[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;331748]Every season CT is on he's the star primarily the ones where he lasts long and especially Rivals and Exes otherwise there was nothing to tune in to.[/QUOTE]
He was kind of lost in the mix on The Gauntlet III other than some fights with Coral
And the first Inferno was still the Coral-Miz-Veronica-Katie show
How is Aneesa a great competitor, that never made sense to me. It was so apparent especially on the Duel II how she sucked at Challenges. The only two things that enabled her to win eliminations, in my opinion, are luck and strategy (meaning alligning herself with the right people, intimidating her opponents with her confidence and outweighing them). wutzrenzi put it best, "It's hard to get rid of her", doesn't mean she's good at all.
I'm not sure if it's possible to determine whether Sarah G. was really as strong as her wins reflected in the Gauntlet, but one thing you have to give to her is that she was beaten down by her team every time again, betrayed, backstabbed, belittled and used, and she still had the mental strength to push through and win every elimination she was put in. That is a very respectable accomplishment, especially since she seemed to struggle with self-esteem issues even before coming there.
Coral I think never showed us what she was really capable of. She had a big mouth and was extremely good with manipulating her teams, but when it came down to it, she quit. I can't really consider a person strong if they are too scared of losing and therefore they won't even try. So who knows. To me, she's not so much a competitor as she is a strategist.
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Coral I think never showed us what she was really capable of. She had a big mouth and was extremely good with manipulating her teams, but when it came down to it, she quit. I can't really consider a person strong if they are too scared of losing and therefore they won't even try. So who knows. To me, she's not so much a competitor as she is a strategist.[/QUOTE]
Coral didn't quit because she was afraid of losing. She quit because of the politics of the game. She's definitely a better strategist than a competitor but she did beat Tina in a Gauntlet and didn't quit when she had to face Beth. Again, she quit when CT (someone she had known for years) threw a comp to try to get rid of her. So, you're not making any sense.
Coral's not one of the the elite competitors but she was a strong competitor.
I think some people don't recall what actually happened.
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I found this pretty interesting. Wasn't there a rumor that Shane and CT hooked up on The Inferno 1?
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I found this pretty interesting. Wasn't there a rumor that Shane and CT hooked up on The Inferno 1?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't exactly a rumor. Cast members have reference to him switching teams. CT made a comment about Shane. Shane has stated that he hates doing challenges with a bunch of closeted "straight" guys. Then when asked directly about CT, Shane said "He's hot. That's all ill say." I think you just have to use your imagination with this one but if enough people are addressing the rumor having some sort of truth, then it probably is true.
If MTV wants to finish it's Battle saga as a trilogy, I think it would be cool for them to just do a Battle of The Sexes 3. I remeber they stopped doing them because back in the old days, the women weren't as stacked as the men. Now, they could seriously put up a good fight if they had girls like Laurel, Sarah, KellyAnne, Ruthie, and Cara Maria on one team.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;331795]If MTV wants to finish it's Battle saga as a trilogy, I think it would be cool for them to just do a Battle of The Sexes 3. I remeber they stopped doing them because back in the old days, the women weren't as stacked as the men. Now, they could seriously put up a good fight if they had girls like Laurel, Sarah, KellyAnne, Ruthie, and Cara Maria on one team.[/QUOTE]
Cara maria? Sarah? More like Emily, and rachel.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;331788]It wasn't exactly a rumor. Cast members have reference to him switching teams. CT made a comment about Shane. Shane has stated that he hates doing challenges with a bunch of closeted "straight" guys. Then when asked directly about CT, Shane said "He's hot. That's all ill say." I think you just have to use your imagination with this one but if enough people are addressing the rumor having some sort of truth, then it probably is true.[/QUOTE]
That's weird... I never herd anything related with CT that has to do with homosexuality? Even when Bananas, Kenny, and Evan used to S*** on CT every opportunity they got and on Derricks podcast, they never hinted anything with homosexuality... Maybe they did and I just never paid attention lol
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;331801]Them, too. Those came off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
I just don't think Cara Maria and Sarah are good at all. Personally, I think they are below average.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;331803]I just don't think Cara Maria and Sarah are good at all. Personally, I think they are below average.[/QUOTE]
Below average competitors are people like Casey, Naomi, Arrisa, and Devyn. Cara and Sarah are pretty solid. They're no Ev, but they're pretty good.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;331804]Below average competitors are people like Casey, Naomi, Arrisa, and Devyn. Cara and Sarah are pretty solid. They're no Ev, but they're pretty good.[/QUOTE]
I think Casey, Naomi, etc are terrible competitors, actually they are not even competitors. Solid competitors, in my opinion, are Camilla, Tina, Theresa. I feel like Cara Maria has had exceptional partners throughout the challenges and did absolutely nothing but complain and lose the challenges for her partners. As for Sarah, its debatable.
The thing about Cara is that her mental strength is not the best. Physically, Cara is no Evelyn or Laurel, but if there is any Fresh Meat girl that has the potential to be at that level, it's her or Theresa. I don't consider Camila to be Fresh Meat, even though she was on Battle of the Seasons. Camila is a better competitor than Cara.
However, Cara is better than average, as is Sarah. Sarah has vastly improved from her days on The Ruins, and in a potential Duel III, she would likely make it to the finals as long as she did not have to face Laurel or Emily Schroom. But on BOTS, Sarah, along with Camila, were the best overall female in the house, with Cara Maria, Trishelle, Nany and Ashley not far behind.
I don't think Coral is overrated physically. Generally she'll always be known for her social game and ignored when she's actually pulling her weight. G1 ruined her, she did well on every challenge after that situation and somehow it's always used against her (as well as how she plays socially). After G1 when has she cost her team a mission because she wasn't able to do her part? On Inferno, Battle of the Sexes II and Fresh Meat she did her thing. Gauntlet III she did not deserve to get screwed like that, it was not her time to prove a damn thing when you still have Katie and Casey remaining on your team. I'm not backing her up on the quitting though.
She's not an elite competition wise but she's not below average either. Now don't forget that she's still one of the best to play these games overall; all aspects of the game count.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;331788]It wasn't exactly a rumor. Cast members have reference to him switching teams. CT made a comment about Shane. Shane has stated that he hates doing challenges with a bunch of closeted "straight" guys. Then when asked directly about CT, Shane said "He's hot. That's all ill say." I think you just have to use your imagination with this one but if enough people are addressing the rumor having some sort of truth, then it probably is true.[/QUOTE]
What a blessing of information this is <3
[QUOTE=kvm1977;331775]Coral didn't quit because she was afraid of losing. She quit because of the politics of the game. She's definitely a better strategist than a competitor but she did beat Tina in a Gauntlet and didn't quit when she had to face Beth. Again, she quit when CT (someone she had known for years) threw a comp to try to get rid of her. So, you're not making any sense.
Coral's not one of the the elite competitors but she was a strong competitor.
I think some people don't recall what actually happened.[/QUOTE]
I do recall what actually happened, and to me it seemed like yes, she didn't like that people were screwing her over and that's when she got scared. She doesn't like it when she's not in a power position. She wants to control the game and not have to rely on her strength, whether she would have it or not. Her quitting simply because of CT screwing her over? She knows better than that, the same thing happened on Gauntlet 1 with Mike and she came out on top. It was a weak move, no matter what kind of odds you are against, if you're a true competitor, you'll face the challenge and see how far you can make it.
And maybe that came across the wrong way, I'm not saying she is generally weak and overrated. On the contrary, I'm saying that she has far more in her than she's shown, and that this may be due to fear of losing. (And no, her going against Beth doesn't prove this theory wrong, Beth's only advantage was her weight, competitor-wise she's quite mediocre.)
I agree.
Coral quits when she is not only out of position but cannot see a way back in. Johnny Bananas on the other hand just becomes more belligerent.
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Damn it's going down! Lol.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry maybe it sounds stupid but is he talking about CT being gay?
[QUOTE=mizwood;331818]I'm sorry maybe it sounds stupid but is he talking about CT being gay?[/QUOTE]
Yap, and it´s not like he is the first person to do so;) This rumor has been around for years. lol
[QUOTE=TheCloser;331803]I just don't think Cara Maria and Sarah are good at all. Personally, I think they are below average.[/QUOTE]
Bahaha what? This either a joke or just a biased opinion for your dislike of these girls. Clearly Sarah is one of the top 5 girls that have competed on the last 5 seasons at least. Cara Maria has had some luck on her side but she's at least average. I think Sarah could win a duel, even against laurel, ev or Emily. Those girls are strong but not invincible.
[QUOTE=LexBlair;331819]Yap, and it´s not like he is the first person to do so;) This rumor has been around for years. lol[/QUOTE]
wow, nice! haha, it's a surprise for me.
[QUOTE=Lola88;331825]Bahaha what? This either a joke or just a biased opinion for your dislike of these girls. Clearly Sarah is one of the top 5 girls that have competed on the last 5 seasons at least. Cara Maria has had some luck on her side but she's at least average. I think Sarah could win a duel, even against laurel, ev or Emily. Those girls are strong but not invincible.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad somebody else though that statement was ridiculous. lol @ Sarah and Cara Maria being below average. Especially Sarah who's one of the top female competitor. She's probably the fastest swimmer out of all the recent competitor and is great at puzzles and she's drastically improved with her endurance. I definitely think she could defeat Emily and Laurel in an elimination. Not saying she would, but she can hold her own against them in anything but physical competition.
[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;331707]- Maybe we can find a way to distinguish partner and individual wins without getting too complicated but I just combined everything and made a 'win is a win' decision.
- Individually Aneesa and Derrick of course are crowned the king and queen. But [b]Wes (and others) like to think that his wins from Fresh Meat were all due to him.[/b]
- Vote offs are just vote offs, they aren't eliminations. No one beat them to send them home and earn a win so therefore vote offs being counted would make everything flawed. Island and Battle of The Seasons/sexes shouldn't be counted. This is based off elimination-based challenges.[/QUOTE]
I would consider Wes' FM wins, his. He pretty much did win them by himself.
[QUOTE=McFly High;331830]I'm glad somebody else though that statement was ridiculous. lol @ Sarah and Cara Maria being below average. Especially Sarah who's one of the top female competitor. She's probably the fastest swimmer out of all the recent competitor and is great at puzzles and she's drastically improved with her endurance. I definitely think she could defeat Emily and Laurel in an elimination. Not saying she would, but she can hold her own against them in anything but physical competition.[/QUOTE]
Agreed--Sarah being "below-average" is one of the most ridiculous things I've read. I would go as far as saying she can defeat Emily and Laurel but she'd be one of the few that could possibly put up a fight.
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