Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your analysis. I'm not a fan of the theme (didn't like it on Survivor, either) but that's the way it goes. You gave me some things to think about, though, and that's a good thing.
I know a lot of people aren't crazy about this theme but please keep a few things in mind...
1) This show has been on the verge of cancellation for a while. The lack of shows on MTV being runaway hits and the mainstream coverage they get from people like Bill Simmons, Johnathan Coachman, etc. have kept it on life support. Also, the ratings for Rivals 1 and Battles of the Exes 1 really kept it afloat the last four seasons. If Bloodlines is successful, it may pump enough life to get another 2-3 seasons out of it.
2) The average viewer is who MTV wants to watch this show. The 100 or so people on here are valuable to them but not as valuable as the other 1 million or so viewers. Reality TV shows mostly don't last longer than 5 seasons. The Challenge has lasted longer than most of them with a few exceptions on the big networks (Survivor, etc.). The first season aired in 1999 ( I don't count the quasi Road Rules All Stars season) and it is still on 16 years later. In order to survive, the show has to continue to evolve.
3) V1Man is excited about the concept for a few reasons. One of which is a friend of his came up with it so if it succeeds, a friend of his gets a huge pat on the back. That said, if he thought it would be horrible, in the past he usually says so. This time he is actively engaged in the conversation. That tells me we should all keep an open mind.
4) At the end of the day, we will probably never get an Old School vs. New School Challenge. If we do, the Old School people will be Brad, Bananas, Mark Long, Wes, CT, etc. for the men and the female side will probably be a lot thinner because so many of them have retired. Why? Because anyone pre-Fresh Meat 2 hasn't been on the show in almost 6 years with the exceptions of Trishelle, Alton, Cohutta, and Isaac. Cohutta and Isaac being great surprises for Free Agents and the high possibility Cohutta gets casted in the future due to the screen time he saw in Free Agents.
5) Just enjoy the show for what it is and not what you want it to be. I'd love to see a Duel 3 with the best of the best battling it out but I also can't set my expectations so high that the show sucks in comparison. I wasn't sure how I felt about Battle of the Exes 2 after seeing the cast and especially after the Diem/Knight tragedies. It turns out, with the exception of the Final, I loved every single episode. It was great. Was the cast perfect? No. Was I entertained? Yes.
At the end of the day as a fan, I just want to be entertained and see some old favorites here and there which BMP tends to do from time to time if the format works. Sorry for the book but gosh the negativity about the new season that hasn't filmed, been confirmed, or seen yet can be a bit overwhelming at times.
If the speculated theme is correct I think It would be great to see Nicole and her sister (I think it was her sister .... they showed her in one episode of RW) compete in the challenge. Nicole seems to have allot of potential and her sister? seems like a strong girl too. She actually beat Nicole in a "arm strenght thing" or whatever is called.
With this theme I really wonder which veterans will make the cast list. Hope the final list is interesting.
One of Nicole's sisters is getting married this summer so unless it doesn't interfere I don't think they will be on.
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
Its not like you cant say who it is.. You can say Jordan and explosion guys got one but not them? seems odd
I was told not to write their names on the public thread yet, until some of them make it obvious on social networks. I have tell some people that I trust on this site privately those from AYTO that I am aware have been contacted.
BTW I dont think its hard to guess 2/4 that I am aware of since I technically gave it away.
As far as Jordan and Explosion guys, even though I have confirmation that they got availabilities calls. Anyone without a source can assume that them with Bananas, Zach, Nany, Dustin, Nia and other regulars have gotten atleast the availability calls.
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
PREACH
It would be annoying atleast for me if more than half of the cast is composed of people that were never of real world and road rules lol half of the cast being bloodlines , while others being FM2/Camila/AYTO
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
PREACH
It would be annoying atleast for me if more than half of the cast is composed of people that were never of real world and road rules lol half of the cast being bloodlines , while others being FM2/Camila/AYTO
I'm right there with you sister. The alumni need to be RW all the way. Non-castmembers should not take up half the alumni side and I'd be pissed if that turns out to be the case.
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
Yeah, that's the thing for me too. Half the spots are bloodlines, so this is one of those formats where I definitely don't want to see a bunch of AYTO taking up space that could be used for some actual alumni. (a few deserving a chance)
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
PREACH
It would be annoying atleast for me if more than half of the cast is composed of people that were never of real world and road rules lol half of the cast being bloodlines , while others being FM2/Camila/AYTO
I'm right there with you sister. The alumni need to be RW all the way. Non-castmembers should not take up half the alumni side and I'd be pissed if that turns out to be the case.
But then again Fresh meat 2 had more fresh meaters than real world and road rule people lol It wouldnt surprised me
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I would mu h rather see adam then Brittany. Adam is like everyone else whereas with Brittany I get the impression she thinks she is so much better then everyone else because she was asked to be on the challenge from a totally different show so she must have been loved that much, even the podcasts she has done sound like she is the greatest to ever walk the earth.
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I feel the other way around about Brittany/Adam lol I cant stand Brittany. I would take Jessica on a 4th challenge in a row, over Brittany on a second.
All the way, I don't think Jessica is good whatsoever. But Brittany is worse, she brings nothing.
I liked Brittany the whole challenge UNTIL she lost in like 5 seconds in the elimination with Nany. Like seriously. If they have to choose a female from AYTO I rather them choosing someone else. And no, not Simone either lol.
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I feel the other way around about Brittany/Adam lol I cant stand Brittany. I would take Jessica on a 4th challenge in a row, over Brittany on a second.
All the way, I don't think Jessica is good whatsoever. But Brittany is worse, she brings nothing.
Jessica put a great fight against Cara Maria, Brittany lose in 5 seconds against Nany...I think both are annoying but I can tolerate Jessover Brittany
I think Shanley would be a good fit but I do not understand asking AYTO 2 people when there are so many from RW that haven't been used & want to get on...if they don't take this opportunity to cast Scott but put ANYBODY from AYTO 2 on over him then it'll confirm so much for me.
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I feel the other way around about Brittany/Adam lol I cant stand Brittany. I would take Jessica on a 4th challenge in a row, over Brittany on a second.
All the way, I don't think Jessica is good whatsoever. But Brittany is worse, she brings nothing.
Jessica put a great fight against Cara Maria, Brittany lose in 5 seconds against Nany...I think both are annoying but I can tolerate Jessover Brittany
Of course! But if they bring back Portland girls, I'd rather see Averey and Nia over Jessica. And the boring one but hot Joi as a surprise.
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I feel the other way around about Brittany/Adam lol I cant stand Brittany. I would take Jessica on a 4th challenge in a row, over Brittany on a second.
All the way, I don't think Jessica is good whatsoever. But Brittany is worse, she brings nothing.
Jessica put a great fight against Cara Maria, Brittany lose in 5 seconds against Nany...I think both are annoying but I can tolerate Jessover Brittany
Of course! But if they bring back Portland girls, I'd rather see Averey and Nia over Jessica. And the boring one but hot Joi as a surprise.
I think Shanley would be a good fit but I do not understand asking AYTO 2 people when there are so many from RW that haven't been used & want to get on...if they don't take this opportunity to cast Scott but put ANYBODY from AYTO 2 on over him then it'll confirm so much for me.
Dario & his twin are ever so slightly excusable.
However... I wholeheartedly agree so ******* much that it hurts.
Any other format I don't really care but for this one I don't like the idea of having AYTO on there, there's no reason for challenge fans to root for a new AYTO addition and then also care about their bloodline.
Was just thinking the exact same thing. He mentioned being a twin and being a successful baseball player on the show, they could be a really good team.
I would honestly be happy with Dario and his brother. Does anyone know if Ashley or Paris have siblings?
I am still hoping Nicole and one of her sisters can work around the wedding and show up. Would love to see Nicole compete.
I personally dont see them ever asking ashley and for Paris she have a little sister in elementary or middle school.
Well.. That won't work lol. I know people found Ashley boring but I really liked her. I'd much rather see her than Briana, Jess, and Christina.
But if they wanted females I'd assume those three would be top choices.
I agree, sadly Ashley is to calm for MTV they will go with the hot messes if they are even interesting is interesting any girl from that show.
and the sad thing is Ashley has a younger brother who is HUGE, bigger and taller than even Layton from what i could tell, and who plays football so that would be interesting to see.
and guys i bet it is Dario who was asked, for the reason PinkRose had an answer for everyone except him.
Any other format I don't really care but for this one I don't like the idea of having AYTO on there, there's no reason for challenge fans to root for a new AYTO addition and then also care about their bloodline.
That's why I hate this theme. No one is going to care about AYTO (again....) and the alumni's bloodline. It just doesn't make sense to get excited for.
For the record--because there is some significant misimpression around--"Bloodlines" is a variation on the concept that was presented to Daniels in Jan/Feb. The original concept is what I've endorsed and said would work (because I know I could produce it). As best I can determine, Bloodlines is a different pool of people than Spouses/Significant others (Committed, non-married life partners) and siblings. Someone in a civil union or common law marriage would fit, for example, as would a cousin. The original concept I've supported would, by necessity, have cast some old school people who have spouses or significant others (not BFs, GF, or casual sex partners/people casually dating). That is why I said some time ago that I though there was a possiblity we would see old school cast members soon on "a challenge, but not necessarily the 'next' challenge."
Things changed when I learned MTV's demographic focus was changing, and this was confirmed when one potential cast member described the casting as "blood relatives only." Then the word came from MTV to a well-connected old school cast member: "Old School people no longer fit our demographic." It sucks, but there it is...
Hopefully some of you actually read the restructing announcement from Viacom released last week. It falls in line with the departure of MTV Networks President Van Toffler (a strong challenge and RW supporter) and the staffing reduction announcement that also axed long time Reunion/Specials show producer, Scooter Alpert and others. I'm a realist. BMP is casting a challenge they are calling "Bloodlines" when they describe it to potential cast members. Vevmo protestations aren't going to change that. The good news for some may be that if they can't find enough "players" in their recent pool of potential cast, they will expand both up and down (to season 2 AYTO) and also to earlier RW seasons (I'd bet against RR people returning, sadly). Remember, people also have to pass the psych and med tests. As one potential cast member wrote on twitter, "I'm pretty sure my brother is on drugs." So, if the choice is to change the concept or use some old school people to fill the holes, I'm betting they will fill the holes rather than jetison the concept.
JMO
THanks for the insight, the part I bolded is the only thing that gives me hope.
Though I know it wont change anyones mind, is there anywhere we could send letters of compalint (tactfully) about wanting to see old schoolers? Is classic snail-mail letters even acceptable anymore? To show there is love for this show and that their is love for cast members that help make the show what it is, even if they are out of their 'demographic'?
With so little spots open due to including bloodlines, I really hope the four AYTO aren't picked....one would do. No need for four with lack of positions
PREACH
It would be annoying atleast for me if more than half of the cast is composed of people that were never of real world and road rules lol half of the cast being bloodlines , while others being FM2/Camila/AYTO
a freaking men. I made the mistake of watching 'The Gauntlet' over the past two days...seeing a cast full of RW/RR alum that were battling each other to see which show would win was wonderful...if this cast like 4 to 6 real worlders and the rest are from others shows or families, I'll be extremely sad
Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your analysis. I'm not a fan of the theme (didn't like it on Survivor, either) but that's the way it goes. You gave me some things to think about, though, and that's a good thing.
I know a lot of people aren't crazy about this theme but please keep a few things in mind...
1) This show has been on the verge of cancellation for a while. The lack of shows on MTV being runaway hits and the mainstream coverage they get from people like Bill Simmons, Johnathan Coachman, etc. have kept it on life support. Also, the ratings for Rivals 1 and Battles of the Exes 1 really kept it afloat the last four seasons. If Bloodlines is successful, it may pump enough life to get another 2-3 seasons out of it.
2) The average viewer is who MTV wants to watch this show. The 100 or so people on here are valuable to them but not as valuable as the other 1 million or so viewers. Reality TV shows mostly don't last longer than 5 seasons. The Challenge has lasted longer than most of them with a few exceptions on the big networks (Survivor, etc.). The first season aired in 1999 ( I don't count the quasi Road Rules All Stars season) and it is still on 16 years later. In order to survive, the show has to continue to evolve.
3) V1Man is excited about the concept for a few reasons. One of which is a friend of his came up with it so if it succeeds, a friend of his gets a huge pat on the back. That said, if he thought it would be horrible, in the past he usually says so. This time he is actively engaged in the conversation. That tells me we should all keep an open mind.
4) At the end of the day, we will probably never get an Old School vs. New School Challenge. If we do, the Old School people will be Brad, Bananas, Mark Long, Wes, CT, etc. for the men and the female side will probably be a lot thinner because so many of them have retired. Why? Because anyone pre-Fresh Meat 2 hasn't been on the show in almost 6 years with the exceptions of Trishelle, Alton, Cohutta, and Isaac. Cohutta and Isaac being great surprises for Free Agents and the high possibility Cohutta gets casted in the future due to the screen time he saw in Free Agents.
5) Just enjoy the show for what it is and not what you want it to be. I'd love to see a Duel 3 with the best of the best battling it out but I also can't set my expectations so high that the show sucks in comparison. I wasn't sure how I felt about Battle of the Exes 2 after seeing the cast and especially after the Diem/Knight tragedies. It turns out, with the exception of the Final, I loved every single episode. It was great. Was the cast perfect? No. Was I entertained? Yes.
At the end of the day as a fan, I just want to be entertained and see some old favorites here and there which BMP tends to do from time to time if the format works. Sorry for the book but gosh the negativity about the new season that hasn't filmed, been confirmed, or seen yet can be a bit overwhelming at times.
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PR why you always say someone got a call, why not just say who it is
Ohhhh I didn't knew that. Ugh bad timing I guess.
Its not like you cant say who it is.. You can say Jordan and explosion guys got one but not them? seems odd
PREACH
I was told not to write their names on the public thread yet, until some of them make it obvious on social networks. I have tell some people that I trust on this site privately those from AYTO that I am aware have been contacted.
BTW I dont think its hard to guess 2/4 that I am aware of since I technically gave it away.
As far as Jordan and Explosion guys, even though I have confirmation that they got availabilities calls. Anyone without a source can assume that them with Bananas, Zach, Nany, Dustin, Nia and other regulars have gotten atleast the availability calls.
It would be annoying atleast for me if more than half of the cast is composed of people that were never of real world and road rules lol half of the cast being bloodlines , while others being FM2/Camila/AYTO
I'm right there with you sister. The alumni need to be RW all the way. Non-castmembers should not take up half the alumni side and I'd be pissed if that turns out to be the case.
Adam and Brittany have to be the ones called over JJ and Simone. They showed more potential and JJ is recovering still from his heart attack.
Not sure how I feel about these two at the moment. I'd like to see more from Brittany but Adam? Eh.
I feel the other way around about Brittany/Adam lol I cant stand Brittany.
I would take Jessica on a 4th challenge in a row, over Brittany on a second.
Yeah, that's the thing for me too. Half the spots are bloodlines, so this is one of those formats where I definitely don't want to see a bunch of AYTO taking up space that could be used for some actual alumni. (a few deserving a chance)
But then again Fresh meat 2 had more fresh meaters than real world and road rule people lol It wouldnt surprised me
I would mu h rather see adam then Brittany. Adam is like everyone else whereas with Brittany I get the impression she thinks she is so much better then everyone else because she was asked to be on the challenge from a totally different show so she must have been loved that much, even the podcasts she has done sound like she is the greatest to ever walk the earth.
All the way, I don't think Jessica is good whatsoever. But Brittany is worse, she brings nothing.
What are the chances of not getting Jess, Jenna, Brittany, Zach, and Jay on the next challenge because if those people were not on I would be in love.
I liked Brittany the whole challenge UNTIL she lost in like 5 seconds in the elimination with Nany. Like seriously. If they have to choose a female from AYTO I rather them choosing someone else. And no, not Simone either lol.
Jessica put a great fight against Cara Maria, Brittany lose in 5 seconds against Nany...I think both are annoying but I can tolerate Jessover Brittany
I think Shanley would be a good fit but I do not understand asking AYTO 2 people when there are so many from RW that haven't been used & want to get on...if they don't take this opportunity to cast Scott but put ANYBODY from AYTO 2 on over him then it'll confirm so much for me.
Of course! But if they bring back Portland girls, I'd rather see Averey and Nia over Jessica. And the boring one but hot Joi as a surprise.
haha I agree
Dario & his twin are ever so slightly excusable.
However... I wholeheartedly agree so ******* much that it hurts.
Any other format I don't really care but for this one I don't like the idea of having AYTO on there, there's no reason for challenge fans to root for a new AYTO addition and then also care about their bloodline.
and the sad thing is Ashley has a younger brother who is HUGE, bigger and taller than even Layton from what i could tell, and who plays football so that would be interesting to see.
and guys i bet it is Dario who was asked, for the reason PinkRose had an answer for everyone except him.
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I think it would be funny to see an over protective brother with a sister and she hooking up lol
For example if they get Dustin and his little sister Victoria, I can see him having a heart attack of she hooks up
That's why I hate this theme. No one is going to care about AYTO (again....) and the alumni's bloodline. It just doesn't make sense to get excited for.
Some Ideas are better left on the cutting room floor
THanks for the insight, the part I bolded is the only thing that gives me hope.
Though I know it wont change anyones mind, is there anywhere we could send letters of compalint (tactfully) about wanting to see old schoolers? Is classic snail-mail letters even acceptable anymore? To show there is love for this show and that their is love for cast members that help make the show what it is, even if they are out of their 'demographic'?
a freaking men. I made the mistake of watching 'The Gauntlet' over the past two days...seeing a cast full of RW/RR alum that were battling each other to see which show would win was wonderful...if this cast like 4 to 6 real worlders and the rest are from others shows or families, I'll be extremely sad
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