The Challenge: Free Agents - Speculation (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=Debut Album;417261]And most of the elimination he's been in. He went up against people who he could clearly beat or someone who just handed him the win.[/QUOTE] In true elimination rounds Johnny has faced Duel: Tyler G3: Evan Ruins: Dunbar Cutthroat: Tyler Rivals: CT & Adam Exes: Mark Free Agents: Isaac, Jordan & CT This is far from an easy slate...actually one of the more difficult ones and I don't like Johnny The sad thing is you refuse to give credit when it is earned

[QUOTE=Debut Album;417261]And most of the elimination he's been in. He went up against people who he could clearly beat or someone who just handed him the win.[/QUOTE] Haha. I'm not sure how, for this challenge alone, you can compare what Johnny's had to do to anyone else. He'll have had the toughest road in the game when all is said and done. Zach only beat Brandon in a game that HEAVILY favored him. Johnny Reilly didn't go into elimination. No other dude won multiple eliminations aside from Frank. Johnny more than earned this win and he'll join a club of only 4 guys to ever win 3+ elimination rounds in a season and go on to win the challenge.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;417267]In true elimination rounds Johnny has faced Duel: Tyler G3: Evan Ruins: Dunbar Cutthroat: Tyler Rivals: CT & Adam Exes: Mark Free Agents: Isaac, Jordan & CT This is far from an easy slate...actually one of the more difficult ones and I don't like Johnny The sad thing is you refuse to give credit when it is earned[/QUOTE] Tyler and Evan I'll give you but that's it. He was a better competitor than Dunbar so he was gonna win that one. Adam(Paris) ****ed that one up for CT. Mark Threw it to Johnny and Isaac and Jordan both sucked and I don't know about this round with CT but I guess he wins that one so I guess I'll give that one to him as well when I see it. Oh and there was that classic Cutthroat elimination. So yeah. like I said in MOST of the eliminations he's been in he's been up against someone who he was clearly bettered as a competitor or was handed/thrown to him. I'm not giving him credit for **** because he hasn't done anything that anyone else hasn't done...well as of now at least.

[QUOTE=JL81790;417270]Haha. I'm not sure how, for this challenge alone, you can compare what Johnny's had to do to anyone else. [B]He'll have had the toughest road in the game when all is said and done.[/B] Zach only beat Brandon in a game that HEAVILY favored him. Johnny Reilly didn't go into elimination. No other dude won multiple eliminations aside from Frank. Johnny more than earned this win and he'll join a club of only 4 guys to ever win 3+ elimination rounds in a season and go on to win the challenge.[/QUOTE] Um no..his road seems pretty easy if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;417280]Um no..his road seems pretty easy if you ask me.[/QUOTE] Um...compared to who? Who on this challenge from front to back will have had to work harder among the guys? He had no one but Leroy on his side politically, went into the most elimination rounds and won at least 4 challenges.

Its really funny when people doesn't give johnny B credit for his 5 challenges wins. He is obnoxious and everything But come on.

Debut, who do you think has actually had a difficult elimination history in their "career"?

[QUOTE=PinkRose;417285]Its really funny when people doesn't give johnny B credit for his 5 challenges wins. He is obnoxious and everything But come on.[/QUOTE] I would give JB all the credit he deserves but he seems to neglect to mention how much help he's gotten in his past wins. On the Island it's was a weird challenge where he & Kenny pretty much strong armed their way to the finals and the only people who stood up to them were Rachel, KellyAnne, & Evelyn the rest of the guys were cowards who pretty much let them make it all the way. On The Ruins he was on a team with Kenny, Evan, Derrick, Wes,and Darrell against a team whose best players were Brad, Cohutta, Sarah, Kimberly, and KellyAnne basically he was on a stacked team against a weak team. On Rivals he and his boys Kenny & Evan pretty much ran the house and focused on taking out CT which they did in the last Jungle but rumor has it Adam threw it and let's not forget the final where Kenny & Wes had a huge lead after day 1 only to have it drastically cut from 45mins to 5mins. On Exes however I'll give him that one he was the best from beginning to end.

w8 so laurel wins? wich guy won? i dont feel like readin 8000 pages

[QUOTE=izDestiny;417290]w8 so laurel wins? wich guy won? i dont feel like readin 8000 pages[/QUOTE] Bananas [QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;417289]I would give JB all the credit he deserves but he seems to neglect to mention how much help he's gotten in his past wins. On the Island it's was a weird challenge where he & Kenny pretty much strong armed their way to the finals and the only people who stood up to them were Rachel, KellyAnne, & Evelyn the rest of the guys were cowards who pretty much let them make it all the way. On The Ruins he was on a team with Kenny, Evan, Derrick, Wes,and Darrell against a team whose best players were Brad, Cohutta, Sarah, Kimberly, and KellyAnne basically he was on a stacked team against a weak team. On Rivals he and his boys Kenny & Evan pretty much ran the house and focused on taking out CT which they did in the last Jungle but rumor has it Adam threw it and let's not forget the final where Kenny & Wes had a huge lead after day 1 only to have it drastically cut from 45mins to 5mins. On Exes however I'll give him that one he was the best from beginning to end.[/QUOTE] Regardless of having his friends on Rivals he and Tyler were still the best performing pair for the guys on the show with the most challenge wins. Very few people ever win the show without help and alliances. The last team that arguably one without it was Landon/Carley on Fresh Meat II, but they had Wes's group backing them for the first half of the show and Kenny's for the second.

[QUOTE=JL81790;417281]Um...compared to who? Who on this challenge from front to back will have had to work harder among the guys? [B]He had no one but Leroy on his side politically, went into the most elimination rounds and won at least 4 challenges[/B].[/QUOTE] And yet he still basically had an easy road. I mean look so far he's went up against Isaac and Jordan..both of whom has sucked ***. He's won challenges this season but so what? That's nothing new for him. [QUOTE=PinkRose;417285]Its really funny when people doesn't give johnny B credit for his 5 challenges wins. He is obnoxious and everything But come on.[/QUOTE] 4 challenge wins. When I officially see him at the finish line first on TV THEN I will give him credit for that. [QUOTE=kvm1977;417286]Debut, who do you think has actually had a difficult elimination history in their "career"?[/QUOTE] On top of my head I would say Derrick and Paula. There's probably more but I can't think of them right now.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;417295]And yet he still basically had an easy road. I mean look so far he's went up against Isaac and Jordan..both of whom has sucked ***. He's won challenges this season but so what? That's nothing new for him. [/QUOTE] And again...tell me who's had it tougher this season? Frank is the only guy that even a CASE can be made for. And the only reason he went in was chance.

I do say bananas is GOAT to these challenges.

Debut, do you feel the same way about CT? He's had a free ride to the finals on the last 2 challenges that he's done. Yet no one says anything because, well, he's CT and he's above any and all criticism. You could argue that he hasn't done a ton of ***** on his last 2 challenges prior to the finals. Where guys like Zach, Frank, and Bananas, who have all won once in their last 2 challenges prior to Free Agents, have gone into at least one elimination. Granted Frank and Zach didn't face any all-time great competitors, but still.

[QUOTE=TexasFight88;417309]Debut, do you feel the same way about CT? He's had a free ride to the finals on the last 2 challenges that he's done. Yet no one says anything because, well, he's CT and he's above any and all criticism. You could argue that he hasn't done a ton of ***** on his last 2 challenges prior to the finals. Where guys like Zach, Frank, and Bananas, who have all won once in their last 2 challenges prior to Free Agents, have gone into at least one elimination. Granted Frank and Zach didn't face any all-time great competitors, but still.[/QUOTE] CT is one of the biggest skaters in the game. People are too scared to throw him in/go against him despite the fact it has been proven many a time that he is beatable. CT deserves more criticism than anyone.

[QUOTE=LurkerNoMore;417311]CT is one of the biggest skaters in the game. People are too scared to throw him in/go against him despite the fact it has been proven many a time that he is beatable. CT deserves more criticism than anyone.[/QUOTE] Yeah. On top of the fact that Johnny is given **** for people "throwing" eliminations for him to win when there's no confirmation, but CT's last elimination win was handed to him as well, and it was actually confirmed by about half the cast that Evan was trying to quit. CT hasn't won a legitimate elimination round since the Duel.

[QUOTE=JL81790;417313]Yeah. On top of the fact that Johnny is given **** for people "throwing" eliminations for him to win when there's no confirmation, but CT's last elimination win was handed to him as well, and it was actually confirmed by about half the cast that Evan was trying to quit. CT hasn't won a legitimate elimination round since the Duel.[/QUOTE] Wow. Really? Not that I'm disagreeing with that, but it looked like Evan went to a great length to try and win. Didn't he make a cheat sheet on his arm?

[QUOTE=TexasFight88;417314]Wow. Really? Not that I'm disagreeing with that, but it looked like Evan went to a great length to try and win. Didn't he make a cheat sheet on his arm?[/QUOTE] JL's referring to Evan/Nehemiah vs CT/Adam on Rivals, not Evan vs CT on the Duel

Evan's cheat sheet was absolutely hilarious. He acted like it was completely normal. *****

[QUOTE=TexasFight88;417309]Debut, do you feel the same way about CT? He's had a free ride to the finals on the last 2 challenges that he's done. Yet no one says anything because, well, he's CT and he's above any and all criticism. You could argue that he hasn't done a ton of ***** on his last 2 challenges prior to the finals. Where guys like Zach, Frank, and Bananas, who have all won once in their last 2 challenges prior to Free Agents, have gone into at least one elimination. Granted Frank and Zach didn't face any all-time great competitors, but still.[/QUOTE] Well, lets look at his last 2 challenges and his "free rides". Did he go into an elimination round in either Rivals 2 or Exes? No. However if he and Diem do not win the last two power couples they are going in both times. He had a strong alliance with Bananas and Mark but he was the bottom of that alliance and he was going to go in if he didn't win. His free ride was earned by his alliance winning 6/8 power couples, including the last 5 power couples. Him and Diem won the last two guaranteeing themselves the spot in the final. Now Rivals 2, yes he played a brilliant political game by hooking up with every girl in the house and having Wes take a back seat and just be in the background but once again he and Wes won the final elimination to be safe and guarantee themselves a spot in the final, once again not skating to the end. Now in the case of Gauntlet 3, he was arguably the best competitor on the Gauntlet 3 and they won every male elimination challenge minus two, and there was no way his team would risk him when Danny was being a ******* and it was a win win whether Danny or Adam went home. The Inferno's, he won 4/8 possible life shields on Inferno 1 and sent himself in, literally preventing him from skating to the end to save a friend, David. Inferno 2 he won 6/8 possible life shields including the last two to guarantee himself safety and a spot in the final. The Duel he saw 2 eliminations eliminating Evan then loosing via a DQ to Brad. Rivals he beat Evan and Nehemiah which as said may have been thrown by Evan, and then he lost to Bananas and Tyler in an Elimination that Adam may have thrown. But no you are right, he is above all criticism and skates to the end of challenges on a free ride. :)

[QUOTE=LurkerNoMore;417311]CT is one of the biggest skaters in the game. People are too scared to throw him in/go against him despite the fact it has been proven many a time that he is beatable. CT deserves more criticism than anyone.[/QUOTE] ********. WHERE has he shown he's beatable? You mean by himself doing something dumb? No one has given this guy any trouble. And he "skates" through because people are scared of him. That's a whole lot different than skating through because everyone is your buddy. There's a reason they all fear CT.

[QUOTE=CTRoyLeeFAN;417323]Well, lets look at his last 2 challenges and his "free rides". Did he go into an elimination round in either Rivals 2 or Exes? No. However if he and Diem do not win the last two power couples they are going in both times. He had a strong alliance with Bananas and Mark but he was the bottom of that alliance and he was going to go in if he didn't win. His free ride was earned by his alliance winning 6/8 power couples, including the last 5 power couples. Him and Diem won the last two guaranteeing themselves the spot in the final. Now Rivals 2, yes he played a brilliant political game by hooking up with every girl in the house and having Wes take a back seat and just be in the background but once again he and Wes won the final elimination to be safe and guarantee themselves a spot in the final, once again not skating to the end. Now in the case of Gauntlet 3, he was arguably the best competitor on the Gauntlet 3 and they won every male elimination challenge minus two, and there was no way his team would risk him when Danny was being a ******* and it was a win win whether Danny or Adam went home. The Inferno's, he won 4/8 possible life shields on Inferno 1 and sent himself in, literally preventing him from skating to the end to save a friend, David. Inferno 2 he won 6/8 possible life shields including the last two to guarantee himself safety and a spot in the final. The Duel he saw 2 eliminations eliminating Evan then loosing via a DQ to Brad. Rivals he beat Evan and Nehemiah which as said may have been thrown by Evan, and then he lost to Bananas and Tyler in an Elimination that Adam may have thrown. But no you are right, he is above all criticism and skates to the end of challenges on a free ride. :)[/QUOTE] Thank you. What stupid comments people make.

[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;417324]Bullshlt. WHERE has he shown he's beatable? You mean by himself doing something dumb? No one has given this guy any trouble. And he "skates" through because people are scared of him. That's a whole lot different than skating through because everyone is your buddy. There's a reason they all fear CT.[/QUOTE] If CT were unbeatable, he'd have 10 challenge wins under his belt. If he was the Challenge god everyone made him out to be, he would have carried Eric to the finish line on Gauntlet 3 (or if he hadn't been scared to go in, he would've sent Easy home in a Gauntlet given the opportunity had presented itself). If he was unbeatable, he would be intelligent enough to learn from Beth's mistake and correctly unhook the carabiner. If he were unbeatable, he would have won Exes instead of gassing out. Winning the final two missions is meaningless if you can't carry through. CT sucks ***. He is not unbeatable.

[QUOTE=CTRoyLeeFAN;417323]The Inferno's, he won 4/8 possible life shields on Inferno 1 and sent himself in, literally preventing him from skating to the end to save a friend, David. Inferno 2 he won 6/8 possible life shields including the last two to guarantee himself safety and a spot in the final.[/QUOTE] Actually fun fact here, had CT been nominated for all 4 male infernos on Inferno 2, he'd have been forced to sit out all of them due to the rules regarding winning the life shield

[B]On top of my head I would say Derrick and Paula[/B]. There's probably more but I can't think of them right now.[/QUOTE] Can you really say Paula? The two challenges she's won were with Evelyn and Emily two of the strongest competitors on the challenge. Before then when it was needed for her to prove herself and win an elimination she would lose. All i can remember from seasons past with her is crying because her alliance wouldn't carry her to the top aside from Inferno 3. Everyone has said Paula is built for a final and she has proven that by winning 2/3 finals she has been in. Those finals being with Evelyn and Emily. After Inferno 3 I could never root for Paula, she just wanted everything to be handed to her. (Just an opinion)

[QUOTE=LurkerNoMore;417329]If CT were unbeatable, he'd have 10 challenge wins under his belt. If he was the Challenge god everyone made him out to be, he would have carried Eric to the finish line on Gauntlet 3 (or if he hadn't been scared to go in, he would've sent Easy home in a Gauntlet given the opportunity had presented itself). If he was unbeatable, he would be intelligent enough to learn from Beth's mistake and correctly unhook the carabiner. If he were unbeatable, he would have won Exes instead of gassing out. Winning the final two missions is meaningless if you can't carry through. CT sucks ***. He is not unbeatable.[/QUOTE] i never claimed he was some god. But okay here it is. can you REALLY compare what he did on exes compare to Johnny? CT Carrie muh more load on himsel in that final and let form walk through it while Johnny had Camilla putting in equal share, not comparable. And he's never shown a so of fear so please don't start that. And CT sucking *** is hilarious, he would beat any male(most likely) in a1v1 mission.

[QUOTE=MMC91;417342][B]On top of my head I would say Derrick and Paula[/B]. There's probably more but I can't think of them right now.[/QUOTE] Can you really say Paula? The two challenges she's won were with Evelyn and Emily two of the strongest competitors on the challenge. Before then when it was needed for her to prove herself and win an elimination she would lose. All i can remember from seasons past with her is crying because her alliance wouldn't carry her to the top aside from Inferno 3. Everyone has said Paula is built for a final and she has proven that by winning 2/3 finals she has been in. Those finals being with Evelyn and Emily. After Inferno 3 I could never root for Paula, she just wanted everything to be handed to her. (Just an opinion)[/QUOTE] You know what? When you think about it you're right. Scratch out Paula. I still stand with Derrick.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;417345]Can you really say Paula? The two challenges she's won were with Evelyn and Emily two of the strongest competitors on the challenge. Before then when it was needed for her to prove herself and win an elimination she would lose. All i can remember from seasons past with her is crying because her alliance wouldn't carry her to the top aside from Inferno 3. Everyone has said Paula is built for a final and she has proven that by winning 2/3 finals she has been in. Those finals being with Evelyn and Emily. After Inferno 3 I could never root for Paula, she just wanted everything to be handed to her. (Just an opinion)[/QUOTE] You know what? When you think about it you're right. Scratch out Paula. I still stand with Derrick.[/QUOTE] I would say Frank (Las Vegas) & Jill.

[QUOTE=MMC91;417346]You know what? When you think about it you're right. Scratch out Paula. I still stand with Derrick.[/QUOTE] I agree about Derrick. I would say Frank (Las Vegas) & Jill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MMC91;417347]I agree about Derrick. I would say Frank (Las Vegas) & Jill.[/QUOTE] Them too. They didn't pop into my head immediately.