While I can maybe see Sarah choosing to forget some important details to be 'in with the cool guys', I can't say the same about Susie. I wonder who told Tonya if not Kim ... KellyAnne? Maybe that's why she went on such a long hiatus after The Ruins.
Definitely not Kellyanne. I remember a stretch of time post-Ruins where Mark, Kenny, Evan, and Kellyanne were all party touring together. If it was specifically said that a girl said something the only person I can see, out of who was left at that time, is Katie. Johanna, Ibis, Susie, Sarah, Kim, Kellyanne, and Casey continued to be good friends of Kenny, Evan or both. And I can't see it being Veronica. I'm also pretty sure TONYA said that she was told by one of the girls. The list of women seems to be shrinking smaller and smaller.
I am curious if the tide will eventually shift to more people believing Kenny and Evan. A half dozen cast members have unequivocally stated that they were present at that time and that it didn't happen. Not so much on the other side.
I haven't posted in a while, but I thought it was well already well known that Katie was the one that told Tonya. It should be in articles from years back (and should be in this thread) that hinted that Katie told Tonya what happened because Katie was subpoenaed but didn't want to cooperate with the lawsuit.
Also since we're talking about cast members siding with Kenny...Kaitlin from Brooklyn spoke on Reddit years ago insinuating that the allegations were true. No idea what her source was though.
katelynn from brooklyn wasn't even on the ruins, so i wouldn't exactly call her a reliable source. she has about as much information as we all do, which is hearsay.
the fact is that, no one knows what the real truth is or why the case was settled. there are strong arguments from each side of this, so anyone can blame who they want and side with whoever they want. usually, i'm the type that sides immediately with victim. but based on what we know and what cast members keep saying, i'm more on the side of kenny and evan. i'm not even a huge jek fan, i was always team wes during all of that, and i can agree that it's been nice to not have them on the show. and that they were bullies. would i like them back? sure why not. but am i dying without them on my screen? no, it's been just fine without them.
but to anyone who wants to blame tonya's drunken behavior or her state of mind, back right off. whether the allegations are true or not, DO NOT blame the victim and the way she was acting/dressing/drinking ect.
I was hoping this thread would disappear tbh. The photo of Tonya creeps me out and kinda reminds me of biased news sites that use certain photos in their articles to sway you into thinking differently about the person.
I was hoping this thread would disappear tbh. The photo of Tonya creeps me out and kinda reminds me of biased news sites that use certain photos in their articles to sway you into thinking differently about the person.
Part of the reason that Tonya's drunkenness is mentioned is that she didn't just sue because of the alleged sexual assault. She also sued MTV for supposedly exacerbating her mental health and dependency issues by providing the cast so much alcohol and not preventing her from partaking.
While I can maybe see Sarah choosing to forget some important details to be 'in with the cool guys', I can't say the same about Susie. I wonder who told Tonya if not Kim ... KellyAnne? Maybe that's why she went on such a long hiatus after The Ruins.
Definitely not Kellyanne. I remember a stretch of time post-Ruins where Mark, Kenny, Evan, and Kellyanne were all party touring together. If it was specifically said that a girl said something the only person I can see, out of who was left at that time, is Katie. Johanna, Ibis, Susie, Sarah, Kim, Kellyanne, and Casey continued to be good friends of Kenny, Evan or both. And I can't see it being Veronica. I'm also pretty sure TONYA said that she was told by one of the girls. The list of women seems to be shrinking smaller and smaller. I am curious if the tide will eventually shift to more people believing Kenny and Evan. A half dozen cast members have unequivocally stated that they were present at that time and that it didn't happen. Not so much on the other side.
This isn't fair to say or very accurate considering everybody, well most people inclduing Darrell and Brianna's *** shaded Tonya. Susie too.
I just think the fact that Susie and sArah are saying it never happened and they were in the room then it makes me think nothing happened. Unfortunately we will never know the full truth and everyone is going to have their opinion but I find it weird that Susie and Kim were both saying Team Kenny and Evan has been left out....? Seems a little fishy
I can almost guarantee, MTV is trying to do something with the return of Evan & Kenny... I don't see them allowing Bananas to comment on it publicly if it's still to be undisclosed.
I can almost guarantee, MTV is trying to do something with the return of Evan & Kenny... I don't see them allowing Bananas to comment on it publicly if it's still to be undisclosed.
I would hope not, despite being a fan of theirs, for two reasons. First, regardless of why it happened, or whether it should have happened, they both haven't been on the show for a while now and have moved on to other things. Kenny seems to have a bunch of little things going on, plus his gym ownership, and Evan owns and runs a marketing company. They both appear to have bounced back from what happened and going back to the show would be a step backward in their lives. Second, they're both probably in the best shape I've ever seen them in and they would run over everyone. Evan looks in better shape now at 31 than he did on Fresh Meat at 20 when he was a collegiate athlete.
I can almost guarantee, MTV is trying to do something with the return of Evan & Kenny... I don't see them allowing Bananas to comment on it publicly if it's still to be undisclosed.
I would hope not, despite being a fan of theirs, for two reasons. First, regardless of why it happened, or whether it should have happened, they both haven't been on the show for a while now and have moved on to other things. Kenny seems to have a bunch of little things going on, plus his gym ownership, and Evan owns and runs a marketing company. They both appear to have bounced back from what happened and going back to the show would be a step backward in their lives. Second, they're both probably in the best shape I've ever seen them in and they would run over everyone. Evan looks in better shape now at 31 than he did on Fresh Meat at 20 when he was a collegiate athlete.
Evan has moved on, he has been very succesfull with his company and he is going to get married in november, even if he could he is done with challenges
I just think the fact that Susie and sArah are saying it never happened and they were in the room then it makes me think nothing happened. Unfortunately we will never know the full truth and everyone is going to have their opinion but I find it weird that Susie and Kim were both saying Team Kenny and Evan has been left out....? Seems a little fishy
Evan has kept away from social media in the last couple of years, he doesn't use twitter and his instagram is private, he is focused in his company and i think Susie has a fallout with him, But Susie said in instagram that Evan and Kenny didn´t do anything and deserve to have theirs name cleared
Evan has been over the challenges for awhile now. Even if he wasn't banned, he wouldn't have come back. On Rivals, he didn't want to be there. However, I know Kenny really misses it.
im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.
Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
unless they didn't see it. If there was no proof of this incident then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was and mtv wouldnt have settled with her, they would have gone to court said sorry lady you've got no proof, the tapes were turned in and there was nothing there. AND Kenny and Evan wouldn't have been banned from being on the show. Instead she got a settlement she probably deserved, Kenny and Evan off MTV and she still was asked back for more shows. Boom. K&E are more than likely guilty of something illegal here.
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually ***aults a woman.
All of a sudden Sarah and ***** *** Susie are Jesus Christ
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
unless they didn't see it. If there was no proof of this incident then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was and mtv wouldnt have settled with her, they would have gone to court said sorry lady you've got no proof, the tapes were turned in and there was nothing there. AND Kenny and Evan wouldn't have been banned from being on the show. Instead she got a settlement she probably deserved, Kenny and Evan off MTV and she still was asked back for more shows. Boom. K&E are more than likely guilty of something illegal here.
I know you're not an attorney but this is one of the least informed statements I've ever read on this board. Just ridiculous
You can make assumptions if you want but if you're basing guilt on a settlement--I have no respect for your intelligence.
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually ***aults a woman.
All of a sudden Sarah and ***** *** Susie are Jesus Christ
Tonya has no clue what happened or didn't happen. She was relying on others to try to determine what happened.
Susie & Sarah know far more about what occurred than any of us. You should listen to what they say given their past.
"***** *** Susie"--pot talking to the kettle again
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
unless they didn't see it. If there was no proof of this incident then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was and mtv wouldnt have settled with her, they would have gone to court said sorry lady you've got no proof, the tapes were turned in and there was nothing there. AND Kenny and Evan wouldn't have been banned from being on the show. Instead she got a settlement she probably deserved, Kenny and Evan off MTV and she still was asked back for more shows. Boom. K&E are more than likely guilty of something illegal here.
Putting aside the assumptions being made about settlements and BMP's desire to litigate this whole thing, what I find interesting is the number of people who say well maybe they didn't see it. The people that have been coming forward haven't been wishy washy. They haven't said, "oh I never saw that happen" or "I don't think something like that would go on." Susie said it DID NOT happen. Sarah said it DID NOT happen. Johnny said it DID NOT happen. Susie's husband said DID NOT happen. Kim, who people assumed was one of those so disgusted with Kenny and Evan for doing this that she stopped doing the shows said it DID NOT happen. Not "didn't see", "wasn't there", etc. Did not happen.
Tonya's alleged information came from another person who was supposedly in the room. So we're meant to believe a now nameless person, this list of whom it could potentially be grows smaller with every cast member that comes forward and says something, versus now 5 people who have unequivocally stated that they were in the room at the time when this went on and said that it did not happen. The champions had an open room. Were all five of those people sitting with their back turned, yet Katie or whoever Tonya says told her was staring right at them, saw this go on, but chose not to draw any attention to it or stop it? And Kenny and Evan, who essentially do everything they do for attention were so stealthy in doing this disgusting thing that they didn't draw attention to it but for this one person? Why are we weighing the credibility of one person (the supposed witness), when we don't know who this one person is, over that of a half dozen people openly standing on the other side? Two of whom, regardless of their friendships, were sexual assault victims? Do you not find anything about that fishy?
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually ***aults a woman.
All of a sudden Sarah and ***** *** Susie are Jesus Christ
Tonya has no clue what happened or didn't happen. She was relying on others to try to determine what happened.Susie & Sarah know far more about what occurred than any of us. You should listen to what they say given their past."***** *** Susie"--pot talking to the kettle again
Go **** your wife before the mailman beats ya to it.
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually ***aults a woman.
All of a sudden Sarah and ***** *** Susie are Jesus Christ
Tonya has no clue what happened or didn't happen. She was relying on others to try to determine what happened.Susie & Sarah know far more about what occurred than any of us. You should listen to what they say given their past."***** *** Susie"--pot talking to the kettle again
Go **** your wife before the mailman beats ya to it.
so salty since you can't use logic anymore to back up your argument.
False rape accuses happen ALL the time and the guy is punished for it even if it wasn't rape, take your head out of your *** for one minute and realize that Kenny and Evan are probably innocent in this case. We're suppose to take the word of someone who probably couldn't even remember 95% of what happened in thailand as the truth, what a joke. Evan and Kenny have been kept out of MTV because of the stigma that was caused by Tonya, not because they are guilty. and chances are, Kenny will be back. cant wait to see your face then
sfinisher wrote:im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
unless they didn't see it. If there was no proof of this incident then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was and mtv wouldnt have settled with her, they would have gone to court said sorry lady you've got no proof, the tapes were turned in and there was nothing there. AND Kenny and Evan wouldn't have been banned from being on the show. Instead she got a settlement she probably deserved, Kenny and Evan off MTV and she still was asked back for more shows. Boom. K&E are more than likely guilty of something illegal here.
If you would bother to read the rest of this thread, then you would see that I have already explained exactly why a settlement proves NOTHING about guilt in any court case.
Definitely not Kellyanne. I remember a stretch of time post-Ruins where Mark, Kenny, Evan, and Kellyanne were all party touring together. If it was specifically said that a girl said something the only person I can see, out of who was left at that time, is Katie. Johanna, Ibis, Susie, Sarah, Kim, Kellyanne, and Casey continued to be good friends of Kenny, Evan or both. And I can't see it being Veronica. I'm also pretty sure TONYA said that she was told by one of the girls. The list of women seems to be shrinking smaller and smaller.
I am curious if the tide will eventually shift to more people believing Kenny and Evan. A half dozen cast members have unequivocally stated that they were present at that time and that it didn't happen. Not so much on the other side.
speaking of which did katie and bananas even interact on Cutthroat?
I haven't posted in a while, but I thought it was well already well known that Katie was the one that told Tonya. It should be in articles from years back (and should be in this thread) that hinted that Katie told Tonya what happened because Katie was subpoenaed but didn't want to cooperate with the lawsuit.
Also since we're talking about cast members siding with Kenny...Kaitlin from Brooklyn spoke on Reddit years ago insinuating that the allegations were true. No idea what her source was though.
katelynn from brooklyn wasn't even on the ruins, so i wouldn't exactly call her a reliable source. she has about as much information as we all do, which is hearsay.
the fact is that, no one knows what the real truth is or why the case was settled. there are strong arguments from each side of this, so anyone can blame who they want and side with whoever they want. usually, i'm the type that sides immediately with victim. but based on what we know and what cast members keep saying, i'm more on the side of kenny and evan. i'm not even a huge jek fan, i was always team wes during all of that, and i can agree that it's been nice to not have them on the show. and that they were bullies. would i like them back? sure why not. but am i dying without them on my screen? no, it's been just fine without them.
but to anyone who wants to blame tonya's drunken behavior or her state of mind, back right off. whether the allegations are true or not, DO NOT blame the victim and the way she was acting/dressing/drinking ect.
Susie said that Evan and Kenny never touched her.
I was hoping this thread would disappear tbh. The photo of Tonya creeps me out and kinda reminds me of biased news sites that use certain photos in their articles to sway you into thinking differently about the person.
Part of the reason that Tonya's drunkenness is mentioned is that she didn't just sue because of the alleged sexual assault. She also sued MTV for supposedly exacerbating her mental health and dependency issues by providing the cast so much alcohol and not preventing her from partaking.
This isn't fair to say or very accurate considering everybody, well most people inclduing Darrell and Brianna's *** shaded Tonya. Susie too.
I just think the fact that Susie and sArah are saying it never happened and they were in the room then it makes me think nothing happened. Unfortunately we will never know the full truth and everyone is going to have their opinion but I find it weird that Susie and Kim were both saying Team Kenny and Evan has been left out....? Seems a little fishy
This.
I can almost guarantee, MTV is trying to do something with the return of Evan & Kenny... I don't see them allowing Bananas to comment on it publicly if it's still to be undisclosed.
I would hope not, despite being a fan of theirs, for two reasons. First, regardless of why it happened, or whether it should have happened, they both haven't been on the show for a while now and have moved on to other things. Kenny seems to have a bunch of little things going on, plus his gym ownership, and Evan owns and runs a marketing company. They both appear to have bounced back from what happened and going back to the show would be a step backward in their lives. Second, they're both probably in the best shape I've ever seen them in and they would run over everyone. Evan looks in better shape now at 31 than he did on Fresh Meat at 20 when he was a collegiate athlete.
Evan has moved on, he has been very succesfull with his company and he is going to get married in november, even if he could he is done with challenges
Evan has kept away from social media in the last couple of years, he doesn't use twitter and his instagram is private, he is focused in his company and i think Susie has a fallout with him, But Susie said in instagram that Evan and Kenny didn´t do anything and deserve to have theirs name cleared
Evan has been over the challenges for awhile now. Even if he wasn't banned, he wouldn't have come back. On Rivals, he didn't want to be there. However, I know Kenny really misses it.
Of course Kenny would miss it----all the fresh victims.
Ha. You make him sound like Freddie Krueger.
He probably would fashion a glove with 5 toothbrushes for fingers if he could.
im sorry but the only victim here is Kenny and Evan, being falsely accused of rape by some drunk who's trying to get some easy cash.
lol.
Okay whatever you say fake account
The other poster may be right. Tonya could be lying about the whole thing seeking a payday. Katie may not have been willing to cooperate because maybe she went with something she heard and didn't get the story straight. The reality is Evan & Kenny may be the real victims. It absolutely is possible. To disregard that as a reality is just as wrong as those that can't accept these actions may have happened.
Personally--I'm rolling with the women that have been victimized in the past. Susie & Sarah aren't going to defend anyone that sexually assaults a woman.
unless they didn't see it. If there was no proof of this incident then it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was and mtv wouldnt have settled with her, they would have gone to court said sorry lady you've got no proof, the tapes were turned in and there was nothing there. AND Kenny and Evan wouldn't have been banned from being on the show. Instead she got a settlement she probably deserved, Kenny and Evan off MTV and she still was asked back for more shows. Boom. K&E are more than likely guilty of something illegal here.
All of a sudden Sarah and ***** *** Susie are Jesus Christ
I know you're not an attorney but this is one of the least informed statements I've ever read on this board. Just ridiculous
You can make assumptions if you want but if you're basing guilt on a settlement--I have no respect for your intelligence.
Tonya has no clue what happened or didn't happen. She was relying on others to try to determine what happened.
Susie & Sarah know far more about what occurred than any of us. You should listen to what they say given their past.
"***** *** Susie"--pot talking to the kettle again
Putting aside the assumptions being made about settlements and BMP's desire to litigate this whole thing, what I find interesting is the number of people who say well maybe they didn't see it. The people that have been coming forward haven't been wishy washy. They haven't said, "oh I never saw that happen" or "I don't think something like that would go on." Susie said it DID NOT happen. Sarah said it DID NOT happen. Johnny said it DID NOT happen. Susie's husband said DID NOT happen. Kim, who people assumed was one of those so disgusted with Kenny and Evan for doing this that she stopped doing the shows said it DID NOT happen. Not "didn't see", "wasn't there", etc. Did not happen.
Tonya's alleged information came from another person who was supposedly in the room. So we're meant to believe a now nameless person, this list of whom it could potentially be grows smaller with every cast member that comes forward and says something, versus now 5 people who have unequivocally stated that they were in the room at the time when this went on and said that it did not happen. The champions had an open room. Were all five of those people sitting with their back turned, yet Katie or whoever Tonya says told her was staring right at them, saw this go on, but chose not to draw any attention to it or stop it? And Kenny and Evan, who essentially do everything they do for attention were so stealthy in doing this disgusting thing that they didn't draw attention to it but for this one person? Why are we weighing the credibility of one person (the supposed witness), when we don't know who this one person is, over that of a half dozen people openly standing on the other side? Two of whom, regardless of their friendships, were sexual assault victims? Do you not find anything about that fishy?
Go **** your wife before the mailman beats ya to it.
so salty since you can't use logic anymore to back up your argument.
False rape accuses happen ALL the time and the guy is punished for it even if it wasn't rape, take your head out of your *** for one minute and realize that Kenny and Evan are probably innocent in this case. We're suppose to take the word of someone who probably couldn't even remember 95% of what happened in thailand as the truth, what a joke. Evan and Kenny have been kept out of MTV because of the stigma that was caused by Tonya, not because they are guilty. and chances are, Kenny will be back. cant wait to see your face then
If you would bother to read the rest of this thread, then you would see that I have already explained exactly why a settlement proves NOTHING about guilt in any court case.
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