I like Landon, sucks that it appears an injury essentially put him out of the game. However, I see nothing wrong with the keep your friends close and enemies closer strategy. This is about winning. Some (like Brooke and Ryan) may be there for the social interaction but at the end of the day this is still a competition. I can see how in knowing Landon was one of the strongest competitors (who wins/won immunity) and not wanting to risk seeing him in the Duel too early they could've decided it was to their benefit to let him in on the fringes of their alliance - in retrospect it probably worked to Landon's advantage as well since ultimately he may not have seen as many Duels as a result. Everyone that stayed in the game did so by forming alliances - even Landon (even if the terms weren't what he thought they'd be), the only difference is that E/B/M were smarter about how they protected their own alliance.
I've just been informed that in next week's episode the specter of this alliance is apparent. But the questions will be, does the cast see it and what can they do about it. We are advised to watch the elimination selection carefully.
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Cast member do read vevmo... ain't it great! [/I]
[quote=V1man;62936]I've just been informed that in next week's episode the specter of this alliance is apparent. But the questions will be, does the cast see it and what can they do about it. We are advised to watch the elimination selection carefully.
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Cast member do read vevmo... ain't it great! [/I][/quote]
As that in regards to the picking order?
[quote=ssseeeaaann;62742]Seems pretty clear to me that it'd be Tori, I don't see why Brad would be keeping secrets from her over a game with financial consequences....their assets will soon be shared anyway[/quote]
Definitely not Tori, could be Brad, but not Tori .....
As for Landon being "used", of course it is obvious to recognize that in all alliances that there is a pecking order. MJ knew his position and Landon, Mark, Brad, and the Evan Almighty also had to know that there were only 3 spots for the Final. The only way I can see Landon being used, manipulated, etc is that he perhaps confided in Brad and somehow thought that they would eventually plot to get rid of Evan which would be naive. Again, I credit Rachel, Mark, and Brad for playing real quiet amongst the large majority, but Brad has been feeling out the entire house as much as Evan has.
Regardless, the composite of that alliance at this point basically had 5 males (Evan, Brad, Mark) with expendable pieces Landon and MJ. Paula was replaced by Rachel, and the outside attachments there were Aneesa and Brit. Eventually, someone had to take the risk out MJ and Landon ..... I cannot see a Landon vs MJ duel in the cards, but if it does occur, then yes .... I credit the core alliance for a well thought out manipulation. The alliance would be considered stronger imo if it provided empty promises to guallable souls that through they could benefit ........ perhaps if Dunbar is coersed into calling in Derek, etc.
Personally, I think too much has been made of the alliance, since it appears that some of the outsiders have stepped their game up and have at least injected a level of threat into the so called "major players". For example, Evan sees the Duel at least twice, Brad is in there with Landon (for the last Final slot). Point is is that even if you have a vote or voting scheme to ensure your not last, it means nothing unless you win immunity.
I don't get why people think Paula was replaced by Rachel. The three main girls that Brad, Evan and Mark probably had in mind to bring to the finals with them were Paula, Rachel and Tori.
Brad and Tori
Evan and Paula
Mark and Rachel
Landon and Brit were disposable, but Brit managed to make it.
If anything, Aneesa took Paula's spot.
I wonder who Tori loses to. Humm. Aneesa?
[quote=Famous.;63016]I don't get why people think Paula was replaced by Rachel. The three main girls that Brad, Evan and Mark probably had in mind to bring to the finals with them were Paula, Rachel and Tori.
Brad and Tori
Evan and Paula
Mark and Rachel
Landon and Brit were disposable, but Brit managed to make it.
If anything, Aneesa took Paula's spot.
I wonder who Tori loses to. Humm. Aneesa?[/quote]
There isn't a clear indication of a partnership established even at this point. From my understanding, Evan and Paula had an understanding to vote each other, that's it. I'm starting to think that she may not have even known the extent of Evan's alliance with Brad and Mark (which includes Rachel).
Landon and Brit were disposable, same as MJ ............. however, someone needed to do the dirty work - perhaps this is the elusion of the #4 person V1 man was referring to. Or maybe not. smart money says that Rachel/Mark kept quiet the whole time.
[QUOTE]Definitely not Tori, could be Brad, but not Tori ....[/QUOTE]
Why "definitely not"? I assume that Brad, Mark, and Evan obviously all know about their own alliance, so the fourth person is someone apart from those three, not Brad. Unless you're referring to the person it nearly destroys, in which case I'm still not sure why it definitely isn't Tori. It could very well refer to Brad, but since I think V1Man is the only one who [I]knows[/I], I'm not sure why anyone should be absolutely ruled out.
[quote=MrsPlumBean;63031]Why "definitely not"? I assume that Brad, Mark, and Evan obviously all know about their own alliance, so the fourth person is someone apart from those three, not Brad. Unless you're referring to the person it nearly destroys, in which case I'm still not sure why it definitely isn't Tori. It could very well refer to Brad, but since I think V1Man is the only one who [I]knows[/I], I'm not sure why anyone should be absolutely ruled out.[/quote]
V1mans posts are very clever and worded purposely to test ones mental mettle imo. This is the fun part of these boards.
However, on this particular issue because of this particular type of challenge, I am more inclined to believe that an alliance has a limited amount of power - A vote. In the past, esp where vote offs were means of survival as opposed for being able to fight in an elimination round, then yes an alliance had more power.
Not to undermind the purported efforts of Evan & Company to manipulate duels ......... ala Wes duel one when he coersed Evan into picking CT only for CT to send Evan packing. Evan chose him then because he thought he'd be in the clear at the Final. This time because there are so many strong males, he has chosen to avoid duels and manipulate matchups to get rid of the so called alliance buffer. However, because he too can be called in, in my opinion, his alliance and their cause only ensures that Evan vs Brad/Mark, Mark vs Brad/Evan, and Brad vs Evan/Mark doesn't occur. This des not save any of them, immunity aside, to being called in by one of the stronger players as the pickings get slim. If they masterminded a Landon vs MJ duel, then all bets are off, they're good and the subject are not as smart as we think.
Yet, at the days' end. We are assured that everyone besides Rachel and Mark (perhaps) will see the Duel, and I can accept that.
As for V1man's 4th person ............ I simply refrain for making a speculation and defer to a simple tactic known as process of elimination. As stated, Mark & Rachel are very low profile, very low. Do the math.
[quote=Darock1713;63121] As stated, Mark & Rachel are very low profile, very low. Do the math.[/quote]
Mark & Rachel weren't engaged to be married and Mark had nothing to lose by keeping secrets from Rachel, like Brad would by keeping secrets from Tori. If the alliance operated in its mutual self interest as has been stated, a Tori win on the girls side is almost equivalent to a Brad win on the guys side (I say almost as they aren't married yet and aren't necessarily one financial asset entity). It was also stated that everyone else was disposable to the 3 person alliance, but if there were complications with the disposability of a 4th person, it's probably be the cast member who has the single strongest bond to another person in New Zealand. And that's not Rachel with Mark...
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;63125]It's me. I'm the 4th person. They call me at home. :D[/quote]
OPD...what they told me I was their fourth? Making the power moves from my in home office. Relaying to them what Vevmo wanted to see happen! This is clearly a conspiracy...although we both live in Oregon, we could even be roomates? It could have actually have been both of us ;)
Thank you, [B]Darock[/B], for explaining. I don't necessarily entirely agree, but I see now what you meant.
From what we've heard, I think the Evan/Brad/Mark alliance goes a lot deeper than just agreeing not to call each other out in the duels. I think they're really trying to manipulate this game, and it seems as though they'll be successful. Like you said, there's no guarantee that other people won't call them out, like Davis calling Evan out. But they can certainly try to set certain things up, perhaps more subtly than the Wes manipulation. In these kinds of games, when everyone is paranoid to begin with, a whisper to the right person that someone is gunning for them can set off a chain of events. I think there were a lot of possibilities for the alliance to manipulate people. It remains to be seen if they used any of them.
[quote=ssseeeaaann;63132]Mark & Rachel weren't engaged to be married and Mark had nothing to lose by keeping secrets from Rachel, like Brad would by keeping secrets from Tori. If the alliance operated in its mutual self interest as has been stated, a Tori win on the girls side is almost equivalent to a Brad win on the guys side (I say almost as they aren't married yet and aren't necessarily one financial asset entity). It was also stated that everyone else was disposable to the 3 person alliance, but if there were complications with the disposability of a 4th person, it's probably be the cast member who has the single strongest bond to another person in New Zealand. And that's not Rachel with Mark...[/quote]
I agree, but there is some reason why the previews show a rift between Tori & Brad, and Tori has openly admitted her disgust for her tenure on The Duel 2. It's sad because had she focused more on the game, she would have seen that the only thing keeping her from the money is - R A C H E L.
Well that plus the obvious fact she is more Brad focused than game focused, which probably explains her departure in the Final Female Duel according to the spoilers.
Furthermore, if things pan out like I think they will, that last female duel will feature an [B][U]"unlikely" upset winner[/U][/B]. Hell, perhaps both of the last female duels will show the questioned ability under pressure of this same person since she will likely be a major target towards the end, that is assuming she doesn't win immunity.
Nevertheless, this isn't Scooby Doo where there is a certain revelation of the unmasking of some culprit. It will come out in time, perhaps by the time of the Dunbar or Derek elimination, yet I applaud the extra added element of mystery injected into the mindsets of us vevmoers.
However, based on your above post, this bond you refer to is the one of socio-game play. For example a bond that has been through numerous challenges together ........
[quote=MizFit2009;63380]So Katie and Nehimiah go this week?Then Ruthie and Issac?Then Eric and Kimn?Are those the orders we know?[/quote]
From the information presented to the jury, I think that is a safe bet.
Is anyone like me and is annoyed seeing the wimps always winning, like Kenny and Johnny? I mean i think Evan and Mark are no threats in the game, psychically. Mark in the Gauntlet 2 and Duel 2, Mark NEVER goes in. I wanted Landon to win this challenge, just because he deserves it, but hey he won all his other challenges, so I don"t really mind him losing this one.
Brittini is Svetlana in this challenge, I do hope she wins it. As for the boys, i hope Brad wins it because:
Evan is annoying as HELL, and is not a psychical threat at all.
Mark, he comes out as the big guy but I am sure that some of the "small guys" can beat him.
Now I do not think that MJ and Landon goes up next to each other, I mean they have matching tattoos and are best friends. If they do however, then those three must be very good at manipulating.
Another question, after Real World: Cancun, what challenge is going to be next? The inferno III (Or IIII, cant remember x]) or The Gauntlet IIII?
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Another question, after Real World: Cancun, what challenge is going to be next? The inferno III (Or IIII, cant remember x]) or The Gauntlet IIII?[/quote]
The next challenge is "The Pit". There a thread on it : [URL]http://vevmo.com/f187/the-pit-thailand-mtv-2956/[/URL]
[quote=V1man;62584]The [strike]duplicity[/strike] beauty of their strategy is that only four people know about it... and it will nearly destroy one of them later in the game.[/quote]
I´m 100% sure that it´s Tori.
edit:By saying nearly,it means that there are on the final so let´s analyze
Brit:It can´t be her since she couldn´t be Tori on a physical competition plus she is not in shape.
Rachel:I´ve been told Rachel never sees a duel.
OMG IT´S ANESSA!It fitss perfectly she is upset since $he had to go against Tori in the last duel!Plus about the dirty work she had to take out Paula.
[quote=chiku;63421]Wait guys
so its
Britini, Rachel, Evan, Mark, brad and who was the last girl again?
x}[/quote]
Aneesa and I think
I think Rachel and Mark win but that is my best guess.
Landon never see's a Duel. He gets pulled from a game.
And I'm hearing people say its actually Evan that takes out MJ in the Duel.
So if the rumors of Evan faces Nemo this week are true... Evan might be the new Sarah and Derrick.
[quote=MizFit2009;63517]Landon never see's a Duel. He gets pulled from a game.
And I'm hearing people say its actually Evan that takes out MJ in the Duel.
So if the rumors of Evan faces Nemo this week are true... Evan might be the new Sarah and Derrick.[/quote]
I thought there was a Landon/Brad duel. I thought this was seen in the trailer.
[quote=MizFit2009;63520]There was also a Landon/Mark Duel... but it turned out to be just the challenge.
If you have a screen cap of them though i would love to see it.[/quote]
Um, I knew that was a challenge.
[quote=MizFit2009;63524]I'm gonna take screen caps of the trailer. We can figure out who faces who that way.[/quote]
I said [B]I thought. [/B]I did not write "I know for a fact there is a Landon/Brad duel." You don't have to prove anything.
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