[QUOTE=Debut Album;399761]Doesn't matter. She sucks at the Final and nobody is calling her on it...And yet nobody is talking about Johnny Backpack either considering he skates to the final every time, Sure he'd go into eliminations but most of the time he's went up against people he obviously was going to beat the only time he's had some competition was CT on cutthroat and he LOST that one.[/QUOTE]
It does matter to many of us
Aneesa did suck in the final but she fought her way there
Johnny's seen many legit elimination--some he lost. Devyn's just sticking around because everyone knows she's awful
[QUOTE=jojorules;399772]For the people who want Mark back, why? you want him to come in and be in an immediate alliance with Johnny who most of you hate? He even is willing to lay down for him, so i don't see why you would want him back. He is basically another JEK member. Without Johnny definitely though[/QUOTE]
I don't hate Johnny--he's playing a game
I want Mark because he's a legit competitor even at his age. Hopefully he wouldn't get stuck with an insane Robin next time
Mark really isn't a member of JEK--he's just liked by everyone.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;399775]I don't hate Johnny--he's playing a game
I want Mark because he's a legit competitor even at his age. Hopefully he wouldn't get stuck with an insane Robin next time
Mark really isn't a member of JEK--he's just liked by everyone.[/QUOTE]
He always has Johnny's back, he has admitted it on podcasts and afterbuzz. He is liked by everyone, but he also is in that alliance first and foremost, it's very obvious if you really look at it. He plays like leroy does in a way, except he has side alliances, that is leroy's problem. Leroy assumes all his friends will have his back but never actually aligns with them. You have to get their words and know they will vote your way or else as we have seen, confusion can happen. Leroy will never win unless he learns to play the game a little. Flying under the radar never works in the long run for the W in the new era of challenges.
KVM i didn't mean you who hates johnny you are one of the few who don't
[QUOTE=jojorules;399777]He always has Johnny's back, he has admitted it on podcasts and afterbuzz. He is liked by everyone, but he also is in that alliance first and foremost, it's very obvious if you really look at it. He plays like leroy does in a way, except he has side alliances, that is leroy's problem. Leroy assumes all his friends will have his back but never actually aligns with them. You have to get their words and know they will vote your way or else as we have seen, confusion can happen. Leroy will never win unless he learns to play the game a little. Flying under the radar never works in the long run for the W in the new era of challenges.
KVM i didn't mean you who hates johnny you are one of the few who don't[/QUOTE]
Mark Long is the GODFATHER of the Challenges. Everyone likes him, he's a real competitor (if he isn't paired up with an ex like Robin), and is in incredible shape for his age. He's also one of the few people that has publicly stated that he wants a Duel 3 to happen more than once on twitter. Even if he's in an alliance with Johnny let's be honest, there's a lot of new kids especially since the Explosion kids are going to be doing challenges so who really is in Johnny's alliance? There's no more Kenny or Evan and probably no more Derrick or Evelyn ever again as well.
I would also love to see how he and older vets like Darrell and Brad would react to these new kids (Jordan, Johnny R., Zach) who think that they're hot **** because they're making a couple waves in this new era of Challenges.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399784]Mark Long is the GODFATHER of the Challenges. Everyone likes him, he's a real competitor (if he isn't paired up with an ex like Robin), and is in incredible shape for his age. He's also one of the few people that has publicly stated that he wants a Duel 3 to happen more than once on twitter. Even if he's in an alliance with Johnny let's be honest, there's a lot of new kids especially since the Explosion kids are going to be doing challenges so who really is in Johnny's alliance? There's no more Kenny or Evan and probably no more Derrick or Evelyn ever again as well.[/QUOTE]
So how is he not like JEK than. Evan and Kenny also could hold their own but were aligned with him and were hated. Mark is first and foremost aligned with JOhnny adn he also forms as many mini alliances as he can just like johnny. Like Theresa has been aligned with Johnny forever, she always says he never does her wrong, than why does he make finals and she doesn't? obviously their is a disconnect and the peole aligning need to take a look at themselves. My point is that i don't think johnny goes out of his way to protect her like she thinks.. Marks a good guy but his best friends from the show are johnny and them so he will have their back first
I would love to see Darrell who is a wildcard IMO 10x more than Mark. He would not take crap and would not be manipulated. He could also beat anyone in a final, so he would be a complete wildard all challenge kind of like CT on rivals 1
Also i think everyone should say thanks to Pinkrose for proving so many spoilers that otherwise we would not have gotten. I think as the season goes we will see how correct she was/is. You are awesome Pinkrose! We will get Mold's official spoilers, but we were spoiled before hand with such great info from her.
[QUOTE=jojorules;399785]So how is he not like JEK than. Evan and Kenny also could hold their own but were aligned with him and were hated. Mark is first and foremost aligned with JOhnny adn he also forms as many mini alliances and he can just like johnny. Like Theresa has been aligned with Johnny forever, she always says he never does her wrong, than why does he make finals and she doesn't? obviously their is a disconnect and the peole aligning need to take a look at themselves. My point is that i don't think johnny goes out of his way to protect her like she thinks..
I would love to see Darrell who is a wildcard IMO 10x more than Mark. He would not take crap and would not be manipulated. He could also beat anyone in a final, so he would be a complete wildard all challenge.
Also i think everyone should say thanks to Pinkrose for proving so many spoilers that otherwise we would not have gotten. I think as the season goes we will see how correct she was/is. You are awesome Pinkrose! We will get Mold's official spoilers, but we were spoiled before hand with such great info from her.[/QUOTE]
Okay Theresa, Camila and maybe CT if he's on the same challenge, will have Johnny's back but then who else? The explosion kids will stick together, judging by the trailer it seems like Jordan isn't too fond of Johnny, neither is Zach judging from Rivals 2. Johnny always has a target on his back because he doesn't have Evan, Kenny, Evelyn or Paula to have his back. If people on this challenge really hated Johnny and his alliances so much then they would try a lot harder to get him into an elimination, but that's not what we've seen in the past challenges now is it? These people are scared of Johnny and his mob, so be mad at them and not JEK.
And yup I agree with you on that.
And nah, I actually was hoping that this season would be a bit more secretive and we would have less spoilers. I think at least 2 of these elimination order spoilers aren't true or will be completely different when we see them.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399787]Okay Theresa, Camila and maybe CT if he's on the same challenge, will have Johnny's back but then who else? The explosion kids will stick together, judging by the trailer it seems like Jordan isn't too fond of Johnny, neither is Zach judging from Rivals 2. Johnny always has a target on his back because he doesn't have Evan, Kenny, Evelyn or Paula to have his back. If people on this challenge really hated Johnny and his alliances so much then they would try a lot harder to get him into an elimination, but that's not what we've seen in the past challenges now is it? These people are scared of Johnny and his mob, so be mad at them and not JEK.
And yup I agree with you on that.
And nah, I actually was wishing that this season would be a bit more secretive and we would have less spoilers. I think at least 2 of these elimination order spoilers aren't true or will be completely different when we see them.[/QUOTE]
First of all my point was never about Johnny and his alliances, it was about Mark and his. So i don't care about Zach, not that he is well rounded anyhow. My point was Mark was another ally of Johnny not a threat which is what people want, threats to him...CT also has tried to get rid of johnny a few times, so he is not a pushover, but mark i think is just a 100 percent ally and will never try to toss him in. I don't mind seeing him back, but let's face it he will not try to throw johnny in if that's what people are hoping
If you are so disappointed in spoilers being released, why are you checking the thread? You can wait for it air the cast was released long before when molds last posted. who's elimination orders are you referring to, becuase i mentioned one person Pinkrose. I trust her. May not be 100 percent, but it's as close as we will get till molds does the elimination list (which i am confident she will) but i respect what pinkrose has chosen to give us which she did not have to do
[QUOTE=jojorules;399788]First of all my point was never about Johnny and his alliances, it was about Mark and his. So i don't care about Zach, not that he is well rounded anyhow. My point was Mark was another ally of Johnny not a threat which is what people want, threats to him...CT also has tried to get rid of johnny a few times, so he is not a pushover, but mark i think is just a 100 percent ally and will never try to toss him in. I don't mind seeing him back, but let's face it he will not try to throw johnny in if that's what people are hoping
If you are so disappointed in spoilers being released, why are you checking the thread? You can wait for it air the cast was released long before when molds last posted. who's elimination orders are you referring to, becuase i mentioned one person Pinkrose. I trust her. May not be 100 percent, but it's as close as we will get till molds does the elimination list (which i am confident she will) but i respect what pinkrose has chosen to give us which she did not have to do[/QUOTE]
Who was hoping for Mark of all people to throw Johnny into an elimination anyways? It's so dumb that they're casting people like Brandon and Chet over someone who has a much larger fanbase and who can actually go toe to toe with these new kids.
And because there is no non-spoiler Free Agents thread created for who knows what reason. And yeah well I respect that kind of dedication too, I was just assuming that this challenge would be kept under wraps like how it was when news first broke out about it. Guess not. Maybe next challenge people will have a harder time trying to get spoilers.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399787]Okay Theresa, Camila and maybe CT if he's on the same challenge, will have Johnny's back but then who else? The explosion kids will stick together, judging by the trailer it seems like Jordan isn't too fond of Johnny, neither is Zach judging from Rivals 2. Johnny always has a target on his back because he doesn't have Evan, Kenny, Evelyn or Paula to have his back. If people on this challenge really hated Johnny and his alliances so much then they would try a lot harder to get him into an elimination, but that's not what we've seen in the past challenges now is it? These people are scared of Johnny and his mob, so be mad at them and not JEK.
And yup I agree with you on that.
And nah, I actually was hoping that this season would be a bit more secretive and we would have less spoilers. I think at least 2 of these elimination order spoilers aren't true or will be completely different when we see them.[/QUOTE]
Which two do you think aren't true? Just the order of them?
I trust PinkRose (and the few others) and it was awesome of her to tell us things she was hearing, but I also think that some of it is probably biased based on who told it to her. I have a hard time believing Johnny R. really did as good of a job as she/her source says but I'll probably be proven wrong.
Like when V1 was telling everybody that Cooke did a terrible job lol.
[QUOTE=thisismyuser;399795]Which two do you think aren't true? Just the order of them?
I trust PinkRose (and the few others) and it was awesome of her to tell us things she was hearing, but I also think that some of it is probably biased based on who told it to her. I have a hard time believing Johnny R. really did as good of a job as she/her source says but I'll probably be proven wrong.
Like when V1 was telling everybody that Cooke did a terrible job lol.[/QUOTE]
The one about CT and Leroy and the exact reason why Frank got out.
and lol don't know why people think that college and semi-pro athletes, especially from a sport like soccer, would do terrible on a Challenge.
Mark long is an honorary member of JEK, same with Derrick K. Most of these people make deals before the show and talk about splitting money, so even if you don't win the show you can make good money on every challenge you're on. The only reason people show up in the first place is to get money. So when people get mad at Mark, Derrick, Darrell or whoever for aligning with these people, its mainly to split money with each other because 99% of the time at least one of them is winning. In that google hangout thing, Kenny said Zach is a cool guy and if they were to do a challenge together, Kenny hopes Zach chooses the "right" side. CT then said, "Oh, is he on the pay roll now?" Kenny then laughed it off. Most of the time people don't get rid of Johnny because it's guaranteed money.
CT and Leroy and JB and who eliminated who has been basically the only uncertain. Also Johnny Reilly it's been said did great, but it coudl just mean by rookie standards like he made it that far and beat zach in a final. But it has been said he won an elimination. But it appears he beat zach, how can zach justify that in a final haha? It still hasn't been said if finals paired off, it seems to be it was individual but i still think it might be some shadiness to this final by the order. Or maybe it was very puzzle driven and Johnny got it right quick like Ct/wes did on rivals 2.
Closer, you are correct too, but people i think will be disappointed if they expect him to do anything else but try to fly under the radar and coast with his alliance. Because he wants to make the money..That's basically my point as well
[QUOTE=JayTee;399796]The one about CT and Leroy and the exact reason why Frank got out.
and lol don't know why people think that college and semi-pro athletes, especially from a sport like soccer, would do terrible on a Challenge.[/QUOTE]
CT/Leroy dont make the final thats the only thing I know, whovgoes home first no idea. I feel more secure about the female matchups.
About, Frank well you guys will see ;) He didnt go out on an elimination.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;399801]CT/Leroy dont make the final thats the only thing I know, whovgoes home first no idea. I feel more secure about the female matchups.
About, Frank well you guys will see ;) He didnt go out on an elimination.[/QUOTE]
I know they don't, lots of things point at it, but I honestly doubt CT would ever lose a 1v1 elimination and I'm sure production wouldn't even want that to happen either.
And that sucks.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399802]I know they don't, lots of things point at it, but I honestly doubt CT would ever lose a 1v1 elimination and I'm sure production wouldn't even want that to happen either.
And that sucks.[/QUOTE]
If he told them he's retiring they may. GIving him a puzzle seems to be the best way for him to lose honestly. So if they know they can't advertise him any longer he's useless to them so it's a bit odd it's rumored he lost in a puzzle and i haven't seen anyone else to be rumored to lose in a puzzle. so they almost created a new elimination for the last one it sounds like, shady stuff. I have no clue if it was a puzzle but it sounds like it was. HOpefully it was a combo of physical and puzzle though, but whoever beat him should be thankful it wasn't physical. I hope johnny beat him over zach, zach would talk more social media trash about it IMO. Johnny and CT are friends in real life, even though they play up like they aren't. Zach is basically a challenge fan before he was on the show, so he knows all about eveyroneo and was a fanatic. That's why he went on real world, Danni from BGC even said he admitted that to her.
[QUOTE=jojorules;399805]If he told them he's retiring they may. GIving him a puzzle seems to be the best way for him to lose honestly. So if they know they can't advertise him any longer he's useless to them so it's a bit odd it's rumored he lost in a puzzle and i haven't seen anyone else to be rumored to lose in a puzzle. so they almost created a new elimination for the last one it sounds like, shady stuff. I have no clue if it was a puzzle but it sounds like it was. HOpefully it was a combo of physical and puzzle though, but whoever beat him should be thankful it wasn't physical. I hope johnny beat him over zach, zach would talk more social media trash about it IMO. Johnny and CT are friends in real life, even though they play up like they aren't. Zach is basically a challenge fan before he was on the show, so he knows all about eveyroneo and was a fanatic. That's why he went on real world, Danni from BGC even said he admitted that to her.[/QUOTE]
I don't know but it's a real bummer imo that he doesn't make it to the finals. If he did lose then I hope it wasn't some elimination that production made up last minute, I want them to keep the Challenge "non-scripted" if that makes sense. If he did lose in something physical then just let it be. I swear maybe if he shaved that beard he would have carried less weight and made it to the final.
And come on you know you would also try to be on the real world just to have a chance of being on a Challenge :congratulatory:. Most of us would.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;399761]Doesn't matter. She sucks at the Final and nobody is calling her on it...And yet nobody is talking about [B]Johnny[/B] Backpack either considering he [B]skates to the final every time[/B], Sure he'd go into eliminations but most of the time he's went up against people he obviously was going to beat the only time he's had some competition was CT on cutthroat and he LOST that one.[/QUOTE]
Please explain this. Lets go through his 6 challenge where he made it to the end and see when he skated to the end:
The Inferno 3- he won the most life shields on his team and was never sent in by the Bad *****, so the opposing team LET his "skate" to the end. But his defense he won more lifesheilds that anyone on his team.
The Island- once again, his fellow cast members LET him get to where he got. They could have gotten him voted out in Episode 2 but they didn't, this resulting in him getting a key. He won a face off and earned his key back.
The Ruins- his team won majority of the challenges and when he was in deliberation, Wes volunteered himself in Episode 2, Darrell voted himself in Episode 4, Syrus was voted in by the team in Episode 6, and he was voted in Episode 8 where he WON an elimination round and kept himself in the game.
Rivals- Tyler and him won majority of the guys challenges and when he did go into the Jungle he beat on of the best challengers in the history of the challenge.
Battle of the Exes- once again Camila and him won majority of the challenges and he defeated Mark in the final Dome of the season.
Rivals II- the girls LET him skate to the end.
I think a lot of people have this notion that just because a player gets to the end without going into an elimination round it means that they "skate" to the end, which is funny to me because everyone *****es about people like Kenny, Evan, and Johnny "skating" to the end, but they never mention Darrell on The Gauntlet, The Inferno, and The Inferno II. Landon on The Gauntlet 2. Abram on The Inferno. Derrick on The Ruins. Leroy & Mike on Rivals. Jenn on any of her finals. CT on Exes. Plenty of more to mention.
Kenny was interviewed with bus drivers route will be posted tomorrow... I expect lots of spoilers he makes it pretty obvious.. Basically expect ct bashing and how jb is best all around etc
[QUOTE=jojorules;399818]Kenny was interviewed with bus drivers route will be posted tomorrow... I expect lots of spoilers he makes it pretty obvious.. Basically expect ct bashing and how jb is best all around etc[/QUOTE]
I just want him to say that BMP has given him the green light and that he'll be back for another challenge.
wishful thinking.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399819]I just want him to say that BMP has given him the green light and that he'll be back for another challenge.
wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]
Agreed! If what he is saying true, which many think are not but maybe they were only banned for a certain number of years and that number of years is up or something, who knows! But if its another individual challenge next season they need Wes and Kenny! Then hopefully add Mark in with Brad and Darrell as surprises and we got a epic show!
If CT honestly loses a physical 1-on-1 elimination round, that would be so sad to watch. Kind of like Muhammad Ali getting his butt kicked in his final few matches.
[QUOTE=jojorules;399818]Kenny was interviewed with bus drivers route will be posted tomorrow... I expect lots of spoilers he makes it pretty obvious.. Basically expect ct bashing and how jb is best all around etc[/QUOTE]
I dont get why kenny keeps doing this interviews about the challenges, I bet he is going to say that he is no longer interested, that he did recieve a call for this challenge but he said no,and that he has moved on, yet he keeps doing interviews.
The only good thing about this interview is that there's a chance that we might get the winner, kenny can confirm or hint if it was johnny b.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399807]I don't know but it's a real bummer imo that he doesn't make it to the finals. If he did lose then I hope it wasn't some elimination that production made up last minute, I want them to keep the Challenge "non-scripted" if that makes sense.[/QUOTE]
I too hope the Challenge stays unscripted. But who knows? The new Real World Explosion felt more produced/coached and was obviously casted a little differently than the old versions.
For this Challenge, it would be really easy for the producers to manipulate the match-ups for eliminations. For example, if all the cards are face down, it would be hard to know if there weren't multiple versions of the player's card that would lead to an interesting or dramatic face-off. Also, if they know certain castmates are leaving/retiring, and they want to work to promote new talent or new potential fan favorites (like Nany or Devyn or Johnny R.) they could keep their cards out of match-ups to get them to the final.
It seems like CT needed some convincing to do this challenge and may be leaving the series sooner than later, but Johnny Bananas is happy to keep doing these and it's helpful for production to keep someone like Bananas that everyone can root against.
I have absolutely no idea if this actually happened with the Challenge. Maybe nothing was manipulated or coached. But I have a cousin who has done editing for a few Apprentice shows, and it's really blown my mind how much he's shared how these shows are moving towards being "story-lined", how characters are "created" by editing, and how much "coaching" is done of the talent.
Also, talent is often coached to build up drama prior to the show to start twitter beefs that appear out of nowhere (like Jamie on Real World with Hailey, when Hailey said on spreecast they were cool during filming and then out of nowhere the twitter attacks from Jamie started when the show aired.)
But that said, I really hope this show stays less scripted/unscripted! But I've become a bit skeptical/cynical after watching how Real World has changed.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;399797]Mark long is an honorary member of JEK, same with Derrick K. Most of these people make deals before the show and talk about[B] splitting money[/B], so even if you don't win the show you can make good money on every challenge you're on. The only reason people show up in the first place is to get money. So when people get mad at Mark, Derrick, Darrell or whoever for aligning with these people, its mainly to split money with each other because 99% of the time at least one of them is winning. In that google hangout thing, Kenny said Zach is a cool guy and if they were to do a challenge together, Kenny hopes Zach chooses the "right" side. CT then said, "Oh, is he on the pay roll now?" Kenny then laughed it off. Most of the time people don't get rid of Johnny because it's guaranteed money.[/QUOTE]
i would be very surprised by that, beceause in their contract it says that they will lose their money, and maybe even banned. I could be wrong
[QUOTE=Kripsters1;399833]i would be very surprised by that, beceause in their contract it says that they will lose their money, and maybe even banned. I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
They still have done it lol Robin was the one that started the rumor that Mark got some of Johnny's winning money for throwing his elimination on exes.
[QUOTE=JayTee;399819]I just want him to say that BMP has given him the green light and that he'll be back for another challenge.
wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]
During Rivals II in his Bus Driver's Route interview he said he was contacted for Rivals II. He might have said BOTS as well, but I can't remember.
[QUOTE=TexasFight88;399839]During Rivals II in his Bus Driver's Route interview he said he was contacted for Rivals II. He might have said BOTS as well, but I can't remember.[/QUOTE]
He and Evan constantly say they've been invited back. Trying to make themselves sound like they aren't banned.. They won't be on another challenge.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;399808]Please explain this. Lets go through his 6 challenge where he made it to the end and see when he skated to the end:
The Inferno 3- he won the most life shields on his team and was never sent in by the Bad *****, so the opposing team LET his "skate" to the end. But his defense he won more lifesheilds that anyone on his team.
The Island- once again, his fellow cast members LET him get to where he got. They could have gotten him voted out in Episode 2 but they didn't, this resulting in him getting a key. He won a face off and earned his key back.
The Ruins- his team won majority of the challenges and when he was in deliberation, Wes volunteered himself in Episode 2, Darrell voted himself in Episode 4, Syrus was voted in by the team in Episode 6, and he was voted in Episode 8 where he WON an elimination round and kept himself in the game.
Rivals- Tyler and him won majority of the guys challenges and when he did go into the Jungle he beat on of the best challengers in the history of the challenge.
Battle of the Exes- once again Camila and him won majority of the challenges and he defeated Mark in the final Dome of the season.
Rivals II- the girls LET him skate to the end.
I think a lot of people have this notion that just because a player gets to the end without going into an elimination round it means that they "skate" to the end, which is funny to me because everyone *****es about people like Kenny, Evan, and Johnny "skating" to the end, but they never mention Darrell on The Gauntlet, The Inferno, and The Inferno II. Landon on The Gauntlet 2. Abram on The Inferno. Derrick on The Ruins. Leroy & Mike on Rivals. Jenn on any of her finals. CT on Exes. Plenty of more to mention.[/QUOTE]
You Basically proved my point. He skates by almost every challenge and most of the time the cast allows him too. Him winnning challenges and being a good competitor doesn't matter. Plenty of people have been good at challenges yet still get sent in time after time.
Oh and that Ct/Adam Jungle doesn't count because Adam ****ed that one up purposely. And That One Exile doesn't count either because Mark let him win.
Oh and the reason nobody talks about the people you listed is because they're either no longer relevant to the challenges or they aren't annoying *******s who think they're famous....Well that's at least why i don't bring them up
[QUOTE=Morris1721;399840]He and Evan constantly say they've been invited back. Trying to make themselves sound like they aren't banned.. They won't be on another challenge.[/QUOTE]
I mean how long are they banned for?
[QUOTE=TexasFight88;399839]During Rivals II in his Bus Driver's Route interview he said he was contacted for Rivals II. He might have said BOTS as well, but I can't remember.[/QUOTE]
He is not going to say he is banned same with Evan lol
They are a liabilities to production, so for right now get to see them on specials or online stuff. But not going away for 6 weeks to film a season.
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