The Challenge: Rivals II - Informed Speculation (Spoilers)

Oh, I also support Cooke/Cara Maria.

[QUOTE=Blue123;341678]Who did you say was with Johnny?[/QUOTE] I said I think it is Johnny and Frank.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;341679]I said I think it is Johnny and Frank.[/QUOTE] So its an "I think" not a for sure, but CT is a definite no right? If CT is a no, then are you thinking its Wes/Johnny, if its not Frank/Johnny?

[QUOTE=Blue123;341680]So its an "I think" not a for sure, but CT is a definite no right? If CT is a no, then are you thinking its Wes/Johnny, if its not Frank/Johnny?[/QUOTE] That would be valid statement. If it's not Johnny/Frank than my second guess would be Johnny/Wes.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;341681]That would be valid statement. If it's not Johnny/Frank than my second guess would be Johnny/Wes.[/QUOTE] Interesting, so if Wes/Johnny are together, whose with CT&Frank? If its Ty/CT then whose with Leroy?

[QUOTE=Blue123;341682]Interesting, so if Wes/Johnny are together, whose with CT&Frank? If its Ty/CT then whose with Leroy?[/QUOTE] I haven't given it much thought to be honest. Leroy, to me, is a wild card.

[QUOTE=Blue123;341680]So its an "I think" not a for sure, but CT is a definite no right? If CT is a no, then are you thinking its Wes/Johnny, if its not Frank/Johnny?[/QUOTE] What's a "definite" no? That CT is with Johnny? Did I miss where that happened?

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;341683]I haven't given it much thought to be honest. Leroy, to me, is a wild card.[/QUOTE] Alright then forget Leroy, whose with Frank if Johnny took Wes?

[QUOTE=Snake19;341684]What's a "definite" no? That CT is with Johnny? Did I miss where that happened?[/QUOTE] Molds didnt say that, thats what that dude said, and I'm not allowed to question his credentials or how he knows that info. (not being rude realitytvguy, just stating what you told me)

[QUOTE=Blue123;341685]Alright then forget Leroy, whose with Frank if Johnny took Wes?[/QUOTE] I know Molds is gonna be livid, reading through this thread, but it can be Frank and Zach or even Frank and Trey.

Can you all stop trying to GUESS what the teams are? Speculation isn't simply saying "I think this guy is with this guy because I said so"

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;341687]I know Molds is gonna be livid, reading through this thread, but it can be Frank and Zach or even Frank and Trey.[/QUOTE] Ok I'll stop the questions, its kinda going in circles and im getting confused, I'm just picking your brain cause I dont know whose with who and you said you KNOW CT/Johnny arnt, so there has to be some other way its supposed to work but I just dont see it. Frank or Zach/Trey or Zach/Frank will leave CT out if Johnny/Wes are together.

[QUOTE=Blue123;341689]Ok I'll stop the questions, its kinda going in circles and im getting confused, I'm just picking your brain cause I dont know whose with who and you know CT/Johnny arnt. Frank or Zach/Trey or Zach/Frank will leave CT out if Johnny/Wes are together.[/QUOTE] All will be revealed soon enough. I'm not trying to get you confused, just throwing up different scenarios.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;341690]All will be revealed soon enough. I'm not trying to get you confused, just throwing up different scenarios.[/QUOTE] How would you "know" CT and Johnny aren't together but don't "know" any of the pairs. Are you making educated guesses or know people?

Yea crazyRealityGuy, I asked how you knew yesterday cause the rest of us have to give reasons why we think things, I didnt know you were an insider and I'm guessing others didnt either ^^ if someone from the cast or whatever told him then he cant out that person. But ya I agree with Snake if something definitely cant be then other solutions have to work and I dont see it, cause Johnny/Frank have to be if Johnny/CT arnt cause it messes everything else up. But ya we will see, hopefully soon cause the suspense is killing me, hopefully one of the big dogs loses before the final so we can get a hint.

[QUOTE=Blue123;341693]Yea crazyRealityGuy, I asked how you knew yesterday cause the rest of us have to give reasons why we think things, I didnt know you were an insider and I'm guessing others didnt either ^^ if someone from the cast or whatever told him then he cant out that person. But ya I agree with Snake if something definitely cant be then other solutions have to work and I dont see it, cause Johnny/Frank have to be if Johnny/CT arnt cause it messes everything else up. But ya we will see, hopefully soon cause the suspense is killing me, hopefully one of the big dogs loses before the final so we can get a hint.[/QUOTE] My guess is he's taking educated guesses. On Twitter JEKDynasty is claiming he knows it's CT/Johnny and earlier in this thread someone said they knew someone and it was CT/Johnny as well. Typically when something is "known" it gets put up, so I think everything is just a guess at this point. Reading on Twitter there's still an opinion this isn't even Rivals, so unless its in an official thread on here it should probably be taken with a grain of salt

[QUOTE=Snake19;341603]No? My (obvious) point was that it isn't an easy CT/Johnny win. [B]Zach/Trey could beat them [/B]and so could Wes/Frank so that isn't a basis for ruling them out as a team. Not to mention everyone would want them out from the beginning? They aren't making teams based on "strength of pair" despite your 50th attempt to derail a topic/discussion, my overall point was the rivalry/footage is more important than "how good the team is" Frank and Wes have the footage, CT and Johnny have the footage. Pair that with the grain of salt tweet JEKDynasty made and I'm speculating (the point of the thread) those are the pairs[/QUOTE] Your kidding, right? Trey couldn't even beat Chet in a fish slapping contest and Zach almost lost to a dude who weighed like 30 lbs. lighter than him. Johnny has beaten Dunbar in a physical game, who out weighs him, he's defeated CT on two occasions, he beat Mark who out weighed him. CT's resume is self explanatory. Trey and Zach are both pathetic competitors. And lets be honest the only reason Frank and Zach did so well on Battle of the Seasons is because the cast was 80% first time challengers. If Frank and Zach get sent home on this challenge, it will prove that their victory last season was nothing more than a fluke.

[QUOTE=jones10389;341708]Why can't Johnny and Wes be sa Team they have more history then Johnny and CT. The Ruins Wes Screaming at Johnny for MasterMinding the KellyAnne Vs Ev Match. Rivals Wes Sends Johnny and Tyler in to Face CT and Adam in the last Jungle. Battle of the Exes Johnny Votes In Wes in the 1st Elmination Round.[/QUOTE] For simple fact that CT/Frank doesnt have history not even a twitter war. If you mean Johnny/Wes, CT/TY, Leroy and Frank wouldn't have a partner.

Is it possible this is Ruins: Rivals? Where it's team ****** vs team good guys and instead of solo elims it's Rival pairs? I know the teams are def Rivals but we don't know if the actual "format" is like the original with a "power team"..wouldn't this forum just be called rivals 2 if that was the only thing? Edit: don't take that literally, I know those teams wouldn't work, but we don't know it's a "traditional rivals" yet

[QUOTE=Snake19;341713]Is it possible this is Ruins: Rivals? Where it's team ****** vs team good guys and instead of solo elims it's Rival pairs? I know the teams are def Rivals but we don't know if the actual "format" is like the original with a "power team"..wouldn't this forum just be called rivals 2 if that was the only thing? Edit: don't take that literally, I know those teams wouldn't work, but we don't know it's a "traditional rivals" yet[/QUOTE] Refer to the closed again cast spoilers thread. Molds: The format, which has already been confirmed, can be discussed in the speculation thread. Let's try and refrain from hearing what your fantasy Challenge would be.

[QUOTE=Snake19;341713]Is it possible this is Ruins: Rivals? Where it's team ****** vs team good guys and instead of solo elims it's Rival pairs? I know the teams are def Rivals but we don't know if the actual "format" is like the original with a "power team"..wouldn't this forum just be called rivals 2 if that was the only thing? Edit: don't take that literally, I know those teams wouldn't work, but we don't know it's a "traditional rivals" yet[/QUOTE] That would be kind of interesting. Teams are split up with a rival on each side and the two teams compete against each other. That would make elimination deliberations very interesting because the team would have to throw in one of their own players and putting their fate in their rival's hands. Teams could be something like: Aneesa Emily Jonna Naomi/Cara Maria Ana Jemmye Jasmine Trishelle Robb CT Bananas Tyrie Ty Trey Preston Johnny Diem Paula Nany Cooke Jessica Camila Theresa Sarah Derek Wes Frank Dunbar Leroy Zach Knight Marlon That would be a crazy challenge. You'd be working against your rival in the missions to try and get control over deliberations, but then you'd have to work with them in an elimination. Just an idea, I think that would be fun to watch but it could get messy. I could see Trey volunteering himself to go in and Zach getting ****** off. This would also keep teams even so they wouldn't have to worry about another lopsided final.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;340635] Things that belong in this thread: 1. Social media posts that might hint at elimination. 2. Photographic evidence that would confirm a location, cast member return or departure. 3. Discussion about the above two, citing sources and providing analysis - while remaining on topic. Things that don't belong in this thread: [B]1. Just about everything else. [/B] [/QUOTE] *Cough* *Cough* I feel like those who know something are either laughing at us that we haven't learn anything or they just scratching their heads about our stupidity.

I don't think its a big team format because Anastasia on her spreet cast with Alex Govere mention that her Dream format would be two big teams battling against each other. Which makes me think this challenge wasn't like that. I don't think she was referring to Naomi or Trishelle on the comment she wrpte,, when ahe came back ahe is following bpth of them on twitter. If I am not wrong most likely another girl pair is eliminate already and a guys pair will popped around Thursday to Saturday if it follows Robb/Derek spotting days and Ana/Jessica popping around the same time.

[QUOTE=GDInstall;341718]*Cough* *Cough* I feel like those who know something are either laughing at us that we haven't learn anything or they just scratching their heads about our stupidity.[/QUOTE] The other threads are locked discussing speculation. Obvs the past 30 pages have been about teams. This is the only thread open to talk with others about the upcoming challenge, it's not stupidity for people to be discussing things. To reiko, what I said wasn't a fantasy challenge. I understand threads have gotten locked rather quickly but legit speculation isn't always "off topic"..It has been hinted at that this isn't a "traditional" rivals, so one of the only possible twists to "Rivals" is what I mentioned above and Morris posted a team list pretty similar to what I had in mind. Where should legit speculation like that go? It doesn't belong in generic, and it doesn't belong in fantasy, and it can't go in one of the locked threads. Just because things are being locked doesn't mean everyone needs to be rent-a-mods. This is the only topic to discuss the upcoming challenge and it doesn't seem like anyone is "frustrated" by it. It might not be "elim pics" but it's at least real discussion and not "Aneesa is better than Paula"..Which annoyed everyone

I do have to say, none of the eliminations we find are going to hint at how the rivals may or may not be on a team or paired or how that works. WE just have to wait for the rules when it's clear to everyone who reveals. To me probably the same Rivals version as 1, minus maybe the voting process but still appears to be rivals paired together.But looking for people who may be eliminated can show more so how alliances and or the challenge is going.I am trying here and there to keep an eye out on a few people who i predict may be next. I am more interested in who goes home than the format since i know it's a version of rivals, that's all that really matters to me as far as that and i thnk i know the pairs as well.

[QUOTE=Blue123;341538]Molds said Ty is most likely with Leroy. The confusing people are CT/Johnny/Wes/Frank. The rest looks like what molds speculated.[/QUOTE] Ty with Leroy? They never had a beef. I don't get that. Is there something I missed? If they are going to base it on Leroy telling Ty to shut up once during his fight with Adam, then that's a biiiig stretch and the dumbest reason to pair up a pair of rivals ever. People are always telling Ty to stop and shut up when he acts like a drunken tyrant. Leroy was thrilled for Mike Mike to come because he didn't even like Adam. It would make more sense for Ty to pair with CT.

[QUOTE=Camille;341727]Ty with Leroy? They never had a beef. I don't get that. Is there something I missed?[/QUOTE] They pushed each other in the original Rivals and Ty eliminated Leroy on exes technically. That's enough for a promo

[QUOTE=Camille;341727]Ty with Leroy? They never had a beef. I don't get that. Is there something I missed? If they are going to base it on Leroy telling Ty to shut up once during his fight with Adam, then that's a biiiig stretch and the dumbest reason to pair up a pair of rivals ever. People are always telling Ty to stop and shut up when he acts like a drunken tyrant. Leroy was thrilled for Mike Mike to come because he didn't even like Adam. [B]It would make more sense for Ty to pair with CT.[/QUOTE] [/B] Explain to me how CT and Ty have ever had a rivalry. They were in it together at the end of Exes were CT and Ty celebrated making it to the finals together. Not to mention CT kept Ty out of the final Dome. Leroy and Ty had a little shoving match on Rivals, Ty sent Leroy home on Exes, and Leroy said on derricks podcast that if he could fight anyone from the show he would want to fight Ty.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;341731][/B] Explain to me how CT and Ty have ever had a rivalry. They were in it together at the end of Exes were CT and Ty celebrated making it to the finals together. Not to mention CT kept Ty out of the final Dome. Leroy and Ty had a little shoving match on Rivals, Ty sent Leroy home on Exes, and Leroy said on derricks podcast that if he could fight anyone from the show he would want to fight Ty.[/QUOTE] Ty and CT had an argument in the first week of Exes. CT called him baby tooth (because he is temporary), and so Ty got himself veneers with his Exes winnings.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;341732]Ty and CT had an argument in the first week of Exes. CT called him baby tooth (because he is temporary), and so Ty got himself veneers with his Exes winnings.[/QUOTE] Okay but that wasn't even aired on the show.