Real World: San Diego (2011) - Pride and Prejudice

[QUOTE=CzarEric;285741]This was probably my favorite episode of the season so far? I really enjoyed the title too! But did Frank figure out he was gay before this? Like did I miss something or was this the first time he said he was full on gay and not bi? The way it appeared in this episode implied that he had already said he was gay... that's at least how I took it. [/QUOTE] I truly believe that a person can be genuinely attracted to both sexes and it's not a phase or attention thing (the common misconceptions). It's just that producers probably haven't found a TRUE ******** male yet. Mike (D.C.) and Frank have failed. OR Frank just doesn't have to justify that he's ******** or correct anyone if they call him gay. I know I would get annoyed if he kept saying "I'm not gay, I'm ********" all the time.

Zach=Dustin Ashley=Heather Priscilla=Naomi Alex=Nany Frank=Adam Sam=Leroy/Cooke Nate=Mike Please tell me I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;285849]I truly believe that a person can be genuinely attracted to both sexes and it's not a phase or attention thing (the common misconceptions). [B]It's just that producers probably haven't found a TRUE ******** male yet. Mike (D.C.) and Frank have failed.[/B]OR Frank just doesn't have to justify that he's ******** or correct anyone if they call him gay. I know I would get annoyed if he kept saying "I'm not gay, I'm ********" all the time.[/QUOTE] How so when it comes to Mike Manning? I am certain I have seen him somewhere say that he is ******** but he got so tired of people trying to argue with him he was really gay he just said "Ok, I'm gay" so people would leave him alone about it. If someone is bi, then settling in with a man doesn't make them gay and settling down with a woman wouldn't make them straight. It would just make them lucky enough to find someone they wanted to be with.

[QUOTE=awalllll;285858]Zach=Dustin Ashley=Heather [B]Priscilla=Naomi[/B] [B]Alex=Nany[/B] Frank=Adam [B]Sam=Leroy[/B]/Cooke [B]Nate=Mike[/B] Please tell me I'm not the only one who's noticed this.[/QUOTE] Not at all

I've barely watched this season. But I have a friend in La Jolla and he said his friend is going to get included a lot later on in the season. Has that happened yet?

[QUOTE=LaneV95;285892]I've barely watched this season. But I have a friend in La Jolla and he said his friend is going to get included a lot later on in the season. Has that happened yet?[/QUOTE] Do you realize how incredibly vague that question is?

[QUOTE=Gdsimmons;285762]Nate has quickly become my favorite cast member. That dude is just awesome. He seems so chill and carefree. He seems like a hoot to hang out with. It was nice to see him open up and be just a fun guy. I get that Zach and the blonde girl are not the most comfortable around gay people. I get it. What I didnt understand was during that selling thing I think. Nate was out there just being friendly and selling stuff and all that. NAte was out there just being himself and seemed to be spreading the word about what they were doing. Zach and the blonde were sitting behind the table and speaking in a monotone voice not selling a damn thing. Its like at least have respect for your job. MTV edit on them is pretty bad, but they said those things so.....[/QUOTE] It's the edit, Ashley tweeted saying that she was out there painting, handing out bracelets, and just doing her job. Just because they showed them sitting at the table a few times does not mean they didn't do anything all day lol

This episode is really making me warm up to most of the cast. I couldn't stand Nate, but I'm really starting to like him. Loving Priscilla as always and really warming up to Sam (Not that I ever disliked her, but I didn't see enough of her to see how she is). I love how passionate Sam is about gay rights and on that same note, how passionate Nate is about raising suicide awareness and prevention.

A lot of people were saying how Ashley is boring and joked how they would continue to forget her name - well she's giving this season a lot more than Alex and Priscilla are so far. (I like Priscilla and Alex more than Ashley, I'm just stating those two are even more invisible at this point).

[QUOTE=FishHooks;285757]Since I've never seen MTV go out of its way to not endorse a charity, I am guessing they see Nate's charity as iffy too. Wish they had cast someone like Michael instead of a train wreck like Frank. It got really annoying when it seemed like most every time Michael was trying to speak Frank had to swoop in to kiss him.[/QUOTE] I agree that Michael would have made a much better cast member! I'm curious to know what part of Alabama he's from.

Frank says: "I don't want to do this, because I'm in too good of a mood" What I don't understand is why, if he truly felt that way, he would call up his mom and immediately bring up an argumentative subject. Also, this episode grossed me out for the simple fact that I hate public displays of affection, regardless of sexuality.

[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;285997] Also, this episode grossed me out for the simple fact that I hate public displays of affection, regardless of sexuality.[/QUOTE] I'm sure if it was a straight guy and straight girl or hell even 2 lesbian chicks then you wouldn't "hate" public displays of affection and YOU know it's true ! I couldn't even watch half of this show due to how disturbing it was lol like honestly this was too much . Call me a "homophobe" or "immature" or whatever but like I accept their lifestyles as long as they keep it far away from me and since I've always been a real world fan that's why I gave this season a chance and so far it's disappointing imo . I just want the show to be over with and see if Zach gets accepted in a Challenge.

[QUOTE=JayTee;286001]I'm sure if it was a straight guy and straight girl or hell even 2 lesbian chicks then you wouldn't "hate" public displays of affection and YOU know it's true ![/QUOTE] I "know" that I am disgusted by PDA regardless. Unlike many young men, I am not remotely intrigued by lesbianism.

[QUOTE=JayTee;286001]I'm sure if it was a straight guy and straight girl or hell even 2 lesbian chicks then you wouldn't "hate" public displays of affection and YOU know it's true ! I couldn't even watch half of this show due to how disturbing it was lol like honestly this was too much . Call me a "homophobe" or "immature" or whatever but like I accept their lifestyles as long as they keep it far away from me and since I've always been a real world fan that's why I gave this season a chance and so far it's disappointing imo . I just want the show to be over with and see if Zach gets accepted in a Challenge.[/QUOTE] I completely agree that it was awkward watching Frank and Michael kiss for half the episode.

[QUOTE=JayTee;286001][B]I'm sure if it was a straight guy and straight girl or hell even 2 lesbian chicks then you wouldn't "hate" public displays of affection and YOU know it's true ![/B] I couldn't even watch half of this show due to how disturbing it was lol like honestly this was too much . Call me a "homophobe" or "immature" [B]or whatever but like I accept their lifestyles as long as they keep it far away from me[/B] and since I've always been a real world fan that's why I gave this season a chance and so far it's disappointing imo . I just want the show to be over with and see if Zach gets accepted in a Challenge.[/QUOTE] PDA is not something that I'm fond of either. Holding hands and only kissing here and there don't really bother me, but if someone is full on making out they might as well get a room and seal the deal. I would rather watch something else, like a movie.

I think it's laughable that people keep using the phrase "open minded" to describe the political ambitions of this show. How many conservative political rallies or church services will be mandatory for the cast to attend so that they can "learn and grow by being exposed to others' beliefs?" Zero, obviously. It's not impossible that the more liberal roomates could find something uplifting in a church sermon, or discover some ideological common ground with conservatives, but the last thing the bigoted liberal producers want is any positive representation of conservativism or religion. The politics of the show are completely closed-minded and hypocritical, which may be why the preachiness is falling largely on deaf ears (if the ratings are any example). It's just the same stale, tired message: people become more enlightened when they become more liberal. It just doesn't resonate, imo.

[QUOTE=Blamo;286030]I think it's laughable that people keep using the phrase "open minded" to describe the political ambitions of this show. How many conservative political rallies or church services will be mandatory for the cast to attend so that they can "learn and grow by being exposed to others' beliefs?" Zero, obviously. It's not impossible that the more liberal roomates could find something uplifting in a church sermon, or discover some ideological common ground with conservatives, but the last thing the bigoted liberal producers want is any positive representation of conservativism or religion. The politics of the show are completely closed-minded and hypocritical, which may be why the preachiness is falling largely on deaf ears (if the ratings are any example). It's just the same stale, tired message: people become more enlightened when they become more liberal. It just doesn't resonate, imo.[/QUOTE] I agree with the underlying part of your point but I think the producers are more about making the money anyway they can and since younger demographic tend to be more liberal, they go to that side. To me it is more corporate exploitation than it is liberal agenda.

A very Real World-heavy Reality Scorecard this week. All hilarious. [quote][B]Nate[/B] (Real World, Kang): 10 points. Let's start from the beginning at the top of the list, nah mean have situation like this. Whoa, sorry. I've been listening to a lot of Mobb Deep lately. Anyway, here is how it all went down: Nate met some San Diego-y bros at a bar. Turned out those San Diego-y bros have a line of rubberish watches, and proceeds from these watches go to charity. Maybe a little of the proceeds, maybe all of them, it was unclear. As you tend to do when you have a dozen adult beverages in the middle of a sunny day at a bar, Nate got chummy with the San Diego-y bros and was impressed by their charitable intentions. One thing led to another, and the San Diego-y bros warmed to Nate and eventually built him a website to promote suicide awareness and help those who may be at risk. This was an amazing gesture on the part of the San Diego-y bros, this I am 100 percent sure of. However, I am 99 percent sure that, were Frat Boy Nate not being followed by MTV cameras, the San Diego-y bros would not have built said website. Even for good men (which my gut says San Diego-y bros are), the allure of reality-TV cameras, and the effect they can have on one's personal, professional, and sexual life, are hard to resist. Ask Terrell Owens. Bored? Don't worry, it is about to get boozy and weird. The idea of this project invigorated Frat Boy Nate: "My mind is exploding with ideas. WOOOOO! Huge events. I am just going to explode," he said. One of these ideas threatening to make Nate explode was a fashion show. Now, if you were going to spread the word about suicide awareness, would you use a fashion show? Where on the list of potential suicide-awareness-promoting events would a fashion show be? Somewhere right above a battle of death-metal bands and below a Botox party seems about right to me. Not to Frat Boy Nate. In order to spread the word, Frat Boy Nate and the San Diego-y bros (read: Real World producers) enlisted the help of members of the "Party Rock" crew. Real World fans will remember the leaders of the Party Rock crew, *****, from their befriending and inslopsicating of the Real World Cancun cast. Non-Real World fans will know them from their at-first-fun-but-then-quickly-nauseating single "I'm in Miami *****!" This season, ***** must have been on tour or hallucinogens because producers could only scare up ***** "stylist" Koco Blaq and a couple of Koco's nondescript homies. Nate felt so accomplished after having the idea for this potential fashion show that he decided to celebrate with Koco Blaq and his cronies. It did not end well. After a night of shots, shots, shots, sha sha sha shots, Frat Boy Nate and the Party Rock boys ended up back at the house and in the confession booth, where they slurrily asked, "Should we eat more snacks?" Now, I'm not saying that what they meant by "snacks" was edible marijuana -- wait, no, that is exactly what I am saying. I may be wrong (not sure, but I think I have to say that last bit because of lawyers and stuff) but I'm probably not. The next time we saw Nate, he was stumbling to his bedroom like a mare taking its first steps, collapsing head-first into the crevice between his bed and the wall. We've seen this before. It's called the "Ronnie" (10 points). The next morning, when Nate woke up for work, he looked like Beetlejuice. No, actually he looked like the love child of the Michael Keaton Beetlejuice and the Howard Stern Beetlejuice. This is probably not the last we've seen of Frat Boy Nate/Beetlejuice. I can't wait. [B]Frank[/B] (Real World, Connor): -10 points. Frank met a boy. Frank met a boy while doing a huge shot of Jägermeister. Actually, it wasn't so much a shot of Jägermeister as it was an entire glass of Jägermeister. It was at least four ounces. Watching it made anyone who has ever tasted Jägermeister (read: everyone) gag. Mind you, Frank is "curbing his drinking" on the advice of his therapist after acting like a total psychotic crazypants the last time he got drunk. The second these lovebirds started making out (5 + 5 = 10 points), I said to myself, "There is 100 percent chance that Frank gets slammered and ruins this relationship." Frank has a better chance of diving into a pool and coming out dry than not ruining this relationship in a drunken rage. If the two of them end up getting married, as they discussed just after meeting each other, I will chop off my right thumb. It was kind of cute watching them enjoy their new romantic connection. But only cute the way a lemming is cute before it reaches the edge of a cliff. Frank also got into an argument (5 points), volunteered (-25 points), and wore a bandanna on his head. At first I thought he was wearing it as a fashion statement, but soon realized it's actually the source of his insanity. I think he acts so irrationally because he cuts his forehead with a razor blade, covers the cuts with an LSD-soaked bandanna, and is on a perpetual acid trip like Jimi Henrix. If he bangs out a legendary guitar version of the national anthem at a Padres game on Real World this season, you'll know why. [B]Sam[/B] (Real World, Lane): -20 points. Sam cried (5 points). I would write more, but there is nothing funny left to say after Bill called her Eminem. [B]Priscilla and Alex[/B] (Real World, Bill and Lane): -25 points. Priscilla and Alex both lost 25 points this week for volunteering at gay pride. The entire focus of the last two episodes has been on the homophobia of Football Guy With a Facial Regimen Zach and I Can't Tell lf She Is Hot Ashley. Granted, their homophobia is a terrible thing and worth exposing to show us all how far the rest of our generation has come in the acceptance of alternative lifestyles. That said, though, if this cast were halfway decent, the producers would have spent a few minutes on homophobia and moved on. In order to help the producers in the future, this week's GRTFL Top 5 list is of the other storylines they should have given more time to, listed in order from "Yeah, they should have done that" to "Wait, they should have done that too." 5. Zach and Ashley aren't having sex? What? They're always together, they're the most attractive people in the house, they're both single, and they share facial products -- how are they not having sex? The only thing that I can think of is that Zach has no game and is the shy hot guy we all wish we could switch bodies with. The guy looks like a male model, lives in Pacific Beach, San Diego (if you are a single man, book a flight now), is being followed by cameras, and hasn't hooked up yet? I thought the only one who could pull that off was Pauly D. 4. Alex is a psycho girlfriend. What happened to Alex and her Roger Federer look-alike, guitar-playing boyfriend? You have one of the top Jekyll and Hyde girlfriends on your cast and you can't fly that dude back out? In case you didn't see it, she got legitimately angry at him for not holding her hand, and for drinking a glass of wine without her. The only reason they could possibly have not explored this further is that immediately after he left the house, he filed a restraining order. 3. Sam and her hot new girlfriend. Sam/Eminem met a smoking-hot lesbian out at a club and we didn't see her for more than 90 frames the whole episode? How does this happen? 2. Priscilla and her busy chauffeuring schedule. Underage Priscilla lives the life of a Brooklyn livery cab driver. She drives aimlessly around San Diego waiting for a call over a shortwave radio to pick up her drunken roommates at nightclubs. She should just give up and buy a Town Car with tinted windows that smells like chana saag. 1. More beach montages. Look, if the cast sucks, just focus on the city. Come in and out of every commercial break with 45 seconds of surfer dudes, bikini babes, and crashing waves. Everybody wins.[/quote] [url=http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/36867/reality-scorecard-nate-does-the-ronnie]Reality Scorecard: Nate Does the Ronnie - Hollywood Prospectus Blog[/url]

Ok seriously, I'm getting sick of every comment in the RW section lately getting dissected for homophobia. It's taking up space and taking away from the show discussion.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;286052]Ok seriously, I'm getting sick of every comment in the RW section lately getting dissected for homophobia. [B]It's taking up space and taking away from the show discussion.[/B][/QUOTE] I agree. If a comment has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion of the episode, it will be removed and the offender will be infracted.

Back to the show, what happened to Sam and the girl she was at the club with? She became an after-thought on the episode after the first 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;286052]Ok seriously, I'm getting sick of every comment in the RW section lately getting dissected for homophobia. It's taking up space and taking away from the show discussion.[/QUOTE] I do agree that if any of us have something personal to say to just PM that particular individual, but with that said, since the theme of really the entire season has been about gay acceptance, equality, open-mindedness and homophobia, it's sort of impossible to dissect that from the episodes, especially this one. This show revolved all around Frank finding himself, gay awareness, and Zach being homophobic. Several commenters on this site making homophobic comments falls in line with the show and the thoughts behind homophobic views. But that's just my opinion.

[QUOTE=101flyboy;286058]I do agree that if any of us have something personal to say to just PM that particular individual, but with that said, since the theme of really the entire season has been about gay acceptance, equality, open-mindedness and homophobia, it's sort of impossible to dissect that from the episodes, especially this one. This show revolved all around Frank finding himself, gay awareness, and Zach being homophobic. Several commenters on this site making homophobic comments falls in line with the show and the thoughts behind homophobic views. But that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE] Yes, except people are posting their personal opinions which you then dissect. If a person is homophobic or does not agree with the gay lifestyle, they don't. They don't need to be called homophobic or a gay basher or anything of the sort by another member. It's borderline insulting. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's wrong. You don't need to tell someone else they don't accept homosexuality; they probably already know it.

What is a gay lifestyle? How is it any different to a straight lifestyle? I am actually confused.

[QUOTE=molds13;286061]Yes, except people are posting their personal opinions which you then dissect. If a person is homophobic or does not agree with the gay lifestyle, they don't. They don't need to be called homophobic or a gay basher or anything of the sort by another member. It's borderline insulting. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's wrong. You don't need to tell someone else they don't accept homosexuality; they probably already know it.[/QUOTE] The real insult is the belief itself, not me or anyone else calling a person out on that belief. I'm don't want to do the whole personal thing here but the reality is, a lot of people think being anti-gay is bigotry, is wrong, is offensive, and will challenge individuals when they openly espouse such views, plus hate the excuses made for such views and borderline whining when called out on said views. The way I see it is, don't make excuses for your beliefs, that's really annoying and pathetic. If you feel strongly about the way you do, then fine. But being ultra defensive shows otherwise. With that said, turning it back to the show, that's sort of the way Frank felt towards Nate and Zach from the beginning. Especially Nate and the blow up they had. But then after that blowup, Nate sort of gained perspective, and grew from that experience. So I don't see the validity in going out of ones' way to be anti-gay, when we have an example on the show that one can choose to take the steps not to be. One more thing: Gay is a sexual orientation. Not a lifestyle. Like ILoveRW said, what exactly would constitute a gay lifestyle? How do gay people lead a completely different life than straights? And what is there not to accept? All of these questions, in my eyes, are directly connected to the show, to really come to an understanding of why someone like Zach (and others) hold the views they do.

I haven't seen anyone comment on this so I will: Frank: I LOVE you. Michael: I know you do. Made me laugh Frank didn't get the "I love you too" back when Mike was leaving.

[QUOTE=FishHooks;286072]I haven't seen anyone comment on this so I will: Frank: I LOVE you. Michael: I know you do. Made me laugh Frank didn't get the "I love you too" back when Mike was leaving.[/QUOTE] Haha, I laughed at it too, reminded me of the end of Empire Strikes Back. Anyway, I also found it kind of weird that Frank was dropping the "L Bomb" within a few hours of meeting Michael. Obviously I'm not Frank so I can't testify as to how he was feeling. But seemed to me that it was more of an infatuation at first sight, not love at first sight. It'll be interesting to see how things pan out between them in the following weeks.

They got in a major fight it seems, when they showed the previews of the second half of the season. Frank is too up and down with himself and his state of being to have a boyfriend. Michael is ultra chill, but their personalities clash.

I laughed when Ashley made the comment "My anxiety is so high right now" or something like that when they were at Pride. I was like, "Yeah, its called homoPHOBIA". But I think a lot of her anti-gayness comes from following along with whatever Zach does or says, and also to just be dramatic. I am really loving Nate after these past two episodes. Not only is it awesome to see him so excited and passionate about his Suicide Awareness campaign, he has also made such leaps and bounds from the beginning when he was acting so ridiculously anti-gay. I like to watch the Real World to see the growth people make, and I think Nate is coming a long way. I thought for sure, at the beginning, that I would hate his character, but he is easily my favorite right now, next to Sam.

Bleh, can this season get any more boring?! Frank continues to freak me out. NOT because he is gay, but because he's a little bit of a psycho when it comes to relationships. It started on the first episode when he got all creepily possessive of Alex when she was talking to that guy in the club and then proceeded to get all crazy when she wasn't romantically interested in him, despite the fact that he had known her for all of one or two days. Then this Michael guy comes along...and trust me, I would feel this way whether it was a dude or a girl...and Frank is obsessed with him within an hour! No wonder he feels like he's constantly getting hurt by everyone...he cares WAY too much about EVERYONE waaaaay too fast. Slow down Frank! If I was dating you and you were acting like that within the first date, I would RUN the other way!