The Challenge: Cut Throat - Episode 7 Discussion

[QUOTE=jace89;221846]True, but most of these girls are intimated by the mere presence of laurel. Most of the girls on the challenges are 5'0-5'6, Laurel at 6'3* (i don't believe she's that tall) puts her at a severe height and size advantage. Ashlee to me is the only one who match her in every stat and not be intimidated.[/QUOTE] And we have seen before that stats really don't mean ****. If you would like to continue a discussion on how Ashlee would be one of the only people that could beat Laurel, please take it to the generic thread as it is off-topic here.

[QUOTE=Entropy;221893]I think he probably doesn't care, as it doesn't involved him at all.[/QUOTE] It's not really about if he cares or not, it's just what he thinks about the way Brad is playing. I'm curious to know CT's view as well, think it'd be interesting.

[QUOTE=AJHill;221860]That realization by Brad that there's no leader on his team was sad to watch. He's been on the most Challenges, gone into plenty of elimination rounds, and performed above average on nearly every Challenge he's been on. He was the obvious candidate to lead the team and call the shots, but I'm just not sure that he's comfortable taking the leadership role. Maybe being there with his wife, who clearly is swaying his game, has something to do with it. He should have stepped up as the leader at the start of things. I like Brad, but he's proved in this Challenge, and The Ruins, that he's not a good leader and is better as a complementary player, like he was on Inferno 2, and Gauntlet 3.[/QUOTE] I agree, but being the leader does always put a bigger target on your back. Which is why people are always trying to get rid of people like Johnny, Kenny, and Evan who usually take the leadership role. Brad has always been the type to just sit on the sidelines and let things happen and sneak his way into the final. I don't see anything wrong with that and I think that is a smart way to play. If there was someone else to take the leadership role on the Red Team I think they would have done very well. The team did need a leader and Brad should have stepped up, but I can see why he didn't because of how he has played in the past.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;221907]It's not really about if he cares or not, it's just what he thinks about the way Brad is playing. I'm curious to know CT's view as well, think it'd be interesting.[/QUOTE] He said something on Twitter yesterday to the effect of other than Derrick and Johnny, the rest of the cast were all ********. So, there you have it.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;221782]Cutthroat Dan >>>>>>> Island Dan. I definitely think Abram should have been straight up with Laurel. I think part of his decision might have also been influenced by Laurel's personality (I know at some point she said some really disrespectful stuff to him, although I don't know if it already happened). H[B]e wouldn't have needed to mention that part, but just say that at this point, they're all good players and just need to take turns, and they want her back, like how the Blue team is doing[/B].[/QUOTE] I agree. If they were going on performance, I definitely think Cara would have gone in, but it seemed to me that they were taking turns so Laurel doesn't have the right to get angry here, since it's fair. Then again, she seems not to care about "fair" but strategy" and in that case, she has a point. [QUOTE=Entropy;221836]Ok saw the episode finally and I have to say that I'm getting completely annoyed by Laurel and Sarah's sense of entitlement. I truly hope one day Coral does return on a Challange these two are on, just so she can shut them the **** up but I sadly know that won't happen. Laurel is still a rookie, yeah she made it to the FM2 final and dominated that Challenge but Jesus H. ****** you aren't gods gift to challenges. Her line "Cara Maria has never done anything like this", granted Laurel lasted more on FM2 than Cara Maria did but they have the same number of Challenges under their belt, or has Laurel been doing a PBS Challenge we never knew about. And Sarah? whatever really, its been debated to death and that topic bores me already. .[/QUOTE] Yeah Laurel is still a rookie, but to be honest, Laurel and Sarah have actually proven themselves more than Cara. I agree that it was Laurel's "turn" to go in, but no one can say Laurel and Sarah has never proven themselves, because they have. Eh, Laurel's attitude is not the best, but no one can call her weak, that's for sure. They rocked 90% of these challenges thus far, while Cara isn't bad, but clearly not as solid as them. I would like to see all 3 prove themselves a bit more though. [QUOTE=TDMEL52;221847]Molds I hate to disagree with you but I think Brad could easily beat Johhny in a gulag. [B]Against Abe, it would be an even battle, as well as against Derrick. We need to remember that Brad is a competitor and I think that if he stepped into a gulag, we would see the Brad that we all remember, the tough competitor that he is[/B]. A great example of this would be when he faced Abe in the Inferno 2 in a very close and competitive matchup.[/QUOTE] Are we watching the same shows???? Maybe Brad could beat Johnny, he definitely couldn't beat Abe in any of the challenge performances thus far (and I don't think in general), and even against Derrick? ha! Maybe he has a weight advantage, but like Dunbar, he looks stronger than his performance shows. Still, everyone can lose at some point..... it's just, to say Brad is on the same level as Derrick and Abe is.... laughable. I consider him second tier like on the level of Johnny.

Being a leader I don't think necessarily puts a target on your back. Timmy is a good example of that. No one ever conspired to get him out of the game, nor did they do that with Mark on Gauntlet 2. Brad was obviously the leader of the Challengers team on The Ruins, but no one really "wanted him out" like they do Johnny, Evan, and Kenny. Abram is the leader of the grey team right now on Cutthroat- no one has plans to throw him in. But that could purely be due to intimidation, much like CT on Gauntlet 3. I think what it comes down to is people just don't like them and sadly, I don't blame them.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;221937]Being a leader I don't think necessarily puts a target on your back. Timmy is a good example of that. No one ever conspired to get him out of the game, nor did they do that with Mark on Gauntlet 2. Brad was obviously the leader of the Challengers team on The Ruins, but no one really "wanted him out" like they do Johnny, Evan, and Kenny. Abram is the leader of the grey team right now on Cutthroat- no one has plans to throw him in. But that could purely be due to intimidation, much like CT on Gauntlet 3. I think what it comes down to is people just don't like them and sadly, I don't blame them.[/QUOTE] That's because Brad was doing as good a job "leading" on The Ruins as he is now. He's scared to sit in the driver's seat, because that means that if he loses, HE screwed up. No one else messed it up for him.

And who on the Ruins ever mentioned getting rid of Johnny, Kenny, or Evan aside from Katie? Even Wes never said their names to go in because he knew there'd be no shot. JEK had Derrick, Susie, Darrell, Johanna, Ibis, and kind of Veronica on their side. I can't think of anytime besides the Island where Johnny was kind of the leader that they conspired against a leader. Brad just isn't a good leader. Abram's name was only said for a Gulag vote when he volunteered himself. Johnny's name still hasn't been mentioned by his team. He can play the "my wife won't let me" card all he wants, but then he's scapegoating Tori as much as he scapegoated Camila and Brandon.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;221925]He said something on Twitter yesterday to the effect of other than Derrick and Johnny, the rest of the cast were all ********. So, there you have it.[/QUOTE] Don't think that twitter account is real. It hasn't been verified and it's not followed by the few cast members who are his friends on his real facebook account: Kenny and the Boston crew- Vinny, Cara Maria and Emilee.

I'm sad Camila got sent home (even though I knew she would be thanks to the spoilers) but she's become 1 of my favorite cast members, if not my favorite, on this challenge. & no Cutthroat Confessional this week? ***?

[QUOTE=mtvbore;222089]I'm sad Camila got sent home (even though I knew she would be thanks to the spoilers) but she's become 1 of my favorite cast members, if not my favorite, on this challenge. [/QUOTE]I agree, I really want to see her on the next challenge. It's weird because the red throwing her and Brandon in every time just made me love Brandon and Camila this season.

[QUOTE=JL81790;221997]And who on the Ruins ever mentioned getting rid of Johnny, Kenny, or Evan aside from Katie? Even Wes never said their names to go in because he knew there'd be no shot. JEK had Derrick, Susie, Darrell, Johanna, Ibis, and kind of Veronica on their side. I can't think of anytime besides the Island where Johnny was kind of the leader that they conspired against a leader. [B]Brad just isn't a good leader. Abram's name was only said for a Gulag vote when he volunteered himself. Johnny's name still hasn't been mentioned by his team. He can play the "my wife won't let me" card all he wants, but then he's scapegoating Tori as much as he scapegoated Camila and Brandon[/B].[/QUOTE] Well then why can't Brad just admit that he isn't a leader?

[QUOTE=eggs78;222087]Don't think that twitter account is real. It hasn't been verified and it's not followed by the few cast members who are his friends on his real facebook account: Kenny and the Boston crew- Vinny, Cara Maria and Emilee.[/QUOTE] CT_TheOfficial is the real CT on Twitter. And I misquoted him: "CT_TheOfficial Chris Tamburello this challenge should've been called Derrick, Abe, and the ****ty Bum Squad..." CT_TheOfficial Chris Tamburello @ @DerrickRwRr Good lookin' out! Heard rumors I was talkin **** about Kenny and Paula and I guess they originated from that goof on here. 16 Nov Favorite Retweet Reply CT_TheOfficial Chris Tamburello @ @DerrickRwRr it was @ctamb11 not @ctamb that's probably why haha 16 Nov CT_TheOfficial Chris Tamburello @ @DerrickRwRr dude's a total man fan... he's made fake accounts of me on here, myspace, and facebook like a ******' creepshow! 16 Nov CT_TheOfficial Chris Tamburello @ @DerrickRwRr made the account today... no idea what I'm doing tho! @ctamb11 has been posing as me on here for too long And Derrick verified that it is the real CT.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;222106]Well then why can't Brad just admit that he isn't a leader?[/QUOTE] Because then he'd have to admit that he's not a tough guy and his wife cuts his meat for him, too.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222108]Because then he'd have to admit that he's not a tough guy and his wife cuts his meat for him, too.[/QUOTE] That is just total bull ****

[QUOTE=V1man;222119]That is just total bull ****[/QUOTE] He shrinks away from eliminations, rather than step up and go in. If he were confident in his ability to beat opposing players, he wouldn't be acting scared and hiding behind "my wife won't let me". Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222108]Because then he'd have to admit that he's not a tough guy and his wife cuts his meat for him, too.[/QUOTE] Brad not a tough guy!? HAH! Brad and Tori are both incredible strong and powerful competitors, what they're doing is just good strategy. Each week their chances of winning the finals go up, it's really smart. Anybody who is money hungry and has all that power would do the same thing.

[QUOTE=SPK713;222121]Brad not a tough guy!? HAH! Brad and Tori are both incredible strong and powerful competitors, what they're doing is just good strategy. Each week their chances of winning the finals go up, it's really smart. Anybody who is money hungry and has all that power would do the same thing.[/QUOTE] But go watch the Feuding Royals (is that the name?) daily at Mtv. Brad flat out says he felt like he was playing Cut Throat with his "balls in my wife's purse". He laid back, showed absolutely no backbone and I'm sorry, but a "tough guy" doesn't follow what his wife tells him to do. If he'd really wanted into the Gulag, Tori telling him no wouldn't have mattered. Plus, he and Tori didn't even try on the last challenge. Regardless of whether Paula and Dunbar DQed or not, put some effort into at least trying to look like a competitor. He's ridden many coattails in his time. Again, just my opinion.

A tough guy doesn't get pushed to the floor like a five year old and pummeled into oblivion within a matter of 2 seconds either.

[QUOTE=townie;222130]A tough guy doesn't get pushed to the floor like a five year old and pummeled into oblivion within a matter of 2 seconds either.[/QUOTE] When your as drunk as he was, it's not very surprising how easily he fell to the floor. I'm also would guess most people would be pummeled into oblivion if the person they were fighting was a boxer. I have always liked Brad so maybe I'm a little biased, and Tori has never really bothered me. Because they're playing smart doesn't mean they aren't tough. Sure it's not the best way to prove that they actually can compete, but I think in past challenges they both have shown that they can hold their own in an elimination round. Saying that Brad is completely controlled by Tori is a little unfair in my opinion. Why should he force Tori to do something she clearly didn't want to do when they had already lost the challenge? I'm sure she wouldn't have been very happy about it. I remember in the Duel 2 Tori said that she wouldn't do another challenge without Brad, I'm curious if Brad feels the same way. I'm sure he loves having Tori there, but he is deffinetly different when she's not on the challenge.

Some people here wouldn't know strategy if it hit them in the face like a week-old fish. And, if you think Brad is telling the camera what he really thinks, then the level of delusion is even greater. Brad started playing the game before he knew the team configuration.

Brad is a good competitor and he should of took the leadership role on the red team. And if he wanted a strong team he should of sent in the weak, and not Camila and Brandon everytime. This is the first challenge where he is on the same team as Tori, and he wants to keep them both here so he needed to build th freind aliance in the red team to keep them both here. My opinion, i dont think brad would be playing like this if tori was on another team.

Why does everyone think Brad should have stepped up and gone in an elimination? There was no legitimate reason for him to go in...every time you go into an elimination round, there's a possibility you will get sent home. So why should he have put himself in?

[QUOTE=Youssarian;222165]Why does everyone think Brad should have stepped up and gone in an elimination? There was no legitimate reason for him to go in...every time you go into an elimination round, there's a possibility you will get sent home. So why should he have put himself in?[/QUOTE] If they were in the same situation they would do exactly what Brad is doing. They just want good tv, not going to lie, so do I. Brad not going in and just throwing the same people in over and over is boring.

[QUOTE=SPK713;222168]If they were in the same situation they would do exactly what Brad is doing. They just want good tv, not going to lie, so do I. Brad not going in and just throwing the same people in over and over is boring.[/QUOTE] No, I wouldn't. Brandon stepped up when he blew the swimming challenge, because that was the right thing to do. Brad didn't even try the last one. If I were in the situation and did poorly or didn't even try, I'd volunteer myself. Brad hasn't accepted the leadership role on the red team. He's the top vet on his team, so he should have automatically stepped up into the role the way that Johnny, Derrick (to a degree) and Abram have. Each team has an obvious top dog and Brad's the only one who hasn't stepped up once (either in a challenge or in a Gulag) of the vet guys. Brandon may not have done well, but at least he tried and stepped up when he failed.

Theresa took about twice as long as any other team in the Gimme A Hand mission. If that doesn't result in her going in next, I'll be very surprised. Johnny described it as "one of the most frustrating experiences ever." The only thing that might change it is if one of the other girls does very badly on the next challenge that Blue fails at it might overshadow Theresa's poor performance because it will be more recent at that time. Blue Johnny and Theresa 17:10 Emily and Jenn 8:36 Derrick and Johnny 6:24 Red Tyler and Camila 6:50 Dunbar and Paula DQ Brad and Tori DQ Grey Cara Maria and Abram 6:25 Sarah and Laurel 7:27 Dan and Luke DQ It's interesting to note how well Tyler/Camila and Cara Maria did. Everyone who was standing on the ground talking about how Cara Maria was weak and Abram was dragging her ended up not doing as well as them. I feel like Laurel has been trying to grind Cara Maria down and convince her (and everyone else) that she is a weak performer for the whole Challenge. Cara Maria referenced this during the Cutthroat Confessional, about how Laurel talked to her like she was incompetent before the mission. Even when she does something right (such as finishing first in the Bottleneck Stampede, or being careful during Sky Hook) Laurel always has some critical or mocking comment to make. It seems other cast members (Camila, Tori) are starting to jump on board with that a bit now. Another reason for sending Theresa into the next Gulag is that she's the most likely to be eliminated by the remaining girls, and if Blue only has $40k at the end of this, better to split it four ways than five ways. [quote]& no Cutthroat Confessional this week? wtf?[/quote] It's there. It's not listed in the text list for some reason, but it's in the picture-based menu thingy above it. [url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/the-challenge-cutthroat-ep-7-cutthroat-confessional/1652496/playlist.jhtml]The Challenge: Cutthroat | Ep. 7 | Cutthroat Confessional | MTV[/url]

[QUOTE=Blamo;222244] I feel like Laurel has been trying to grind Cara Maria down and convince her (and everyone else) that she is a weak performer for the whole Challenge. Cara Maria referenced this during the Cutthroat Confessional, about how Laurel talked to her like she was incompetent before the mission. Even when she does something right (such as finishing first in the Bottleneck Stampede, or being careful during Sky Hook) Laurel always has some critical or mocking comment to make. It seems other cast members (Camila, Tori) are starting to jump on board with that a bit now. [/QUOTE] I agree. For some reason, (it looks like) Laurel always has something to talk (negatively) about CM. She repeatedly voted for CM over Shauvon (2nd episode) and ayiiia (4th episode) even though Laurel said that she doesn't think ayiiia is stronger. [spoiler]CM clearly is not as strong as Laurel, but say CM is the weakest is quite stupid. The fact that CM made it during the final while Sarah didn't could prove more that she's a decent player, perhaps now that she's even better than Sarah ... well, besides the swimming ...[/spoiler]

[QUOTE=Hamahami;222251]I agree. For some reason, (it looks like) Laurel always has something to talk (negatively) about CM. She repeatedly voted for CM over Shauvon (2nd episode) and ayiiia (4th episode) even though Laurel said that she doesn't think ayiiia is stronger. CM clearly is not as strong as Laurel, but say CM is the weakest is quite stupid.[B][SPOILER] The fact that CM made it during the final while Sarah didn't could prove more that she's a decent player, perhaps now that she's even better than Sarah ... [/SPOILER][/B]well, besides the swimming ...[/QUOTE] If that's really a spoiler of this season I'm really ****** right now. And advise you to hide it in your post as well.

[QUOTE=townie;222130]A tough guy doesn't get pushed to the floor like a five year old and pummeled into oblivion within a matter of 2 seconds either.[/QUOTE] To be fair he was drunk as ****, and it was Darrel who has a boxing history.

[QUOTE=OrangeStar;222252]If that's really a spoiler of this season I'm really ****** right now. And advise you to hide it in your post as well.[/QUOTE] Agreed. ***!!!! I was trying to be SUPER CAREFUL about not looking at spoilers and you (not you OrangeStar) RUIN that for me!!! [QUOTE=SPK713;222271]Yeah but it really doesn't spoil the ending or anything.[/QUOTE] Right...because that makes it better. Now the Gulag for that episode is ruined for me.