The Bachelor 13: Spoilers and Speculation

[quote=Matty;49030]It's like saying I Love Money or Charm School is "real".[/quote] Wait, they're NOT? That's shocking...:sarcastic:

Reality Steve put his spoilers up early on YouTube -- in three segments. If you are in any way invested in The Bachelor, think long and hard before you watch these, because you will probably never watch reality TV the same way again. Sadly, my personal opinion of Jason and of Mike Fleiss is confirmed. Sadly, Tye is the biggest loser in all of this. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiwt3aMQ6HQ]YouTube - The Bachelor finale Part 1 001[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tag92_Sx71o]YouTube - The Bachelor finale Part 2[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANRQrcTEwEY]YouTube - The Bachelor finale Part 3[/url] [My personal thanks go out to the former Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader who told me late last year that Melissa was the final one. I kept my word that I wouldn't tell a soul. I'm glad you didn't later tell me the rest of the story, if you even knew it. It's just too depressing.]

For those who have taken the time to watch the videos. I'm very interested in your reaction.

If what he is saying is true, I can't believe that Jason would go along with that. They would have had to pay him a decent amount of money to risk a lot of viewers hating him from now on.

[QUOTE=LilysMom;49046]Reaction, WTF? V1 can we believe this guy? If this is exactly what happens can you tell me now, because I will be done watching! If Jason is really this type of man then I dont want to waste my time and I am deeply saddened. And all this talk of him being a great father is going to go straight out the window! Great lesson to teach your son...do as the puppet master says and you will get some extra money????????? Holy ****!!!!! If this is true I am going to puke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] I have no idea what happens, or if RS is correct. My personal insight ended back in December when I learned that Molly and Melissa were the final two, and that I would be "happy" with the outcome. My source, who knows Melissa, has not talked to me since then.

[QUOTE=LilysMom;49049]What is your take on this? Would Mike Fleiss create a situation like this? If so his parent's truly named him right, and gave him the best initials to fit him....MF!!!!!!![/QUOTE] It's all about ratings. Everything on TV is about ratings. It's not about being honest, "real" or truth-telling. It's about the bottom line. They don't care why people watch, only that they do. So far this season, Fleiss and ABC have been winners, in part based on the previous PR machine generation of good will toward Jason and the storybook edit of Melissa.

[QUOTE=LilysMom;49051]Exactly so wouldn't this paint Jason in a very negative light? Do you think he would do this? I have to say I am shocked and confused, I would rather he just picked Deanna in the end! I would me more accepting of this if he was straight forward, but for him to break up with her on national tv and take his ring back? I just can't see him being that heartless!!! Could it be that RS was given this information on purpose to throw the internet sleuther's off? Are people that desperate to see someone recklessly hurt?[/QUOTE] I agree. I just want to know where and how he is getting all his information from and how does he know it's true?

I can't watch the videos because I'm at work!! And his site is not coming up for me (it's probably slammed). Can someone post whats going on...or if not just PM me the gist? Thanks! :) ETA: Nevermind, I just got on his site.....be back with an opinion in a minute!

I don't have tons of energy invested in the Bachelor in general, I don't think I have even watched a season since Firestone! Mostly because I always thought they guys leaned toward the creepy/slimy side and I just couldn't root for them to end up with someone. But then Jason seemed like such a decent "normal" guy so I decided to watch again and really thought he and Melissa had something. Granted I KNOW they edit everything to tell a story, but isn't a love story what we are tuning in to watch? The way Molly is portrayed on the show just makes this that much worse. I can't see her with who I think Jason is, and I especially can't see her being there for Ty. If this is all true, I just feel so bad for Melissa. That is just a cruel, cruel thing to do to someone just so you can have better ratings.

[QUOTE=Rocko07;49055]I agree. I just want to know where and how he is getting all his information from and how does he know it's true?[/QUOTE] He isn't going to tell us because that would out his source. Some of his earlier info can clearly be traced to someone inside production he knew when he lived in LA. RS has been around the show since season one. I believe I remember seeing him during at least one of "The Women Tell All" or After the Final Rose" shows. He also knows some of the same bachelors/bachelorettes I know, so he does have the right connections to know insider info if he wanted to know something. The best info always comes from crew, though.

Shut the front door... This is all really weird...I'm midway through the third video right now, and this all seems so far-fetched. However, it does make more sense having Deanna show up, and his reaction (maybe he didn't make the right decision?), etc etc. Maybe that's going to make it "better" once she gets dumped (on national television). It completely changes my opinion of Jason if he did go along with this, and Ty is definitely the biggest loser in all of it. I still really, really, REALLY don't agree that any amount of money is worth completely ****** with people's lives and hearts. And why would Molly take him back after being completely embarrassed (manufactured or not) on national television? As cheesy as it sounds, you can't put a price tag on love, and I think I'd rather pick the girl I wanted than go on some ridiculousness with ABC and get paid a little extra. This just seems like [B]way[/B] too much work for such a "shocker". I'm definitely anxious to see the ATFR ceremony, I don't usually watch them. And if this does happen, I think I'm just gonna have to boycott the Bachelor...

There are two concurrent theories. One is the Jason found out that Molly is pregnant (the overnight tent date?) and the second theory is that this ending was always the plan, and that Jason knew from the beginning that he was going to pick Molly.

[quote=molds13;49076] I still really, really, REALLY don't agree that any amount of money is worth completely ****** with people's lives and hearts. And why would Molly take him back after being completely embarrassed (manufactured or not) on national television? As cheesy as it sounds, you can't put a price tag on love, and I think I'd rather pick the girl I wanted than go on some ridiculousness with ABC and get paid a little extra. This just seems like [B]way[/B] too much work for such a "shocker". I'm definitely anxious to see the ATFR ceremony, I don't usually watch them. And if this does happen, I think I'm just gonna have to boycott the Bachelor...[/quote] ITA with everything you just said right there. Now I admit I haven't been keeping up with this season, but I have been interested in hearing about this scandal. I think it's a total WASH!! I feel bad mostly for the people that have been watching this and keeping up with it and UGH just what a disappointment. Shame on anyone that was knowingly involved. I think the Bachelor has run it's course now.

[quote=V1man;49077]There are two concurrent theories. One is the Jason found out that Molly is pregnant (the overnight tent date?) and the second theory is that this ending was always the plan, and that Jason knew from the beginning that he was going to pick Molly.[/quote] Either way, those both suck. If she is pregnant, that just makes Molly look bad (because hey, what "respectable" man will leave if he gets a girl pregnant?), and if Jason knew he was going to pick Molly, was he allowed to say "Hey, don't worry, I'm gonna pick you sooner or later?" This is SO SKETCH.

[quote=LilysMom;49082]Seriously I am going to ****** puke, this is a giant farce! What the hell is a matter with people, this cannot be happening AGAIN!!!!!I am about to freak out man!!!! [SIZE=1][FONT=Book Antiqua](Ok this is the emotional side talking right now, sorry if I offend!)[/FONT][/SIZE][/quote] There there LM *hands her a shot*.....:(

[quote=OtherPplsDrama;49083]There there LM *hands her a shot*.....:([/quote] I'll take one of those too...whoo hump day!

[QUOTE=LilysMom;49082]Seriously I am going to ****** puke, this is a giant farce! What the hell is a matter with people, this cannot be happening AGAIN!!!!!I am about to freak out man!!!! [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=1] (Ok this is the emotional side talking right now, sorry if I offend!)[/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE] Well. if you do actually puke, you could carefully box it and Fedex it to ABC TV in LA as a kind of fan reaction.

[quote=V1man;49085]Well. if you do actually puke, you could carefully box it and Fedex it to ABC TV in LA as a kind of fan reaction.[/quote] Ohhh that's BRILLIANT!!! Do it LM!! :D *here ya go molds...shots all around!*

[quote=LilysMom;49089] I think they might get a little something extra along with it!;)[/quote] That's my girl!!

I think he's going to pick Melissa. I really liked Jillian too though. I def liked her more than Molly. :(

Now I'm actually glad that Jillian isn't in the final 2. I was gunning for her and Melissa in the beginning, and I think out of anyone, she does NOT deserve to be caught up in this drama-rama. Maybe she'll be the next Bachelorette!

[quote=LilysMom;49102]Good gawd No! We don't want her to be like Jason![/quote] She seems so much more sensible though, and not someone that worries about material possessions (i.e. money) that would have her making a completely superficial decision. Then again, neither did Jason. What the ****.