The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion

[QUOTE=JL81790;293531]So was this mysterious maroon team a trick of the light or is there some funny business going on? Dustin and Heather are definitely gray. [B] Also $290,000? That's an interesting amount[/B].[/QUOTE] I'm expecting a $10K twitter fan favorite contest or something like that to make it the even $300,000.00.

[QUOTE=JL81790;293531]So was this mysterious maroon team a trick of the light or is there some funny business going on? Dustin and Heather are definitely gray. Also $290,000? That's an interesting amount.[/QUOTE]I think it was Dunbar/Paula. It sort of looks like theirs and Wes/Mandi's color. The name on the back of the shorts looks too long for it to be Wes so Dunbar/Paula are the only other team it could have been.

[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293538]That still doesn't prove how she was bad on this challenge. Sure they said she's un-athletic on their season but it's been almost a year since then. I think people are just giving an excuse to why their favorite (Leroy) was sent home so early. Mike didn't seem to be athletic but they made it to the end on Rivals because the power alliance pretty much let them. Now, there are more eliminations to try to dodge and the challenges look harder and more intense than Rivals. And no one was saving them this time. So if Leroy and Naomi got last on a challenge (I can't see anyone voting them in so early) then that's probably because they sucked as a team. And in the promos it looks like Naomi is giving Mandi a run for her money. I am interested in seeing who eliminated them though.[/QUOTE] Naomi is extemely unathletic, Nany has said so, Naomi has said so, LeRoy has said so. Naomi even said in the 15 preview she would rather not do challenges and just stay at the house. She says on twitter all the time about how she was surprised she even did a challenge. Its not an excuse as to why LeRoy was sent home but its a huge factor as to why he probably lost. LeRoy is an athlete and Naomi is not, in a team situation you are only as strong as your weakest player. Mike may not have been the biggest stud ever but he had some capabailities and from what I hear about Naomi she has none. And in the 1.2 second screen shot of Naomi vs Mandi, Mandi is on top of Naomi with control of whatever they are holding, I would hardly say that is giving her a run for her money. Naomi isnt an athlete, whether you like or her not or want her to be something big or not, she is is just not an athlete and will probably never do well at challenges....heck by the way she talks on twitter I would probably bank on her not even doing another challenge.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;293494]TJ wasn't at the top of the Rivals mountain though and them falling down makes it look like they finally can stop and rest after winning.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that destination is just a flag and its not even at the top of a mountain, there isnt even a box to open or anything to tell them they won, that cannot be the end point. I mean I remember when Landon/Carley and Kenny/Laurel were climbing a cold mountain like that TJ was at the top, and they were basically crawling, so they easily could have just fallen down. Also do we even know what Diem is wearing? or Camila for that matter? Everybody is just jumping to too many conclusions about who won...I doubt they would dead give away who won the first 5 minutes like that, BMP/MTV arent that dumb. and FYI Nightwolf even if you get 2nd or 3rd and you finish you will probably stop and rest, it doesnt necessarily mean that you win if you stop and rest. I refuse to believe that Johnny/Camila could beat CT/Diem. And if they did I would imagine that CT/Diem would be literally on their tail.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;293494]TJ wasn't at the top of the Rivals mountain though and them falling down makes it look like they finally can stop and rest after winning.[/QUOTE] The previews have them moving across a ridgeline that looks like that one. Here they are racing toward a ridgeline. I am guessing that this comes before the movement along the ridge. Could be wrong, but still just seems like some sort of gate (plus no camera guy in the shot and that would be a pretty fair distance to have to call a photo finish accurately).

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;293599]Nothing has been confirmed yet, but if Johnny wins this one people will finally have to start recognizing him as a great competitor. Other than getting destroyed by CT, he's has been exceptional on the past 2 challenges (Rivals, Cutthroat). Camila may be a good partner, but she's arguably the worst of the three girls in the Final.[/QUOTE] I agree with all of this.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;293599]Nothing has been confirmed yet, but if Johnny wins this one people will finally have to start recognizing him as a great competitor. Other than getting destroyed by CT, he's has been exceptional on the past 2 challenges (Rivals, Cutthroat). Camila may be a good partner, but she's arguably the worst of the three girls in the Final.[/QUOTE] I think Diem is worse. Diem has always been overrated. She is only good at running.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;293599]Nothing has been confirmed yet, but if Johnny wins this one people will finally have to start recognizing him as a great competitor. Other than getting destroyed by CT, he's has been exceptional on the past 2 challenges (Rivals, Cutthroat). Camila may be a good partner, but she's arguably the worst of the three girls in the Final.[/QUOTE] I guess it all hinges on your conception of what constitutes fair competition... Was microsoft a savvy "competitor" when they used their operating system monopoly to bundle microsoft internet explorer in windows PCs, and drive netscape navigator from the market. Or were these practices in fact "anticompetitive?" Tyler and Camilla have shown themselves to be great head to head competitors. Johnny is lucky to have them as partners In fair head to head competition Johnny has a mixed record. He lost that watermelon lifting challenge to Tyler on an older season and was eliminated. He lost the elimination challenge to Tyler on Cutthroat. He was eliminated in a head to head challenge by Evan on Gauntlet III. Did he win any challenges on the Island? He sure intimidated a lot of people with his menacing behavior... What Johnny excels at, is using intimidation, manipulation, and alliances to avoid having to face fair head to head competition in elimination rounds. In my book this is "anticompetitive." When it comes to fair head to head competitions, he's won some and he's lost some. He is merely mediocre in head to head competition. Remember, in the Rivals finale Kenny and Wes beat him and Tyler in the actually finale. What Johnny won was the 15 minute crap shoot that was tacked onto the end of the finale. Johnny excels at using politics and intimidation to avoid fair competition, and to game the system in his favor. In my book this is "anticompetitive."