The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

I can't say if I'd want to go back cause I don't know what it's like. But as for me, I'm in school and want a career, I know how I act when I drink and yes, I have a tendency to fight and argue and doing that on camera would not be a wise idea. And if I did do multiple ones, I'd want to be like Aneesa or Jillian, take time off in between them.

kdub... they could re-do all those challenges..but some people just DONT want to do the shows anymore, so if the FMers keep saying yes, then why not have them? The fact is many of the older cast members who used to do these constantly have either moved on or just don't wanna do them anymore, so BMP has to make up the numbers somehow. As I said..at least we are still getting Challenges, which is better than none.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207372]kdub... they could re-do all those challenges..but some people just DONT want to do the shows anymore, so if the FMers keep saying yes, then why not have them? The fact is many of the older cast members who used to do these constantly have either moved on or just don't wanna do them anymore, so BMP has to make up the numbers somehow. As I said..at least we are still getting Challenges, which is better than none.[/QUOTE] I feel like you don't understand where I'm coming from. So just forget the point I was trying to bring out. But, what the heck, you're right. At least we still have challenges. Maybe they'll stick to 1 or 2 of JEKD for the challenges. I don't know. I love the challenges, so I'll just have to take what they put out. I'm just not feeling Kenny and Evan's style. Just my opinion. I'm just ready for Cutthroat! Let's go gray team!

[QUOTE=kdub90;207252]I don't hate the FMers, I just don't like them. I have seen clips (no whole seasons) of old challenges , and they seem better than newer full seasons of the challenges. I just feel like the FMers changed the game. The first full challenge I saw was The Duel. Since then I have seen The Gauntlet 2 and part of The Inferno 2.[B] I felt like after The Duel, Kenny and Evan were all like," Since, we can't win alone, let's all team up and win. Since we can't win on our own merits." That's when the backstabbing began! It's all history. Now, if Evan or Kenny are on a challenge, I doubt we'll see them in an elimination round (outside of a Fresh Meat Exile.) [/B]I lost a lot of respect for them. I feel like The Challenge should be a challenge. When I watch the show, I wanna see people bleed and sweat and fight their way to victory. Not get into they stupid little alliances. If you're a top competitor, just go in and win! Don't be setting stuff up. Just simply win. I remember Mark on Duel 2. The first time I'd ever seen Mark on a Challenge. He said "this is what we came to do. It's what we signed up for." He was reffering to going into an elimination round. [B]The only thing I didn't like was when Landon left the room to get scratch paper for the seceret vote before the final duel, Mark and Evan tried to get Landon to go in. That really made me think even lower of Evan[/B]. And when I saw them working out and exercising before The Ruins finale, I was in shock. They were actually worried that all 4 of them + Susie might lose against Sarah and Kellyanne (2 girls). Derrick said he wasn't putting anything past them. I was like...seriously?! I also feel like they play the popularity game and politics. Forget all that. Arrive. Compete. Win! Don't go around making alliances. I think its pitiful. If they're sooo good, why bother? The Ruins was a perfect chance for KEDJ to prove why they are true champions. Not 1 of them went in except for Johnny. Its only because he was at the bottom of the food chain. If they were real champs, I could see them saying "I'm about to go take this rookie's money." Instead they were scared to go into an elimination round. I bet they peed a little, when Wes beat Cohutta. 2 reasons why: 1) Anybody could win in the Ruins 2)Wes "the scapegoat" was gone. I find it ironic that Evan was mad for having to keep going into The Duel on the Duel 2. But he had no problem throwing Wes in. Others may feel differently, but I don't. I don't like the way they play the game. I don't like their "I'm the best attitude." I kinda liked Evan on the Duel 2 and Kenny on Fresh Meat 2...but they have lost my favor. I can go on and on....but I'll refrain. That's why I don't like the FMers Kenny and Evan. I have an opinion of them. I'll probably get hater comments, but I'm just being honest. In my eyes, I don't feel like they have proven themselves, except Evan. He has proved he can compete and is a great athlete. But the way he plays is messed up, in my opinion. 1 more thing! I like the Fresh Meat 2 kids. And waaaay better than the Old Stale Fresh Meat (Kenny, Diem, Casey, Eric, Ryan). haha That is all...THANKYOU! (Bring on the backlash comments!lol)[/QUOTE] Here's where I disagree with you. I think you make a valid point, however NO one likes to go into an elimination round (except if you're taking someone's money), so how could that make u think lower of them? Wes and Kenny did the same to Darrel in FM2, everyone puts someone else in the elimination round, so I don't get that point. It cud be cuz u like Landon and think he's a good guy (which he is) but hey, even him put Kenny in elimination in FM2. No one likes the possibility of going home with no money. I agree Kenny is a punk, but Evan (although he's sneaky and arguably a backstabber), I think he's proved his strength, won't u say? In the duel 2, because he was "new," they put him in about 3 exiles, which he won (against MJ also I believe (i cud be wrong) ) And then even after Brad had an advantage in the finals, getting Rachel as his partner (while Evan had Brittini) and was in first place, Evan still beat him (yes, Brad) to get first place. EVen Rachel said he was a beast. My thing is, I'm not arguing about his personality and who he screwed up, but in terms of strength, he's up there for me (one of my top ten)

[QUOTE=kdub90;207326]Casey has never posed a threat. Ryan has never posed a threat. Diem got a sympathy vote on The Duel and was in a relationship with CT for The Duel and The Gauntlet. Then she got beat by "crazy drunk" Tonya. The only 2 champs from FM1 that continue to compete in the challenges are Evelyn and Evan. That's my opinion.[B] Evan loses points for having to form an alliance to win[/B]. Evelyn however won 2 face-offs. She beat out 2 guys. And in the end she could've taken Johnny's key and he wouldn't have been a Champion for The Ruins! How about that! Evelyn is a great athlete and competitor. Evan has proven himself.[/QUOTE] Here's where a debate comes up..... 75% of people in these challenges formed alliances with the hope of winning. Why single out Evan? Some may not agree but I must point it out- Evelyn AND Wes did the same "backstabbing moves" Kenny and Evan does, but ppl still looooooooove Evelyn yet hate Evan And Kenny. Alliances are ALWAYS formed and there is ALWAYS one reason- the hope of getting further in the game and winning. I may not agree with the backstabbing etc but do ppl hate evan n kenny because their backstabbing alliances work maybe? (I'm not a fan of Kenny, but I do kinda like Evan). No one hated on Evelyn after she and Wes formed that horrible backstabbing alliance (throwing Landon {everyone's favorite} in) in FM2. Yes Evelyn is strong and won elimination rounds..... so is Evan. Yes Evan went into alliances and backstabbed some ppl.... so did Evelyn, so I disagree with your point about that. The point someone was making about career etc and FM'ers doing it for Fame. News flash, alot of ppl go on tv just for fame not only them. Even some of the Real World-ers. 2) I won't blame them, some of the FM'ers took that money and formed their own career- eg. A clothes line. 3) If you got 100,000 dollars for 3 months of work, you'd prob take that job, its the same thing. Some of them got thousands of dollars for doing that.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;83237]I think that BMP should STOP CASTING SO MANY FRESH MEAT! Most of them don't bring anything to the challenges.[/QUOTE]The reason I've always loved the challenges is because the casts were filled with people we felt like we had gotten to know. We had watched them through entire seasons of either Real World and Road Rules and it was always super interesting to see what they were up to, get a full update on where they are in their life, and continue to see their personalities and stories played out. It was this that always placed the challenges above other reality shows like Survivor, Big Brother, and all the VH1 shows like I Love Money for me. I've accepted the fact that the Fresh Meat kids are here to stay and that is fine with me BUT does there have to be so damn many?!?!?! I hated the first Fresh Meat but didn't let the inclusion of that cast ruin the challenges for me.....at first. After Evan/Evelyn/Kenny/Diem/Eric became main staples of the show the challenges slowly lost their entertainment value for me. By the time the challenges got to around Inferno 3 and The Island I was so sick of all of them I could barely watch. Now seeing the new cast list for Cutthroat, it looks like they are intending to do the exact same with the Fresh Meat 2 cast. Do we really need EIGHT (including the Spring Breack Challenge girl) Fresh Meat castmembers? I would understand needing two or three FMers to fill up a few remaining spots but EIGHT!!?!? You are telling me with 24 previous seasons, including Cancun and Washington DC who have never been on a challenge, you couldn't get more than 22 RW and RR alumni?!!?! It just seems crazy to me. And sad cause I really used to LOVE these shows big time. :(

[QUOTE=CHill;207470]The reason I've always loved the challenges is because the casts were filled with people we felt like we had gotten to know. We had watched them through entire seasons of either Real World and Road Rules and it was always super interesting to see what they were up to, get a full update on where they are in their life, and continue to see their personalities and stories played out. It was this that always placed the challenges above other reality shows like Survivor, Big Brother, and all the VH1 shows like I Love Money for me. I've accepted the fact that the Fresh Meat kids are here to stay and that is fine with me BUT does there have to be so damn many?!?!?! I hated the first Fresh Meat but didn't let the inclusion of that cast ruin the challenges for me.....at first. After Evan/Evelyn/Kenny/Diem/Eric became main staples of the show the challenges slowly lost their entertainment value for me. By the time the challenges got to around Inferno 3 and The Island I was so sick of all of them I could barely watch. Now seeing the new cast list for Cutthroat, it looks like they are intending to do the exact same with the Fresh Meat 2 cast. Do we really need EIGHT (including the Spring Breack Challenge girl) Fresh Meat castmembers? I would understand needing two or three FMers to fill up a few remaining spots but EIGHT!!?!?[B] You are telling me with 24 previous seasons, including Cancun and Washington DC who have never been on a challenge, you couldn't get more than 22 RW and RR alumni?!!?[/B]! It just seems crazy to me. And sad cause I really used to LOVE these shows big time. :([/QUOTE] Its been said MANY times before, some of them don't wanna do them or in some cases BMP doesn't want them (Shane Greyson for example). Some of them have actually moved on with their lives or didnt like the whole reality tv experience.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207477]Its been said MANY times before, some of them don't wanna do them or in some cases BMP doesn't want them (Shane Greyson for example). Some of them have actually moved on with their lives or didnt like the whole reality tv experience.[/QUOTE]I completely understand what you are saying BUT that doesn't change the fact that I don't agree with it. I would MUCH rather BMP put someone that was actually on RW or RR, even if they might not bring the drama, instead of these FMers that seem as though they will do anything for drama. I like the Real World/Road Rules Challenges, not the "Anybody that can get drunk, sleep around, and yell" Challenges. A perfect example would be Kendal (who wrote on her website that she would love to do another challenge but hasn't been asked) or as you pointed out Shane, who I would love to see on a challenge again but instead they have some girl from the spring break challenge??? It just seems silly to me. If they absolutely can't get [B]ANY[/B] RW or RRs I understand throwing in a FMer but we've heard from many castmembers this isn't the case.

Who is Shane Greyson? There's a Sarah Greyson, who I'd love to see back and Shane Landrum, who I'd love to see even more... then of course there's Shayne from Road Rules Australia, who I'd like to see too since he's old school. It's definitely BMP's fault that Fresh Meat has taken over. Aneesa has said she hasn't been asked, Katelynn wants to do another, Shane (RR11) said MTV wants nothing to do with him, Trishelle wants to do one, Beth A. and Glen said they would want to do one (of course no one would care to see them), I'm sure fame***** Joey from Hollywood would do one. He's already done Celebrity Rehab, so why would he be opposed to a challenge? Unless they see him as a liability.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;207447]Here's where a debate comes up..... 75% of people in these challenges formed alliances with the hope of winning. Why single out Evan? Some may not agree but I must point it out- Evelyn AND Wes did the same "backstabbing moves" Kenny and Evan does, but ppl still looooooooove Evelyn yet hate Evan And Kenny. [/QUOTE] If you ask me, Evelyn is just as bad as Evan and Kenny. She is the one person that said she would come back for a Duel 3 that I really would not want to see on it. She's immature and not very interesting.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;207525]Who is Shane Greyson? There's a Sarah Greyson, who I'd love to see back and Shane Landrum, who I'd love to see even more... then of course there's Shayne from Road Rules Australia, who I'd like to see too since he's old school. It's definitely BMP's fault that Fresh Meat has taken over. Aneesa has said she hasn't been asked, Katelynn wants to do another, Shane (RR11) said MTV wants nothing to do with him, Trishelle wants to do one, Beth A. and Glen said they would want to do one (of course no one would care to see them), I'm sure fame***** Joey from Hollywood would do one. He's already done Celebrity Rehab, so why would he be opposed to a challenge? Unless they see him as a liability.[/QUOTE]Thank you!!! This is what I'm saying!!!! Even though Shayne brought pretty much no drama (his liason with susie was cute though!!!!) I would prefer him BIG TIME over any of these fresh meat people! With these FM2 people I just find all their drama so contrived and manufactured. They will do anything to cause controversy and be invited back. :(

Here is something that is very cool, the amount of individual or partner mission wins which only includes: [B]The Inferno, The Gauntlet, The Inferno ll, Fresh Meat, The Duel, The Inferno 3, The Island, The Duel 2, Fresh Meat II[/B] Here are the reasons those seasons are asking for individual wins or partner wins on missions: [B]Gauntlet I[/B] - Fresh Look EyeSaver Winners [B]Inferno I, Inferno II, Inferno 3[/B] - Aztec LifeSaver Winners [B]Fresh Meat, Fresh Meat II[/B] - Partner Missions [B]The Island[/B] - won a face-off [B]The Duel, The Duel 2[/B] - Individual Missions Amount of Wins by challenger: [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] C.T - 13 wins (4 on the Inferno; 6 on the Inferno II; 3 on the Duel) Evan - 13 wins (5 on Fresh Meat; 6 on the Duel; 2 on the Duel 2) Landon - 12 wins (4 on the Inferno II; 5 on the Duel 2; 3 on Fresh Meat II) Kenny - 9 wins (1 on Fresh Meat; 1 on the Duel; 2 on the Inferno 3; 5 on Fresh Meat II) Derrick - 7 wins (2 on the Inferno II; 3 on Fresh Meat; 1 on the Duel; 1 on the Island) Alton - 5 wins (4 on the Gauntlet; 1 on the Inferno 3) Mike - 4 wins (1 on the Inferno; 3 on the Inferno II) Theo V. - 4 wins (2 on the Gauntlet; 2 on Fresh Meat) Darrell - 4 wins (1 on the Inferno; 1 on the Inferno II; 2 on Fresh Meat) Abram - 3 wins (2 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Johny - 3 wins (2 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Mark - 2 wins (2 on the Duel 2) Adam L. - 2 wins (2 on the Gauntlet) Shane - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Pete - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat II) Wes - 2 wins (2 on the Duel) Timmy - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Brad - 1 win (1 on the Duel) Norman - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Nathan - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Theo G. - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Syrus - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) David - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Eric B. - 1 win (1 on the Duel) Ace - 1 win (1 on the Inferno 3) Noor - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat II) Ryan - 1 win (1 on the Island) [B][COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR][/B] Coral - 6 wins (1 on the Inferno; 5 on Fresh Meat) Veronica - 6 wins (2 on the Gauntlet; 4 on the Inferno) Diem - 6 wins (3 on Fresh Meat; 3 on the Duel) Jodi - 6 wins (6 on the Duel) Laurel - 5 wins (5 on Fresh Meat II) Rachel R. - 4 wins (4 on the Duel 2) Susie - 3 wins (3 on the Inferno 3) Carley - 3 wins (3 on Fresh Meat II) Brittini - 3 wins (3 on the Duel 2) Evelyn - 3 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 2 on the Island) Chanda - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Linette - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Jillian - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat II) Aviv - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Svetlana - 2 wins (2 on the Duel; Robin - 2 wins (1 on the Duel; 1 on the Duel 2) Paula - 2 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Tina - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat) Roni - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Kendal - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Holly S. - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Beth - 1 win (1 on the Due) Kina - 1 win (1 on the Duel; Tonya - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Jannelle - 1 win (1 on the Inferno 3) Ruthie - 1 win (1 on the Duel 2) Jenn - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat II) Kelly Anne - 1 win (1 on the Island) [B]notes[/B]: * The mission on episode 9 on Fresh Meat 2 is "Obstacle", there was 3 winners that were involved which were Kenny & Laurel, Landon & Carley, and Jillian & Pete. All of those 6 contestants recieved a mission win. * After solving this list, you all know why C.T is ranked 3rd best competitor of all time even though he never won a challenge season... he is know 2nd on my list. * Also after seeing this list, I moved Evan from a rank of 12th to a rank of 5th.

[QUOTE=CHill;207590]Thank you!!! This is what I'm saying!!!! Even though Shayne brought pretty much no drama I would prefer him BIG TIME over any of these fresh meat people! With these FM2 people I just find all their drama so contrived and manufactured. They will do anything to cause controversy and be invited back. :([/QUOTE]

Diem's a pretty good competitor. CT is a beast!!!

[QUOTE= Coral - 6 wins (1 on the Inferno; 5 on Fresh Meat) Veronica - 6 wins (2 on the Gauntlet; 4 on the Inferno) Diem - 6 wins (3 on Fresh Meat; 3 on the Duel) Jodi - 6 wins (6 on the Duel) Laurel - 5 wins (5 on Fresh Meat II) Rachel R. - 4 wins (4 on the Duel 2) [B][U][I][B]Susie - 3 wins (3 on the Inferno 3)[/B][/I][/U][/B] Carley - 3 wins (3 on Fresh Meat II) Brittini - 3 wins (3 on the Duel 2) [B][U][I]Evelyn - 3 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 2 on the Island)[/I][/U][/B] Chanda - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Linette - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) [B][U][I]Jillian - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat II)[/I][/U][/B] Aviv - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Svetlana - 2 wins (2 on the Duel; Robin - 2 wins (1 on the Duel; 1 on the Duel 2) Paula - 2 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Tina - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat) Roni - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Kendal - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Holly S. - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Beth - 1 win (1 on the Due) Kina - 1 win (1 on the Duel; Tonya - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Jannelle - 1 win (1 on the Inferno 3) Ruthie - 1 win (1 on the Duel 2) Jenn - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat II) [B][U][I]Kelly Anne - 1 win (1 on the Island[/I][/U][/B])[/QUOTE] Evelyn won 2 elimination rounds in FM2. Jillian won 2 elimination round in FM2 AND a challenge I also don't understand why you didn't check the Ruins, as they had individual eliminations, but hey, your list, ur rules ;) You may wanna check over your statistics, especially for the females. :) but thanks for the list!

[QUOTE=RealityToast;208346]Here is something that is very cool, the amount of individual or partner mission wins which only includes: [B]The Inferno, The Gauntlet, The Inferno ll, Fresh Meat, The Duel, The Inferno 3, The Island, The Duel 2, Fresh Meat II[/B] Here are the reasons those seasons are asking for individual wins or partner wins on missions: [B]Gauntlet I[/B] - Fresh Look EyeSaver Winners [B]Inferno I, Inferno II, Inferno 3[/B] - Aztec LifeSaver Winners [B]Fresh Meat, Fresh Meat II[/B] - Partner Missions [B]The Island[/B] - won a face-off [B]The Duel, The Duel 2[/B] - Individual Missions Amount of Wins by challenger: [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] C.T - 13 wins (4 on the Inferno; 6 on the Inferno II; 3 on the Duel) Evan - 13 wins (5 on Fresh Meat; 6 on the Duel; 2 on the Duel 2) Landon - 12 wins (4 on the Inferno II; 5 on the Duel 2; 3 on Fresh Meat II) Kenny - 9 wins (1 on Fresh Meat; 1 on the Duel; 2 on the Inferno 3; 5 on Fresh Meat II) Derrick - 7 wins (2 on the Inferno II; 3 on Fresh Meat; 1 on the Duel; 1 on the Island) Alton - 5 wins (4 on the Gauntlet; 1 on the Inferno 3) Mike - 4 wins (1 on the Inferno; 3 on the Inferno II) Theo V. - 4 wins (2 on the Gauntlet; 2 on Fresh Meat) Darrell - 4 wins (1 on the Inferno; 1 on the Inferno II; 2 on Fresh Meat) Abram - 3 wins (2 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Johny - 3 wins (2 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Mark - 2 wins (2 on the Duel 2) Adam L. - 2 wins (2 on the Gauntlet) Shane - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Pete - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat II) Wes - 1 win (1 on the Duel) Timmy - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Brad - 1 win (1 on the Duel) Norman - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Nathan - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Theo G. - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Syrus - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) David - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Eric B. - 1 win (1 on the Duel) Ace - 1 win (1 on the Inferno 3) Noor - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat II) Ryan - 1 win (1 on the Island) [B][COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR][/B] Coral - 6 wins (1 on the Inferno; 5 on Fresh Meat) Veronica - 6 wins (2 on the Gauntlet; 4 on the Inferno) Diem - 6 wins (3 on Fresh Meat; 3 on the Duel) Jodi - 6 wins (6 on the Duel) Laurel - 5 wins (5 on Fresh Meat II) Rachel R. - 4 wins (4 on the Duel 2) Susie - 3 wins (3 on the Inferno 3) Carley - 3 wins (3 on Fresh Meat II) Brittini - 3 wins (3 on the Duel 2) Evelyn - 3 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 2 on the Island) Chanda - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Linette - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Jillian - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat II) Aviv - 2 wins (2 on Fresh Meat) Svetlana - 2 wins (2 on the Duel; Robin - 2 wins (1 on the Duel; 1 on the Duel 2) Paula - 2 wins (1 on the Inferno 3; 1 on the Island) Tina - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat) Roni - 1 win (1 on the Gauntlet) Kendal - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Holly S. - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Beth - 1 win (1 on the Due) Kina - 1 win (1 on the Duel; Tonya - 1 win (1 on the Inferno) Jannelle - 1 win (1 on the Inferno 3) Ruthie - 1 win (1 on the Duel 2) Jenn - 1 win (1 on Fresh Meat II) Kelly Anne - 1 win (1 on the Island) [B]notes[/B]: * The mission on episode 9 on Fresh Meat 2 is "Obstacle", there was 3 winners that were involved which were Kenny & Laurel, Landon & Carley, and Jillian & Pete. All of those 6 contestants recieved a mission win. * After solving this list, you all know why C.T is ranked 3rd best competitor of all time even though he never won a challenge season... he is know 2nd on my list. * Also after seeing this list, I moved Evan from a rank of 12th to a rank of 5th.[/QUOTE] If you add the Ruins: 1)Kenny, Evan and Derrick would not improve in their stats. 2)Darrell would move up under Derrick Wes won 5 missions on Fresh Meat 1 + 3 challenges on Duel 1 (including the soccer kick challenge) if you include the Ruins, Wes gets 2 more points and EKD get 0 points for The Ruins. So Wes's total should be 10. Sarah Rice would have 1 for the wall flower challenge if they gave out life shields on the ruins; probably more. Please remember that Kenny has done 6 challenges while Wes has done 4. I'm curious as to why you didn't include The Ruins? Are you a JEKD fan? You start with Fresh Meat and don't include the Ruins. But it is YOUR list so your entitled to do what you want with the information.

Kdub, I don't think he is talking about elimination rounds but rather actual missions. So including the ruins, Wes would still be at where he is now.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;207446]Here's where I disagree with you. I think you make a valid point, however NO one likes to go into an elimination round (except if you're taking someone's money), so how could that make u think lower of them? Wes and Kenny did the same to Darrel in FM2, everyone puts someone else in the elimination round, so I don't get that point. It cud be cuz u like Landon and think he's a good guy (which he is) but hey, even him put Kenny in elimination in FM2. No one likes the possibility of going home with no money. I agree Kenny is a punk, but Evan (although he's sneaky and arguably a backstabber), I think he's proved his strength, won't u say? In the duel 2, because he was "new," they put him in about 3 exiles, which he won (against MJ also I believe (i cud be wrong) ) And then even after Brad had an advantage in the finals, getting Rachel as his partner (while Evan had Brittini) and was in first place, Evan still beat him (yes, Brad) to get first place. EVen Rachel said he was a beast. My thing is, I'm not arguing about his personality and who he screwed up, but in terms of strength, he's up there for me (one of my top ten)[/QUOTE] First of all, Rachel just got to the check point first. She did nothing to help Brad. She couldn't even help the man dig. I'll bet she was wanting Evan to win! [QUOTE=cryssy19;207447]Here's where a debate comes up..... 75% of people in these challenges formed alliances with the hope of winning. Why single out Evan? Some may not agree but I must point it out- Evelyn AND Wes did the same "backstabbing moves" Kenny and Evan does, but ppl still looooooooove Evelyn yet hate Evan And Kenny. [B]Alliances are ALWAYS formed and there is ALWAYS one reason- the hope of getting further in the game and winning.[/B] I may not agree with the backstabbing etc but do ppl hate evan n kenny because their backstabbing alliances work maybe? (I'm not a fan of Kenny, but I do kinda like Evan). No one hated on Evelyn after she and Wes formed that horrible backstabbing alliance (throwing Landon {everyone's favorite} in) in FM2. Yes Evelyn is strong and won elimination rounds..... so is Evan. Yes Evan went into alliances and backstabbed some ppl.... so did Evelyn, so I disagree with your point about that. The point someone was making about career etc and FM'ers doing it for Fame. News flash, alot of ppl go on tv just for fame not only them. Even some of the Real World-ers. 2) I won't blame them, some of the FM'ers took that money and formed their own career- eg. A clothes line. 3) If you got 100,000 dollars for 3 months of work, you'd prob take that job, its the same thing. Some of them got thousands of dollars for doing that.[/QUOTE] Wes had big frickin' beef with Kenny. Evelyn was close with Wes, and Sarah was close with the Kenny. So everyone in the house was on one side of the alliance or BOTH (Jenn and Ryan), except for Landon who was more on Wes's side than anyone's. I agree with the you saying Evelyn and Wes were shady and backstabbing; heck, Wes backstabbed his own best friend Danny, when he could've put in newcomer CJ! I didn't like Wes and Evelyn on FM2.Believe it or not, I was actually rooting for Kenny's alliance. That might be the only time you hear me say that.lol. As you know,I'm a Jillian fan and a huge Sarah fan and I liked their fresh meat partners the best. So, I had to go with Kenny's alliance. JEDK have worked together as a group! Many people may form alliances but they still ahve to fight. JEDK ALWAYS use their numbers to screw people over. They even screw over their own (Johnny).[B] On The Duel[/B], he "snuck under the radar" (as he himself put it) and got lucky with a challenge win. Later on, Nehemiah put him in his place and sent him home.[U]On the Gauntlet 3[/U], they buddied up with CT who is an independent player, just to stay on his good side and earn their keep. They screwed Johnny over and mocked him.[U]On the Island[/U]. KJD played as a team on an individual challenge. Kenny didn't earn his key. with [B]On the Ruins [/B]they always had 2 of them nominated so they could control the vote. Veronica overhead Evan plainly say that. He didn't know she was in the room. Kenny was beaten by Nehemiah on The Duel and didn't go into an elimination round on the inferno3, the gauntlet 3, the ruins, and didn't win a face-off on the island; all because of numbers. On both fresh meats he didn't have a choice but to go in and lost both fresh meats. on fm2 he had laurel as a partner and still as a team they couldn't beat laurel and carley. but i won't count that because as i have said multiple times:fm exiles are partner challenges;not individual challenges. so he gets a pass. And I don't like Evan, but I have to admit he is a great competiter and athlete. I'm just disgusted by his politics and his shadiness. Is he a top competitor? Yes! Do I like the guy? Heck to the naw! lol I don't care about the fame comment; alot of people want their 15 minutes of fame. But I do think Kenny is one of the biggest fame-w****s of all the challenges. I don't care about the clothing line stuff. I won't buy their clothes. Now, I'm need a break!

Kenny admitted on national television that he is a fame *****... I don't know what there is to debate about that?!

[QUOTE=kdub90;208411]If you add the Ruins: 1)Kenny, Evan and Derrick would not improve in their stats. 2)Darrell would move up under Derrick Wes won 5 missions on Fresh Meat 1 + 3 challenges on Duel 1 (including the soccer kick challenge) if you include the Ruins, Wes gets 2 more points and EKD get 0 points for The Ruins. So Wes's total should be 10. Sarah Rice would have 1 for the wall flower challenge if they gave out life shields on the ruins; probably more. Please remember that Kenny has done 6 challenges while Wes has done 4. I'm curious as to why you didn't include The Ruins? Are you a JEKD fan? You start with Fresh Meat and don't include the Ruins. But it is YOUR list so your entitled to do what you want with the information.[/QUOTE] Kdub90, you need to step your challenge game up! Wes didn't win 3 missions in the Duel, he only won one which was "Sunken Treasure". The soccer challenge dosen't count and final challenges don't count.. so your wrong. Also on Fresh Meat when did he win 5 missions, he did win 5 elimination exiles. Sarah dosen't recieve another win because the Ruins didn't give out lifeshields, so there is no point of doing that. In the Ruins there wasn't single missions, what are you talking about? And I am a fan of all them four.. mostly Derrick, cause I hate Wes.. he's so cocky. But I didn't do a list to make them look better than the others.

[QUOTE=kdub90;208424]First of all, Rachel just got to the check point first. She did nothing to help Brad. She couldn't even help the man dig. I'll bet she was wanting Evan to win! Wes had big frickin' beef with Kenny. Evelyn was close with Wes, and Sarah was close with the Kenny. So everyone in the house was on one side of the alliance or BOTH (Jenn and Ryan), except for Landon who was more on Wes's side than anyone's. I agree with the you saying Evelyn and Wes were shady and backstabbing; heck, Wes backstabbed his own best friend Danny, when he could've put in newcomer CJ! I didn't like Wes and Evelyn on FM2.Believe it or not, I was actually rooting for Kenny's alliance. That might be the only time you hear me say that.lol. As you know,I'm a Jillian fan and a huge Sarah fan and I liked their fresh meat partners the best. So, I had to go with Kenny's alliance. JEDK have worked together as a group! Many people may form alliances but they still ahve to fight. JEDK ALWAYS use their numbers to screw people over. They even screw over their own (Johnny).[B] On The Duel[/B], he "snuck under the radar" (as he himself put it) and got lucky with a challenge win. Later on, Nehemiah put him in his place and sent him home.[U]On the Gauntlet 3[/U], they buddied up with CT who is an independent player, just to stay on his good side and earn their keep. They screwed Johnny over and mocked him.[U]On the Island[/U]. KJD played as a team on an individual challenge. Kenny didn't earn his key. with [B]On the Ruins [/B]they always had 2 of them nominated so they could control the vote. Veronica overhead Evan plainly say that. He didn't know she was in the room. Kenny was beaten by Nehemiah on The Duel and didn't go into an elimination round on the inferno3, the gauntlet 3, the ruins, and didn't win a face-off on the island; all because of numbers. On both fresh meats he didn't have a choice but to go in and lost both fresh meats. on fm2 he had laurel as a partner and still as a team they couldn't beat laurel and carley. but i won't count that because as i have said multiple times:fm exiles are partner challenges;not individual challenges. so he gets a pass. And I don't like Evan, but I have to admit he is a great competiter and athlete. I'm just disgusted by his politics and his shadiness. Is he a top competitor? Yes! Do I like the guy? Heck to the naw! lol I don't care about the fame comment; alot of people want their 15 minutes of fame. But I do think Kenny is one of the biggest fame-w****s of all the challenges. I don't care about the clothing line stuff. I won't buy their clothes. Now, I'm need a break![/QUOTE] 1) Well said!!!! *Applause* LOLz. I like Evan but ONLY cuz he's a really good competitor and he hasnt shown himself to be as bad as JK (in my opinion). Kenny is only after fame and Johnny is a chauvinistic pig. But I mean, the least evil is Evan, lol! I never said they (JEK) weren't bad, I know the are, I was just making the comparison to how one-sided ppl are because the hate JEK yet love Ev who did the same thing. B) I was on Kenny's side for FM2 also, but I still don't really like him. III) I only brought up there clothing line to show that at least they made a business with their money, and not just came on the show, got money and spend it. (someone said something about why don't they get a job, so I was using that to say they used the money they won to make a business, that's all :) but P.s, I probably won't buy their clothes either :P D) I do think Evan is one of the top competitors and I understand why Johnny is at the bottom of the chain, he's proven himself t he least. (Same with CJ being at the bottom of the Wevelyn alliance in FM2). Plus Johnny deserves it, he's evil and does that to everyone else. :P BTW, I don't think Rachel would sabotage 100,000 dollars just to help Evan in The Duel, plus I don't think Brittani (i think) really helped either. And, LOL @ Do I like the guy? Heck to the naw"

[QUOTE=faceless;208416]Kdub, I don't think he is talking about elimination rounds but rather actual missions. So including the ruins, Wes would still be at where he is now.[/QUOTE] OH! That makes sense. But Wes still won 3 challenges on the duel. He included none of them. And Wes didn't have a chance to win lifeshield/lifesaver or anything on the ruins. and he had ****** partners on both fresh meats. he's only been on 4 challenges total! what a bummer. If this was an elimination list I'd be laughing at Kenny! hahah. Out of 5 challenges:The Duel 1, The Inferno 3, The Gauntlet III, The Duel 2, The Ruins (Not including FM1&2 andThe Island/because of no individual1-on-1 elimination rounds) WINS/LOSSES: Kenny:0-1=Beat nobody/Loss to Nehemiah- out of 4 challenges. Johnny:1-2=Beat Dunbar/Loss to Tyler, Loss to Evan- out of 4 challenges. Evan 4-1=Beat Johnny, Beat Davis, Beat Nehemiah, Beat Derek/Loss to CT-out of 4 challenges Evan's record is pretty amazing!Especially for an original fresh meat.

[QUOTE=RealityToast;208436]Kdub90, you need to step your challenge game up! Wes didn't win 3 missions in the Duel, he only won one which was "Sunken Treasure". The soccer challenge dosen't count and final challenges don't count.. so your wrong. Also on Fresh Meat when did he win 5 missions, he did win 5 elimination exiles. Sarah dosen't recieve another win because the Ruins didn't give out lifeshields, so there is no point of doing that. In the Ruins there wasn't single missions, what are you talking about? And I am a fan of all them four.. mostly Derrick, cause I hate Wes.. he's so cocky. But I didn't do a list to make them look better than the others.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kdub90;208440]OH! That makes sense. But Wes still won 3 challenges on the duel. He included none of them. And Wes didn't have a chance to win lifeshield/lifesaver or anything on the ruins. and he had ****** partners on both fresh meats. he's only been on 4 challenges total! what a bummer. If this was an elimination list I'd be laughing at Kenny! hahah. Out of 5 challenges:The Duel 1, The Inferno 3, The Gauntlet III, The Duel 2, The Ruins (Not including FM1&2 andThe Island/because of no individual1-on-1 elimination rounds) WINS/LOSSES: Kenny:0-1=Beat nobody/Loss to Nehemiah- out of 4 challenges. Johnny:1-2=Beat Dunbar/Loss to Tyler, Loss to Evan- out of 4 challenges. Evan 4-1=Beat Johnny, Beat Davis, Beat Nehemiah, Beat Derek/Loss to CT Evan's record is pretty amazing!Especially for an original fresh meat.[/QUOTE] Again.. how did Wes win 3 missions in the Duel. He won the "Sunken Treasure" challenge and the "Paddle Me" challenge.[B] 2 wins[/B].. that's it. Wes is a great elimination competitor, but not mission competitor. He didn't win a single mission in FMI or FMII, and only won one in the Duel. Who cares if he had a horrible competitor, Landon had Carley who obviously is horrible, He still won three missions including the obstacle mission which gave 3 teams a win. So Wes isn't special when it comes to challenges, he just won exiles due to less baggage compared to the other competitors. The soccer kick-off challenge before the finale doesn't count. Not even an actual mission. The final mission doesn't count either, so you are getting wrong info. So here is the final results according to my theory: Wes isn't better than Kenny, Derrick or Evan, but he is better than Johny. So thats JEKD for you! @kdub90 thanks for reminding me I forgot one.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;208437]1) Well said!!!! *Applause* LOLz. I like Evan but ONLY cuz he's a really good competitor and he hasnt shown himself to be as bad as JK (in my opinion). Kenny is only after fame and Johnny is a chauvinistic pig. But I mean, the least evil is Evan, lol! I never said they (JEK) weren't bad, I know the are, I was just making the comparison to how one-sided ppl are because the hate JEK yet love Ev who did the same thing. B) I was on Kenny's side for FM2 also, but I still don't really like him. III) I only brought up there clothing line to show that at least they made a business with their money, and not just came on the show, got money and spend it. (someone said something about why don't they get a job, so I was using that to say they used the money they won to make a business, that's all :) but P.s, I probably won't buy their clothes either :P D) I do think Evan is one of the top competitors and I understand why Johnny is at the bottom of the chain, he's proven himself t he least. (Same with CJ being at the bottom of the Wevelyn alliance in FM2). Plus Johnny deserves it, he's evil and does that to everyone else. :P BTW, I don't think Rachel would sabotage 100,000 dollars just to help Evan in The Duel, plus I don't think Brittani (i think) really helped either. And, LOL @ Do I like the guy? Heck to the naw"[/QUOTE] Gee, thanks! You deserve a pat on the back, too! HAHA at "Wevelyn"- that's a good one! I have to say:Johnny does have somewhat of wifebeater spirit. When he was on the Ruins finale, he said something like this: "Its sorta like Christmas, but instead of opening gifts, we get to beat the S***out of 2 girls." When I heard that, I cringed. I thought that was completely uncalled for. Also he called Evelyn among others 'Dumb B*****s'. Johnny is definitely a punk! I bet he wouldn't do what he did to Tonya, on The Ruins, to CT. And Kenny thinks he is G*D's gift to women and people in general. He's always calling himself Mr. Beautiful. Oh, Please!He's a goon! And Evan has the natural resemblance of a Moose. I think they're all Wickety-Wickety-WACK!!! I think Evan is definitely the lesser of the evils. Evan is better than Kenny and Johnny. And about the clothing line:I know the name of it...they have an online website. But, I refuse to advertise for these suckers! LOL!

@Reality Toast: Wes won Sunken Treasure and Paddle Me. Also, I made it clear that the soccer kick challenge was the 3rd one. But either way, he still won 2! Not 1.

[QUOTE=kdub90;208450]@Reality Toast: Wes won Sunken Treasure and Paddle Me. Also, I made it clear that the soccer kick challenge was the 3rd one. But either way, he still won 2! Not 1.[/QUOTE] Thanks for reminding me, I forgot he did win 2. He won "Sunken Treasure" and "Paddle Me" which was the challenge that kept him safe from the final elimination. I will EDIT the mission wins, thanks alot. I look so dumb for that mistake. Look at the mission wins for happiness!

[QUOTE=RealityToast;208452]Thanks for reminding me, I forgot he did win 2. He won "Sunken Treasure" and "Paddle Me" which was the challenge that kept him safe from the final elimination. I will EDIT the mission wins, thanks alot. I look so dumb for that mistake. Look at the mission wins for happiness![/QUOTE] I don't think you're dumb at all. I think you're a JEKD fan! Am I right? Some may laugh, when I say this, but I think Johnny could beat Kenny! He looks stockier and tougher. If I liked to bet, I'd put $100 on Johnny and $5 on Kenny. I can't wait to see them go head to head. And I also wanna see Kenny vs Evan. Evan would slaughter Mr. Pretty! I hate to keep having to say this:But, I think that winning 1-on-1 eliminations are a better way to show who is better than to see people winning over a group of folks. It helps you to see specifically who is better than who. Also, on the "Wall-Walker" challenege where they were picking the flowers. Sarah and KA had to go twice. KA fell short the second time up the wall. But Sarah killed it both times. The Champion guys were clapping and yelling "GOOD JOB!!" at Sarah. She would have won a lifeshield if they were giving them out; but they didn't. She probably could've won more.

[QUOTE=kdub90;208453]I don't think you're dumb at all. I think you're a JEKD fan! Am I right? Some may laugh, when I say this, but I think Johnny could beat Kenny! He looks stockier and tougher. If I liked to bet, I'd put $100 on Johnny and $5 on Kenny. I can't wait to see them go head to head. And I also wanna see Kenny vs Evan. Evan would slaughter Mr. Pretty! I hate to keep having to say this:But, I think that winning 1-on-1 eliminations are a better way to show who is better than to see people winning over a group of folks. It helps you to see specifically who is better than who. Also, on the "Wall-Walker" challenege where they were picking the flowers. Sarah and KA had to go twice. KA fell short the second time up the wall. But Sarah killed it both times. The Champion guys were clapping and yelling "GOOD JOB!!" at Sarah. She would have won a lifeshield if they were giving them out; but they didn't. She probably could've won more.[/QUOTE] Well my favorite challenger of all time is Derrick. I like Kenny a lot, who is in my top 5 for favorite male challengers. Evan and Johny aren't near my fan favorites.. cause I only like a couple of castmates, but I do respect them both. So are you a big Wes fan, cause I hate him a lot!

[QUOTE=RealityToast;208454]Well my favorite challenger of all time is Derrick. I like Kenny a lot, who is in my top 5 for favorite male challengers. Evan and Johny aren't near my fan favorites.. cause I only like a couple of castmates, but I do respect them both. So are you a big Wes fan, cause I hate him a lot![/QUOTE] Actually, I am not a big Wes fan. I like Gauntlet 2 Derrick and Duel 1 Derrick! I thought he was straight-up gangster! haha. He used to speak his mind. But, now he stays very low-key. Maybe it helps him remain less of a target. But, I've always thought he was waaay to good for Kenny! I just wish he would've never linked up with them. Because Kenny and Evan alone, don't really pose that much of a threat; we saw that on Duel1. But with Kenny+Evan+Derrick+Johnny, they are amazing athletically and have an amazing social game. I mean, just think about it. If D and J wouldn't have got together with K and E, K and E wouldn't be in the position they are in. If you ask me, I'd say Derrick and Johnny would kick Evan and Kenny's butts on any day of the week. You know what? For FM3...if they do another (which they probably will)... what if they had female-female partners and male-male partners. That'd be interesting. The challenges could have male partner teams join female partner teams to compete in missions.But, in exile it'd be male partner teams vs male partner teams, and vice-versa.That's be something else! lol