyn since a strong player would be guaranteed to go home.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328137]They were 3rd out of 5 with 2 teams completely screwing the challenge up. They were also a pretty distant 3rd. That isn't a winning team that they have.
Also, I don't think Derek would have ever volunteered himself to go in and CJ would have been thrown in by Brooklyn since a strong player would be guaranteed to go home.[/QUOTE]
So now you're refusing to give credit to Derek & Jonna for doing extremely well in a challenge better suited for a four person team? This discussion was pointless because it is all about your personal bias--see the ridiculous percentages. At least you proved that
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328138]Just agree to disagree. Kvm will argue about anything with Susie or Jonna to the death.[/QUOTE]
I'll argue anything illogical to death...has nothing to do with Jonna or Susie. If someone bashed Trishelle for something they shouldn't I'd argue it to death. I like logic--not sure why people hate logic so much.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328139]So now you're refusing to give credit to Derek & Jonna for doing extremely well in a challenge better suited for a four person team? This discussion was pointless because it is all about your personal bias--see the ridiculous percentages. At least you proved that[/QUOTE]
They did not do extremely well. San Diego did extremely well. They did average at best finishing in the middle when 2 teams completely messed the challenge up. I have no personal bias. You are the one that seems to have a personal bias. I already said I would have criticized all but 3 girls from this season for not going in over Jasmine.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328127]Let's just do some math. This might make you understand better:
Jonna's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: 10%
Jasmine's chances of winning her rounds of the arena: .01% (Maybe Sam tears an ACL during a collision or something)
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with only Derek: .01%
Jonna's chances of winning the Final with a full team of 4 and SD without Zach/Sam: about 30%
This gives me an estimate of Jonna having a .3% of winning by going into the arena and a .013% chance of winning without going into the arena.
I could do some similar math for Trishelle going into the elimination round, but her chances of winning was better by avoiding the elimination round because Nany is a far better competitor and the difference between Alton and Dustin is small whereas the one between CJ and Derek is massive.[/QUOTE]
You're good at math! then again it always helps when you make up fake percentages...
Jonna played smart if she just wanted to stay in the house and collect the show up money. But if she wanted to actually win the COMPETITION, then it was dumb. Because her only chance was CJ. So either convince CJ to not go in or take a chance and go in with him. Because continuing the competition with Derek is just a huge waste of time.
Isn't this the same stupid argument that you all were having last week. Why are we still talking about this?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328140]I'll argue anything illogical to death...has nothing to do with Jonna or Susie. If someone bashed Trishelle for something they shouldn't I'd argue it to death. I like logic--not sure why people hate logic so much.[/QUOTE]
You just have to ruin every thread with a million posts that have nothing to do with the current episode don't you?
[QUOTE=613kt;328150]You just have to ruin every thread with a million posts that have nothing to do with the current episode don't you?[/QUOTE]
I was about to say the same thing. First the Jonna issue from two weeks ago and now something about people who aren't even on this challenge?
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328137]They were 3rd out of 5 with 2 teams completely screwing the challenge up.[B] They were also a pretty distant 3rd.[/B] That isn't a winning team that they have.
Also, I don't think Derek would have ever volunteered himself to go in and CJ would have been thrown in by Brooklyn since a strong player would be guaranteed to go home.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure they only came in 3 minutes behind second place, that isn't a "pretty distant" 3rd.
Honestly, I don't see any other pairs doing as well as Jonna and Derek did in this mission, had there only been two members of the team left. Every team's strongest male/female combination probably wouldn't have done as well as Jonna and Derek did.
Can we give them some **** credit? They performed well in the mission for being a pair team. ****, I didn't even know Jonna nor Derek were good swimmers. They beat Vegas, Brooklyn and St. Thomas twice to come in second to inflate their boat and they came in third overall and don't forget that they had lack of members to **** them row the boat.
Let's move on.
[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;328165]Can we give them some **** credit? They performed well in the mission for being a pair team. ****, I didn't even know Jonna nor Derek were good swimmers. They beat Vegas, Brooklyn and St. Thomas twice to come in second to inflate their boat and they came in third overall and don't forget that they had lack of members to **** them row the boat.
Let's move on.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Jonna and Derek did very well with just half the muscle that the other teams had and for that they should get some props.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;328151]I was about to say the same thing. First the Jonna issue from two weeks ago and now something about people who aren't even on this challenge?[/QUOTE]
There was no argument regarding people who weren't on this challenge. Why can't people comprehend that comparisons can be made--that's how one creates a valid point. The "argument" here is that Trishelle's actions prove she's a hypocrite and people can't separate their bias when discussing things.
It's honestly ridiculous that anyone could read through this exchange and blame me--two people were discussing it with me for the same length of time I was but of course you're blaming me--shocking.
[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;328165]Can we give them some **** credit? They performed well in the mission for being a pair team. ****, I didn't even know Jonna nor Derek were good swimmers. They beat Vegas, Brooklyn and St. Thomas twice to come in second to inflate their boat and they came in third overall and don't forget that they had lack of members to **** them row the boat.
Let's move on.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it truly is a shame when people can't give credit when it's earned. Well said.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;328075]Exactly. Oh and don't forget the Canadian DJ she dated from her season, she said on the reunion she screwed it up with him so more than likely she cheated on him. All she cares about is guys.[/QUOTE]
Are we talking about Kurt or gay Patrick?
I think Jonna is an underrated competitor and misunderstood. She's really smart. She even beat Sarah at a puzzle on Rivals after Sarah was so sure of herself that she would beat her. I heard she was good at puzzles on that reality show she did as a teenager. Not only is she smart, but Frank said she can run for days. She has endurance. I think she would be great for a final. and I agree with kvm, it would have been stupid for her to volunteer herself. No way were they going to win that elimination. It would have been better if CJ never volunteered himself, but Jonna works well with Derek. There is a chance that she could make it to the final.
[QUOTE=Camille;328179] Not only is she smart, but Frank said she can run for days. She has endurance. I think she would be great for a final. [/QUOTE]
This is why I think Jonna would be someone a team would absolutely want to take to a final in a true team challenge (like a Gauntlet or Ruins). You want small girls that are smart and won't have to be "carried" but could be if needed. Ashley (SD) is another girl that fits that. Other than Sarah (she's the best girl by far on this one) those are definitely the two girls on this challenge I'd want to be teamed with--JMO.
Really hoping for a Ruins or Gauntlet or some true team challenge next.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328181]This is why I think Jonna would be someone a team would absolutely want to take to a final in a true team challenge (like a Gauntlet or Ruins). You want small girls that are smart and won't have to be "carried" but could be if needed. Ashley (SD) is another girl that fits that. Other than Sarah (she's the best girl by far on this one) those are definitely the two girls on this challenge I'd want to be teamed with--JMO.
Really hoping for a Ruins or Gauntlet or some true team challenge next.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. Very much comparable to Diem in that sense. Jonna is overlooked because of how thin she is, but she's definitely one of the top 3 girls in this challenge with Sarah and Camila.
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