Challenge: Rivals - Blood on the Dance Floor

[QUOTE=Bacchus;266128]Talk about making something on TV that was awkward even more awkward.[/QUOTE] What will be even more awkward are the tweets after 30k followers.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;266141]I definitely believe that for Johnny, but Kenny and Laurel had a really good relationship prior to Rivals and it's obvious from him switching up his t-shirt. I don't think he really wanted a reason to throw her in, but if there was one presented he'd do what he had to do in order to keep the mob happy.[/QUOTE] That's an interesting assessment, I don't remember too much about Kenny and Laurel's friendship before this challenge. If that's true, then it makes sense, and Kenny does have a tendency for hyperbole. It just continues to frustrate me how much power Kenny and his mob hold over all these challenges.

The producers did well with the set up of this challenge where the worst team automatically goes into the Jungle, but for the next challenge they need to make it where both the worst teams/individuals go into the elimination round. That would cancel out all aspects of game politics aside from challenge order.

I just watched the online exclusive. Jenn just shoved Cara Maria out of nowhere while she was arguing with CT. No way she should be allowed to stay after that.

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;266153]The producers did well with the set up of this challenge where the worst team automatically goes into the Jungle, but for the next challenge they need to make it where both the worst teams/individuals go into the elimination round. That would cancel out all aspects of game politics aside from challenge order.[/QUOTE] I think if the producers were going to do this, they should have done it on both female and male elimination day. I liked the obstacle course on FM2 that determined who made it into the finals. I wish it was the same on Rivals. I'm definitely with everyone who thinks the elimination round was contrived. It seemed odd.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266157]I just watched the online exclusive. Jenn just shoved Cara Maria out of nowhere while she was arguing with CT. No way she should be allowed to stay after that.[/QUOTE] Yeah because she hasn't gotten away with shoving someone in the face before now has she?

[QUOTE=Bacchus;266019]Thankfully, no matter what, CM has a [B]level headed stable[/B] guy like [B]Abram[/B] to go home to - win or lose.[/QUOTE] hahahahahaha!! you made me spilled my drink. anyways, I don't think I'm watching anymore of this season. Jonna/Jasmine are gone. What else do I have to look forward to. Nothing but predictability for these forthcoming episodes. Same drama. There's really nothing else left on this challenge that I find interesting and entertaining. Although I want to see which challenged CT slams in the next mission that was on the trailer.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266148]This was the worst episode yet. The mission was terrible, the Jungle was terrible, and the fight didn't live up to the hype.[/QUOTE] Clarke likes this. [QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266157]I just watched the online exclusive. Jenn just shoved Cara Maria out of nowhere while she was arguing with CT. No way she should be allowed to stay after that.[/QUOTE] She shoved Mandi on FM2. Obviously Jenn knows her limits so she'll be shoving people for the rest of her little challenge career.

It would be cool if people in the jungle could pick their opponent. That way if a team orchestrated a campaign to send someone in, they might get called out themselves. Just a few tweaks to the rules would make these shows fairer and more competitive.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266157]I just watched the online exclusive. Jenn just shoved Cara Maria out of nowhere while she was arguing with CT. No way she should be allowed to stay after that.[/QUOTE] I remember reading somewhere that when Jenn pushed Mandi on FM2, she reviewed the tapes with production and made the decision that she did not want Jenn sent home. I'm not sure if this was the case with Cara Maria and Jenn's fight on tonight's episode, but it could have been.

[QUOTE=Camille;265968]Tyler is a GREAT competitor I think. And it took Cutthroat for people to finally get a chance to see that because he wasn't taken seriously before.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I didn't give him much props as a competitor before Cutthroat. Now I love him and hope this episode doesn't change that! [QUOTE=danw34;266165]It would be cool if people in the jungle could pick their opponent. That way if a team orchestrated a campaign to send someone in, they might get called out themselves. Just a few tweaks to the rules would make these shows fairer and more competitive.[/QUOTE] Ya I think it would be a nice twist if the losers were sent to the elimination round but also were allowed to choose who to compete against.

[QUOTE=Vital;266166]I remember reading somewhere that when Jenn pushed Mandi on FM2, she reviewed the tapes with production and made the decision that she did not want Jenn sent home. I'm not sure if this was the case with Cara Maria and Jenn's fight on tonight's episode, but it could have been.[/QUOTE] I don't think it was taken to the same way as what happened with Mandi. Cara Maria said in a formspring question that she'd send Jenn packing in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=Vital;266166]I remember reading somewhere that when Jenn pushed Mandi on FM2, she reviewed the tapes with production and made the decision that she did not want Jenn sent home. I'm not sure if this was the case with Cara Maria and Jenn's fight on tonight's episode, but it could have been.[/QUOTE] This shove wasn't a big deal, she just kind of pushed her out of no where. Mandi didn't send Jenn home because she didn't want Noor to leave. That was the only reason.

[QUOTE=danw34;266132]The reason Jenn/Mandi haven't gone in is because they have a lot of friends in the house. The reason Cara Maria and Laurel went in a second time is because the other girls are scared of competing against them in a final. Jenn talks such a big game, but clearly the other girls aren't afraid of seeing her in the final.[/QUOTE] The reason they went in this time is because they lost, they have no else to blame.

I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of the show after this episode. They repeated a random Jungle out of the blue, where Jonna and Jasmine had absolute zero chance of winning. And apparently all of a sudden you are allowed to shove people against tables with no repercussions.

I don't think Jenn shoving CM hurt or anything like that, but does that mean she can do it all the time? What's the limit when you put your hands on others?

Mandi, aside for reigning **** supreme this challenge, continues to be one of the more annoying female competitors. I have no clue what Cara Maria said to her before this challenge or if they had some kind of alliance, but from what I gleaned from her rant was that they probably had some type of passing conversation where they both agreed that they would like to get to the end of the game together or something of that nature. For her to call out Cara Maria in that manner and call her a lying sack of you-know-what was absolutely uncalled for. If she considered Cara Maria a friend, then she would never have spoken to her in such a disrespectful manner. It seemed obvious to me that Cara Maria was calling out Jenn, so I don't know why she took it to such a personal level. I also get the feeling that all that big talk was also fueled by the fact that she had the backing of Wes and his alliance. It just screams cowardice and bullying to me.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;266171]I don't think it was taken to the same way as what happened with Mandi. Cara Maria said in a formspring question that she'd send Jenn packing in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE] I will definitely have to check our Cara Maria's Formspring. I love that gal. [QUOTE=Nightwolf;266173]This shove wasn't a big deal, she just kind of pushed her out of no where. Mandi didn't send Jenn home because she didn't want Noor to leave. That was the only reason.[/QUOTE] Cara Maria's reaction to Jenn slightly hitting her face was pointing and seeing if other people saw it. I took it as: "Look what she just did! Production, production! Send her home!" Thanks for more info on the FM2 deal, too.

I can see why their alliance would be more suspicious of Laurel hanging out with CT than they would be of Jenn hanging out with Adam. They've known Jenn for a long time and she's known Adam for a long time. They probably know she doesn't have serious feelings for him and she's proven to them that she can be trusted within their alliance. She's remained loyal to them throughout the game. Laurel is still a newcomer to the scene in my opinon, maybe the other people didn't feel as though they knew her well enough to trust her developing a friendship with CT that late in the game seemingly out of the clear blue.. As for CT getting involved with the Jenn/Cara Maria argument, I think he just did it to prove his loyalty to Adam by sticking up for who he thinks is "his girl" in that situation. But as for his comments about Abram, totally feel him on that. Abram did several club appearances out here in the area with Cara Maria when Cutthroat was airing and ran his mouth off saying negative **** about CT to people and club owners that CT has known for a long time, so naturally they reported it back to him. That's stuff going on out in the world...Abram has also ****ed CT over in the challenge world too. He used his swing vote for the last women's Inferno on Inferno 2 to vote with the girls and sided with them. If he would've voted with CT, they would've had that final in the bag because there's no way Shavonda was in any sort of shape to run a long distance final.

[QUOTE=Vital;266186]I will definitely have to check our Cara Maria's Formspring. I love that gal. Cara Maria's reaction to Jenn slightly hitting her face was pointing and seeing if other people saw it. I took it as: "Look what she just did! Production, production! Send her home!" Thanks for more info on the FM2 deal, too.[/QUOTE] I actually like the moment when CM did that. I still think it's unfair for Jennn keep on pushing CM and think that's ok

[QUOTE=townie;266192] As for CT getting involved with the Jenn/Cara Maria argument, I think he just did it to prove his loyalty to Adam by sticking up for who he thinks is "his girl" in that situation. But as for his comments about Abram, totally feel him on that. Abram did several club appearances out here in the area with Cara Maria when Cutthroat was airing and ran his mouth off saying negative **** about CT to people and club owners that CT has known for a long time, so naturally they reported it back to him. That's stuff going on out in the world...Abram has also ****ed CT over in the challenge world too. He used his swing vote for the last women's Inferno on Inferno 2 to vote with the girls and sided with them. If he would've voted with CT, they would've had that final in the bag because there's no way Shavonda was in any sort of shape to run a long distance final.[/QUOTE] If what you said is true, then go confront Abram. He's supposedly the one who talked trash about CT, not CM. Yelling and screaming at a girl who had nothing to do with you, is coward. I like CT until this episode.

[QUOTE=jbo29j;266177]The reason they went in this time is because they lost, they have no else to blame.[/QUOTE] You're right. But my point is this is their [B]second[/B] time in. Correct me if I'm wrong but their first time they were sent in because Paula wanted a strong team gone. Their first jungle they weren't the last place team. So if Paula didn't already have a target on them, this would only be their first trip to the jungle. My point is that the total number of Jungles a team sees, is just as much related to the politics of the game, as it is to performance.

[QUOTE=Hamahami;266202]If what you said is true, then go confront Abram. He's supposedly the one who talked trash about CT, not CM. Yelling and screaming at a girl who had nothing to do with you, is coward. I like CT until this episode.[/QUOTE] I agree with this, except I still like CT. If CT has a problem with Abram, do something about it when around Abram. Also, if CT is as mad about I2 as townie is, I will lose more respect for him. He seems over Eric about G3 but according to townie is still mad about I2. I don't know if I believe it but if it is then, CT, grow up.

Where did CT yell and scream at Cara Maria? Looked like he was simply telling her something rather calmly if you ask me. And trust me, what CT said to her there was NOTHING compared to the **** your white knight Abe said and did to her when they were dating. CM must've saw who the real piece of garbage was seeing as she dropped Abe like a bad habit and hangs out with CT pretty much every day now.

All he really said was tell your boyfriend I don't like him or something after he said it was too late to save yourself. It was unnecessary but not like he was pushing her or anything. He was talking loud and talking smack but mostly about Abe. It was unnecessary to be involved but I asked Cara Maria on her formspring to explain what wasn't shown to see if there was a reason he was involved. The Kenny/Paula fight on the online exclusives seemed a lot worse as far as a male/female fight . This didn't cause me to lose any respect for him though. Just a drunken fight, and smack talk. Cara Maria is real sensitive but after saying he will put Abe in his "back pocket" brought her to tears? Or maybe the Jenn thing on top of it but Johnny was referring to CT when trying to console her. Not sure why that is something to cry or flip out over, seemed completely alcohol driven.

[QUOTE=townie;266192]I can see why their alliance would be more suspicious of Laurel hanging out with CT than they would be of Jenn hanging out with Adam. They've known Jenn for a long time and she's known Adam for a long time. They probably know she doesn't have serious feelings for him and she's proven to them that she can be trusted within their alliance. She's remained loyal to them throughout the game. Laurel is still a newcomer to the scene in my opinon, maybe the other people didn't feel as though they knew her well enough to trust her developing a friendship with CT that late in the game seemingly out of the clear blue.. [/QUOTE] I could understand a slight suspicion, but Kenny, Johnny and Wes were making it out to be a big deal. From what we've seen, Laurel has never shown any visible sign of wavering on her alliance. I thought it was also unfair of Laurel to make CT seem like some kind of traitor when it was obvious that she wouldn't vote his way either when it came to challenges. If she has no loyalty to him, than what loyalty does he owe her? It's easy to pile on CT because he's been the "bad guy" in past challenges, and she knew that and added to that crazy-CT-wacko perception.

[QUOTE=townie;266192] As for CT getting involved with the Jenn/Cara Maria argument, I think he just did it to prove his loyalty to Adam by sticking up for who he thinks is "his girl" in that situation. But as for his comments about Abram, totally feel him on that. Abram did several club appearances out here in the area with Cara Maria when Cutthroat was airing and ran his mouth off saying negative **** about CT to people and club owners that CT has known for a long time, so naturally they reported it back to him. That's stuff going on out in the world...Abram has also ****ed CT over in the challenge world too. He used his swing vote for the last women's Inferno on Inferno 2 to vote with the girls and sided with them. If he would've voted with CT, they would've had that final in the bag because there's no way Shavonda was in any sort of shape to run a long distance final.[/QUOTE] Makes sense, considering that CT made a reference to Cara Maria being from the same neighborhood as him. Also, what did CT say at the end of the episode about Argentina? Dogs wearing clown costumes, clowns wearing dog costumes...?

[QUOTE=jojorules;266212]All he really said was tell your boyfriend i don't like him or something after he said it was too late to save yourself. It was unnecessary but not like he was pushing her or anything.He was talking loud and talking smack but mostly about Abe. It was unnecessary to be involved but i asked Cara on her formspring to explain what wasn't shown to see if there was a reason he was involved. The Kenny/Paula fight on the online exclusives seemed a lot worse as far as a male/female fight . This didn't cause me to lose any respect for him though. Just a drunken fight, and smack talk. Cara M is real sensitive but after saying he will put Abe in his "back pocket" brought her to tears? Or maybe the Jenn thing on top of it but Johnny was referring to CT when trying to console her. Not sure why the Abe thing is something to cry or flip out over, seemed completely alcohol driven.[/QUOTE]Did you watch the online exclusive? CT was threatening to beat the **** out of Abram and started mocking her while she was crying. This was easily worse than the Kenny/Paula argument.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266219]Did you watch the online exclusive? CT was threatening to beat the **** out of Abram and started mocking her while she was crying. This was easily worse than the Kenny/Paula argument.[/QUOTE] I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. She said you are lucky Abe isn't here he would kick your ***, CT said he would put him in his back pocket, hardly a death threat. He mocked her after she said that after she cried he wasn't saying really anything else. So saying he will put him in his back pocket causes her to burst into tears, so he made fun of her flipping out for it. Not a very nice thing to do in that situation, but i say a bit of overreacting by Cara M to burst into tears because of it. She did bring it up in the kitchen part to him, it turned into an argument. Stupid drunk argument, Ct should have just left her alone when she cried, he apologized on twitter for it it is clear they are on good terms now so it couldn't have been that bad. From what we saw, CT instigated it at the Bar, my theory earlier was defending Adam's girl and drunkness. So he did start it from the version they showed. She just re brought it up, but she was just defending her man. He was wrong, it just wasn't a huge deal he really didn't say anything at all besides his boston smack talk nothing personal besides just not liking him. Side note, bringing up Abe was unnecessary but if Townie is correct, than i can see how/why he did. If you know a girlfriend/boyfriend of someone talked about you behind your back, as soon as the alcohol flows, it always comes out anytime i have been in or seen that situation. They confront the person for them to explain why the boyfriend/girlfriend said it and it is some huge drunken ordeal. It is the combo of alcohol and gossip aka gold for cameras/MTV

1. Cara Maria was RIGHT during the line up discussion. Laurel was SPEAKING to Ct and Jenn was in his bed making out with him every night. *** difference does it make? 2. Jenn is all bark, no bite. I LOVED how CM stood up to her laughing and clapping in her face and daring her to do something. 3. Loved the next day CM's comments when Jenn was putting on her show in the kitchen making fun of her. "Have a few more drinks". 4. Lost respect for EVERYONE that wore blue tonight. It's one thing to support someone but when you see the whole house is bullying them... that's just cruel. Kenny made me happy and she knew about the Kenny Maria thing, she always jokes about it with him. 5. I hate Tyler this season. And Wes. The only thing that have to say bad about Cara Maria is that she loves horses? ****.. grasping at straws. Pathetic. 6. Used to hate Laurel but love her now. And I love that Evelyn wore Cara Maria's shirt.. she's always been one of my favorites. 7. Cara Maria is ****** stunning. Do you think that's why she gets so much hate? Alo, the DQ has nothing to do with her or Laurel really. It was a terrible challenge.