The Challenge: Battle of the Exes 2 - Total Eclipse of the Heart

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Long time lurker first time poster. I loved this episode. Seeing Theresa get what was coming to her was priceless. She really needs to stop the tears. Who cares if Jordan called her a *****. She should have come back at him instead of bawling.

My thoughts on the remaining teams:

- Jordan is arrogant and Sarah gets on my nerves.

- Bananas can be funny but needs to retire. I like the fact that Nany will stick up for herself and has a fiesty temper.

- I actually like Jay he seems chill but Jenna reminds me of someone who needs a cork on the end of her fork so she doesn't poke herself in the eye.

- Wes is a **** but he knows how to play the game. I have met him before in Kansas City and he is nothing like he is on TV. Theresa needs to stop fuc#$ng whining and grow a set. She is way too shady for my taste.

- I love Leroy this season. In the past he was always laid back so seeing him fired up is awesome. Hurricane Nia is in full force. Nany better take several seats cause she doesn't play.

Also glad see Zach finally gone. He obviously eats a bowl of **** for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I hope he never comes back. After all the mental abuse he gave Jonna all season and then seeing him scream at her as she fell atleast 10 feet helplessly to the ground...just ugh. She should have junk puched him and walked out of the dome. Hope to see her back because she such a sweetheart.

**** you are hilarious and I love it!!!

This girl I work with Is named Stephenie but I call her step on me XD

Wow, as someone who roots for Wes that twist did not go well for him. Almost as bad as possible and then it kinda piled on from there. Leroy immedietly was 99% less of an ally, then they have one of the first challenges where you can be teamed up on. It seemed like a perfect storm. And then they get thrown in against probably the most physically strong team and draw a dome where it's 1 on 1 physical matchups. The contrast being that before the twist he thought he was top 4 with a pretty solid ally in Leroy/Nia. Not a good set of circumstances for Wes at all. And this presumes a little, but it seems that the eliminated team obviously won't get a Exile/second chance. I still can't find a way to love that set-up. It makes being eliminated in the Zach/Jonna spot a better chance than the team eliminated next. My dislike is probably only happening because it didn't work well for teams I like more, but I'm still not sure it's good. Fun episode overall though. I just feel like Leroy/Nia, Wes/Theresa, Jordan/Sarah was the "right final" and I wanted to see it go that way. Having a team that has been elimated or Jay/Jenna in will be at least one team I won't be wanting to win.

 

I think Bananas said something like 'I will never work with him'. That's a Rivals 3 flashback clip lol.

Wes has done a good job this season. He played all the cards he could, performed to the best of his ability, and still gets screwed over by this dumb *** twist. I really thought Ex-ile would be great, 'til I had to witness Bananas and Nany win that Ex-ile. It was annoying, plus when he got back to the house, Leroy and Jordan did nothing but lick his balls the entire way time, especially when I thought Leroy would honor their deal (though if he had, and the outcome was going to be Jordan/Sarah anyway, I don't see a difference in how this could have gone down.)

Rewatching the Nia vs Johnny/Nany fight, Nany literally came out of nowhere. Nia was saying "I'll *** you up everytime champ [directed at Bananas]" and Nany comes out of nowhere saying "I NEVER SAID I WAS A CHAMPION". Well, duh Nany, you're not, you've never won a challenge so of course she wasn't speaking to you. She inserted herself into an argument that could have been avoided.

Nia is such an evil cowardice *****. She makes great TV though, but the fact that she has so many fans prove how stupid some people really are. I don't hate the chick, just her personality on these shows. "Ms. Storm" is so pathetic. You can't sit here and go off on everybody and your *** couldn't even stand up on the **** ledge. Funny how in the other thread everyone was defending her talking about how great of a competitor she was and how she's proven herself when she hasn't proven shit. Fam, you can't even stand up on the ledge? Really???? No no no... REALLY?!?!? It should've been "Hurricane Leroy" if anything. I'd be so ****** at her to the point of unforgiveness especially this late in the game.

Nia has proven nothing and is only this fierce competitor she thinks she is cuz she's tall, black and manipulative. There's so many contradictions to point out about this deliberation. Knowing **** well her and Leroy would've thrown Jordan in before Bananas came back and even after he did. But like I said, she makes good TV so I guess her being a drama queen does something for the show, but all in all this chick gets way too much undeserved credit. Had it have been Theresa who couldn't stand up she'd be getting so much shit. But since it's Nia it's "Omg Hurricane Nia I love her so much OMMGGGZZZZ she's hilarious and so amazing" Please.... could care less about her argument with Nany cuz it's basically the pot calling the kettle black. They're both *****.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

If you don't get your super bitter *** the whole **** off my comment...Seeing as how she's been your whole reason for existing on Vevmo I won't even respond to this BS bc I would be wasting my time.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

i see slight growth but then again I thnk she was playing a character on her season so maybe she didn't grow and is just the same person? I agree with the part about people being blinded when it comes to Nia. Anything she does people go wild for saying she "slayed". If anyone else did that little rant like she did everyone would have jumped at their throats saying "get over it you got voted in you suck" all this stuff but because Nia did it she is a queen.  Imagine if Theresa or Nany did that? People would be bugging out on them. I like Nia but it's her own fault she should have competed if she cared that much about being voted in. Notice how Leroy is quiet? It's their own fault for basically giving Jordan the power to vote them in. 

I actually kinda agree what Theresa said. The one time Bananas was eliminated, he gets to come back. Ofc he's been eliminated before but i'm talking about the recent seasons. I liked the idea of the ex-ile but i didn't like the outcome.

And I think it's funny to think that last season, Bananas and Nany voted in Cara Maria over Theresa. I'd like to see that vote go down again with the current circumstances.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

i see slight growth but then again I thnk she was playing a character on her season so maybe she didn't grow and is just the same person? I agree with the part about people being blinded when it comes to Nia. Anything she does people go wild for saying she "slayed". If anyone else did that little rant like she did everyone would have jumped at their throats saying "get over it you got voted in you suck" all this stuff but because Nia did it she is a queen.  Imagine if Theresa or Nany did that? People would be bugging out on them. I like Nia but it's her own fault she should have competed if she cared that much about being voted in. Notice how Leroy is quiet? It's their own fault for basically giving Jordan the power to vote them in. 

 

And she's absolutely playing a character. That's why she kept getting all her minions on twitter to get excited for this "Hurricane Nia" garbage cuz a lot of her fans seem to gravitate toward the negative side of her. Go to Bad Girls Club with that bs.

Just like Jordan said this episode.. "This is the REAL Nia I know and hate"

Theresa always gets screwed right before the finals by production smh.

1. Cutthroat , bringing in Tina for her elimination.

2. Free Agents , Surprise elimination before final.

3. Exes 2 , Battle of the Ex-iled 

While I admit she plays a shady game at times , production definitely  screws with her the most.

Theresa always gets screwed right before the finals by production smh.

1. Cutthroat , bringing in Tina for her elimination.

2. Free Agents , Surprise elimination before final.

3. Exes 2 , Battle of the Ex-iled 

While I admit she plays a shady game at times , production definitely  screws with her the most.

ill give you 1 since supposedly Tina let Tori win but everyone was affected by 2 and 3 not just her. It sucks that in those circumstances she lost on Free Agents but she could have won and she could win next week. Can't really blame a twist when she still has a shot at winning if she loses that's her own fault. 

I totally agree with Theresa. I think that twist with exile is not fair when not all teams get the chance to come back. I also do not like how all that great job that Wes has done this season got taken away in a second.

And after this episode I really do not like Nany. All her attitude just so annoying. She did nothing particular amazing this season, as well as Bananas. Wes and Theresa won most of the challenges, won the hardest one and were close to winning in others. Wes played good political game, coming to this house with no allies.

Team Wes!

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

i see slight growth but then again I thnk she was playing a character on her season so maybe she didn't grow and is just the same person? I agree with the part about people being blinded when it comes to Nia. Anything she does people go wild for saying she "slayed". If anyone else did that little rant like she did everyone would have jumped at their throats saying "get over it you got voted in you suck" all this stuff but because Nia did it she is a queen.  Imagine if Theresa or Nany did that? People would be bugging out on them. I like Nia but it's her own fault she should have competed if she cared that much about being voted in. Notice how Leroy is quiet? It's their own fault for basically giving Jordan the power to vote them in. 

It was manly her putting Bananas in check that made me appreciate her tbh but her telling Nany about herself was also needed because Nany has gotten a little too cocky for my liking not saying Nia is better or worse but I enjoyed seeing someone calling them out instead of sucking Bananas ****.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

If you don't get your super bitter *** the whole **** off my comment...Seeing as how she's been your whole reason for existing on Vevmo I won't even respond to this BS bc I would be wasting my time.


You shouldn't, at this point he's just on the forum to troll and do incredibly in depth on his Hatred for Nany/Nia lol.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

If you don't get your super bitter *** the whole **** off my comment...Seeing as how she's been your whole reason for existing on Vevmo I won't even respond to this BS bc I would be wasting my time.

You shouldn't, at this point he's just on the forum to troll and do incredibly in depth on his Hatred for Nany/Nia lol.

**** I've been peeping his posts...a good 99% of them are about those two. He's shown to be more of a fan than any of people he's talking about.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

If you don't get your super bitter *** the whole **** off my comment...Seeing as how she's been your whole reason for existing on Vevmo I won't even respond to this BS bc I would be wasting my time.

You shouldn't, at this point he's just on the forum to troll and do incredibly in depth on his Hatred for Nany/Nia lol.

I'm not trolling anybody. I'm just pointing out all the hypocrisy I keep seeing. Just cuz I'm not one of the many people here treating Nia like this queen goddess on a pedestal doesn't make me a troll. Everyone seems to gravitate towards Nia's negative energy and when I or any other poster point out her negativity we get ganged up on. From now on though, I'll only point out facts and leave my opinion out of it... but then again it would pretty much be the same thing lol. Tootles.

I don't feel bad for Theresa. She plays a shitty political game and cries all the time. She was already mentally checked out as soon as BaNany came back. She looked so pathetic.

I actually kinda agree what Theresa said. The one time Bananas was eliminated, he gets to come back. Ofc he's been eliminated before but i'm talking about the recent seasons. I liked the idea of the ex-ile but i didn't like the outcome.

And I think it's funny to think that last season, Bananas and Nany voted in Cara Maria over Theresa. I'd like to see that vote go down again with the current circumstances.

On paper the idea of the ex-ile is really good, but the way it went down was a complete fail. The Ex-ile team had a wayyy better living-contitions than the ones in the house, the competitions were really just complete bullshit besides maybe only two, but even them weren't really entertaining to watch (not counting Knot so Fast) and the biggest fail is, whoever does get eliminated now, doesn't even have the chance to participate in the Ex-ile, so that isn't even fair playing field to one couple. After watching this episode, there's your reason why production should never ever use something like this again and willingly put their hands on the game.
Sure, Bananas and Nany were back through this twist, but they went against three rookie teams in the ex-ile which shouldn't be something to brag about.  

This twist just screwed up a very good game (the best in the house) and Wes/Theresa definitely deserves to win the elimination round, it just sucks that Leroy/Nia are in it, too.
I got to say that Jordan is one helluva political player. First he was "best teams in the final" and then "I want to win $$$".

I think it's crazy that Wes/Leroy/Jay are being portraited as the faces of this season while everyother male acts like a/the villian.   

I do think the Exile team should have came in for the last elimination and whoever won that went to the finals. It didn't really make sense to bring them back then but I guess they wanted them back in the house to do challenges to start a lot of drama.

I actually kinda agree what Theresa said. The one time Bananas was eliminated, he gets to come back. Ofc he's been eliminated before but i'm talking about the recent seasons. I liked the idea of the ex-ile but i didn't like the outcome.

And I think it's funny to think that last season, Bananas and Nany voted in Cara Maria over Theresa. I'd like to see that vote go down again with the current circumstances.

On paper the idea of the ex-ile is really good, but the way it went down was a complete fail. The Ex-ile team had a wayyy better living-contitions than the ones in the house, the competitions were really just complete bullshit besides maybe only two, but even them weren't really entertaining to watch (not counting Knot so Fast) and the biggest fail is, whoever does get eliminated now, doesn't even have the chance to participate in the Ex-ile, so that isn't even fair playing field to one couple. After watching this episode, there's your reason why production should never ever use something like this again and willingly put their hands on the game.
Sure, Bananas and Nany were back through this twist, but they went against three rookie teams in the ex-ile which shouldn't be something to brag about.  

This twist just screwed up a very good game (the best in the house) and Wes/Theresa definitely deserves to win the elimination round, it just sucks that Leroy/Nia are in it, too.
I got to say that Jordan is one helluva political player. First he was "best teams in the final" and then "I want to win $$$".

I think it's crazy that Wes/Leroy/Jay are being portraited as the faces of this season while everyother male acts like a/the villian.   

All of this but especially the bolded. Pale & Fail were robbed so badly. Regardless of how myself & others might feel about either of the two they played the shit out of this season, all for it to be taken away by this lame twist. On top of that, they don't even get a chance to redeem themselves. It's bullshit.

So does anybody still believe those Exiles weren't set up for Johnny/Nany to coast through them, especially after all the drama their re-entry caused? lol

So does anybody still believe those Exiles weren't set up for Johnny/Nany to coast through them, especially after all the drama their re-entry caused? lol

I don't think it was at first. I mean I would honestly favor Adam against Johnny in a physical elimination before I watched that. But I feel like the last one, where Nany had won before in the same event, definitely favored them. That was obvious.

I actually kinda agree what Theresa said. The one time Bananas was eliminated, he gets to come back. Ofc he's been eliminated before but i'm talking about the recent seasons. I liked the idea of the ex-ile but i didn't like the outcome.

And I think it's funny to think that last season, Bananas and Nany voted in Cara Maria over Theresa. I'd like to see that vote go down again with the current circumstances.

On paper the idea of the ex-ile is really good, but the way it went down was a complete fail. The Ex-ile team had a wayyy better living-contitions than the ones in the house, the competitions were really just complete bullshit besides maybe only two, but even them weren't really entertaining to watch (not counting Knot so Fast) and the biggest fail is, whoever does get eliminated now, doesn't even have the chance to participate in the Ex-ile, so that isn't even fair playing field to one couple. After watching this episode, there's your reason why production should never ever use something like this again and willingly put their hands on the game.
Sure, Bananas and Nany were back through this twist, but they went against three rookie teams in the ex-ile which shouldn't be something to brag about.  

This twist just screwed up a very good game (the best in the house) and Wes/Theresa definitely deserves to win the elimination round, it just sucks that Leroy/Nia are in it, too.
I got to say that Jordan is one helluva political player. First he was "best teams in the final" and then "I want to win $$$".

I think it's crazy that Wes/Leroy/Jay are being portraited as the faces of this season while everyother male acts like a/the villian.   

Wes is portraited as the mastermind villain...Jay only got camara when he was kissing Jonna or people wanting to carry his weak team to the end.

I agree with Leroy

So does anybody still believe those Exiles weren't set up for Johnny/Nany to coast through them, especially after all the drama their re-entry caused? lol

I think BMP/MTV wanted Wes/Theresa, Bananas/Nany, CT/Diem and Jordan/Sarah in the final. They created the twist just to make sure nobody from this group goes home early.

This episode just confirms for me that Jordan was (& probably will always) be by far the worst person to come from Portland. People just didn't know how to take someone like Nia back then, but she's shown a lot of growth since that season in many ways. Jordan is STILL that same *******; no growth in any way.

What show are you watching? Did you not just see what happened this episode? Was that growth? She failed miserably, didn't get her way, and like the same spoiled bratty girl she was on her season she goes off on everyone over it. Again, STOP GIVING NIA ALL THIS UNDESERVED CREDIT!

Some of you are so blinded and infatuated with this girl and I can't understand why. Someone who's showing growth wouldn't have reacted the way she did this episode.

If you don't get your super bitter *** the whole **** off my comment...Seeing as how she's been your whole reason for existing on Vevmo I won't even respond to this BS bc I would be wasting my time.

You shouldn't, at this point he's just on the forum to troll and do incredibly in depth on his Hatred for Nany/Nia lol.

I'm not trolling anybody. I'm just pointing out all the hypocrisy I keep seeing. Just cuz I'm not one of the many people here treating Nia like this queen goddess on a pedestal doesn't make me a troll. Everyone seems to gravitate towards Nia's negative energy and when I or any other poster point out her negativity we get ganged up on. From now on though, I'll only point out facts and leave my opinion out of it... but then again it would pretty much be the same thing lol. Tootles.


No, facts and opinions are different, do you not get that? Also yeah its hard to take you seriously when you post about how Nany is wrong to go on Challenges to make friends and how Nia is terrible for going off on Sarah.

So does anybody still believe those Exiles weren't set up for Johnny/Nany to coast through them, especially after all the drama their re-entry caused? lol

I think BMP/MTV wanted Wes/Theresa, Bananas/Nany, CT/Diem and Jordan/Sarah in the final. They created the twist just to make sure nobody from this group goes home early.

Hopefully it helps people see that at the end of the day, this is a "reality" show. There's tons of shit like this in real sports too but there is just too much control & behind-the-scenes shit for this to ever become the "5th major sport".

I actually kinda agree what Theresa said. The one time Bananas was eliminated, he gets to come back. Ofc he's been eliminated before but i'm talking about the recent seasons. I liked the idea of the ex-ile but i didn't like the outcome.

And I think it's funny to think that last season, Bananas and Nany voted in Cara Maria over Theresa. I'd like to see that vote go down again with the current circumstances.

On paper the idea of the ex-ile is really good, but the way it went down was a complete fail. The Ex-ile team had a wayyy better living-contitions than the ones in the house, the competitions were really just complete bullshit besides maybe only two, but even them weren't really entertaining to watch (not counting Knot so Fast) and the biggest fail is, whoever does get eliminated now, doesn't even have the chance to participate in the Ex-ile, so that isn't even fair playing field to one couple. After watching this episode, there's your reason why production should never ever use something like this again and willingly put their hands on the game.
Sure, Bananas and Nany were back through this twist, but they went against three rookie teams in the ex-ile which shouldn't be something to brag about.  

This twist just screwed up a very good game (the best in the house) and Wes/Theresa definitely deserves to win the elimination round, it just sucks that Leroy/Nia are in it, too.
I got to say that Jordan is one helluva political player. First he was "best teams in the final" and then "I want to win $$$".

I think it's crazy that Wes/Leroy/Jay are being portraited as the faces of this season while everyother male acts like a/the villian.   

Wes is portraited as the mastermind villain...Jay only got camara when he was kissing Jonna or people wanting to carry his weak team to the end. I agree with Leroy

Mastermind? Yes, Villain? I don't think so. Every move was based solely on him getting to the final. Every move he made was logical and every single person should've made these moves. He never acted sneeky to be viewed as a villian, he was shown to be right in every move he did. (Dustin/Jess being in the middle, Reily/Averey being a team everybody likes and breaking up the Zach/Jordan/Reily alliance, getting BaNany out of the competition when you have the chance, Zach being in an alliance with everybody and promising Leroy/Nia the final, keeping Jay/Jenna to use them as a puffer for the final. Plus, he won those challenge with team work. 

Jay was shown to be a really chill dude and someone who can threat his partner like a normal human being.   

So does anybody still believe those Exiles weren't set up for Johnny/Nany to coast through them, especially after all the drama their re-entry caused? lol

I think BMP/MTV wanted Wes/Theresa, Bananas/Nany, CT/Diem and Jordan/Sarah in the final. They created the twist just to make sure nobody from this group goes home early.

Hopefully it helps people see that at the end of the day, this is a "reality" show. There's tons of shit like this in real sports too but there is just too much control & behind-the-scenes shit for this to ever become the "5th major sport".


Usually BMP/MTV doesn't interfer that much during the competition/game though (except some questionable decisions in finals, last challenge before the final and last elimination round) like other shows and a lot more upsets can happen here than in most of the real sports. That 5th major sport is probably just refering to the daily challenges/finals and what these people have to endure for some money. 
To be fair, those four teams were the best ones with Leroy/Nia being a sleeper/dark horse team, but I might take that back what I said, I don't really think production made that twist for those teams, but rather to create interesting drama. 

I think when johny went home we saw what Leroy could be if he was on the show and CT/Johnny are not. I feel like he is friends with both and let's them be the stars and lays low per usual when they are on the show, but when they aren't on the show, he was a different person.  It's like he felt like he was the big bad vet and he could beat anyone in his way, like he got all this confidence once ct/johnny left the game.

Now that Johnny's back he seems to be going back to chill Leroy and in a way i guess leroy is kind of in their shadow when they are all on the season. I think Leroy doesnt feel like he can step up to them and try to get rid of them since they are both his friends so he kind of is stuck in a hard place politically in the game, and both would be good matches head to head, but i think he knows he is not stronger than CT. He looked very confident in every elmination this season, but against CT on free agents did not seem very confident or happy to face him. johnny and him probably would be 50/50 on most games.

I'd actually be interested to see how leroy was if those two were not on the season but Leroy was. Would he make moves, woudl he be all cocky and smack talking, or would he truly do the lay low don't get last approach, maybe that's who leroy is. 

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