[QUOTE=toenails;408244]Oh Kenny and Evan...WHY OH WHY did you do this...now we're stuck with Jordan and Zach.[/QUOTE]
Jordan and Zach aren't nearly as bad as those Idiots.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;408255]Jordan and Zach aren't nearly as bad as those Idiots.[/QUOTE]
Well Zach isn't doing anything but being big. And Jordan isn't doing anything but running his mouth. So of course they're not "as bad as those idiots". It's hard to "hate" on someone when they aren't doing anything big. Kenny and Evan actually dominated season after season.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;408289]Well Zach isn't doing anything but being big. And Jordan isn't doing anything but running his mouth. So of course they're not "as bad as those idiots". It's hard to "hate" on someone when they aren't doing anything big. Kenny and Evan actually dominated season after season.[/QUOTE]
Kenny never dominated anything. He is good at making it to the end by politics but he was never one of the top players during any season he was on. He couldn't even win Fresh Meat 2 with Laurel as his partner. Evan was pretty dominant on Fresh Meat but he wasn't dominant on the Duel or Duel 2.On the Ruins he did well but had ****ty competition. Plus Kenny and Evan are ******** for what they did to Tonya.
[QUOTE=EskimoToe;408296]Kenny never dominated anything. He is good at making it to the end by politics but he was never one of the top players during any season he was on. He couldn't even win Fresh Meat 2 with Laurel as his partner. Evan was pretty dominant on Fresh Meat but he wasn't dominant on the Duel or Duel 2.[/QUOTE]
Wait, so Kenny and Laurel won a good amount of missions/eliminations on Fresh Meat 2 and actually made it to the end and you say he wasn't dominant? And Evan won a good amount of missions (taking to account Fresh Meat had twice the amount of missions as Fresh Meat 2), only made it halfway, and you call him dominant?
What?
This isn't the point of this topic but also Laurel was the weak link in the FM2 final...so I'm not sure what "couldn't even win with Laurel" means. Laurel admitted on that show to not being a distance runner. Landon would beat Kenny one on one in a final but Laurel absolutely weighed him down (in the final).
[QUOTE=JL81790;408302]This isn't the point of this topic but also Laurel was the weak link in the FM2 final...so I'm not sure what "couldn't even win with Laurel" means. Laurel admitted on that show to not being a distance runner. Landon would beat Kenny one on one in a final but Laurel absolutely weighed him down (in the final).[/QUOTE]
What's shocking it's Landon had Carley and he still won. Maybe Laurel wasn't the best on the final, but you can't blame it all on her.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;408304]What's shocking it's Landon had Carley and he still won. Maybe Laurel wasn't the best on the final, but you can't blame it all on her.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, I don't. I just thought the prior post was suggesting that Kenny was the anchor. Kenny is one of the best at finals ever...he was no weak link.
[QUOTE=JL81790;408308]Oh no, I don't. I just thought the prior post was suggesting that Kenny was the anchor. Kenny is one of the best at finals ever...he was no weak link.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with you, he is like the male Diem, does decently on missions but is a monster in finals. I think he deserved to win Rivals, and he would have if it wasn't for the whole head start thing.
[QUOTE=Meelz;408300]Wait, so Kenny and Laurel won a good amount of missions/eliminations on Fresh Meat 2 and actually made it to the end and you say he wasn't dominant? And Evan won a good amount of missions (taking to account Fresh Meat had twice the amount of missions as Fresh Meat 2), only made it halfway, and you call him dominant?
What?[/QUOTE]
Evan only made it halfway on FM because he and Coral both got hurt but they were dominating. If Kenny was dominate as the original poster said he should have been able to win with Laurel in the final against Landon who had a bad partner. Kenny is good in finals but that's about it. He and Wes wouldn't have made the finals on Rivals if it wasn't for Wes saving their *** in the elimination against Brandon and Ty. But it doesn't really matter what our opinions of Evan and Kenny are because they are banned for being ******** for what they did on the Ruins. Jordan and Zach certainly aren't as bad as Kenny and Evan which was what originally brought up in this thread.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;408317]I do agree with you, he is like the male Diem, does decently on missions but is a monster in finals. I think he deserved to win Rivals, and he would have if it wasn't for the whole head start thing.[/QUOTE]
While I hate Kenny to a T please don't put Diem in the same sentence as him much less bump her head up as well.
I miss Kenny and Evan. The show isn't the same without them. I'm not saying what they did was right by any means but the show is lacking entertainment/humor.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;408338]I miss Kenny and Evan. The show isn't the same without them. I'm not saying what they did was right by any means but the show is lacking entertainment/humor.[/QUOTE]
I beg to differ.
[QUOTE=EskimoToe;408296]Kenny never dominated anything. [B]He is good at making it to the end by politics[/B] but he was never one of the top players during any season he was on. He couldn't even win Fresh Meat 2 with Laurel as his partner. Evan was pretty dominant on Fresh Meat but he wasn't dominant on the Duel or Duel 2.On the Ruins he did well but had ****ty competition. Plus Kenny and Evan are ******** for what they did to Tonya.[/QUOTE]
That's a HUGE part of the game. And that's dominating. The actual challenges aren't as important as the relationships you make. Usually. Obviously that doesn't apply to Free Agents.
And Evan won the most missions on Duel and the most eliminations on Duel 2 and won the final.
[URL="http://http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/confessions_of_a_serial_reality_tv_star/"]http://http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/confessions_of_a_serial_reality_tv_star/[/URL] Another side of the story
Interesting piece by Susie. Also interesting that Kenny just retweeted it, and her comment "I support you 100% brother":
Retweeted by Kenny Santucci
Susie Meister @susie_meister 1h
@KennySantucci Here is my @Salon article. I support you 100%, brother.
[url=http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/confessions_of_a_serial_reality_tv_star/]Confessions of a serial reality TV star - Salon.com[/url] …
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So Susie was in the room where the incident allegedly happened, and she saw nothing. Tonya obviously does not have first-hand recollection of what happened, so either the person who told her about it is lying, or Susie is lying. Susie sounds like an honest person so I think she is telling the truth.
[QUOTE=toenails;409194]So Susie was in the room where the incident allegedly happened, and she saw nothing. Tonya obviously does not have first-hand recollection of what happened, so either the person who told her about it is lying, or Susie is lying. Susie sounds like an honest person so I think she is telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
Susie is also friends with kenny and evan, and that article was writing to support in a way kenny and evan.
[QUOTE=stuufman;409201]Susie is also friends with kenny and evan.[/QUOTE]
Susie's also pretty clearly an appropriately moral human being. Friend or not I'm sure if she saw someone sticking something in an unconscious girl's ****** she likely would've stopped it.
[QUOTE=PlatosCave;409193]Interesting piece by Susie. Also interesting that Kenny just retweeted it, and her comment "I support you 100% brother":
Retweeted by Kenny Santucci
Susie Meister @susie_meister 1h
@KennySantucci Here is my @Salon article. I support you 100%, brother.
[URL="http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/confessions_of_a_serial_reality_tv_star/"]Confessions of a serial reality TV star - Salon.com[/URL] …
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She's officially now on my **** list.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;409238]She's officially now on my **** list.[/QUOTE]
I read the article and it sounded like a really good read until the Tonya part. Really, she should've just left it out completely. I don't know why she felt it was necessary to include that after her recollection of what happened to her on the Inferno 3 with Ace, which also wasn't captured on camera. You'd think she'd have more empathy with Tonya regarding that.
I really wish they would just disclose what evidence Tonya's prosecution team has to support their side of the story. Because at this point it's all he-said-she-said. People are so quick to believe Tonya's allegations just because she's a woman, but the reality is that many woman [B]do lie[/B] about getting sexually assaulted, so there needs to be some hard empirical evidence on the table, and not just emotions.
"I returned to my life as a doctoral student, and was surprised two years later to see on TMZ that one of the cast members on that show was alleging that a sexual assault occurred on that season, in my bedroom, while I was in it, at the hands of two of my best friends."
Who knew her and Kenny and evan were so close?
I'll be interested to see the reactions around here if in some time we found out this was fabricated. If you can pull two sentences out of an article that seems to be fairly empowering to women and actually defends Tonya about her overall treatment by production/cast and call her irresponsible for it you're pretty far gone.
According to her she was in the room, with Kenny, Evan, and Tonya at the time and didn't see anything happen. Two people were branded as rapists based on what Tonya said. It would be irresponsible of her to just blindly agree with that assertion, despite what she believes to be the truth, out of some gender solidarity, in the same way that I wouldn't defend their innocence if I knew they were guilty just because we're all guys. Right/wrong are right/wrong regardless of gender.
Again, I find both sides claims to be believable (not BMP/MTV's assertion that "anything that happened to Tonya, she asked for"...that was disgusting). Susie has just as much right to say how she felt about the situation as those that believe Tonya. She shouldn't feel pressured not to because they both have ******s.
[QUOTE=toenails;409252]I really wish they would just disclose what evidence Tonya's prosecution team has to support their side of the story. Because at this point it's all he-said-she-said. People are so quick to believe Tonya's allegations just because she's a woman, but the reality is that many woman [B]do lie[/B] about getting sexually assaulted, so there needs to be some hard empirical evidence on the table, and not just emotions.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf[/url]Research shows[/url] that only 2-8% of women lie about sexual assault. Could Tonya be one of them? Perhaps. But the myth that "many women lie about it" is false and perpetuated by underlying misogynistic and patriarchal beliefs in our society (not blaming you - just blaming society as a whole!)
[QUOTE=Youssarian;409270][URL="http://ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf[/url"]Research shows[/URL] that only 2-8% of women lie about sexual assault. Could Tonya be one of them? Perhaps. But the myth that "many women lie about it" is false and perpetuated by underlying misogynistic and patriarchal beliefs in our society (not blaming you - just blaming society as a whole!)[/QUOTE]
2-8% of women would still be several million women. So I would still consider that "many women" since the word "many" refers to a large number, and several million women lying is definitely large.
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