What about Kam not having loyalty to Cara? It's not loyal of Kam to expect Cara to give up her star...for no real reason since Kam was getting what she wanted. I don't understand why "loyalty" is only defined in terms of what Kam wants.
Anyway I'm looking at the friendships in context of the game. Brandon and Jasmine voting against an ally in the game is fine if it truly helps them in the game; I just don't think it did in this instance. Cara is a strong player and wasn't going to vote either of them in, so making an enemy of her this early in the game isn't a good move IMO. To me it's a move you make a few more eliminations down the road.
Did Kam tell Cara to give her her star and go get another one herself? People are making a (fairly rational) assumption Rachel going in signifies Cara gets her star taken but we don't know that for sure. Kam didn't even seem to be aware they had a deal until after the vote. As much as it didn't matter Cara didn't vote Rachel, in Kam's eye it wouldn't matter if she did since she was going in anyway. She said it painly last episode " Cara and Rachel have a deal that doesn't include me, therefore I am against it", that makes perfect sense.
Not saying everyone has to be loyal to Kam only but I'm asking "Why is loyalty only understood in context of Cara?"
And, we can call it too early all we want, it was a girl's day, and Cara and Rachel were the only girls in the bottom worth a **** competitively. Why waste a vote sending in Rachel against V or Flora when she likely beats them, takes another star, and likely gives it to someone weak, which better positions her? If someone like Laurel, even Nicole was right there I'd agree but this was their one-shot to ensure a threat is going home. Like there's not always a next time, and Jasmine has been at the bottom more than once she needs someone like V or Flora in the game if she wants a shot to earn a star.
My point is Kam got what she wanted in terms of Cara and others voting for Ayanna, and Ayanna leaving. Cara got to keep her star. Both won, so to me there should be no issue. It would be different if Cara didn't vote for the target (Ayanna), but Cara voted in a manner that helped get Kam's target out while also preserving her star. To me that is just good game play. Kam on the other hand wanted Cara to give up her star in a pointless vote for Rachel. (To your point that Kam didn't know about the deal with Rachel; that makes sense in the moment, but once Kam found out it's not like she understood. She was then mad about it lol.)
And I think we do know if Cara and Rachel hadn't struck a deal, then Rachel would have taken Cara's star and given it to Veronica. Rachel's goal was for her alliance to all have stars. Becuase of the deal with Cara, she didn't do that.
Again Kam said "Cara and Rachel have a deal that doesn't include me, therefore I am against it" (I'm paraphrasing).
She saw two threats working together and their interests not aligning with hers and she made a move to get rid of it. Like yeah that's what someone is gonna if they're trying to keep the game in their hands.
Call that "entitled" or whatever that's actually playing the game smart. That's as rational as Cara not voting in Rachel because it doesn't suit her.
Again Kam said "Cara and Rachel have a deal that doesn't include me, therefore I am against it" (I'm paraphrasing).
She saw two threats working together and their interests not aligning with hers and she made a move to get rid of it. Like yeah that's what someone is gonna if they're trying to keep the game in their hands.
Call that "entitled" or whatever that's actually playing the game smart. That's as rational as Cara not voting in Rachel because it doesn't suit her.
Kam said that AFTER Rachel didn't take Cara's star. Kam thought Rachel was taking Cara's star. The entire point is that Kam expected Cara to lose her star to help ensure Ayanna went home. Cara's solution resulted in Kam's target going home and Cara still keeping her star.
Again Kam said "Cara and Rachel have a deal that doesn't include me, therefore I am against it" (I'm paraphrasing).
She saw two threats working together and their interests not aligning with hers and she made a move to get rid of it. Like yeah that's what someone is gonna if they're trying to keep the game in their hands.
Call that "entitled" or whatever that's actually playing the game smart. That's as rational as Cara not voting in Rachel because it doesn't suit her.
Kam said that AFTER Rachel didn't take Cara's star. Kam thought Rachel was taking Cara's star. The entire point is that Kam expected Cara to lose her star to help ensure Ayanna went home. Cara's solution resulted in Kam's target going home and Cara still keeping her star.
Of course she said it after how the **** else would she know?
Did Kam explicitly say she thought Rachel was taking her star or are we assuming that? Because there is a difference.
And, the last episode confirmed what I said about Brandon and his rationale. And, Kam states how she felt about Cara's vote and why she did what she did. Don't agree with it, oh well, but nothing I've said doesn't align with what we've actually seen. They all have their reasons.
Maybe hes pulling a teck and offering them BJs in a closet ****
Teck did that? Tf!
Allegedly he did it on the goat to the gay men... supposedly as a joke, he pulled them into a closet and showed a sign saying "i will suck your **** if you dont vote for me" but like...ina closet? With no audio? You cant tell me that was just a joke for tv since it didnt get recorded . It got alot of the people in the house mad at him too
Reza for sure since he was the one who shared the story, not sure who else
Oh I just realized the goat is an actual mf show I was so ****** confused and thought Teck was tryna get down with Ryan or Tyla skinhead looking *****.
My point is Kam got what she wanted in terms of Cara and others voting for Ayanna, and Ayanna leaving. Cara got to keep her star. Both won, so to me there should be no issue. It would be different if Cara didn't vote for the target (Ayanna), but Cara voted in a manner that helped get Kam's target out while also preserving her star. To me that is just good game play. Kam on the other hand wanted Cara to give up her star in a pointless vote for Rachel. (To your point that Kam didn't know about the deal with Rachel; that makes sense in the moment, but once Kam found out it's not like she understood. She was then mad about it lol.)
And I think we do know if Cara and Rachel hadn't struck a deal, then Rachel would have taken Cara's star and given it to Veronica. Rachel's goal was for her alliance to all have stars. Becuase of the deal with Cara, she didn't do that.
Again Kam said "Cara and Rachel have a deal that doesn't include me, therefore I am against it" (I'm paraphrasing).
She saw two threats working together and their interests not aligning with hers and she made a move to get rid of it. Like yeah that's what someone is gonna if they're trying to keep the game in their hands.
Call that "entitled" or whatever that's actually playing the game smart. That's as rational as Cara not voting in Rachel because it doesn't suit her.
The most action a Ryan Kehoe thread has ever seen and its not even about him.
Kam said that AFTER Rachel didn't take Cara's star. Kam thought Rachel was taking Cara's star. The entire point is that Kam expected Cara to lose her star to help ensure Ayanna went home. Cara's solution resulted in Kam's target going home and Cara still keeping her star.
Of course she said it after how the **** else would she know?
Did Kam explicitly say she thought Rachel was taking her star or are we assuming that? Because there is a difference.
And, the last episode confirmed what I said about Brandon and his rationale. And, Kam states how she felt about Cara's vote and why she did what she did. Don't agree with it, oh well, but nothing I've said doesn't align with what we've actually seen. They all have their reasons.
I must have missed something. Laurel and him were good friends on All Stars 4 but no longer friends??? What happened?
Ryan <3
likely something about Cara Maria
He looks part reptilian.
He saw the reaction to AS4 and flipped like the flip flopper he is
Zzzz. Just as he's always been.
Ive said it since his first run but he's the worst cast member of all time to do multiple seasons IMO. Brings absolutely nothing every time.
100% truth.
He looks like he'd fake black magic for veiws on TikTok.
What does he does to those white "straigth" boys??
He has Ace and Jay eating from his hands suddenly
Maybe hes pulling a teck and offering them BJs in a closet ****
Teck did that? Tf!
Allegedly he did it on the goat to the gay men... supposedly as a joke, he pulled them into a closet and showed a sign saying "i will suck your **** if you dont vote for me" but like...ina closet? With no audio? You cant tell me that was just a joke for tv since it didnt get recorded . It got alot of the people in the house mad at him too
Who did he allegedly say that to. He looks like he would do that forreal tbh
Reza for sure since he was the one who shared the story, not sure who else
Oh I just realized the goat is an actual mf show I was so ****** confused and thought Teck was tryna get down with Ryan or Tyla skinhead looking *****.
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