The Challenge: Rivals II - Discussion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;338087]I never understood the Trey hate, haha. I forgot which poster but someone mentioned Adam King in a picture with Johnny B, Leroy and Paula. I would like for that person to bring that up again.[/QUOTE] There is no way to tell it's Adam king, it's the back of the guy and it could be anyone, it's probably about 100 pages back.

At this point we can kick this list to the curbs because now we know for sure that the cast had internet access up until an hour ago(maybe still do!)

[QUOTE=LexBlair;338089]At this point we can kick this list to the curbs because now we know for sure that the cast had internet access up until an hour ago(maybe still do!)[/QUOTE] Not really. No one major has tweeted since leaving who people would probably start tweeting asking questions. Like Johnny/CT. A text from Knight posted on someone elses page that was quickly removed doesn't qualify as internet. The Portland cast will be able to Tweet/FB to promote the season. Anything to help fan interaction/ratings BMP/MTV will encourage them to be on. The best people most likely to not use Twitter are the real heavy hitters like I mentioned above. If CT or Johnny start posting on Twitter then they'll all be allowed, but I doubt we'll see that happen.

[QUOTE=LexBlair;338089]At this point we can kick this list to the curbs because now we know for sure that the cast had internet access up until an hour ago(maybe still do!)[/QUOTE] This is not necessarily true. We speculated that the Portland cast would be given internet access to promote their season since that's what happened on the last challenge with Marie and Robb. It is possible a person from Portland told someone about Jess and Trey and then it found its way back to Knight who then told Laura.

Figured I'd post an updated list of major speculation since it hasn't been posted in about 10 pages Confirmed: [B][U]Veteran Males[/U][/B] 1. Chris Tamburello 2. Dunbar Merril 3. Johnny Bananas 4. Wes Bergmann 5. Leroy Garrett 6. Derek Chavez 7. Tyrie Ballard 8. ? [B][U] Veteran Females[/U][/B] 1. Paula Meronek 2. Diem Brown 3. Trishelle Cannatella 4. Sarah Rice 5. Jonna Mannion 6. Camila Nakagawa 7. ? 8. ? [B][U]Rookie Males[/U][/B] 1. Frank Sweeney 2. Jordan Wiseley 3. Marlon Williams 4. Zach Nichols 5. Trey Weatherholtz 6. Robb Schreiber 7. ? 8. ? [B][U]Rookie Females[/U][/B] 1. Anastasia Miller 2. Jessica McCain 3. Nany Gonzalez 4. Jemmye Carroll 5. Naomi Defensor 6. Heather Cooke 7. ? 8. ? Alternates: Laura Waller - blood work done Ryan Knight - blood work done - Text to Laura Cara Maria- blood work-unlikely due to tweets Theresa from FM2 is in or she is a "back - up '' if someone gets DQ...a friend told me Possible: - Jasmine, Emily S, Aneesa, , Devyn, Mandi, Coral - Abe, leaning no, tweeted earlier --Swift per speculation on here [B]Update:[/B] Knight text to Laura, potential Rookie Male..Abram from possible to most likely not..Numbered each area for easier viewing

Well that information did not sit well with Laura: [LIST] [*][INDENT][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV"][B]Laura Lee Waller[/B] ‏[COLOR=#999999]@[B]LauraLeeMTV[/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV/status/316694095420600321"]53m[/URL][/B] [B]I am nice. Until you **** with me. You don't want to come face to face with the wrath of Laura. [URL="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23tickingtimebomb&src=hash"]#[B]tickingtimebomb[/B][/URL][B] 💣💣💣💣💣[/B][/B] [B][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV/status/316694095420600321"][B][COLOR=#EB1D61]Expand[/COLOR][/B][/URL][B] [LIST] [*][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV#"] [B]Reply [/B][/URL] [*][B][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV#"] [B]Retweet [/B][/URL][/B] [*][B][B][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV#"] [B]Favorite [/B][/URL][/B][/B] [*][B][B][B][I] [B]More[/B][/I][/B][/B] [/LIST] [/B][/B][/B] [/INDENT] [*][I][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV"][B]Laura Lee Waller[/B] ‏[COLOR=#999999]@[B]LauraLeeMTV[/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][URL="https://twitter.com/LauraLeeMTV/status/316693200339341312"]57m[/URL][/B] [********] [/I] [/LIST]

His initial post to her was a mere hour ago... It was through TwitterIM, which requires internet access=he had internet access, people...

[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;338004]They aren't stacked but I'm just open to give people a chance. I like Nany and hopefully Cokke is on this for sure. I don't know of Ana and Jessica (no one does) so I'm interested in seeing what they can do. The only one I don't care for is Naomi but I'm sure she's there for drama purposes and to stress/stalk the **** out of Leroy.[/QUOTE] Judging by her tweets, I think Naomi will be perusing Marlon on this one. She probably still be stressing/stalking Leroy though.

Why are we assuming 32 people? Is there anything behind that or just seems like a good number?

Well, I do simple math 8 x 4 = 32

V1Man made a statement about 8,8,8,8..16 on each team 8 of each *** so we've assembled the cast list accordingly, earlier today though he said he did not know the format. So I'm guessing he only knows the # of people going and we obvs need someone to let us know the actual format whether it be gauntlet, inferno, ruins or something else

[QUOTE=V1man;338097]Well, I do simple math 8 x 4 = 32[/QUOTE] I'm not questioning the math behind it I'm questioning 16 (8M/8W) on each team

[QUOTE=LexBlair;338094]His initial post to her was a mere hour ago... It was through TwitterIM, which requires internet access=he had internet access, people...[/QUOTE] I'm sure if he has a phone internet is available everywhere even if it's using a local wifi hotspot, using the internet isn't the thing. I'm sure they can make texts/phone calls on cells. The actual thing behind "no internet" isn't really no [b]internet[/b], it's no [b]tweeting/facebooking[/b]

[QUOTE=Snake19;338098]So I'm guessing he only knows the # of people going and we obvs need someone to let us know the actual format whether it be gauntlet, inferno, ruins or something else[/QUOTE] I'll tell you, it won't be a Rookies vs Vets. BMP is too smart for that, or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.

Mandi posted on Facebook, she's out!

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;338103]I'll tell you, it won't be a Rookies vs Vets. BMP is too smart for that, or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why that's "the smart move" The rumored cast would be a disaster for a Duel. I'm leaning toward--Rooks vs. Vets or Champs vs. Challengers. It just better not be a pair challenge.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;338099]I'm not questioning the math behind it I'm questioning 16 (8M/8W) on each team[/QUOTE] I've counted 8 veteran men; therefore, I assume there are 8 veteran women and a similar number of rookies -- or there are four alternates.

[QUOTE=V1man;338106]I've counted 8 veteran men; therefore, I assume there are 8 veteran women and a similar number of rookies.[/QUOTE] The list has 7 which is why I was wondering why we jumped to 8--not that I have a problem with 8 or don't trust you. Just had no idea where it came from.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;338105]I'm not sure why that's "the smart move" The rumored cast would be a disaster for a Duel. I'm leaning toward--Rooks vs. Vets or Champs vs. Challengers. It just better not be a pair challenge.[/QUOTE] They don´t have the numbers for Champ vs Challengers... and while I do not give them all to much credit, I do believe that they realize that this is not the Duel cast people have been waiting for years. Rookie&Vet pair-up could be still possible alá FM

[QUOTE=kvm1977;338107]The list has 7 which is why I was wondering why we jumped to 8--not that I have a problem with 8 or don't trust you. Just had no idea where it came from.[/QUOTE] "The list" is nothing I've contributed to.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;338105]I'm not sure why that's "the smart move" The rumored cast would be a disaster for a Duel. I'm leaning toward--Rooks vs. Vets or Champs vs. Challengers. It just better not be a pair challenge.[/QUOTE] Its not a smart move because the format needs to capture the attention of new viewers. The only people who will care for a Rooks vs Vets are the superfans who will be watching no matter what the format. The format needs to be simple to grasp: Rivals 2 Battle of the Sexes II Heroes vs Villains

[QUOTE=V1man;338109]"The list" is nothing I've contributed to.[/QUOTE] True story but that's all I had to go with considering I had no idea the 8/8/8/8 came from you. Sorry, I didn't read through 30 pages or whatever since last night

[QUOTE=kvm1977;338111]True story but that's all I had to go with considering I had no idea the 8/8/8/8 came from you. Sorry, I didn't read through 30 pages or whatever since last night[/QUOTE] Fair enough. Asked and answered. Moving on.

K so when are we getting the list. This is getting obnoxious.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;338110]Its not a smart move because the format needs to capture the attention of new viewers. The only people who will care for a Rooks vs Vets are the superfans who will be watching no matter what the format. The format needs to be simple to grasp: Rivals 2 Battle of the ***es II Heroes vs Villains[/QUOTE] Well, it would be Battles of the ***es III and without Evelyn and Laurel we're just giving the guys another win. Rivals 2 is a horrible idea--absolutely awful. No pairs--no pairs of the same ***. Not sure what could Heroes vs. Villains would do. I don't think any of those 3 generate new fans. You have to bring back old-time vets to bring back old-fans. I don't see any "new fans" coming unless they just stumble upon Portland. I'm also not sure what is "difficult" about vets vs. rookies--it would be explained. it isn't like "new fans" understand why people are rivals or villains or heroes.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;338110]Its not a smart move because the format needs to capture the attention of new viewers. The only people who will care for a Rooks vs Vets are the superfans who will be watching no matter what the format. The format needs to be simple to grasp: Rivals 2 Battle of the Sexes II Heroes vs Villains[/QUOTE] Yeah but does this cast fit any of this categories? No...

I'm I the only one that's kinda tired of pairs? I mean it seems like at least two or three strong competitors get stuck with complete liabilities.

New fans will always come from the prior Real World. Assuming the people going are likable (or dramatic) from the season. I guess we'll see tomorrow the type of following the Portland cast will have based on season strength

You know what I am gonna throw it out there.... BFFs?!

[QUOTE=JodyBreeze;338117]I'm I the only one that's kinda tired of pairs? I mean it seems like at two or three strong competitors get stuck with complete liabilities.[/QUOTE] No, if this season features pairs I'm done.