Kailah strategy had 0 logic because she saw how would mission look like. Even if all 5 passed tight space first they still had to go back. Derrick and Jordan were destroyed there and Tony was tossed away like ragdoll, Johnny and Nelson wouldn't be of any use in that if they weren't so fast and went into 5vs5 fight. But I love how Aneesa went into CT mode and humiliated Jenna.
Man I wish Wes was on this season, it would be interesting to see what side he'd be on. He's liked by CT and some vets but I feel Johnny definitely would have wanted him out. Feels like Cory is trying to be a bit like Ruins Wes, would have liked to see the two team up!! Especially after looking at other stuff from this season
Man I wish Wes was on this season, it would be interesting to see what side he'd be on. He's liked by CT and some vets but I feel Johnny definitely would have wanted him out. Feels like Cory is trying to be a bit like Ruins Wes, would have liked to see the two team up!! Especially after looking at other stuff from this season
With this format Wes would have rolled with the vets as long as possible.
Cory isn't trying to be like Wes on The Ruins. Wes was a good/elite competitor that didn't have the numbers so he threatened to throw missions to prevent his team from having control over who went into elimination. How is that similar to what Cory is doing?
Man I wish Wes was on this season, it would be interesting to see what side he'd be on. He's liked by CT and some vets but I feel Johnny definitely would have wanted him out. Feels like Cory is trying to be a bit like Ruins Wes, would have liked to see the two team up!! Especially after looking at other stuff from this season
With this format Wes would have rolled with the vets as long as possible. Cory isn't trying to be like Wes on The Ruins. Wes was a good/elite competitor that didn't have the numbers so he threatened to throw missions to prevent his team from having control over who went into elimination. How is that similar to what Cory is doing?
Absolutely. I don't understand how people are making Cory to be an underdog here.While Wes was the number one target because he was being viewed as a threat, Cory got number one target because of a really dumb decision.
They are different scenarios but much like Wes, Cory was gonna be a target regardless. Where Cory ***** up at is the women; he could've easily riled them together for his benefit if he played his cards right. He actually did the unthinkable & got Trashmila to make a decision of her own (not matter how idiotic she went about pulling it off).
What were the rules? Could they have held opponents back? Or were they uable to participate once they hung the ring? Someone from Kailah's team should have held back Veronica while Britni went to put her ring on.
Cara said on Twitter that she should have helped V after she was done with her own ring, so I think they were allowed to help each other, it just didn't occure to them.
FreeAgent11 wrote:Just came in to say Kailah is an idiot.
I love how she tried to play it off as strategy. Either she has never watched an episode of the show before or she's really just THAT ******* stupid.
I think it was valid strategy. Bananas and I forgot who else got to the rings first. I think they failed in not helping out the others once they got the rings. Instead of jumping over the pit, they pin on or two of the guys, perferably Dario since he's the least strong, the others coud've ran to get the rings and beat the green team.
Right. If this were an elimination between two people, then being agile and outsmarting your opponent would be a valid strategy (think CJ and Zach) but this was a group mission where there were ten guys trucking through the same narrow space. Size was clearly the most important part of this mission. John and whoever else, made it through, but their other teammates didn't because they physically could not get past the muscle on other side. Derrick said something about it as well. Kailah should have chosen a balanced team. She could not have made it easier for the other side.
Granted in a 1-v-1 her strategy would've proven more effective. I echoed what Derrick said. He mentioned Johnny and company rumping over the pit to put their rings in places rathr than helping the guys push overthe muscle. I think in part that hurt them since, like I said before, John and company could've at least held one guy to create some gap that the others might squeeze through. Then it might have become a footrace, which blue could've faired well. Kailah's plan was rikier, but not stupid (with te exception of not picking CT). I would've picked CT first tho, then followed through with agile guys, like Derrick.
Size was much more important than speed in that competition, due to the amount of people participating and the narrowness of the bottleneck. Going all-in on speed was really dumb and I don't think Bananas and Nelson helping better would have made a different result. The Blue guys got murdered. Combining the two (getting CT and Leroy/Hunter as lead blockers than Bananas/Derrick/Nelson/Jordan as your speed element) was the best way to go, but if you're going to pick one or the other, size was much more important. Speed is neutralized if you don't have the room to power past the size.
I have no problem with the Cory strategy. Once you got rid of Darrell, you might as well own it; it's not like the vets would have had his back after that. And getting Darrell out was absolutely the correct move -- any chance you have to pick off a competitor of his caliber, you have to take it because it doesn't come around very often (not to mention Cory would have no prayer against Darrell in a final, which he admitted). I don't think Cory has the overall game to pull off this strategy in the long run, but it's not like he'd fare any better carrying the vets' water. If I were him I'd try to curry Jordan's favor -- he's a vet but he's not in that old-timers crew with CT, Bananas, Derrick and Leroy. Jordan might be a guy you could get.
Also becoming a huge fan of Tori. She talks, but also can back it up big-time on the field. I also find her quite attractive, which helps.
I have no problem with the Cory strategy. Once you got rid of Darrell, you might as well own it; it's not like the vets would have had his back after that. And getting Darrell out was absolutely the correct move -- any chance you have to pick off a competitor of his caliber, you have to take it because it doesn't come around very often (not to mention Cory would have no prayer against Darrell in a final, which he admitted). I don't think Cory has the overall game to pull off this strategy in the long run, but it's not like he'd fare any better carrying the vets' water. If I were him I'd try to curry Jordan's favor -- he's a vet but he's not in that old-timers crew with CT, Bananas, Derrick and Leroy. Jordan might be a guy you could get.Also becoming a huge fan of Tori. She talks, but also can back it up big-time on the field. I also find her quite attractive, which helps.
Cory can't beat anyone in a final. Taking out Darrell is going to have consequences. Had he simply kept Darrell he wouldn't have been a target for a very long time. Pretty sure Jordan is with CT, Bananas, Derrick & Leroy. At least on some level. Jordan's definitely not anti-John. To make a bold move week one you sure as **** better be able to back it up. Cory can't and we all know he can't. The women are against him (other than Camila) and now he ****** off the guys that are going to be in power most of the time. Good luck reaching the end.
Tori has been awesome so far. Nice to see a rookie do well against strong competition. Continues to prove rookies can't impress
I have no problem with the Cory strategy. Once you got rid of Darrell, you might as well own it; it's not like the vets would have had his back after that. And getting Darrell out was absolutely the correct move -- any chance you have to pick off a competitor of his caliber, you have to take it because it doesn't come around very often (not to mention Cory would have no prayer against Darrell in a final, which he admitted). I don't think Cory has the overall game to pull off this strategy in the long run, but it's not like he'd fare any better carrying the vets' water. If I were him I'd try to curry Jordan's favor -- he's a vet but he's not in that old-timers crew with CT, Bananas, Derrick and Leroy. Jordan might be a guy you could get.Also becoming a huge fan of Tori. She talks, but also can back it up big-time on the field. I also find her quite attractive, which helps.
Cory can't beat anyone in a final. Taking out Darrell is going to have consequences. Had he simply kept Darrell he wouldn't have been a target for a very low time. Pretty sure Jordan is with CT, Bananas, Derrick & Leroy. At least on some level. Jordan's definitely not anti-John. To make a bold move week one you sure as **** better be able to back it up. Cory can't and we all know he can't. The women are against him (other than Camila) and now he ****** off the guys that are going to be in power most of the time. Good luck reaching the end.Tori has been awesome so far. Nice to see a rookie do well against strong competition. Continues to prove rookies can't impress
I think Cory is ****** no matter if he laid low or if he didn't. I don't think he'd make a final with this cast and this format in any way, so you might as well go for broke. In a normal situation he could have laid low for a little bit and then made his move, but there's no way he could have predicted that he'd have a chance to bounce Darrell that early. I agree that Cory ultimately won't be able to back it up, but I don't really see an avenue for him to make a final in this game, so you might as well go big. There's no way he makes a final on Invasion if the Challengers and Champs had to face off against each other IMO.
He's good enough to where he'll never be considered a layup but not good enough to just beast through. So he's ****** no matter what. Since you don't get prizes for winning challenges, there's no difference in leaving in the middle vs. leaving toward the beginning. Just go long hair, don't care and hope for the best.
berklonius wrote:I have no problem with the Cory strategy. Once you got rid of Darrell, you might as well own it; it's not like the vets would have had his back after that. And getting Darrell out was absolutely the correct move -- any chance you have to pick off a competitor of his caliber, you have to take it because it doesn't come around very often (not to mention Cory would have no prayer against Darrell in a final, which he admitted). I don't think Cory has the overall game to pull off this strategy in the long run, but it's not like he'd fare any better carrying the vets' water. If I were him I'd try to curry Jordan's favor -- he's a vet but he's not in that old-timers crew with CT, Bananas, Derrick and Leroy. Jordan might be a guy you could get.Also becoming a huge fan of Tori. She talks, but also can back it up big-time on the field. I also find her quite attractive, which helps.
Cory can't beat anyone in a final. Taking out Darrell is going to have consequences. Had he simply kept Darrell he wouldn't have been a target for a very low time. Pretty sure Jordan is with CT, Bananas, Derrick & Leroy. At least on some level. Jordan's definitely not anti-John. To make a bold move week one you sure as **** better be able to back it up. Cory can't and we all know he can't. The women are against him (other than Camila) and now he ****** off the guys that are going to be in power most of the time. Good luck reaching the end.Tori has been awesome so far. Nice to see a rookie do well against strong competition. Continues to prove rookies can't impress
I think Cory is ****** no matter if he laid low or if he didn't. I don't think he'd make a final with this cast and this format in any way, so you might as well go for broke. In a normal situation he could have laid low for a little bit and then made his move, but there's no way he could have predicted that he'd have a chance to bounce Darrell that early. I agree that Cory ultimately won't be able to back it up, but I don't really see an avenue for him to make a final in this game, so you might as well go big. There's no way he makes a final on Invasion if the Challengers and Champs had to face off against each other IMO.He's good enough to where he'll never be considered a layup but not good enough to just beast through. So he's ****** no matter what. Since you don't get prizes for winning challenges, there's no difference in leaving in the middle vs. leaving toward the beginning. Just go long hair, don't care and hope for the best.
Oh, Darrell can and will **** Cory up in a future challenge (or in this one assuming he makes it out of Redemption) but you got four champs that you almost certainly can't beat. You have a chance to eliminate one without having to have them lose an elimination. You take it. Had it been a traditional elimination format, there's no way Cory pulls that trigger because, besides possibly CT, Darrell would be favored against anyone in a head-to-head elimination. Putting a target on your back in a situation where you probably wouldn't get rid of him would be dumb and I'd be in total agreement. This wasn't that, though; it was an open layup. In Cory's mind, this was an easy execution.
You guys are right in that it'll probably ultimately backfire, I just don't think laying low would have ulitmately paid off either.
Cory is pretty much a lay-up at this point. Cory screwed himself over this season and moving forward. It was short-sighted and he did it to save Tony....TONY. If it was to save someone that was good or worthy of saving that would be different but it was to save Tony...lol
Cory is pretty much a lay-up at this point. Cory screwed himself over this season and moving forward. It was short-sighted and he did it to save Tony....TONY. If it was to save someone that was good or worthy of saving that would be different but it was to save Tony...lol
In an elimination with speed or short-term strength you'd be at risk. He beasted that final competition in the purge, one that Darrell participated in. He's not elite, but he's a middle-of-the-road guy who can be dangerous to most competitors in certain games. He's nowhere close to a Jay, there is still some danger there. Enough to where he wouldn't be carried to a final by stronger competitors.
Cory is pretty much a lay-up at this point. Cory screwed himself over this season and moving forward. It was short-sighted and he did it to save Tony....TONY. If it was to save someone that was good or worthy of saving that would be different but it was to save Tony...lol
I wouldn't call him a lay-up, but you can definitely count on him to shit the bed whenever necessary.
Queens have them upset as they should.
Kailah strategy had 0 logic because she saw how would mission look like. Even if all 5 passed tight space first they still had to go back. Derrick and Jordan were destroyed there and Tony was tossed away like ragdoll, Johnny and Nelson wouldn't be of any use in that if they weren't so fast and went into 5vs5 fight. But I love how Aneesa went into CT mode and humiliated Jenna.
After the interview with Nehemiah, I'm very wary of these "tapes" and productions favorites.
The editing sucks this season but I loved the mission and the elimination was solid
I loved this episode and especially the mission.
I'm thrilled that bubble booty zaddy saved king Zzroy. Happy that Cory won and LOL at Tori telling Camilla not to touch her.
I wonder if Veronica found some indicator that the tab she picked would have 2 x's
I like that they had to paint Ammo as Brianna's bff at first sight so it seemed like someone cared if she left.
Aneesa's all of my body comment was hilarious
Tori has been the most entertaining part of this season to me
i get less of that from her now than i dd on invasion. shes fine tbh
Trashmila wanted NO parts of Tori in that moment lmaooooo she backed up quite swiftly.
Man I wish Wes was on this season, it would be interesting to see what side he'd be on. He's liked by CT and some vets but I feel Johnny definitely would have wanted him out. Feels like Cory is trying to be a bit like Ruins Wes, would have liked to see the two team up!! Especially after looking at other stuff from this season
I keep rewatching that scene, it cracks me up every time hahah
Yeah, I hate them showing the elimination at the beginning then the challenge at the end. They need to go back to having it the other way around.
With this format Wes would have rolled with the vets as long as possible.
Cory isn't trying to be like Wes on The Ruins. Wes was a good/elite competitor that didn't have the numbers so he threatened to throw missions to prevent his team from having control over who went into elimination. How is that similar to what Cory is doing?
Absolutely. I don't understand how people are making Cory to be an underdog here.While Wes was the number one target because he was being viewed as a threat, Cory got number one target because of a really dumb decision.
cory made himself a target, they don't fear him in a final....they first were targetting nelson before cory made a stupid move..
They are different scenarios but much like Wes, Cory was gonna be a target regardless. Where Cory ***** up at is the women; he could've easily riled them together for his benefit if he played his cards right. He actually did the unthinkable & got Trashmila to make a decision of her own (not matter how idiotic she went about pulling it off).
Cara said on Twitter that she should have helped V after she was done with her own ring, so I think they were allowed to help each other, it just didn't occure to them.
Size was much more important than speed in that competition, due to the amount of people participating and the narrowness of the bottleneck. Going all-in on speed was really dumb and I don't think Bananas and Nelson helping better would have made a different result. The Blue guys got murdered. Combining the two (getting CT and Leroy/Hunter as lead blockers than Bananas/Derrick/Nelson/Jordan as your speed element) was the best way to go, but if you're going to pick one or the other, size was much more important. Speed is neutralized if you don't have the room to power past the size.
I have no problem with the Cory strategy. Once you got rid of Darrell, you might as well own it; it's not like the vets would have had his back after that. And getting Darrell out was absolutely the correct move -- any chance you have to pick off a competitor of his caliber, you have to take it because it doesn't come around very often (not to mention Cory would have no prayer against Darrell in a final, which he admitted). I don't think Cory has the overall game to pull off this strategy in the long run, but it's not like he'd fare any better carrying the vets' water. If I were him I'd try to curry Jordan's favor -- he's a vet but he's not in that old-timers crew with CT, Bananas, Derrick and Leroy. Jordan might be a guy you could get.
Also becoming a huge fan of Tori. She talks, but also can back it up big-time on the field. I also find her quite attractive, which helps.
Cory can't beat anyone in a final. Taking out Darrell is going to have consequences. Had he simply kept Darrell he wouldn't have been a target for a very long time. Pretty sure Jordan is with CT, Bananas, Derrick & Leroy. At least on some level. Jordan's definitely not anti-John. To make a bold move week one you sure as **** better be able to back it up. Cory can't and we all know he can't. The women are against him (other than Camila) and now he ****** off the guys that are going to be in power most of the time. Good luck reaching the end.
Tori has been awesome so far. Nice to see a rookie do well against strong competition. Continues to prove rookies can't impress
Darrell always pays his debts.
I think Cory is ****** no matter if he laid low or if he didn't. I don't think he'd make a final with this cast and this format in any way, so you might as well go for broke. In a normal situation he could have laid low for a little bit and then made his move, but there's no way he could have predicted that he'd have a chance to bounce Darrell that early. I agree that Cory ultimately won't be able to back it up, but I don't really see an avenue for him to make a final in this game, so you might as well go big. There's no way he makes a final on Invasion if the Challengers and Champs had to face off against each other IMO.
He's good enough to where he'll never be considered a layup but not good enough to just beast through. So he's ****** no matter what. Since you don't get prizes for winning challenges, there's no difference in leaving in the middle vs. leaving toward the beginning. Just go long hair, don't care and hope for the best.
Oh, Darrell can and will **** Cory up in a future challenge (or in this one assuming he makes it out of Redemption) but you got four champs that you almost certainly can't beat. You have a chance to eliminate one without having to have them lose an elimination. You take it. Had it been a traditional elimination format, there's no way Cory pulls that trigger because, besides possibly CT, Darrell would be favored against anyone in a head-to-head elimination. Putting a target on your back in a situation where you probably wouldn't get rid of him would be dumb and I'd be in total agreement. This wasn't that, though; it was an open layup. In Cory's mind, this was an easy execution.
You guys are right in that it'll probably ultimately backfire, I just don't think laying low would have ulitmately paid off either.
Cory is pretty much a lay-up at this point. Cory screwed himself over this season and moving forward. It was short-sighted and he did it to save Tony....TONY. If it was to save someone that was good or worthy of saving that would be different but it was to save Tony...lol
In an elimination with speed or short-term strength you'd be at risk. He beasted that final competition in the purge, one that Darrell participated in. He's not elite, but he's a middle-of-the-road guy who can be dangerous to most competitors in certain games. He's nowhere close to a Jay, there is still some danger there. Enough to where he wouldn't be carried to a final by stronger competitors.
I wouldn't call him a lay-up, but you can definitely count on him to shit the bed whenever necessary.
Cory is a lay-up in the final not in eliminations. I agree he can win eliminations.
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