The Duel 2: Episode 7 - Discussion

This episode definitley proved to me how Brittini strong is also I'm glad they went back to their old editing ways when they showed past challenge clips of Aneesa & Paula competiting together. Also this challenge is moving very fast for me..

[quote=tjhallow;74137]I don't think because a person has a family or some kind of situation "deserves" the money. The person who is doing well in missions, and in duel's to me "deserve" the money.[/quote] Exactly. MJ does not deserve the money, nor does he need it more than any of the other participants. He may be able to make better use of the money than some of the contestants, but having steady, normal employment and being at hope to help out his family would probably be a better way to save for his child's future. I thought the storyline between Paula and Dunbar was entertaining (if highly dysfunctional), but their individual personalities make it hard to root for either of them. Paula is a jealous, insecure mess and Dunbar definitely isn't playing with a full deck. CT has nothing on him.

I think Dunbar has a lot of issues which is what got him cast on the Real World in the first place. Didn't he say something on Sydney about how he was abused/molested as a kid? That explains why he is the way he is. He always seems to be whining about people not liking him and wanting so hard to fit in. He tends to be difficult with women, especially women he's hooked up with. And he's got anger issues.

[quote=Isabella;74438]And he's got anger issues.[/quote] That's kind of an understatement. I think people would like him more if he didn't have a list of people he would kill for free.. :unknw:

[QUOTE=Zereaux;74460]That's kind of an understatement. I think people would like him more if he didn't have a list of people he would kill for free.. :unknw:[/QUOTE] I disagree that it is at all clear that Dunbar has anger issues. He may have demonstrative elements in his personality which BMP has highlighted to our annoyance, but that does not mean that he has clinical issues. He has been candid in admitting to trust issues with women, but those are not particularly uncommon. I'm not a fan of Dunbar, as he is shown to us by BMP, but I'm not ready to throw him into the trash based on an amateur diagnosis.

[quote=V1man;74477]I'm not a fan of Dunbar, as he is shown to us by BMP, but I'm not ready to throw him into the trash based on an amateur diagnosis.[/quote] Still, I don't think Dunbar's trust issues fully explain why he threatens to kill people and screams at others for talking to people he doesn't like. He, or at least his TV edit, reminds me of an overgrown child that hasn't learned how to get along with others yet.

[QUOTE=Zereaux;74558]Still, I don't think Dunbar's trust issues fully explain why he threatens to kill people and screams at others for talking to people he doesn't like. He, or at least his TV edit, reminds me of an overgrown child that hasn't learned how to get along with others yet.[/QUOTE] Sadly, our country trained Dunbar to kill. One of the byproducts of military training is the vocabulary that becomes a routine part of your life in the military environment follow you back into a less violent culture. If you view is choice of words in that context, you may better understand him. It helped me since I spent much of my life in the same environment.

[quote=V1man;74573]Sadly, our country trained Dunbar to kill. One of the byproducts of military training is the vocabulary that becomes a routine part of your life in the military environment follow you back into a less violent culture. If you view is choice of words in that context, you may better understand him. It helped me since I spent much of my life in the same environment.[/quote] We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think he's completely psychotic, but he does have his moments on these shows.

[quote=V1man;74477]I disagree that it is at all clear that Dunbar has anger issues. He may have demonstrative elements in his personality which BMP has highlighted to our annoyance, but that does not mean that he has clinical issues. He has been candid in admitting to trust issues with women, but those are not particularly uncommon. I'm not a fan of Dunbar, as he is shown to us by BMP, but I'm not ready to throw him into the trash based on an amateur diagnosis.[/quote] I don't think it's fair to call this an "amateur diagnosis." During his season, Dunbar himself acknowledged that he has problems controlling his temper, and mentioned that he had to get anger management help to avoid getting kicked out of one school. Those disclosures plus witnessing him scream at his roommates countless times in Australia (including telling Ashli he wished she'd get hit by a bus), plus hearing him talk about the people he'd kill for free on the Island, plus seeing the way he argued with Davis in the dailies clip, plus seeing him punch walls on the Duel 2, plus hearing Paula talk about how quick Dunbar is to anger, plus hearing Kim compare him to "the Hulk," on the aftershow, make it pretty reasonable to conclude that he still has an anger management problem.

[QUOTE=tulpen;74579]I don't think it's fair to call this an "amateur diagnosis." During his season, Dunbar himself acknowledged that he has problems controlling his temper, and mentioned that he had to get anger management help to avoid getting kicked out of one school. Those disclosures plus witnessing him scream at his roommates countless times in Australia (including telling Ashli he wished she'd get hit by a bus), plus hearing him talk about the people he'd kill for free on the Island, plus seeing the way he argued with Davis in the dailies clip, plus seeing him punch walls on the Duel 2, plus hearing Paula talk about how quick Dunbar is to anger, plus hearing Kim compare him to "the Hulk," on the aftershow, make it pretty reasonable to conclude that he still has an anger management problem.[/QUOTE] [I]A priori[/I], absent the profession degree authoring one to diagnose someone's psychological makeup, it is an "amateur" diagnosis. Of course, it is not something a professional would do based on viewing a TV show.

Well obviously it's amateur in that sense, and that's a good way to deflect the substance of my post, but I assumed you were using the term in the more colloquial "we're in a forum talking about reality shows" sense. Meaning, that we don't really have enough information to judge whether or not Dunbar has problems controlling his temper, because there's a risk that editing is giving us incomplete or skewed/inaccurate information about this issue. And my point is that in this case, there's enough source material to conclude that Dunbar in fact has anger management problems, notwithstanding the typical untrustworthiness (is that a word?) of reality show editing.

[QUOTE=tulpen;74594]Well obviously it's amateur in that sense, and that's a good way to deflect the substance of my post, but I assumed you were using the term in the more colloquial "we're in a forum talking about reality shows" sense. Meaning, that we don't really have enough information to judge whether or not Dunbar has problems controlling his temper, because there's a risk that editing is giving us incomplete or skewed/inaccurate information about this issue. And my point is that in this case, there's enough source material to conclude that Dunbar in fact has anger management problems, notwithstanding the typical untrustworthiness (is that a word?) of reality show editing.[/QUOTE] You are new here... benefit of the doubt applies. :biggrin: You will discover that I mean what I say. I rarely result to pandering colloquialism. During The Island, my view of Dunbar was decidedly negative. My commentary reflected that opinion. Since then, several cast member who know him well have told me that I was wrong. When they reach out to tell me something, I listen. As as result, I've recently written about his trust issues with women. Obviously, that info came from someone who knew him very personally. By the way, deflection is not a tactic I employ. Directly challenging opinion masked as fact is so much more enjoyable and productive.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree! I just don't see the two as mutually exclusive; I think you can have trust issues with women [I]and[/I] have anger management problems. And by saying that he has anger management problems, I wasn't meaning to imply he was [I]all[/I] bad. When he's not raging, he's always articulate and intelligent, which is more than I can say for many of the other BMP folk' (based on the editing of course, for all I know they're brain trusts in real life).

[QUOTE=tulpen;74671]I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree! I just don't see the two as mutually exclusive; I think you can have trust issues with women [I]and[/I] have anger management problems. And by saying that he has anger management problems, I wasn't meaning to imply he was [I]all[/I] bad. When he's not raging, he's always articulate and intelligent, which is more than I can say for many of the other BMP folk' (based on the editing of course, for all I know they're brain trusts in real life).[/QUOTE] It appears we actually agree. Amazing. I don't disagree that he may have anger issues, but I'm simply not competent to judge such things. I've been surprised by the cast members who today don't think he has problems.

[quote=V1man;74573]Sadly, our country trained Dunbar to kill. One of the byproducts of military training is the vocabulary that becomes a routine part of your life in the military environment follow you back into a less violent culture. If you view is choice of words in that context, you may better understand him. It helped me since I spent much of my life in the same environment.[/quote] Wait, Dunbar was in the military? How come I didnt know that? That is what you meant right?

[QUOTE=jem3772;74764]Wait, Dunbar was in the military? How come I didnt know that? That is what you meant right?[/QUOTE] Yes, and just like Ryan (Brooklyn), he is subject to recall through the reserve lottery. Perhaps you didn't know it because some facts don't always make their way into the storyline BMP creates for people of their shows. It is not a subject he has openly discussed.

[quote=jem3772;74764]Wait, Dunbar was in the military? How come I didnt know that? That is what you meant right?[/quote] On other sites it was "rumored" from people that knew him who also "knew he was going to be on Sydney" that he was in the military. Although nobody really was able to confirm it because they wanted to respect Dunbar. But then again it was on the forums at IMDB and I think a facebook fan page so its not like any and everyone knew for sure.

[quote=V1man;74896]Yes, and just like Ryan (Brooklyn), he is subject to recall through the reserve lottery. Perhaps you didn't know it because some facts don't always make their way into the storyline BMP creates for people of their shows. It is not a subject he has openly discussed.[/quote] I know it may wrong of me to feel this way, but all of a sudden i feel so protective of him. lol, weird right? I guess it's true that I was a little biased about Ryan,I always thought he had an excuse for most of his reactions, and now I kinda feel that a little more of Dunbar.

Did anyone see The Dish with Paula and Ryan? They said Dunbar needs serious therapy. Paula suggested a straight jacket.

[QUOTE=eggs78;74914]Did anyone see The Dish with Paula and Ryan? They said Dunbar needs serious therapy. Paula suggested a straight jacket.[/QUOTE] The Dish stuff is designed to be campy and over-the-top. It should not be taken seriously. A new one just taped by Katie and Paula will have you in laughter as they make fun of Evan (details withheld by request).

I feel like with all the Duel's Dishes and aftershow's, there is no need for a reunion.

For some reason, personal bias, I like the Real World-er men who serve in our military. Ryan was my favorite in Brooklyn, and Dunbar has been gaining huge amounts of likability with his storyline/brief relationship with Kim. Dunbar away from Paula makes me a happy camper.

[quote=tjhallow;74940]I feel like with all the Duel's Dishes and aftershow's, there is no need for a reunion.[/quote] I miss Blair's after show mostly because I love Blair and the castmembers were more forthcoming with revealing a lot of juicy gossip. I think on reunions when everyone is together in a room, they won't reveal as much. But when they do those interview shows (like the excellent one from the Gauntlet to the Inferno) or after shows, a lot of good stuff comes out.

[quote=tjhallow;74940]I feel like with all the Duel's Dishes and aftershow's, there is no need for a reunion.[/quote] Im trying to go to the reunion show, so there's all the need to have a reunion..maybe i'll get to sing my song lol

[quote=V1man;74573]Sadly, our country trained Dunbar to kill. One of the byproducts of military training is the vocabulary that becomes a routine part of your life in the military environment follow you back into a less violent culture. If you view is choice of words in that context, you may better understand him. It helped me since I spent much of my life in the same environment.[/quote] Absolutely. Military training is a very interesting social psych phenomenon, but in many ways, it's necessary to train people to think and behave in a certain way when you consider the jobs you are sending them to do. Zimbardo (famous for the Stanford Prison study) has written about this. Dunbar is obviously a complex individual, and I think we all realize that reality TV tends to boil down complexity to a few basic, easily portrayed traits for the purposes of entertainment.

[QUOTE=MrsPlumBean;75188]Absolutely. Military training is a very interesting social psych phenomenon, but in many ways, it's necessary to train people to think and behave in a certain way when you consider the jobs you are sending them to do. Zimbardo (famous for the Stanford Prison study) has written about this. Dunbar is obviously a complex individual, and I think we all realize that reality TV tends to boil down complexity to a few basic, easily portrayed traits for the purposes of entertainment.[/QUOTE] You just raised today's vevmo IQ by 100 points. Thank you.

[quote=Ms. Dynasty;75177]Im trying to go to the reunion show, so there's all the need to have a reunion..maybe i'll get to sing my song lol[/quote] OOOOOO!!! I want to go, how do you get in?

[QUOTE=jem3772;75199]OOOOOO!!! I want to go, how do you get in?[/QUOTE] MTV.com's casting page will have the details. You must "apply" and meet their criteria. Only the lucky are accepted.

[quote=V1man;75203]MTV.com's casting page will have the details. You must "apply" and meet their criteria. Only the lucky are accepted.[/quote] Really? That's wierd you have to be reviewed. Other studio audiences aren't like that.

[QUOTE=Zachary;75213]Really? That's wierd you have to be reviewed. Other studio audiences aren't like that.[/QUOTE] Have you much experience with reality show reunions?