Cut Throat - Laurel Stucky

[QUOTE=Hamahami;217599]I didn't say voting for CM is bullying. You said laurel defended CM on the daillies (which I did see), but at the end, actions speak more than words. She voted CM instead or ayiiia, so it's not a defense - to me. Like I said, the reason you haven't seen any negative comment laurel talked to and about CM is because they didn't show it, but it doesn't mean it's not there. THANK YOU !!!!![/QUOTE] "Actions speak louder than words?" You do realize, I pray, that you are talking about a reality TV show where they are competing for money? She would be insane not to vote in what they are told is a private setting in the game for the person they want to send in to the "gulag." If she thought Cara Maria was the right person to send, and that also represented the vote of her alliance, then she'd be foolish not to vote for her. I don't see anyone being critical of Chet for voting for Mandy even though their appeared to have been a physical connection between the two. It's foolish, in my opinion, to have double standards. Laurel may be at fault for some things, but clearly it is not for her vote -- in private. I call that smart game play, something we see far too little of from many challenge casts.

There is a difference between casting a vote and being disrespectful to someone. I respect her good game play, but her little digs at people are just rude and uncalled for.

[QUOTE=V1man;217619] If she thought Cara Maria was the right person to send, and that also represented the vote of her alliance, then she'd be foolish not to vote for her. I don't see anyone being critical of Chet for voting for Mandy even though their appeared to have been a physical connection between the two. It's foolish, in my opinion, to have double standards. Laurel may be at fault for some things, but clearly it is not for her vote -- in private. I call that smart game play, something we see far too little of from many challenge casts.[/QUOTE] That would imply that her alliance was herself and Ayiiia. Which is obviously not the case. In case of Chet his alliance, his whole team wanted Mandi in, so it was definitely smart, not going against the stream and because Mandi hadn't proven herself in. In contrast to Cara Maria, who had been already voted in once, and wasn't a total rookie like Ayiiia. I can't see any double standard there. Can't see anything smart in voting against your whole team.

[QUOTE=OrangeStar;217623]That would imply that her alliance was herself and Ayiiia. .[/QUOTE] Get your facts straight. I implied no such thing, nor is there any such inference by association.

[QUOTE=V1man;217619] If she thought Cara Maria was the right person to send, and that also represented the vote of her alliance, then she'd be foolish not to vote for her. [/QUOTE] I was just reacting to this part. Either it did not represent the vote of her alliance, or her alliance was herself and Ayiiia, that is all im saying. And that's why I don't see any double standard or even comparison with Chet's situation at all.

[QUOTE=OrangeStar;217634]I was just reacting to this part. Either it did not represent the vote of her alliance, or her alliance was herself and Ayiiia, that is all im saying. And that's why I don't see any double standard or even comparison with Chet's situation at all.[/QUOTE] We live in different worlds, clearly. Bacchus must be amused at my self-restraint; after all, it is his fault (a private joke).

[QUOTE=V1man;217655]We live in different worlds, clearly. Bacchus must be amused at my self-restraint; after all, it is his fault (a private joke).[/QUOTE] Then I guess I must have totally made up the part I was quoting, so sorry

I personally do not understand how you all are making a judgement of her bullying CM because she voted for her. Laurel defended CM by saying her relationship with Abe has nothing to do with the game and would not affect it, her reason for voting in CM was totally different, which I respect. Unlike Ayiiia who started to say that CM is only having sexual relations with Abe to stay in the game, and that's when Laurel defended her, which I like. Abe voted for Sarah, is that bullying her? Heck, Brad and his team voted for Brandon twice after he proved himself. Voting based on your opinion or what you think is best for the team cannot be considered bullying. It may be we think it is not smart or they could have voted smarter, but it is not bullying. I have never seen proof of Laurel bullying CM. I think that discussion is ridiculous because there is no proof. Laurel hardly even spoke to CM on the episodes we see, so I don't get how she could have "bullied her by the way she talks." In fact, if you go that way, then Jenn bullies everyone, Evelyn too. So I personally think this discussion is unwarranted and irrelevant.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;217719]I personally do not understand how you all are making a judgement of her bullying CM because she voted for her. Laurel defended CM by saying her relationship with Abe has nothing to do with the game and would not affect it, her reason for voting in CM was totally different, which I respect. Unlike Ayiiia who started to say that CM is only having sexual relations with Abe to stay in the game, and that's when Laurel defended her, which I like. Abe voted for Sarah, is that bullying her? Heck, Brad and his team voted for Brandon twice after he proved himself. Voting based on your opinion or what you think is best for the team cannot be considered bullying. It may be we think it is not smart or they could have voted smarter, but it is not bullying. I have never seen proof of Laurel bullying CM. I think that discussion is ridiculous because there is no proof. Laurel hardly even spoke to CM on the episodes we see, so I don't get how she could have "bullied her by the way she talks." In fact, if you go that way, then Jenn bullies everyone, Evelyn too. So I personally think this discussion is unwarranted and irrelevant.[/QUOTE] I agree completely except with regard to Evelyn who is just super-competitive and doesn't understand why everyone else isn't. It's the athlete mind set. As for the criticism of Laurel elsewhere, could it just another form of bullying from behind anonymous screen names? Yup, a whole bunch of piling on by people who have no clue what really happens during a challenge.

That could be true. I don't think Ev is a bully, Just making a point that if Laurel is a bully because of how she speaks to CM (which she hardly did so far on Cutthroat), then almost everyone is a bully on these challenges(based on those standards).

I don't think Laurel should be drinking on a challenge. It makes her look bad.

She was very rude to Eric, that were horrible things to say to a person. She should be kept away of alcohol, I think. But it $30,000 of FM2, she has to be considered for winning some more cash, she's a good competitor IMO.

I don't think we can judge any of the fresh meat until we see them on a challenge where they can do things by themselves. So far, Laurel isn't that impressive.

Yeah, but she is in a team, she's not competing by herself. Ok, it's different of FM, but it's not that much. The biggest differences are in the gulag. In there it's all about yourself with no partner or team to back you up. It seems to me that some of the FM' ers are being a little bit unconsidered, but if we see it well, some of the last time challengers that have being successful came from there, like Kenny and Ev, just to refer one male and one female. Of course that some of them are not that good, that's normal, it happens in all the seasons, ones are stronger than others.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218763]I don't think we can judge any of the fresh meat until we see them on a challenge where they can do things by themselves. [B]So far, Laurel isn't that impressive.[/B][/QUOTE] Her and Sarah had the fastest time this week, beating all of the teams of two guys. That's pretty impressive.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;218769]Her and Sarah had the fastest time this week, beating all of the teams of two guys. That's pretty impressive.[/QUOTE] [I]Especially[/I] considering the fact that Laurel was the slower of the two! I can't imagine how Sarah would have completely blown them out of the water if she had gone by herself. And it's not like Derrick and Johnny fell--they made it all the way out on the board too, so that time difference was from swimming, not from riding the board longer.

She did worse than Sarah but better than everyone else. I think people are just looking for excuses to make Laurel seem weak, but the truth is, she beat all the other teams.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;218769]Her and Sarah had the fastest time this week, beating all of the teams of two guys. That's pretty impressive.[/QUOTE] You must have not read the part of my post where I stated "BY THEMSELVES." As I stated before, Laurel isn't that impressive.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218783]You must have not read the part of my post where I stated "BY THEMSELVES." As I stated before, Laurel isn't that impressive.[/QUOTE] BY HERSELF she finished faster than some of the guys. Sarah had no part in her swimming time. Sarah was not dragging her to the end. She did not need Sarah in order to finish her time. Her swim was impressive.

Yes it took TWO people to complete that challenge. Laurel, just like Sarah, completely destroyed everyone. She didn't beat Sarah, but obviously did better than the majority, if not all the guys. She is a BEAST!

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;218787]BY HERSELF she finished faster than some of the guys. Sarah had no part in her swimming time. Sarah was not dragging her to the end. She did not need Sarah in order to finish her time. Her swim was impressive.[/QUOTE] BY HERSELF she may have not stayed on the board, therefore giving her a longer time. You are not going to change the fact that that was a team challenge. sorry.

[QUOTE=producer88;218788]Yes it took TWO people to complete that challenge. Laurel, just like Sarah, completely destroyed everyone. She didn't beat Sarah, but obviously did better than the majority, if not all the guys. She is a BEAST![/QUOTE] TWO people. Exactly my point. It was not an individual challenge like I said. People don't listen to me at all.. LOL.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218790]BY HERSELF she may have not stayed on the board, therefore giving her a longer time. You are not going to change the fact that that was a team challenge. sorry.[/QUOTE] You're not grasping what I'm trying to say. Her SWIM was impressive. That had nothing to do with Sarah, or her team. It had nothing to do with her and Sarah staying on the board. Laurel impressed me with her swim time, not her ability to stay on a board.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218791]TWO people. Exactly my point. It was not an individual challenge like I said. People don't listen to me at all.. LOL.[/QUOTE] Bro I usually side with you, but you're making no sense at all lol. Same thing could be said about everyone that did this challenge, because you needed someone with you on the board. That's not the case being made here. She did swim extremely well. To the point were she probably was swimming better than most if not all the guys. An example, both Abram & Luke were on the board for basically the whole ride, and yet they still wasn't faster than Laurel & Sarah. Laurel is an amazing competitor. No matter how mean she may be, she is a one of the best!

Her swim time was directly related to her time on a board. The board was more important than the overall swim.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218791]TWO people. Exactly my point. It was not an individual challenge like I said. People don't listen to me at all.. LOL.[/QUOTE] No, YOU missed the point. If Laurel messed up, she probably would have taken Sarah down with her, rather than Sarah helping Laurel stay on--given their size difference, any movement that Laurel makes is more likely to move the two of them than any movement Sarah would have made. And even if we're not comparing staying on the board, but swimming time, Laurel still beat everyone else who also stayed on the board and got to the end.

[QUOTE=producer88;218793]Bro I usually side with you, but you're making no sense at all lol. Same thing could be said about everyone that did this challenge, because you needed someone with you on the board. That's not the case being made here. She did swim extremely well. To the point were she probably was swimming better than most if not all the guys. An example, both Abram & Luke were on the board for basically the whole ride, and yet they still wasn't faster than Laurel & Sarah. Laurel is an amazing competitor. No matter how mean she may be, she is a one of the best![/QUOTE] I understand she swam well. Good for her. The point that I am trying to make is that if everyone was on the board until the end, Laurel wouldn't have been that impressive.

Sha basically beat Abram & Luke in a SWIMMING race.