[QUOTE=kvm1977;359661]But you can't judge players without considering their game--it's nonsensical.[/QUOTE]
I was speaking on the entertainment level of the season. I still wouldn't care to see any of them except Aaryn and possibly Helen return.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359665]Same, I think its possible to get blood on one's hands and still get the win...
When do you feel is an acceptable time to start getting blood on one's hands?[/QUOTE]
You want blood on your hands--later in the game--not early.
It depends on the spot you're in--definitely after jury...Andy has no need to until F6
[QUOTE=RMD1;359664]Have fun getting evicted before jury lol. You can't always play the game like that. It depends on the season.[/QUOTE]
Lol not literally up to my eyelids, but I'd at least have a mind/opinion of my own, unlike what a lot of these HGs are doing
Also, sweet burn Spencer!
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;359667]I was speaking on the entertainment level of the season. I still wouldn't care to see any of them except Aaryn and possibly Helen return.[/QUOTE]
Game play is entertainment to many. Andy, Amanda, McCrae, Helen, and Aaryn are all worthy of seeing again...
[QUOTE=RMD1;359666]The brigade was flawless. I HATED them, but **** they we great.[/QUOTE]
I think that shows how opposite we are, lol. I stopped watching season 12, due to how boring it got.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359665]Same, I think its possible to get blood on one's hands and still get the win...
When do you feel is an acceptable time to start getting blood on one's hands?[/QUOTE]
It's possible, but rare. Everyone gets blood on their hands, but it depends on your strategy.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359670]Game play is entertainment to many. Andy, Amanda, McCrae, Helen, and Aaryn are all worthy of seeing again...[/QUOTE]
Must be why I've seen so much praise for this season....
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359669]Lol not literally up to my eyelids, but I'd at least have a mind/opinion of my own, unlike what a lot of these HGs are doing[/QUOTE]
They do though...Andy's playing "his game"
Aaryn needed to play the "house's game" to get herself back in the game to start to play her own game eventually.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;359673]Must be why I've seen so much praise for this season....[/QUOTE]
Because most fans don't care about actual game play
And Dan's a liar is he doesn't comprehend what is going on here--he did the same thing--twice.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359674]They do though...Andy's playing "his game"
Aaryn needed to play the "house's game" to get herself back in the game to start to play her own game eventually.[/QUOTE]
Aaryn I get, sort of...
But Andy has given now inclination that he ever really plans to take Amanda or McCrae out. I think he's content with making 3rd place at this point.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359669]Lol not literally up to my eyelids, but I'd at least have a mind/opinion of my own, unlike what a lot of these HGs are doing
Also, sweet burn Spencer![/QUOTE]
People keep saying that these houseguests don't have a mind of their own. In actuality, they all have the same agenda and that why its working so well. It's not like a group of people arebeing brainwashed like seasons 2 or 7. They just happen to have the same agenda in the game and its working so why change it? Sure, it's getting rocky now, but that's bound to happen.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359676]Aaryn I get, sort of...
But Andy has given now inclination that he ever really plans to take Amanda or McCrae out. I think he's content with making 3rd place at this point.[/QUOTE]
Who would he give that indication too? He needs to see what happens with Aaryn and Helen--if you get to the final 3 you just have to win the final HOH...that's all you could ever ask for.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359675]Because most fans don't care about actual game play
And Dan's a liar is he doesn't comprehend what is going on here--he did the same thing--twice.[/QUOTE]
I mean, it'll get interesting when it gets down to Helen vs. McCranda, but when you don't have anyone to root for it's kind of difficult. You may love the game play, but it's still reality tv where you need heroes and villains.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359677]The only thing Dan said on twitter tonight that was dead on was that you knew McCrae was lying because of the constant use of "like"[/QUOTE]
I thought the same exact thing;however McCrae says "like" a lot. Even when he isn't lying.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;359680]I mean, it'll get interesting when it gets down to Helen vs. McCranda, but when you don't have anyone to root for it's kind of difficult. You may love the game play, but it's still reality tv where you need heroes and villains.[/QUOTE]
Villains? Lol. Did you need white hoods and burning crosses to find a villain this season?
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;359680]I mean, it'll get interesting when it gets down to Helen vs. McCranda, but when you don't have anyone to root for it's kind of difficult. You may love the game play, but it's still reality tv where you need heroes and villains.[/QUOTE]
I don't need heroes and villains--at all. I'm rooting for whomever plays the best game regardless of my personal opinion of them. I don't have to like someone as a person to want to see them win--see Maggie who played a great game and still isn't given credit.
[QUOTE=RMD1;359682]Villains? Lol. Did you need white hoods and burning crosses to find a villain this season?[/QUOTE]
Lol no, problem is we have too many.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359676]Aaryn I get, sort of...
But Andy has given now inclination that he ever really plans to take Amanda or McCrae out. I think he's content with making 3rd place at this point.[/QUOTE]
Aaryn and Andy will beat MCranda in the comps at the end. Hands down. He knows what he's doing and there is no scenario where I don't see either McCrae or Andy winning this game, unles Helen goes on a winning streak.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359683]I don't need heroes and villains--at all. I'm rooting for whomever plays the best game regardless of my personal opinion of them. I don't have to like someone as a person to want to see them win--see Maggie who played a great game and still isn't given credit.[/QUOTE]
Maggie is a prime example. I do give her credit, but imagine how that season would have turned out without a Janelle, Kaysar, Rachel, etc. or if they had home early.
Why isn't Helen a "hero"? Or McCrae? Or Andy?
The villains are still in place--Amanda, Aaryn and Gina Maria
People just don't like the fact the good guys are working with the evil people
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359679]Who would he give that indication too? He needs to see what happens with Aaryn and Helen--if you get to the final 3 you just have to win the final HOH...that's all you could ever ask for.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't have to outright say it, but its just his undyimg loyalty to those two is frustrating, I don't get it. Amanda and MC would have no problem cutting him at a moments notice, yet he keeps ALL of his cards on the table... Like Jesus Andy, save some of it for the DR
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;359688]Maggie is a prime example. I do give her credit, but imagine how that season would have turned out without a Janelle, Kaysar, Rachel, etc. or if they had home early.[/QUOTE]
Janelle was an edit--not a hero.
Kaysar sucked at the game--he's essentially Judd
Rachel was a great player and left too early
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359690]He doesn't have to outright say it, but its just his undyimg loyalty to those two is frustrating, I don't get it. Amanda and MC would have no problem cutting him at a moments notice, yet he keeps ALL of his cards on the table... Like Jesus Andy, save some of it for the DR[/QUOTE]
What has he said to them that he shouldn't have? I'm truly confused
[QUOTE=kvm1977;359692]What has he said to them that he shouldn't have? I'm truly confused[/QUOTE]
Nothing specific, I just don't get the need to be that open with a couple... He has to know they don't keep him in the loop on everything.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359693]Amanda may be a raging ***** who I hate, but she's killing the game[/QUOTE]
She's Allison from Season 4--only Allison was a competitor.
[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;359690]He doesn't have to outright say it, but its just his undyimg loyalty to those two is frustrating, I don't get it. Amanda and MC would have no problem cutting him at a moments notice, yet he keeps ALL of his cards on the table... Like Jesus Andy, save some of it for the DR[/QUOTE]
He can beat them at comps in the end. Especially if he has Arryn there. That's why he is taking them, not because he thinks they will take him to final 2. Plus he will probably beat anyone in the final 2 except maybe Mccrea.
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