[QUOTE=rallen;247772][strike]he said on twitter mike wanted dustin to hit him so he would go home, so he stayed out of it, he "luvs" mike.
I also want to say funniest line of the night, dustin and heather talking about how mike and dustin can never be friends...dustin "but who is gonna do his hair" haha[/strike]
He said on Twitter Mike wanted Dustin to hit him so he would go home, so he stayed out of it, he "luvs" Mike.
I also want to say, funniest line of the night, Dustin and Heather talking about how Mike and Dustin can never be friends...and Dustin says "But who is gonna do his hair?" Haha[/QUOTE]
That was my favorite line of the night!
Mike is ****, I really liked him at first but he is just so petty when it comes to Dustin...to me it is the classic "regular guy envy's the popular guy" (not the **** part, but the fact that Zito is good looking, liked by many [when he isn't drunk and acting a fool] and has the girl that Mike thinks he should have...play back that kiss...it was obvious! LOL)
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;247767]But I wanna know where the hell Leroy was in that fight. Why was he letting the girls sort about the fight?
In fact just watching back the episode, he is sat in the chair less than a meter away from the fight and doesn't move an inch.[/QUOTE]
I think many of them pretend to be friends but do not act like it. They are so passive, even though they know that drunk people often need their friends to help them out.
Leroy could have helped Mike out and he didn't. Last week, when Heather was drunk and all over Dustin, where were her "girls" Nany and Naomi? Yeah, Nany told her not to **** Dustin, but in the end, they always say "whatever, she's old enough, she can make her own decisions". They need to stop lying to themselves, they're not that close.
Neither Mike nor Dustin came off looking very good this episode, IMO.
Also, did you know that they drink Sun Drop? A song and a party all for Sun Drop, seriously?!
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;247719]Mike said on Derrick's podcast that he never really got to know Heather at all since he didn't want to **** off Dustin. He said Heather would be his kill if he had to do an FMK[/QUOTE]
[strike]I think mike is too proud to admit he liked a girl who didn't want him or was out of his league and that there was someone else in the house that could get her. i feel like thats where a lot of the animosity stems from and the rest is just seeing things in dustin he wishes he could have. at the end of the day, he knows he did a better job with his life and went to college instead of needing **** to get him on his feet like zito but the girl still doesnt want him. i guess thats a hard pill to swallow. i def think he likes heather though.[/strike]
I think Mike is too proud to admit he liked a girl who didn't want him or was out of his league, and that there was someone else in the house that could get her. I feel like that's where a lot of animosity stems from and the rest is just seeing things in Dustin he wishes he could have. At the end of the day, he knows he did a better job with his life and went to college instead of needing **** to get him on his feet like Zito but the girl still doesn't want him. I guess that's a hard pill to swallow. I definitely think he likes Heather though.
[QUOTE=icubaby;247875] I think Mike is too proud to admit he liked a girl who didn't want him or was out of his league, and that there was someone else in the house that could get her. I feel like that's where a lot of animosity stems from and the rest is just seeing things in Dustin he wishes he could have. At the end of the day, he knows he did a better job with his life and went to college instead of needing **** to get him on his feet like Zito but the girl still doesn't want him. I guess that's a hard pill to swallow. I definitely think he likes Heather though.[/QUOTE]
I can't decide if it's that Mike's into Heather or if it's that he's mad that Dustin spends all his time with her instead of him. Naomi says on that interview show on MTV.com that Dustin was really annoying to live with and she thought it was creepy the way he treated Heather--real clingy like. She said even the other girls got sick of him being piled in their room all the time (sorry can't remember her exact words, but it was something like that). I didn't like Mike much after seeing the interview cause he says he was intentionally trying to get Dustin to hit him so they would send Dustin home.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;247767]Mike was so in the wrong, never liked him from day 1.
[B][I][U]But I wanna know where the hell Leroy was in that fight. Why was he letting the girls sort about the fight?
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In fact just watching back the episode, he is sat in the chair less than a meter away from the fight and doesn't move an inch.[/QUOTE]
Today's dailys made me think Leroy stood back cause he thought Mike was intentionally getting Dustin mad so that Dustin would get sent him and so he was gonna let Mike's plan play out at least until Dustin throwed the first punch. I think Leroy ended up siding with Dustin some after they talked about it later.
I've really liked Mike and strongly disliked Dustin at the beginning but the more and more that this season has gone on I have no respect for Mike. Dustin is young and immature and has flaws and as much as he's a drama queen he realizes it more than Mike realizes his own flaws. Mike seems like he can be such a funny cool guy but he's very coniving and shady about how he interacts with Dustin and doesn't seem to accept his own issues and that he needs to focus on that also. Granted it doesn't help that Dustin seems so much to be a people pleaser and wanting to be liked and accepted by others that he can't let the Mike thing go.
[QUOTE=brunett;247898]Anyone besides me think Mike needs to get over Dustin? It's almost like he's obsessed.[/QUOTE]
I can't agree anymore. Mike needs to watch one of Dustin's solo ******** and call it a day.
[QUOTE=TDMEL52;247635]as someone who is working on becoming a teacher, and has done some student teaching, whenever anyone enters a school they must submit a cori and a sori form. So background checks are done.[/QUOTE]
This is true for those looking to WORK in schools or for schools not if someone is stopping by from a charity. I know this as I have my teaching license and never had a background check or any of that to go in for my observation hours or student teaching but did have to do it once I got employed by the school district to run a program.
I loved the extended bedroom banter at the beginning, showing the 2 contrasting sides as they talked a a girl in bed. :)
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;247767]But I wanna know where the hell Leroy was in that fight. Why was he letting the girls sort about the fight?
In fact just watching back the episode, he is sat in the chair less than a meter away from the fight and doesn't move an inch.[/QUOTE]
I felt the same when watching it, but now thinking about it, it's best for him to stay out and have them let some emotions out which may allow a future resolve. I'm sure he would've stepped in the second actual punches were thrown.
[QUOTE=Bacchus;247713]Mike is riding a high horse that unbeknownst to him is made up of hubris that sits adjunct to societal reality.
He thinks he is fighting the good fight, while actually being the narrow minded villain.
It would be much easier to have a distaste for Dustin, if only Mike would stop giving me reasons to defend him.[/QUOTE]
This x10. Mike puts Dustin down seemingly non-stop. Mike is putting himself low, by speaking of himself being so much better than Dustin - a humble champion is a great concept. If he would let things go, everyone here would love him more, but it's clear he's putting his own insecurities and faults on display by letting everything get to him.
Not a Nany fan, but a happy resolution to her father search would make me filled with warm fuzzy gladness.
[QUOTE=Stacee_Danielle;247777]That was my favorite line of the night!
Mike is ****, I really liked him at first but he is just so petty when it comes to Dustin...to me it is the classic "regular guy envy's the popular guy" (not the **** part, but the fact that Zito is good looking, liked by many [when he isn't drunk and acting a fool] and has the girl that Mike thinks he should have...play back that kiss...it was obvious! LOL)[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what I thought!!
[QUOTE=RWRRChalleng;247912]I've really liked Mike and strongly disliked Dustin at the beginning but the more and more that this season has gone on I have no respect for Mike. Dustin is young and immature and has flaws and as much as he's a drama queen he realizes it more than Mike realizes his own flaws. Mike seems like he can be such a funny cool guy but he's very coniving and shady about how he interacts with Dustin and doesn't seem to accept his own issues and that he needs to focus on that also. Granted it doesn't help that Dustin seems so much to be a people pleaser and wanting to be liked and accepted by others that he can't let the Mike thing go.[/QUOTE]
I know I really did not like Dustin at first, the cowboy episode, I was like who is this guy but Mike makes it hard to dislike Dustin. It just seems at their core Dustin cares about others and what others think of him and it comes from a innocent albeit immature place, but with Mike he is so calculated cunning and manipulative, and he is frustrated it is not working well with the others.
[QUOTE=RWRRChalleng;247914]This is true for those looking to WORK in schools or for schools not if someone is stopping by from a charity. I know this as I have my teaching license and never had a background check or any of that to go in for my observation hours or student teaching but did have to do it once I got employed by the school district to run a program.[/QUOTE]
My school district requires a background check for anyone who works in the schools--no exceptions. Lunch ladies, janitors, teachers, secretaries, nurses, coaches--EVERYBODY. They also require it for parents and volunteers who will be at the school or with the students in any way. I know it includes a criminal background check, but I don't know what beyond that is checked. I'm certain that if a **** star was even unknowingly allowed into one of our schools and it was found out later, people would be fired. They would find a legal excuse, and it would happen. I don't think Dustin would be a danger to anyone, but people would assume the worst and the politics would be crazy.
[QUOTE=Bacchus;247713]Mike is riding a high horse that unbeknownst to him is made up of hubris that sits adjunct to societal reality.
He thinks he is fighting the good fight, while actually being the narrow minded villain.
It would be much easier to have a distaste for Dustin, if only Mike would stop giving me reasons to defend him.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to know how much of the Mike/Dustin stuff is the edit. If it were 24/7 that would be one thing, but if it was only sporadic, when the director asked for specific things or asked pointed questions to induce drama, that would be something to consider in mitigation.
I'm a student teacher as well and I think, like shown, that Dustin would be fine for the group presentation.
Guys, I'm pretty confused with a lot of the reasoning on here. I'm just saying so because I challenge "Each of You" to look at what your thoughts are in Reality surrounding these kids, and look at your thoughts surrounding these kids keeping in mind this is a VERY edited show.
I KNOW MTV wants to show the Dustin vs Mike issue because we, as Americans, have a great need to compare Everything. We compare who is the best singer, or greatest athlete (I know that's a little different because sports are a form of competition), who's the cutest, who's the smartest, and between Dustin and Mike, who's right.
I don't like Nany's edit, it makes me think she's an idiot, but fact is she is just a kid who is growing and learning. Maybe she is way more amazing than we see, but the production keeps that side of her in the dark for rating. That said, I know a lot of you judge these guys pretty harshly, which is actually a normal thing (I see this happen often). I'm just bringing so insight here on what I'm thinking after reading ALL the comments thus far.
Mike; He made a COMMENT that was a low blow. It happens; Especially when you LIVE with somebody who can be annoying, and you spend ALL YOUR TIME with them pretty much (They Live, Party, and Work together). I bet they get along MOST of the time, but the edit makes Mike look as if he is obsessed with Dustin (Heck, for all we know DUSTIN may be just as involved in Mike's business as he is via the edit, with Dustin's. I think it's editing. Nany seems like the nosiest one but the edit shows Mike obsessed with Dustin ). The comment; it was a harsh thing, but Dustin did let it eat at him (which I completely understand why) and Mike lets Dustin eat at him (Which I think is A LOT DEEPER and has a lot more to due with Mike's father and upbringing than Dustin, who doesn't Hate Mike).
Also I Like Dustin; and when he cried to Leroy, I felt for him A LOT. This guys has issues, and needs support, love, hugs, and a team of encouragement. But what he did was WRONG! No matter what somebody says, you Don't use intimidation or violence to control them and force them to behave the way YOU want. He is trying to bully Mike. Think about this though. How would YOU feel - Yes, image YOU RIGHT NOW, saying a comment, ONE 3 second COMMENT, to an annoying person who you just let trigger you, and they Physically threaten you and hit you, push you, and degrade you For at least 30 minutes or so and try to make you scared and run away in Front of your friends. How would YOU feel? So YES Mike deserves blame, and could have walked away (as well as Dustin) but in their heads, they both think they are the VICTIM. I KNOW if I was in Mike's position I would feel like the victim Too, and betrayed that everyone forgave Dustin for his actions with no consequences, this is considering all the circumstances we've seen, and again Mike has problems with DUSTIN that seem DEEPLY personal beyond Dustin (And I KNOW Mike instigated the Cab fight thing with Dustin; I know Mike screwed up there too).
But also Mike was being a bully for hitting him below the belt. Mike was wrong for also instigating (MIke, I KNOW DUSTIN was MORE WRONG "again the comparing lol" for getting physical and threatens, but you were wrong TOO). And I agree, Leroy has been around a LOT of fights and knew if something were going to happen it would have, plus once a punch would be thrown Leroy would have stepped in I'm sure (Plus sometimes you need to let men handle their business themselves, and hope they get that emotion out). BTW Leroy kept it real with Mike after everyone calmed down, and I'm glad he let Dustin talk and didn't yell at him THEN, because Dustin NEEDED to say How HURT he was by that comment (And as a black belt, YES I'll say a well said comment can KILL YOU). I'm sure off film the next day Leroy addressed it after emotions were calm and sanity was restored (I use that term loosely with these kids lol). I'm equally glad Leroy DIDN'T address Mike about it until the next day because Mike needed to vent as well; and have that night to cool off and express himself.
What viewers do often is ALWAYS root for the underdog. Meaning Mike looks like the prince, so we expect him to NEVER mess up and make a mistake and when he does we crucify him; and when Dustin, a Mess up via the edit, shows signs of redemption we Glorify him and root for him. Its what we do often.
I'm saying Mike is a kid too and needs to grow and make mistakes too. Mike is SO SCARED of messing up, he tripped off of bringing thoses girls home episode one, and DUSTIN said it perfectly when he said that Mike needs to mess up too to grow. Mike has a lot of issues too, "we ALL do" and his seem to be around his Dad, and I think Dustin reminds him of that and DUSTIN triggers Mike, like the **** triggers Dustin. Both these kids are growing and messing up, while also rising to the occasion. We compare who is the worst but the fact is this is a learning experience; heck I just turned 25 and I'm learning everyday, and from you guys as well.
I Like Dustin, And Mike, and while Dustin went TOO far, and Mike MAY have be Calculated with the comment, and bla bla bla, at the end of the day; These kids are growing and learning. They were wrong, but they seem to want to be good and do right. I'm not going to judge them too harshly (mostly because its a show, and I almost could care less and I'm only writing a lot because I write novels for a living).
BUTTTT for kicks and giggles, if you want me to be a hypocrite and compare who was more right - Mike for not hitting
btw I think my post came off almost more pro Mike than Dustin; so as far as a clarification, I'm an American and rooting for the underdog lol. Since Mike took a beating on this thread I defended him the most. But like I said earlier; not everything needs to be a competition or comparison. They were both wrong. But that doesn't define them, and they both try to be good guys too
[QUOTE=novelwriter;247974]btw I think my post came off almost more pro Mike than Dustin; so as far as a clarification, I'm an American and rooting for the underdog lol. Since Mike took a beating on this thread I defended him the most. But like I said earlier; not everything needs to be a competition or comparison. They were both wrong. But that doesn't define them, and they both try to be good guys too[/QUOTE]
Novelwriter, in my experience most people who write crap about reality TV personalities would kill to drink beer with them for an hour without saying a word about the negative stuff they had written about that "star."
Thanks for your comments. They are most interesting. You may be missing your calling. Every reality show needs a good story editor. I think you may have the gift.
I agree with pretty much everything novelwriter said, and I'm also confused why everyone's bashing Mike. Yes Mike said something that was a little low and we all know it may have something to do with the presentation. Mike feels that Dustin needs glory and attention 24/7, became irritated with him and may have let something slip.
What I don't understand is that Mike voiced his opinion about Dustin getting ****faced and getting into an altercation with a cab driver and then during that heated discussion Dustin brings back the "Can't Go to a School" comment that happened before they left for Cancun. I think I even remember a part in the episode where Mike was away from Dustin [B][I]sitting[/I][/B] in a chair when Dustin comes over and continues to "[B][I]assault[/I][/B]" his roommate. I was talking with some old classmates and they disregarded that scene just to prove their point that Mike is bad and Dustin is good. The both were in the wrong, Dustin should not have let it get to an aggressive level and his roommates shouldn't have disregarded it the next day and Mike should have never provoked him (although it seems like he had a motive.)
[QUOTE=Clarke;247976]I agree with pretty much everything novelwriter said, and I'm also confused why everyone's bashing Mike. Yes Mike said something that was a little low and we all know it may have something to do with the presentation. Mike feels that Dustin needs glory and attention 24/7, became irritated with him and may have let something slip.
What I don't understand is that Mike voiced his opinion about Dustin getting ****faced and getting into an altercation with a cab driver and then during that heated discussion Dustin brings back the "Can't Go to a School" comment that happened before they left for Cancun. I think I even remember a part in the episode where Mike was away from Dustin [B][I]sitting[/I][/B] in a chair when Dustin comes over and continues to "[B][I]assault[/I][/B]" his roommate. I was talking with some old classmates and they disregarded that scene just to prove their point that Mike is bad and Dustin is good. The both were in the wrong, Dustin should not have let it get to an aggressive level and his roommates shouldn't have disregarded it the next day and Mike should have never provoked him (although it seems like he had a motive.)[/QUOTE]
Mike admits in the dailies or something that he provoked Dustin to hit him because he wanted to send him home. That's why Mike's in the wrong.
[QUOTE=Clarke;247976]I think I even remember a part in the episode where Mike was away from Dustin [B][I]sitting[/I][/B] in a chair when Dustin comes over and continues to "[B][I]assault[/I][/B]" his roommate.[/QUOTE]
This? [url=http://www.realworlddailies.com/Video/Balcony-Blow-Up/092ECFFFF00A1312F001B0142A78A]Real World Dailies | Video | Balcony Blow Up[/url]
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;247977]Mike admits in the dailies or something that he provoked Dustin to hit him because he wanted to send him home. That's why Mike's in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
That's what Clarke said. Regardless, even if Mike was in the wrong for wanting Dustin to hit him and get himself kicked out, it doesn't mean Dustin was right to conduct himself the way he did. Naomi/Nani tried to bait Cooke. Adam tried to bait Leroy. Neither of them took it.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;247977]Mike admits in the dailies or something that he provoked Dustin to hit him because he wanted to send him home. That's why Mike's in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hinoarashi;247984]Regardless, even if Mike was in the wrong for wanting Dustin to hit him and get himself kicked out, it doesn't mean Dustin was right to conduct himself the way he did. Naomi/Nani tried to bait Cooke. Adam tried to bait Leroy. Neither of them took it.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. Both guys are in the wrong. Mike is wrong for even making the comment he did in the first place and then letting the situation build up further down the line and Dustin handled the situation mixed with alcohol, which is never a good thing. In this situation neither side is right and I'm hoping they both saw how they acted in the episode and learned from it.
Mike is a smart guy, he knew his comment about the school would make Dustin mad. If he had cared so much about Dustin and wanted to warn/protect him, he would have said it to Dustin while they were alone not while walking back to their hotel when everyone was around.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;247987]Definitely. Both guys are in the wrong. Mike is wrong for even making the comment he did in the first place and then letting the situation build up further down the line and Dustin handled the situation mixed with alcohol, which is never a good thing. In this situation neither side is right and I'm hoping they both saw how they acted in the episode and learned from it.[/QUOTE]
See that is what bothers me about Mike, he just does not seem to have remorse. Dustin immediately does. It seems to be to be more than just the one comment Dustin said it had been building, watching dailies the show and interviews Mike takes every chance he gets to tear Dustin down, maybe he is not a brawny fighter but I am pretty sure his verbal [B]ASSAULT[/B] would shred any person, and the reaction from myself would have probably been the same too. He was making Dustin feel like nothing, he knew what he was doing and to be honest I just think the kid is a DB.
[QUOTE=rallen;247995]see that is what bothers me about mike, he just does not seem to have remorse. Dustin immediately does. It seems to be to be more than just the one comment dustin said it had been building, watching dailies the show and interviews mike takes every chance he gets to tear dustin down, maybe he is not a brawny fighter but I am pretty sure his verbal [B]ASSAULT[/B] would shred any person, and the reaction from myself would have probably been the same too. He was making dustin feel like nothing, he knew what he was doing and to be honest I just think the kid is a DB.[/QUOTE]
One must also consider that this is the story line BMP is pushing on us, so they are going to give us those edits, dailies and directed interviews which support their story. Before passing judgment (which this board regularly does often to its discredit), I think we all need to be patient until the after the reunion show airs and until after both Mike and the cast have their post-show opportunity to tell us their view -- when they're out from under BMP and MTV's control. Any rush to judgment is usually flawed and often fatally so.
[QUOTE=rallen;247995]see that is what bothers me about mike, he just does not seem to have remorse. Dustin immediately does. It seems to be to be more than just the one comment dustin said it had been building, watching dailies the show and interviews mike takes every chance he gets to tear dustin down, maybe he is not a brawny fighter but I am pretty sure his verbal [B]ASSAULT[/B] would shred any person, and the reaction from myself would have probably been the same too. He was making dustin feel like nothing, he knew what he was doing and to be honest I just think the kid is a DB.[/QUOTE]
I 100% agree. I feel like there is a more personal underlying issue that Mike has with Dustin that is not coming out.
Dustin has a lot of toolbox moments - but the way Mike handles it all makes it really hard to be on his side.
I'll chalk up a good chunk of it to a lot of sexual frustration on his part.
Thing Mike isn't getting is that as annoying as Dustin might be... his other roommates just don't seem to be as bothered as Mike... he doesn't have to wrestle Dustin away from brawling with a Cancun cabbie, but he also doesn't need to get all 'butt hurt' because Heather wants to cuddle up to Dustin later that night... or the other roommates would rather enjoy the beach than listen to Mike rant and psychoanalyze.
"On the RW: Las Vegas, the cast heads to Cancun where Dustin and Mike Mike get into an argument that quickly turns dangerous dangerous, when Dustin grabs a weapon." *insert clip here, or in my case a picture*
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"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but strange birdcage decorative items from Pier 1 will never hurt me. They'll just make you look like a ***** who can't find a knife in Mexico."
-Joel McHale on The Soup
This is almost as funny as any of his not gay Ryan pieces.
[QUOTE=V1man;247996]One must also consider that this is the story line BMP is pushing on us, so they are going to give us those edits, dailies and directed interviews which support their story. Before passing judgment (which this board regularly does often to its discredit), I think we all need to be patient until the after the reunion show airs and until after both Mike and the cast have their post-show opportunity to tell us their view -- when they're out from under BMP and MTV's control. Any rush to judgment is usually flawed and often fatally so.[/QUOTE]
But my judgment is also based on the after shows where Mike speaks his mind...he just made it too hard for with him.
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