The Challenge: Rivals II - Discussion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348255]Totally. As predictable as the women side was, the outcome on the male teams is (Thanks to molds not anymore^^) very open and I'm sure nobody dominated there. Trey/Zach, Marlon/Jason, Ty/Leroy, Wes/CT and Johnny/Frank are all very good athletes and teams.[/QUOTE] Actually Zach/Trey winning early on probably means they were standout amongst the teams. Regardless of popular opinion here I still think they were in the top 3 teams and who they were elimmed by doesn't change my opinion. Zach wouuld probably do very well in a Duel (I'm thinking Finals) and Trey would make it far, I'm excited to see them as much as anyone else Edit: my main point was Zach isn't as weak as he's painted to be just because he's not the next CT. He's beeing unfairly compared because he's probably the only other huge challenge guy but just because he wouldn't beat CT doesn't mean he's not damn good or close to his level

[QUOTE=Snake19;348266]Actually Zach/Trey winning early on probably means they were standout amongst the teams. Regardless of popular opinion here I still think they were in the top 3 teams and who they were elimmed by doesn't change my opinion. Zach wouuld probably do very well in a Duel (I'm thinking Finals) and Trey would make it far, I'm excited to see them as much as anyone else Edit: my main point was Zach isn't as weak as he's painted to be just because he's not the next CT. He's beeing unfairly compared because he's probably the only other huge challenge guy but just because he wouldn't beat CT doesn't mean he's not damn good or close to his level[/QUOTE] I would find it very cool if anybody who has knowledge here, would say anything about the dynamics in the house, not alliances but who has made the most enemies for e.g. Who got along with who and who did not.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348273]I would find it very cool if anybody who has knowledge here, would say anything about the dynamics in the house, not alliances but who has made the most enemies for e.g. [B]Who got along with who and who did not.[/B][/QUOTE] You can kind of guess via Twitter

[QUOTE=mizwood;348214]Guys, are you saying we will see another elimantion round between Paula and Aneesa?[/QUOTE] I hope so. It's like the rivalry that never ends.

[QUOTE=Meelz;348280]I hope so. It's like the rivalry that never ends.[/QUOTE] Actually I want to see an elimination round between Trishelle and Aneesa after that uppercut...

[QUOTE=goodgirl;348277]You can kind of guess via Twitter[/QUOTE] Not really since Frank is following Johnny but not vice versa. Plus Frank wrote something about some people creating a fake harmony now following eachother etc.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348283]Not really since Frank is following Johnny but not vice versa. Plus Frank wrote something about some people creating a fake harmony now following eachother etc.[/QUOTE] I think Frank was referring to CT/Zach, I think Johnny/Frank's relationship is interesting cause Johnny never acknowledges Frank, Frank tweets stuff mentioning Johnny but Johnny doesnt respond lol even before he was agreeing with ppl on twitter who say they hate frank, I dont know if he was being sarcastic or not, and he hasnt mentioned anything promoting his team saying they'll kick *** or whatever, maybe since he lost hes already over this challenge lol but there was the pic of Frank/Johnny/Paula/Emily and they looked like friends there I guess.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348283]Not really since Frank is following Johnny but not vice versa. Plus Frank wrote something about some people creating a fake harmony now following eachother etc.[/QUOTE] Johnny is ignoring the cast as a whole on twitter, he only tweeted back few people while litterally whole cast tweeted him, I'm surprised Camila is cool with most of the people or at least seems so, you can see rookie girls and Marlon had some groups, Paula, Camila, Emily and Diem seem like friends judging by Diem's tweets. Frank, Jordan, Emily and Paula are the clique as they call it, Knight and Camila are "lovers" now. I don't know what girls seem to be cool with Cara Maria, I don't know about Cara, we'll see. I'm interested in what Ana and Jess' bio says how veteran girls targeted them because she supposedly hooked up with CT.

[QUOTE=goodgirl;348285]Johnny is ignoring the cast as a whole on twitter ,he only tweeted back few people while litterally whole cast tweeted him ,im surprised Camila is cool with most of the people or at least seems so,you can see rookie girls and Marlon had some groupe, Paula ,Camila,Emily and Diem seem like friends judging by Diems tweets ,Frank,Jordan,Emily and Paula are the clique or as they call it,Knight and Camila are ,,lovers" now ,idk girls seem to be cool with Cara Maria ,i don't know about Cara ,we'll see,i'm intrested in what Ana and Jess bio says how veteran girls targeted them because she supposedly hook up with CT[/QUOTE] Yeah, Johnny only tweeted to CT, Leroy, Emily and Paula. That's why I said Twitter is not as reliable as the knowledge of Molds, V1, the mods and the others (who are surprisingly quiet now!)

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348287]Yeah, Johnny only tweeted to CT, Leroy, Emily and Paula. That's why I said Twitter is not as reliable as the knowledge of Molds, V1, the mods and the others (who are surprisingly quiet now!)[/QUOTE] I just don't think they want to spoil everything, people want to know who wins, I get that but there's no reason to detail the whole show. I'm actually annoyed MTV said who hooks up, all we need to know now is alliances and daily challenge winners and we know everything. I'd like to watch the show with some surprises and I'm sure most people do here so I'm gonna have to disagree with the mods spoiling anything else, enough has been given out on vevmo/mtv so we know some stuff but still have a reason to watch

[QUOTE=Snake19;348288]I just don't think they want to spoil everything, people want to know who wins, I get that but there's no reason to detail the whole show. I'm actually annoyed MTV said who hooks up, all we need to know now is alliances and daily challenge winners and we know everything. I'd like to watch the show with some surprises and I'm sure most people do here so I'm gonna have to disagree with the mods spoiling anything else, enough has been given out on vevmo/mtv so we know some stuff but still have a reason to watch[/QUOTE] You're talking about Johnny Devevanzio and Frank Sweeney, people who are notorious of spoiling things that happens on/off the show openly. Their loose lips were a reason why many believed that they won this challenge. And I don't understand your position here, since you're in the spoiler thread were it's common that we talk/discuss about things before it happens thanks to people who thankfully share what they know, this is one of the main reasons why this forum has been a sucess. People like Molds, V1, Bac, even actual castmembers etc. inform you if something completly different happens or happened and in some cases they even light up some discussions or hype the upcoming show or even warn us not to except some things. Thanks to the work of them, Vevmo has become a site where spoilers are usually 99% correct, whoever has some knowledge they post it here or have the information from here. You can't really bring up the "no more spoiling things" card in the official spoiler thread. If you don't want to know things before it airs, then don't visit the thread. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348287]Yeah, Johnny only tweeted to CT, Leroy, Emily and Paula. That's why I said Twitter is not as reliable as the knowledge of Molds, V1, the mods and the others (who are surprisingly quiet now!)[/QUOTE] Sorry, shopping for a one-year-old's birthday party holds more interest than this next challenge for me.

[QUOTE=molds13;348293]Sorry, shopping for a one-year-old's birthday party holds more interest than this next challenge for me.[/QUOTE] No doubt! Life should have your most interest and not a challenge and btw Kids are way more interesting than a reality-tv show, but that doesn't change the fact that you've knowledge which you thankfully share if asked. You need to talk to V1, if he says that this season might be fun to watch, you should give it a chance.

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[QUOTE=GDInstall;348300] ... You need to talk to V1...[/QUOTE] We have no secrets. If I had grandchildren, I would not be thinking about Rivals II or RW Portland for longer that a few misguided seconds. ~~ This seems like a appropriate time to make a general comment. Anyone beyond age 14, with more than passing experience with Vevmo (as professional "fan"/viewers), should know that a trailer and intern-written bios rarely (if ever) represent reality. Together, they are marketing ploys designed to raise your interest in the challenge to a level at which you will watch, and you will encourage others to watch, as well. Along with that is their hope that you won't be so disappointed with the level of fiction in the marketing that you tune out as soon as the deception is obvious. What I hear is that this is going to be a very good challenge, that we'll be pissed off occasionally, but ultimately satisfied by a worthy season. Frankly, I put the pre-show hype into a tiny tiny capsule and...flush. I can wait for the real thing (and then I'll pick it apart, because that is what I do).

Why does it seem like most altercations on challenges these days are just one night, drunken mistakes versus actual, deep rooted dislike of a person that past challenges had? Emily/Veronica, Puck/Ellen, Julie/Melissa, Coral/Trishelle, Katie/Veronica, Tonya/Tina were all storylines that ran more than one episode and didn't have liquid courage involved. It seems nowadays the only drama we get is when the cast has been drinking, they argue, then make up or the storyline is dropped the next day/episode.

[QUOTE=Gucci Mane;348313]Why does it seem like most altercations on challenges these days are just one night, drunken mistakes versus actual, deep rooted dislike of a person that past challenges had? Emily/Veronica, Puck/Ellen, Julie/Melissa, Coral/Trishelle, Katie/Veronica, Tonya/Tina were all storylines that ran more than one episode and didn't have liquid courage involved. It seems nowadays the only drama we get is when the cast has been drinking, they argue, then make up or the storyline is dropped the next day/episode.[/QUOTE] Well there is still Dustin vs. Frank. Wasn't Camila vs. Frank/Zach/Knight a legit rivalry? They did make up, but not until they were in Thailand it seems. A lot of the drama from Seasons, the cast was apparently over and didn't really care for the most part.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348245]That would be a huge shocker if they won the first two challenges where the men were eligible only to be eliminated in the third one!!!:D[/QUOTE] Well they definitely win at least one challenge because in the trailer where it shows Zach for the first time you can see him holding pen meaning they decided the order for one of the challenges.

Does anyone know who won the fight between Marlon and CT or what people on the challenge say who they thought won. Very curious about who won that fight.

[QUOTE=Fullback12;348346]Does anyone know who won the fight between Marlon and CT or what people on the challenge say who they thought won.very curious about who won that fight[/QUOTE] I do not really think it was that sort of altercation if anything it was a little shoving match not a who punked who situation. The situation that I think will be most like that would probably be CT and Frank's argument/fight and judging from Frank's need to besmirch CT's character on Twitter, CT probably gets the best of him. Also I feel like CT and Frank were destined to butt heads because it seems like Frank yearns to be the alpha male in the house, like in BOTS, and that is a role CT usually fills.

[QUOTE=Fullback12;348346]Does anyone know who won the fight between Marlon and CT or what people on the challenge say who they thought won.very curious about who won that fight[/QUOTE] Perhaps you missed the discussion of Marlon's tweet letting people know that he and CT are fine with each other, that he was very drunk and doesn't event remember what happened. In such a circumstance, declaring a "winner" doesn't seem to be of much value.

[QUOTE=V1man;348396]Perhaps you missed the discussion of Marlon's tweet letting people know that he and CT are fine with each other, that he was v[B]ery drunk and doesn't event remember what happened. In such a circumstance[/B], declaring a "winner" doesn't seem to be of much value.[/QUOTE] This is another reason why I don't think that CT gets portaited like a villain again. CT is one of the few remaining fan favorites of the show and I don't think BMP/MTV will portrait him as a villain when he gets his first win espacially when he does this challenge with Wes (Who's production fav) and against Johnny/Frank, two of the biggest villains in RW or The Challenge history. Plus, it's obvious that at some point the storyline will be "Can these compete in a final and win won, when they almost quit the last one they did against Johnny?" Redemption, stoyline for good people.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;348418]This is another reason why I don't think that CT gets portaited like a villain again. CT is one of the few remaining fan favorites of the show and I don't think BMP/MTV will portrait him as a villain when he gets his first win espacially when he does this challenge with Wes (Who's production fav) and against Johnny/Frank, two of the biggest villains in RW or The Challenge history. Plus, it's obvious that at some point the storyline will be "Can these compete in a final and win won, when they almost quit the last one they did against Johnny?" Redemption, storyline for good people.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting that Marlon is smart enough to realize (or has been told by production) that CT will be the favored story line this season and that is reflected in his twitter comment? If either is the case, then he is smart to get on the right side of the edit early. This means that production knows they can work with him in the future -- and informed viewers (you guys) won't hold the CT-confrontation again Marlon. Drunk when no harm is done is usually forgiven, especially if it is entertaining (e.g., Brad's drunken arrest on RW San Diego -- hilarious!).

[QUOTE=V1man;348421]Drunk when no harm is done is usually forgiven, especially if it is entertaining (e.g., Brad's drunken arrest on RW San Diego -- hilarious!).[/QUOTE] The Miz making his first appearance on a Challenge as Mike gets drunk in Cabo and rants away to Coral is hysterical. Of course, the follow up of Sidekick Showdown made even better.

[QUOTE=V1man;348421]Are you suggesting that Marlon is smart enough to realize (or has been told by production) that CT will be the favored story line this season and that is reflected in his twitter comment? If either is the case, then he is smart to get on the right side of the edit early. This means that production knows they can work with him in the future -- and informed viewers (you guys) won't hold the CT-confrontation again Marlon. Drunk when no harm is done is usually forgiven, especially if it is entertaining (e.g., Brad's drunken arrest on RW San Diego -- hilarious!).[/QUOTE] Usually I understand your jokes, but this time I'm not sure if serious or playing the joker? I think you just need to watch the trailer and you could tell that at least five storylines are connected with CT. Almost all the big moments had CT involved. And judging from twitter, everybody wrote something about CT. You don't need to be that smart to realize that you better not make the fans angry^^

[QUOTE=Desertpuma;348424]The Miz making his first appearance on a Challenge as Mike gets drunk in Cabo and rants away to Coral is hysterical. Of course, the follow up of Sidekick Showdown made even better.[/QUOTE] Yes, those were the good days... [QUOTE=GDInstall;348425]Usually I understand your jokes, but this time I'm not sure if serious or playing the joker?[/QUOTE] It's both serious and joking, so I understand the confusion. Unfortunately, as I reread my comment, I'm not sure about which part I'm actually serious. :confused:

[QUOTE=V1man;348427]Yes, those were the good days... [/QUOTE] I would love to see Timmy as a host to be honest. There would be some golden moments with him as a host and I'm fairly certain the entertainment value would go up.

[QUOTE=V1man;348427] It's both serious and joking, so I understand the confusion. Unfortunately, as I reread my comment, I'm not sure about which part I'm actually serious. :confused:[/QUOTE] Try it! Bad, bad man:D

It looks like this season will have it's fair share of actually fighting and or grappling at least. As opposed to seasons 2 which was a lot of get up in the guys face and talk crap but never do anything. But i just can't see how magically on the challenge they woudl allow frank or ct or anyoneo to throw punches and not be thrown off. Yes they are allowing it on the rw, but they have on a few seasons had some swings thrown and had people not thrown off,i think it's based on who does it on the rw show itself. But on the challenge, if adam royer gets sent home for basically slapping ty's face, than i don't think this season they would all the sudden allow full on fists being thrown. Frank did hint that he uses his hand in violence, but to him that could just mean shoving he doens't seem like the type to throw a punch, rather the wes type to try to get someone to punch him. At worst ct appears to throw Ty into a table after grabbing his head, and it appears he does it with force, so that alone is a fine line. I would say since it is the last show maybe tey allow more, but they still have insurance and all that too, so i just don't see going from 0 to 100.