[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329808]Why don't you just kiss her butt a little more?[/QUOTE]
Gladly. Let me see if I can find her on facebook. Beats you Kicking her butt, then faking 'oh but i love you'. Pfft.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329809]Gladly. Let me see if I can find her on facebook. Beats you Kicking her butt, then faking 'oh but i love you'. Pfft.[/QUOTE]
I just said she's 1 of the only 3 people I like on this show. You can like people and not blindly think they're some great competitor.
Ok...lets make a list of people Devyn was better than on this challenge. Big Easy, Lacey, Preston. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt over McKenzie and even lets just say Melinda and Jemmye, even though if I were in a final I would much rather have either of those 3 than her. So congrats, she was at best the 26th best competitor. I don't blindly think Devyn's bad, obviously I've put some thought into it and gave some solid reasons why I don't think she deserves to be in the finals. You haven't given a single reason why she should be in.
Devyn isn't bad at all. She made it to a final on her first challenge, and beat out 11 girls and counting. And even though people might say that the BOTS cast was full of rookies, she still went further than all of the champions that were on this season (Camila, Wes, Alton). Is she the best girl? Probably not. But to say that she is terrible is wrong. She played a good enough game to land her a spot in the final.
Call it like I see it? Did you watch the show with your eyes closed? She just listed to you all the reasons shes a valued team member which you seem to have blatantly overlooked.
The worst by far is Casey. Way worse than Devyn I'm actually shocked completely that this is even a argument? REALLY!!! There was a challenge that Casey actually refused to do at one point. Until Devyn flat out says no I'm not even going to try like Casey has, like Shauvon has, like Katelyn has (who I would say is like top 3 worst females) you can't even put Devyn in her league because I'm sorry she at least shows up and does her best.
Now does Devyn deserve to be in the final? Thats up for debate. I can see it being argued either way. For me, Given their situation, yeah she deserves to be there. Their team has played really well and shes was a weak link in the log challenge but in every other challenge she has done well, including the very first challenge. She hasn't held her team back and yeah she sucked on the log challenge and yes they won cuz of their strategy but I would only discount Devyn if they had the log strategy and still didn't win because of her.
Now for the argument she doesn't deserve to be in the final. Some would argue that shes not as athletic as the other girls and doesn't deserve to be there strictly because shes not an amazing athlete and she got a free ride. K then no one who's in the final right now deserves to be there except maybe Dustin. Lets be real. based on the people that were there for this season, mostly rookies who haven't proven a damn thing against some of the strongest in the game. Lets be real right now. Thats how I see it. Who actually "deserves" to be there based on the logic that only the best of the best should go and any weak links on a team don't deserve it. Honestly this is not strictly an athletic game. Will devyn do well in the final? probably not. Does she "deserve" to be there. Just as much as anyone else there.
and comparing Devyn to CJ is unfair. of course athletically CJ is more valuable than Devyn. of course. But strategically she wins. Because shes in a the final and CJ is not. End of sentence. Jonna may have gotten to the final had they put derrick and Jasmine in the elimination. But they didn't. The end. And honestly if CJ made it to the final would he "deserve" to be there more than Landon, or CT, or Evan, or Kenny, or Derrick, or Mark, or Johnny, or Tyler. On a real Challenge with stiffer competition how would he match up? I'm just saying its very subjective to say who deserves what and why.
I think its silly to make that argument, when shes obviously done her part. Its a team and each member of the team contributes. I actually believe that if any girl doesn't deserve to be there its Trishelle. Skipped out on two challenges and avoided an elimination. She held her team back and weakened her own team right now by being there instead of Nany. Yeah Vegas won today, because of Dustin though not her. Trishelle is a hell of a lot weaker than devyn. It baffles me. Call it like you see it? What crap. Sorry. I respect you have an opinion and all and I don't want to create animosity, but I can't even believe this is up for debate. Devyn isn't the very best ever, but shes ok, she holds her own. I don't get why we're picking on her when there are a lot worse.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329812]Ok...lets make a list of people Devyn was better than on this challenge. Big Easy, Lacey, Preston. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt over McKenzie and even lets just say Melinda and Jemmye, even though if I were in a final I would much rather have either of those 3 than her. So congrats, she was at best the 26th best competitor. I don't blindly think Devyn's bad, obviously I've put some thought into it and gave some solid reasons why I don't think she deserves to be in the finals. You haven't given a single reason why she should be in.[/QUOTE]
If you will read back, "challengegod" (ha) i listed more than one reason. You seem to miss things, so can understand your misguided opinion now.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329815]If you will read back, "challengegod" (ha) i listed more than one reason. You seem to miss things, so can understand your misguided opinion now.[/QUOTE]
I did read it back, all you said was she only messed up on 2 challenges (not true, she struggled on the 1st one and Brooklyn was in last until Big Easy fell, not to mention she missed her question on chairman of the board). Basically the only argument I've seen is well she's in the finals so she must not be that bad. That's such lazy thinking. And like I said before Casey won 5 exiles, regardless of who her partner was she deserved to be in the finals. Devyn did good a total of 2 times. I would really like to hear your argument on why Devyn deserves to be in the final over anyone that I mentioned earlier except she was lucky enough never to have to go into a real elimination.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329817]I did read it back, all you said was she only messed up on 2 challenges (not true, she struggled on the 1st one and Brooklyn was in last until Big Easy fell, not to mention she missed her question on chairman of the board). Basically the only argument I've seen is well she's in the finals so she must not be that bad. That's such lazy thinking. And like I said before Casey won 5 exiles, regardless of who her partner was she deserved to be in the finals. Devyn did good a total of 2 times. I would really like to hear your argument on why Devyn deserves to be in the final over anyone that I mentioned earlier except she was lucky enough never to have to go into a real elimination.[/QUOTE]
Are you even real? Quote where I said she messed up on two challenges. Seriously, not going to get into a mental dual with an unarmed person. Again, I see why you have the opinions you do now. You don't pay attention.
Strategy and making friends in the house doesn't count I guess. The rock Challenge she held her own with chet. The diving challenge she held her own. beat melinda (if Sam gets credit for jasmine its only fair. Sam and Trishelle = way worse than Devyn why aren't we picking on them?) and devyn is heavier than Camilla and Eric heavier than JD so its no wonder her and JD were trailing. Is Devyn better than Camilla no, but Camilla is one of the best. Sarah and Devyn won the tube bumping challenge as well. Yes Camilla deserves to be there more than Devyn but if thats what your arguing than that's a really silly argument, I would hope you could see why.
Wes Carried her bags for her come on and Casey has been on challenges since then and screwed it up for her team by either completely botching a challenge or refusing to do them point blank. If we put Casey and Devyn on a duel I would bet all my money Devyn wins. All the money and belongings I have that Devyn wins. You are blinded my friend.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329804]What have you been watching? She's done plenty. Did she crap out on the logs (her suggestion, by the way is what got them put in the correct order). Oh and she didn't eat her share in hunger games, etc., etc. You just seem to have some vendetta. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
She did plenty. Great argument. She ******* out on the log challenge, didn't eat her share in hunger games. Now I know I'm not as smart as you analogdog, but doesn't 1 + 1=2? Still waiting...
[QUOTE=Siright;329819]Strategy and making friends in the house doesn't count I guess. The rock Challenge she held her own with chet. The diving challenge she held her own. beat melinda (if Sam gets credit for jasmine its only fair. Sam and Trishelle = way worse than Devyn why aren't we picking on them?) and devyn is heavier than Camilla and Eric heavier than JD so its no wonder her and JD were trailing. Is Devyn better than Camilla no, but Camilla is one of the best. Sarah and Devyn won the tube bumping challenge as well. Yes Camilla deserves to be there more than Devyn but if thats what your arguing than that's a really silly argument, I would hope you could see why.
Wes Carried her bags for her come on and Casey has been on challenges since then and screwed it up for her team by either completely botching a challenge or refusing to do them point blank. If we put Casey and Devyn on a duel I would bet all my money Devyn wins. All the money and belongings I have that Devyn wins. You are blinded my friend.[/QUOTE]
Well said.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329820]She did plenty. Great argument. She ******* out on the log challenge, didn't eat her share in hunger games. Now I know I'm not as smart as you analogdog, but doesn't 1 + 1=2? Still waiting...[/QUOTE]
Again, ye old challenged one. She did NOT crap out on the log challenge, it was her stating what order to put them in that got them over. Oh, forgot. Editing only counts for you in other things. And she DID eat her share in hunger games. Those were rhetorical questions i posted. Duh.
[QUOTE=Siright;329819]Strategy and making friends in the house doesn't count I guess. The rock Challenge she held her own with chet. The diving challenge she held her own. beat melinda (if Sam gets credit for jasmine its only fair. Sam and Trishelle = way worse than Devyn why aren't we picking on them?) and devyn is heavier than Camilla and Eric heavier than JD so its no wonder her and JD were trailing. Is Devyn better than Camilla no, but Camilla is one of the best. Sarah and Devyn won the tube bumping challenge as well. Yes Camilla deserves to be there more than Devyn but if thats what your arguing than that's a really silly argument, I would hope you could see why.
Wes Carried her bags for her come on and Casey has been on challenges since then and screwed it up for her team by either completely botching a challenge or refusing to do them point blank. If we put Casey and Devyn on a duel I would bet all my money Devyn wins. All the money and belongings I have that Devyn wins. You are blinded my friend.[/QUOTE]
I never said Casey was better than Devyn, I said Casey deserved to make the finals of fresh meat more than Devyn did this challenge. You're right she probably would beat Casey in a duel because she's much bigger and stronger than her. That's why the only things she was good at this season are things that required brute strength, and that helped her team on exactly 2 challenges-the 2nd and 4th. Both those challenges were rigged, but I'll admit she helped her team out by beating Melinda (but like I said she has a huge weight/strength/whatever you want to call it advantage over Melinda. The tube bumping challenge her and Sarah had a huge advantage by having 2 people. Ya she never DQed her team but there was only 1 real opportunity to DQ on the 1st challenge. And the whole she made friends argument is fine, but I don't think that ever saved her team from getting sent in. Last week her team was saved in part because the other team wanted to ensure that she was in the finals. And don't act like she was the shot caller of her team, Sarah and Chet clearly ran the show. I don't know how you guys think I'm blind I think every point I've made has been valid.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329823]I never said Casey was better than Devyn, I said Casey deserved to make the finals of fresh meat more than Devyn did this challenge. You're right she probably would beat Casey in a duel because she's much bigger and stronger than her. That's why the only things she was good at this season are things that required brute strength, and that helped her team on exactly 2 challenges-the 2nd and 4th. Both those challenges were rigged, but I'll admit she helped her team out by beating Melinda (but like I said she has a huge weight/strength/whatever you want to call it advantage over Melinda. The tube bumping challenge her and Sarah had a huge advantage by having 2 people. Ya she never DQed her team but there was only 1 real opportunity to DQ on the 1st challenge. I don't know how you guys think I'm blind I think every point I've made has been valid.[/QUOTE]
Oh so saying Casey deserves to make the finals and Devyn doesn't isn't saying Casey is better? Makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Siright;329814] I think its silly to make that argument, when shes obviously done her part. Its a team and each member of the team contributes. I actually believe that if any girl doesn't deserve to be there its Trishelle. Skipped out on two challenges and avoided an elimination. She held her team back and weakened her own team right now by being there instead of Nany. Yeah Vegas won today, because of Dustin though not her. Trishelle is a hell of a lot weaker than devyn. It baffles me. Call it like you see it? What crap. Sorry. I respect you have an opinion and all and I don't want to create animosity, but I can't even believe this is up for debate. Devyn isn't the very best ever, but shes ok, she holds her own. I don't get why we're picking on her when there are a lot worse.[/QUOTE]
I think its awesome your defending Devyn but.. I have to ask what are these two missions that Trishelle sat out on because I only know of one.. The eating competition wasnt about eating food the whole team agreed that just coasting through that mission was a good strategy not just Trishelle.. The ship mission we saw she didnt go under water okay.. okay.. Next..
I think if trishelle was as weak as you are making her out to be she would already be home right?.. especially with how much slack she and her team have gotten on the show..hmm playing these games like this especially The Challenge to be a competitior is also about being able to do what you need to do to win.. Trishelle is no where near as weak as you say.. and Trishelle did what was asked of her in this past mission and they won.. You can say what you want but for her and him to be there and be the only two person team left and for the past two mission and be able to hold there own.. says she deserse to be there.. Devyn made her point.. and i think Devyn would disagree with what you have to say about Trishelle.. Trishelle knows she hasn't done the best during this challenge but dont take away from her what she has done right .. 2 screw ups out of 12 missions whatever keep it moving..
Sorry! i have to defend my girl..! :)
[QUOTE=analogdog;329822]Again, ye old challenged one. She did NOT crap out on the log challenge, it was her stating what order to put them in that got them over. Oh, forgot. Editing only counts for you in other things. And she DID eat her share in hunger games. Those were rhetorical questions i posted. Duh.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just making stuff up, because I literally just went back and watched the log challenge and Sarah put together the whole puzzle, and she struggled making it up the hill. I don't really remember how she did on the eating challenge, but who cares that proves nothing.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329825]Oh so saying Casey deserves to make the finals and Devyn doesn't isn't saying Casey is better? Makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that Casey was better and more deserving to make it on THAT SEASON than Devyn on THIS SEASON.
[QUOTE=Siright;329824]So Strategy and Weight/size/strength doesn't count now. Which is my point right here. By this logic Zach doesn't deserve to be in the final either.[/QUOTE]
What strategy did she employ? Did she snake her way out of eliminations like Jonna and Trishelle? She was the least important voice on her own team, in multiple episodes Sarah, Chet, and JD are sitting around talking about how much Devyn sucks. Zach swam today, he won 2 eliminations, he didn't struggle on the 1st challenge or the log challenge. 4 of those things weren't strength related, the only 1 that was is the elimination with CJ.
[QUOTE=ellethevegan;329826]I think its awesome your defending Devyn but.. I have to ask what are these two missions that Trishelle sat out on because I only know of one.. The eating competition wasnt about eating food the whole team agreed that just coasting through that mission was a good strategy not just Trishelle.. The ship mission we saw she didnt go under water okay.. okay.. Next..
I think if trishelle was as weak as you are making her out to be she would already be home right?.. especially with how much slack she and her team have gotten on the show..hmm playing these games like this especially The Challenge to be a competitior is also about being able to do what you need to do to win.. Trishelle is no where near as weak as you say.. and Trishelle did what was asked of her in this past mission and they won.. You can say what you want but for her and him to be there and be the only two person team left and for the past two mission and be able to hold there own.. says she deserse to be there.. Devyn made her point.. and i think Devyn would disagree with what you have to say about Trishelle.. Trishelle knows she hasn't done the best during this challenge but dont take away from her what she has done right .. 2 screw ups out of 12 missions whatever keep it moving..
Sorry! i have to defend my girl..! :)[/QUOTE]
I actually forgot about the food challenge although I wouldn't count it. I'm talking about 1 the diving challenge which put her team into an elimination in the first place and 2 her "dehydration" her choice to not participate in sitting in a chair to do Trivia. Listen I don't want to get into an argument about Trishelle because I know there is some excuse for everything that I'd bring up. My only point is shes not better than Devyn and I don't get where all this is coming from about Devyn not deserving to be in the finals when Jonna almost made it, Sam and Trishelle are both there and to me I don't see why Devyn is getting singled out. I'm not even defending Devyn I'm just surprised that someone can think this way after watching the season. I actually had Brooklyn pegged to go home early (before the challenge started) due entirely on the fact I didn't think JD and Devyn were good and I was surprised that now Brooklyn is in the final with all four.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329827]Now you're just making stuff up, because I literally just went back and watched the log challenge and Sarah put together the whole puzzle, and she struggled making it up the hill. I don't really remember how she did on the eating challenge, but who cares that proves nothing.
I'm saying that Casey was better and more deserving to make it on THAT SEASON than Devyn on THIS SEASON.[/QUOTE]
Just as I saw you post about editing earlier, it only applies when YOU want it to? Ask any team Brooklyn member who is the one who said, 'wait, put that here, not there.' And you admit that you don't remember the eating challenge! " I don't really remember how she did on the eating challenge, but who cares that proves nothing."
So done with your nonsensical rhetoric.
[QUOTE=ellethevegan;329826]I think its awesome your defending Devyn but.. I have to ask what are these two missions that Trishelle sat out on because I only know of one.. The eating competition wasnt about eating food the whole team agreed that just coasting through that mission was a good strategy not just Trishelle.. The ship mission we saw she didnt go under water okay.. okay.. Next..
I think if trishelle was as weak as you are making her out to be she would already be home right?.. especially with how much slack she and her team have gotten on the show..hmm playing these games like this especially The Challenge to be a competitior is also about being able to do what you need to do to win.. Trishelle is no where near as weak as you say.. and Trishelle did what was asked of her in this past mission and they won.. You can say what you want but for her and him to be there and be the only two person team left and for the past two mission and be able to hold there own.. says she deserse to be there.. Devyn made her point.. and i think Devyn would disagree with what you have to say about Trishelle.. Trishelle knows she hasn't done the best during this challenge but dont take away from her what she has done right .. 2 screw ups out of 12 missions whatever keep it moving..
Sorry! i have to defend my girl..! :)[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the ship one because Alton had to get her buoy and cost them 5 more minutes ... and then she didn't row the boat. Which is basically skipping out on the challenge.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329830]Just as I saw you post about editing earlier, it only applies when YOU want it to? Ask any team Brooklyn member who is the one who said, 'wait, put that here, not there.' And you admit that you don't remember the eating challenge! " I don't really remember how she did on the eating challenge, but who cares that proves nothing."
So done with your nonsensical rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
I really don't know what you're talking about anymore. Go back and watch it, Sarah clearly puts the puzzle together. Unless there was some major editing and you have insider information, I don't know where you're coming up with this. Ya the eating challenge does prove nothing of you as a competitor, how would it?
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329832]I really don't know what you're talking about anymore. Go back and watch it, Sarah clearly puts the puzzle together. Unless there was some major editing and you have insider information, I don't know where you're coming up with this. Ya the eating challenge does prove nothing of you as a competitor, how would it?[/QUOTE]
No need to go back and watch it, I KNOW what happened. And evidently the eating challenge does prove something, because there were those who went into the arena for failing it. Further, those 2 were merely examples. Remember oil wrestling, and the inner tube? Again, just examples.It appears as though you are the one who needs to go back and watch ALL episodes, although I'm sure you would still keep your undeniable bias against Devyn for whatever twisted reason.
[QUOTE=analogdog;329833]No need to go back and watch it, I KNOW what happened. And evidently the eating challenge does prove something, because there were those who went into the arena for failing it. Further, those 2 were merely examples. Remember oil wrestling, and the inner tube? Again, just examples.It appears as though you are the one who needs to go back and watch ALL episodes, although I'm sure you would still keep your undeniable bias against Devyn for whatever twisted reason.[/QUOTE]
Whatever man you're completely delusional, at least can you tell me why you think she put the puzzle together? Have you not seen me write a million times congrats she beat Melinda in wrestling that's not saying anything, and that the inner tube gave a huge advantage for having 2 people? For the last time I have no bias against Devyn, you have still given no reason why Devyn deserves to be in the final, its 5 am I have 2 finals tomorrow I'm going to bed.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329823]I never said Casey was better than Devyn, I said Casey deserved to make the finals of fresh meat more than Devyn did this challenge. You're right she probably would beat Casey in a duel because she's much bigger and stronger than her. That's why the only things she was good at this season are things that required brute strength, and that helped her team on exactly 2 challenges-the 2nd and 4th. Both those challenges were rigged, but I'll admit she helped her team out by beating Melinda (but like I said she has a huge weight/strength/whatever you want to call it advantage over Melinda. The tube bumping challenge her and Sarah had a huge advantage by having 2 people. Ya she never DQed her team but there was only 1 real opportunity to DQ on the 1st challenge. And the whole she made friends argument is fine, but I don't think that ever saved her team from getting sent in. Last week her team was saved in part because the other team wanted to ensure that she was in the finals. And don't act like she was the shot caller of her team, Sarah and Chet clearly ran the show. I don't know how you guys think I'm blind I think every point I've made has been valid.[/QUOTE]
And the whole she made friends argument is fine, [B]but I don't think[/B] that ever saved her team from getting sent in.
That part is true, but it got them saved plenty of times.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329835]Whatever man you're completely delusional, at least can you tell me why you think she put the puzzle together? Have you not seen me write a million times congrats she beat Melinda in wrestling that's not saying anything, and that the inner tube gave a huge advantage for having 2 people? For the last time I have no bias against Devyn, you have still given no reason why Devyn deserves to be in the final, its 5 am I have 2 finals tomorrow I'm going to bed.[/QUOTE]
Best thing you could have done all night. Gone to bed. No matter what she accomplishes, you say it means nothing. Whatever your deal is, you need to get over it. Nuff said, and not responding to anymore of your madness.
No argument about Trishelle needed.. Our opinions will remain the same .. Mine being Trishelle definitely deserves to be there you may not like how she got there but she worked for it.. still getting how far she's gotten Screw up's and all.. and pulling out a victory regardless of what ya'll think.. that mission required a team..
But any who I actually like Devyn..and i think she has done well this challenge.. so far..
She way more valuable on a team than Casey would be on the Ruins.. She was Horrid Brad was so pissed..
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;329835]Whatever man you're completely delusional, at least can you tell me why you think she put the puzzle together? Have you not seen me write a million times congrats she beat Melinda in wrestling that's not saying anything, and that the inner tube gave a huge advantage for having 2 people? For the last time I have no bias against Devyn, [B]you have still given no reason why Devyn deserves to be in the final,[/B] its 5 am I have 2 finals tomorrow I'm going to bed.[/QUOTE]
Devyn didn't lose. What more fundamental reason could there be to find oneself in the final challenge?
[QUOTE=Siright;329838]You're not really saying why she doesn't though are you? She didn't single handedly bring her team to victory, but she's held her own. I think you're arguing just to argue now. You clearly do have a bias against Devyn because there are two other girls there that are on the same level as Devyn if not worse and you are choosing to pick on her because she isn't an amazing athlete like Evelyn and hasn't done something above average. No person had said she is amazing, but we are saying she deserves her spot. She hasn't brought her team down once. Yes shes the weak link. But to say she doesn't deserve to be there and the others do does show bias I'm sorry.
Should she be in the final, is she good enough for a final. No, probably not. But did she play the game well enough to get there. YES. Does she deserve to be there YES.
and comparing her to Casey and saying shes worse than Casey...is the most mind blowing thing for me to have read.[/QUOTE]
Ive said a million times why! She never proved herself in an elimination, (and I'm not saying she should have lost on purpose.The goal of the game is to make the finals, not to prove your worth) she didn't play with any strategy (actually her best strategy turned out to be sucking because that's probably why St Thomas got thrown in instead of Brooklyn last week). By my count there were 6 challenges where she had a chance to either positively or negatively impact her team from a competitive standpoint. She positively effected her team in the oil wrestling challenge, and negatively effected her team on the 1st challenge and the log challenge. The rock challenge her team got last but it was fixed against them, the tube challenge was a huge advantage for having 2 people, and the abandoned ship challenge all she had to do was dive down 5 feet. So basically she positively impacted her team once. Trishelle is more deserving because she won an elimination round and was the smartest player in the game by getting Nany to go in instead of her, no matter how shady it was. Sam won 2 eliminations and is both a good swimmer and above average in physical stuff. Its also worth mentioning that Sam and Trishelle are probably better suited for a final, although i cant say that definitevly. But you're right I could have mentioned that Trishelle, Sam, and JD dont deserve to be in the finals. Oh wait, I did say that earlier today when I said the only people who could make a final on a normal challenge are Zach, Frank, Dustin, Sarah, and maybe Jonna (of the people who were left). And for the millionth time I said that Devyn would probably beat Casey in an elimination, but she clearly deserved to make the finals of Fresh Meat more than Devyn did this season. Nothing that I've said has shown bias, I haven't contrived any facts (unlike AnalogDog). That is why Devyn is undeserving of making the finals.
AnalogDog if I didn't have so many infractions on here I would tear you to shreds, and I hope others will read your posts and do it for me.
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