[quote=Ctk495;62508]Guys this whole partners thing might actually play a big factor.For example in the first episode Robin picked MJ then they were both on the ice challenge together finally in the end of episode two they were both going to the duel.Like Nehemiah said he is actually responsible for Brooke and Davis going home since he knew that
Paula=Dumbar and Brooke=Davis.
Lol it´s funny how the whole alliance deal works again basically Evan,Brad and Mark are using Landon for now then before the final they got rid of him(though it was because he was injured.)Note it might seem the each one of this guys are playing a different role like Brad is just being nice to everybody and he even said that he wouldn´t want to call anybody if he was the last guy picked.While Mark Long is respected by everybody so no one will one to call him out and his just into trying to win challenges so that him and his guys are the ones that are chosen at the begging.While Evan is pulling all the strings and giving the impression to everybody that he is running the game. This may be since he made it far in the first duel so people will think that right after CT, making Evan is basically the strongest guy. You guys might remember that Evan said in the first duel that he could take out anybody and that CT was the only one between him and the 150k.I feel bad for Landon though am I the only one the feels he is getting used?I mean the reason why Mark long picked Landon was so that Landon wouldn´t call him out(is better to have the strongest competitors as allies rather than enemies)same as with Rachel and Anessa,Rachel knows that Anessa is strong enought to take her out so it would be better have her picked rather than having her as an enemy.The last episodes are going to be interesting to watch since it will be the big alliance having to screw each other over.I think that the might be one of the reasons there are keeping MJ around since he and Landon were on the same season I´m sure the are good friends so that might make Landon believe that he is part of the alliance.[/quote]
Fianlly, someone agrees with me upon my views of the strong Rachel Robinson. She also may have a personal interest in Anessa, but she does not want to see her in a Duel. I've always said depending on the duel .... there was a 60% chance that the duel would favor Aneesa. I really hope Tori called out Rachel in the last duel if she isn't in fact the daily challenge winner or 2nd place. The last challenge before the final probably automatically sends 3rd place and 4th place automatically in the duel.
As for Landon being used, I am not sure there. He was just as much as an influence as was Evan imo and yes there could have been a tug of war between him and Evan, but Landon was the most feared competitor there. No one including Evan wanted to see him in the duel. I do think Evan eventually wanted Landon gone because of his strength - same as Duel 1 with CT. However, from the previews, we see Landon vs Brad. If the injury situation is indeed true, which I believe, then the question becomes, how did BMP and MTV get Landon to agree to take a dive, if in fact he could no longer compete. I just hope that the Landon/Brad duel isn't a staged WWE wrestling match with a predetermined winner.
[quote=Darock1713;62531]Finally, someone agrees with me upon my views of the strong Rachel Robinson. She also may have a personal interest in Anessa, but she does not want to see her in a Duel. I've always said depending on the duel .... there was a 60% chance that the duel would favor Aneesa. I really hope Tori called out Rachel in the last duel if she isn't in fact the daily challenge winner or 2nd place. The last challenge before the final probably automatically sends 3rd place and 4th place automatically in the duel.
As for Landon being used, I am not sure there. He was just as much as an influence as was Evan imo and yes there could have been a tug of war between him and Evan, but Landon was the most feared competitor there. No one including Evan wanted to see him in the duel. I do think Evan eventually wanted Landon gone because of his strength - same as Duel 1 with CT. However, from the previews, we see Landon vs Brad. If the injury situation is indeed true, which I believe, then the question becomes, how did BMP and MTV get Landon to agree to take a dive, if in fact he could no longer compete. I just hope that the Landon/Brad duel isn't a staged WWE wrestling match with a predetermined winner.[/quote]
I agree with you about Rachel too, who I think is the strongest girl there, but I also think that this isn't her main reason in aligning herself with Aneesa, only because I do believe she has just as good a chance at taking Aneesa.
I must say I think they used Landon too. They know he is the strongest guy there, so why not use him as part of your alliance to ensure yourself safety, and when you get to a certain point, get rid of him.
I also am realllyyyy hoping for Tori vs. Rachel, but to be honest, I don't think that is what happened. I don't think either of them are dumb enough to go for one another.
[quote=Dartagnan;62173]In my opinion, every Duel but Push Over would be easy to defeat Big Easy in.
If I had to take a guess, someone in the big alliance probably went for him or vice versa.[/quote]
Derek beats Eric in the duel pole dance based on the previews. You see a guy with a blue shirt decending from the pole and Eric at the bottom with a blue or purple shirt on. I have been back and forth on this one as well, but I think Jenn (not tori) is the one that ends Kim's run on the Duel in the Push Over duel. Something tells me that Kim sees the Duel two consecutive times taking down Ruthie and then losing to Jenn.
I think Easy probably went after Derek since his history shows that he'll try to take the easy way out, but with so many strong competitors left, there was no buffer room. He wasn't going to be stupid and pick Brad, again!
I think we will see Nehemiah vs Evan next week in The Elevator and Katie vs Jenn (Push Over or Back Off). Soemthing tells me that Mr. Starkman will see the duel arena quite a bit this challenge.
[QUOTE=Darock1713;62531]Fianlly, someone agrees with me upon my views of the strong Rachel Robinson. She also may have a personal interest in Anessa, but she does not want to see her in a Duel. I've always said depending on the duel .... there was a 60% chance that the duel would favor Aneesa. I really hope Tori called out Rachel in the last duel if she isn't in fact the daily challenge winner or 2nd place. The last challenge before the final probably automatically sends 3rd place and 4th place automatically in the duel.
[B]
As for Landon being used, I am not sure there. He was just as much as an influence as was Evan imo and yes there could have been a tug of war between him and Evan, but Landon was the most feared competitor there. No one including Evan wanted to see him in the duel. I do think Evan eventually wanted Landon gone because of his strength - same as Duel 1 with CT. However, from the previews, we see Landon vs Brad. If the injury situation is indeed true, which I believe, then the question becomes, how did BMP and MTV get Landon to agree to take a dive, if in fact he could no longer compete. I just hope that the Landon/Brad duel isn't a staged WWE wrestling match with a predetermined winner[/B].[/QUOTE]
I was not offer my opinion regarding Landon being used. It is a fact and one of the spoilers I've been sitting of for months. Landon was not in the real pre-game alliance.
[QUOTE=LilysMom;62577]Gosh, Do we even think Landon is stupid enough to be used? Maybe I give him too much credit, but I believe he is smarter than that.[/QUOTE]
The [strike]duplicity[/strike] beauty of their strategy is that only four people know about it... and it will nearly destroy one of them later in the game.
[quote=V1man;62584]The [strike]duplicity[/strike] beauty of their strategy is that only four people know about it... and it will nearly destroy one of them later in the game.[/quote]
Could this be why Brittini is in the same room with Rachel and Aneesa?
[quote=joliny;62376]Besides who would be in an alliance with CT? Diem and Aneesa? I don't think any of the guys would have his back and they had a secret plan to get rid of him anyway. BTW I wonder who his "partner" would have been had he not been kicked off the show? Was it Shavon?[/quote]
CT said via facebook that he did not have an alliance on the first duel and he didn't have any going into this one.
[quote=tjhallow;62379]I don't know about anybody beating CT unless its a puzzle, the guy is an animal.[/quote]
He did beat Evan in a puzzle on the first duel.
Sorry for continuing the CT forum . . .
[QUOTE=eggs78;62591]
He did beat Evan in a puzzle on the first duel.
Sorry for continuing the CT forum . . .[/QUOTE]
Yes, but Evan himself has admitted he's not too stellar at puzzles...and CT could be a very book smart guy. He does have a BBA.
[quote=LilysMom;62589]Could this be why Brittini is in the same room with Rachel and Aneesa?[/quote]
I'm confused who all sleeps in the same room. Where do Diem & Tori sleep because in the dailies today Jenn, Derek, Paula, and Dunbar said they were the only ones left in their room.
[quote=eggs78;62591]CT said via facebook that he did not have an alliance on the first duel and he didn't have any going into this one.
He did beat Evan in a puzzle on the first duel.
Sorry for continuing the CT forum . . .[/quote]
Yeah but CT obviously made an alliance with Diem during the first Duel.
There has always been small secretive alliances, but I don't think there has been any real huge alliance until G3 sort of, but more apparent on The Island. I've watched since BOFTSexes1 but i can't really remember much until about BOFTSexes2. But although there were alliances like Brad, CT, Darrell, Derrick in I2 and Susie and Cara in every challenge they did together, there was no major alliance ruling the challenges until I guess you could say G3 with the Vet Males. In Fresh Meat the Theo Darrell and Derrick alliance fell apart because of Theo going into Exile and the Austin alliance was crushed obviously. But alliances always seemed like just friends working together until it got to G3.
TJ, Tori, Kim, Diem all room together.
Rachel, Aneesa, Katie, Ruthie, and Brittni all roomed together.
Dunbar, Jenn, Paula, and Derek roomed together.
As for the guys, they all slept in the same room for each other.
I am going to take a stab, and say that V's mentioning of somebody almost losing because of Landon's "alliance" wanting to out him would be Brittni.
[quote=molds13;62614]I hope you mean MJ...TJ interacting would just be...well, weird and awkward.[/quote]
I think he's talking about me. He probably meant to be like
TJ,
so and so roomed together. LOL
[quote=Dartagnan;62612]TJ, Tori, Kim, Diem all room together.
Rachel, Aneesa, Katie, Ruthie, and Brittni all roomed together.
Dunbar, Jenn, Paula, and Derek roomed together.
As for the guys, they all slept in the same room for each other.
[B]
I am going to take a stab, and say that V's mentioning of somebody almost losing because of Landon's "alliance" wanting to out him would be Brittni.[/B][/quote]
If only 4 people know about it wouldn't it be the 3 people in the alliance, Evan, Mark and Brad then Rachel as the 4th? I thought she knew about the guys too and was brought in with them after the hot tub experience...
[quote=tjhallow;62617]I think he's talking about me. He probably meant to be like
TJ,
so and so roomed together. LOL[/quote]
Yes. Haha. Sorry for the confusion.
But I think rooming is one of the key factors too. You have to think, people like Brittni probably would not have made it this far, if it hadn't been for Rachel and Aneesa being on her side, as well as Landon.
[quote]If only 4 people know about it wouldn't it be the 3 people in the alliance, Evan, Mark and Brad then Rachel as the 4th? I thought she knew about the guys too and was brought in with them after the hot tub experience... [/quote]
Oh I see what he meant. I took what he said out of context. Well then, those four would be my guess as well. But destroying them? That would only point to one thing for me, a Duel. In which case, he goes up against Brad in the Duel.
[QUOTE=Dartagnan;62621]Yes. Haha. Sorry for the confusion.
But I think rooming is one of the key factors too. You have to think, people like Brittni probably would not have made it this far, if it hadn't been for Rachel and Aneesa being on her side, as well as Landon.
Oh I see what he meant. I took what he said out of context. [B]Well then, those four would be my guess as well. But destroying them? That would only point to one thing for me, a Duel. In which case, he goes up against Brad in the Duel.[/B][/QUOTE]
I wrote "and it will [B]nearly[/B] destroy one of them later in the game." "Nearly" does not fit a duel since one wins or loses. "Nearly win" still defines a loser.
By now, people should know that I rarely bother with what you may see on TV. I try to focus on what actually happens off camera because I prefer exploring the social dynamics that make these people tick.
I made a promise to person #4 not to reveal the name.
[quote=V1man;62640]I wrote "and it will [B]nearly[/B] destroy one of them later in the game." "Nearly" does not fit a duel since one wins or loses. "Nearly win" still defines a loser.
By now, people should know that I rarely bother with what you may see on TV. I try to focus on what actually happens off camera because I prefer exploring the social dynamics that make these people tick.
I made a promise to person #4 not to reveal the name.[/quote]
Ahh well I like that you focus more on the off-screen situations, because they tend to be more interesting.
Well I probably should be more attentive to details, I am an English whizz, but you'd be surprised sometimes....
[quote]If only 4 people know about it wouldn't it be the 3 people in the alliance, Evan, Mark and Brad then Rachel as the 4th? I thought she knew about the guys too and was brought in with them after the hot tub experience...[/quote] Or Tori...she definitely seems to have a bit of an emotional episode over [i]something[/i]. Could easily be Rachel as well, but Rachel seems too tough to me to care about people getting screwed over. She's a "take no prisoners" sort of gal.
[quote=MrsPlumBean;62734]Or Tori...she definitely seems to have a bit of an emotional episode over [I]something[/I]. Could easily be Rachel as well, but Rachel seems too tough to me to care about people getting screwed over. She's a "take no prisoners" sort of gal.[/quote]
Agreed. That is exactly why I automatically crossed off Rachel from the list. I am thinking inside of the alliance. Tori could very well be that person.
Seems pretty clear to me that it'd be Tori, I don't see why Brad would be keeping secrets from her over a game with financial consequences....their assets will soon be shared anyway
[quote=V1man;62640]I wrote "and it will [B]nearly[/B] destroy one of them later in the game." "Nearly" does not fit a duel since one wins or loses. "Nearly win" still defines a loser.
By now, people should know that I rarely bother with what you may see on TV. I try to focus on what actually happens off camera because I prefer exploring the social dynamics that make these people tick.
I made a promise to person #4 not to reveal the name.[/quote]
Used is a strong word imo, but without knowing the behind the scenes dynamic, I dont know. I could be Landon being viewed as more of a threat in the Final challenge, but at full strength, the question would have been, which one of the 3 would call him out. Furthermore, I believe if it wasn't for his injury, he wasn't going to lose to anyone there. the one person that could have taken him was ejected early.
As for Rachel, was Paula not ahead of her in the alliance before Paula started making decisions including Dunbar and so called throwing suspicion in Evan's direction.
Regardless, if Landon was being used, from the 3 episodes, his main concern is Brittani. However, they show alot of his interactions with [B]Brad. However, Brad for the most part has always gotten a good edit, and has never won.[/B] I could see how Brad could mask his manipulative tactics and no one suspecting otherwise. I look at his on air conversations with Nehemiah and Landon in regards to Evan, and just wonder ....................................
I hate to think of these guys using Landon. He seems like a great guy and plays the game fairly.
I too am starting to have my suspicions regarding Brad. I really like him and hope that he is not being shady. I do remember that he got manipulated in an earlier show by Mark and Eric Nies so he has been used in these challenges before. He should know how it feels.
If he is being shady I am pretty sure he is not doing it with Tori's knowledge. I don't think she would want any part of that since she seems to be a nice girl.
"Used", "manipulated," "played," choose your own word. In my mind, I don't see the act as necessarily being evil. My purpose was, in the context of a spoiler discussion, to reveal this alliance, not to condemn it; to afford you the sub-rosa context of The Duel. It is just game play, and in many respects it is simply brilliant without either being good or bad.
Over time, the approach that some have taken to developing strategy to play the game has clearly evolved. Imagine three very strong players on Survivor knowing each other before the show and agreeing upon strategy and tactics to further their alliance throughout the game. Since one needs numbers greater than three until the end, one naturally would create or join open alliances that could be peeled away over time, with the intent of leaving the three in the best position possible toward the end of the game. Perhaps it would be something that Jeff would intentionally reveal or unintentionally expose during some tribal council, or perhaps if the alliance is carefully maintained, no one would be the wiser.
While we might be shocked in the traditional context of Survivor at the lack of fairness to those who didn't know each other, the "Fans vs. Favorites" season carried this specific potential for game play. It is a given on the challenges that most people know each other and begin talking in "what if" terms as soon as the first "are you available" calls begin a couple of months before cast departure. As the availability calls transition to the fewer actual invitations, the cast act to solidify their alliances. Some people put considerable effort into this while others do not. The same thing is beginning to happen among VH1 reality personalities as 51 Minds Entertainment casts for "I Love Money 3."
The least intelligent strategy for any alliance coming into the game, if your alliance is numbers poor, is to reveal your core alliance too early, if at all, since others could, would or should act collectively as soon as possible to remove that alliance from the game. The smart strategy is to take advantage of the cast's general expectations of you, because if you give the rest of the cast what the are expecting to see, you reinforce their views. I don't know if anyone came into the game saying "watch out for an Evan, Mark, Brad" alliance." We certainly haven't heard that in an interview or revealed in any way in the show edits. I can't recall those three every being seen on camera alone together.
Survivor long ago embraced the reality that attempting to follow a pure moral compass put one at a distinct disadvantage given the practical necessity of "outwitting, outlasting and outplaying" others. This reality is no less true for the challenges where nearly every, both cast and fan, could pre-challenge create their own list in order of ability from top to bottom, and in relative terms, most of us would agree. This is why, whether one is weak or strong in any aspect of the game, the smart money is on developing an alliance or alliances that will keep one in the money as long as possible. An unseen alliance is as "legal" as the one seen openly. I'd simply encourage people not to condemn it, but to embrace watching the show with this spoiler in mind. For me, that is far more exciting that figuring out who goes home next.
[QUOTE]I'd simply encourage people not to condemn it, but to embrace watching the show with this spoiler in mind. For me, that is far more exciting that figuring out who goes home next.[/QUOTE]
I thank you for this reminder and completely agree. It's a game; trying to win a game is not a crime. Sure, there are less transparent and friendly ways to do it, but in the end everyone wants to win. Some people are just better at playing than others.
RW/RR challengers have the unique opportunity to evaluate the other competitors based on prior knowledge and assess their own chances of winning. To use that information to work out the best strategy to keep themselves in the game is a smart thing to do.
Honestly, the only thing that bothers me about the alliance, other than the fact that I dislike Evan and sort of wish he would just disappear from my television set, is the "the three of us will win at any cost" mentality combined with the fact that one of the three has a fiancee also on the show. Other than that, they can have at it. I definitely am enjoying looking for signs of the alliance in the episodes and speculating about why they are doing certain things.
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