[quote=producer88;101177]Did you know Joey was disrespecting Ayiiia, and burned her with his cigar, before she made the herpes comment? Did you know Emilee actually was screaming at Ayiiia about her problems, and bringing stuff from Ayiiia past, before the adoption comments (on top of that Emilee didn't even hear it)? Did you know the CD Ayiiia scratch was her copy, and Joey gave each castmember one?
Now you see why I said you can't always believe what you see. Production will make Mother Theresa a villian. Now Joey had nothing to do with the CJ/Ayiiia argument. He wanted to make her mad to make her go home. For no reason...except he doesn't like her....now doesn't that sound childish, and not being an adult?
IMO an Adult will try to solve all issues talking, and directly to the source. Not trying to get someone to be physical.[/quote]
Producer, Ayiiia started that argument. I commend you on sticking up for her, but to be honest, I love her to death, she started the majority of the fights.
Why does it take physical assault to kick someone out of the house? The way Joey was abusing Ayiiia to the point where she cut herself on any other Real World season would've prompted some sort of intervention by the cast to call him out.
Joey going up to Ayiia and asking if "[SIZE=-1]she needs a knife[/SIZE]" -- at that point, shouldn't producers stop taping right there and call a house meeting?
Are we living in such a different generation that if we see someone acting completely reprehensibly we totally look the other way i.e. Bronne saying "I know what Joey's doing is wrong, but I'm not going to do anything about it." Wow.
This was a very tough and true to life episode. I think Emilee, Jona and Jasmine were huge support systems to Ayiiia. I know from my studying, even if someone doesn't know how to handle a cutter, people should be there and listen to them.
People cut themselves with different things, and you can't define a cut by the size or how much blood was spilt.
The truth is I like Joey. But I did think he went overboard this episode.
The fight between CJ and Ayiiia was different than I was expecting. Ayiiia was drunk when it happened, and once CJ got going he was just letting off all of the steam he'd been bottling up inside of him. What I did kind of find funny was that at one point behind Ayiiia you could see Derek and Bronne just hanging out on the sidelines watching everything go down.
Joey deffinetly went too far this episode. I'm not going say that Joey is a complete **** though, because I don't think he is. He seems like he can be a sweet guy sometimes, like he was with Jasmine. But it seems like he is the complete opposite with someone that he doesn't get along with, which is sort of understandable, but the comments to Ayiiia and the signs he made were completely unnessecary. Ayiiia was dealing with something serious and Joey shouldn't have been using that against her. Another thing that I did think was kind of funny was when Jasmine was comforting Ayiiia on the porch, Bronne was just over in the corner sleeping and missing everything. I really hope we get to see more of Bronne, Jasmine and Derek. In the end, I did think this was a good episode.
I do have to say though, when I first read about Bronne and the fire extinguisher I was expecting him to be running down the hallway spraying or something not throwing it off a freaking balcony! I do hope he didn't hurt anyone, but that made me laugh for a good 5 minutes. :girl_haha:
[quote=emilee;101289]Producer, Ayiiia started that argument. I commend you on sticking up for her, but to be honest, I love her to death, she started the majority of the fights.[/quote]
Thank you Em, I appreciate you saving me the effort of having to respond to the repetitive posts that Ayiiia never starting anything and is an innocent victim in all of this...and since you and Ayiiia, as well as you and Joey, have buried the hatchet, I imagine there are some very good qualities about BOTH Ayiiia and Joey, it's just had to see them at times.
For the record, when the season started and Joey made the comment that you "are a waitress, get over yourself", I thought Joey was a total jerk and did not like him at all at that point, but by the time he apologized to Ayiiia in that episode, he had won me over, so to speak.
How much blood did Ayiiia lose this episode?? Some of those camera shots made it look like a murder scene.
That StudentCity.com supervisor didn't seem to care that there was a crisis the previous night. Emilee should have explained that Aiiiya [I]almost died.[/I]
[quote=snarkaholic;101305]That StudentCity.com supervisor didn't seem to care that there was a crisis the previous night. Emilee should have explained that Aiiiya [I]almost died.[/I][/quote]
It's not Emilee's responsibility. Furthermore, Emilee telling their boss about it may have deeply upset Ayiiia. If anyone was to say anything, it would have to be Ayiiia. Ayiiia slept in when she should have called her boss before she was waiting outside in a van waiting to pick up students.
I just don't see why everyone goes so nuts over this stuff. I firmly believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but the fact is that we really can't comment too much on the character of the cast members. We are fed by MTV a story and we can't know how accurate that story is. We don't know any of the cast members and we don't know what happened during their stay there. None of us will ever know every detail of that fight, nor will most of us be able to understand everyone's actions because we weren't there. Obviously you can form an opinion, choose a side. However, going so in depth and getting so defensive about people we don't actually know just doesn't seem right. The instigator could have been Joey, or it could have been Ayiiia, or it could have been CJ, or it could have been none of them. We simply do not know. Joey could be the nicest guy in the world or the biggest ******* and the same goes for the rest of the cast. And you can think about them what you want to but we can't talk about how Ayiiia has so many problems and needs help and seeks attention and doesn't have a real cutting problem because we don't know her, we don't know her situation. Just like we can't say Joey is the meanest person in the whole world because we don't know that. Some of the cast members like Joey, so he can't be all that bad. Some of the cast members like Ayiiia, so she can't be all that bad. I feel like the only people who really should be allowed to talk in a way that isn't "I think" or "it seems to me like" but instead is in a knowing way are the people that were there. Everyone else's opinion is just an opinion based on a TV show. That does not make you an expert, that does not make you right. That just means you have an opinion.
[quote=yupitssara;101307]The instigator could have been Joey, or it could have been Ayiiia, or it could have been CJ, or it could have been none of them. We simply do not know.[/quote]
We know. Emilee (who is a cast member) just posted the answer to this "mysterious" question...although it was obvious to me (and others) already.
We all have opinions, and that is what makes debating fun, as well as educational...it's not a bad thing...but you are correct, everyone has good points and bad points about their personality. We are all human, and that is the nature of the beast.
[quote=yupitssara;101311]I do believe she was referring to the fight between her and Ayiiia, and she said Ayiiia started the MAJORITY of the fights, not all.[/quote]
Now you are splitting hairs...as well as misinterpreting what Emilee is saying instead if actually listening to what she is saying...Ayiiia is not the innocent victim here, she was an active participant in all of the arguments, and even the instigator at least some (or most) of the time.
[quote=sundream;101317]Now you are splitting hairs...as well as assuming what Emilee is saying instead if actually listening to what she is saying...Ayiiia is not the innocent victim here, she was an active participant.[/quote]
I never said she was and innocent victim and I'm not splitting hairs. Producer88 had made a comment about Emilee yelling at Ayiiia before Ayiiia made the comment about adoption and I do believe {because I don't know for a fact, and neither do you} that Emilee was trying to defend herself in saying Ayiiia started that argument between the two of them {which she may have because I, again, do not know because I was not there}. She did say the words she started the majority of the fights, however she did not say and has not said she started the fight with CJ and Joey. Am I saying Ayiiia didn't start the fight with CJ and Joey? No I am not. What I am saying is that none of the cast members have specified who started it so WE DON'T KNOW.
[quote=yupitssara;101318]What I am saying is that none of the cast members have specified who started it so WE DON'T KNOW.[/quote]
And your point is?
And just for the record, it looks as though Ayiiia started it by disrespecting CJ by humiliating him in front of his date, and Ayiiia said herself she did NOT know that CJ did not like her at the time, so when she said those things, she felt as if she was being "playful", but calling his **** a piglet (which is not playful in my opinion) in front of his date is what started CJ on his rampage...then things escalated...it's not rocket science.
[quote=sundream;101317]Now you are splitting hairs...as well as assuming what Emilee is saying instead if actually listening to what she is saying...Ayiiia is not the innocent victim here, she was an active participant.[/quote]
Sundream, everyone knows that Aiiiya started a lot of fights.
However in this particular fight, Joey [I]completely[/I] crossed the line into a territory that if I was a producer who was watching this unfold would make me wonder, 'hmm, this isn't a normal fight, this is serious abuse directed at an emotionally unstable person and I shouldn't just stand around.'
Jonathan Murray obviously felt the situation was serious enough to warrant an aftershow discussion...does anyone remember this ever happening before?? Was there an aftershow special on alcohol abuse when Ruthie got alcohol poisoning back on the Hawaii season??
[quote=sundream;101319]And your point is?[/quote]
My point is you're going around saying how Ayiiia is the bad guy here and faking her problems and starting the fight and you weren't there so you can't say that stuff because you don't know if any of that is true.
Look guys you really need to stop going back and forth about who is right and who is wrong....state your opinion and move on. If you can't play nice then don't bother enaging in ridiculous banter.
Infractions will follow for people who keep it up.
[quote=emilee;101229]Our job was as real as any job could get for any of the past seasons.
And btw, Derek broke that rule on our "last night" with Student City.
It's called, editing. We all were highly amused by the fact that they took something that happened our last month there and made it seem like it occured two months in.[/quote]
Thanks for the clarification, Emilee. However, I wasn't referring so much to the incident with Derek so much as the alcohol consumption displayed by your cast in general. The Student City director seemed to make it pretty clear that you guys should not be intoxicated in public once the job started.
From the perspective of the viewers, it doesn't really seem like this rule is being taken seriously. Secondly, it doesn't matter if Derek broke the Student City rule one day into the job or the last night of employment. Rules are rules and should be taken seriously regardless of how annoying or inconvenient they may be.
I am not saying it was easy to be in Cancun and follow such stringent rules, I am sure it was immensely difficult. The cast on the RW Las Vegas seemed to have similar problems being in a 24/7 party atmosphere and and remaining responsible to their employer. I guess I had high hopes for this season going in and have been a little shocked at the behavior, especially after last night's episode.
You know when Joey suggested that Ayiiia go cut herself. It reminded me of Big Brother 9, when Joshua and Chelsia suggested Amanda go commit suicide just like her father.
[quote=yupitssara;101322]My point is you're going around saying how Ayiiia is the bad guy here and faking her problems and starting the fight and you weren't there so you can't say that stuff because you don't know if any of that is true.[/quote]
Look, don't start putting words into my mouth. I never said she was faking her problems.
Do I think Ayiiia is the instigator in the house? Yes. Do I think Joey goes over the line? Yes...but that is what happens when you start a lot of fights...things go overboard, and you can't fault Joey for reacting to Ayiiia when she is so mean to him in the first place.
And you can drop the "I wasn't there" routine, as we ALL were not there, but this forum is here for us to express our opinions on the show and the cast, and if we had it your way, this forum would just be a slobbering love fest over the cast members.
[quote=snarkaholic;101321]Jonathan Murray obviously felt the situation was serious enough to warrant an aftershow discussion...does anyone remember this ever happening before??[/quote]
Yes it has happened before. This was not the first aftershow discussion. :)
[quote=Kismet;101325]Rules are rules and should be taken seriously regardless of how annoying or inconvenient they may be.[/quote]
Rules were made to be broken...especially the "no mingling" and "no drinking" rules in CANCUN on SPRING BREAK taping the REAL WORLD no less! :)
I liked the rules (from a viewers point of view), since that tossed a HUGE monkey wrench into a season that everyone said would be filled with drinking, and I am surprised no one has been busted yet...I figured we would be watching an empty house by now! :)
[quote=Chrissytd;101326]You know when Joey suggested that Ayiiia go cut herself. It reminded me of Big Brother 9, when Joshua and Chelsia suggested Amanda go commit suicide just like her father.[/quote]
Harsh indeed!
But, to tell you the truth, I have experienced these sort of over the top and unnecessary insults too many times to count. It happens all the time. People blow their tops, as it's human nature. Sticks and stones. Forgive and forget.
[quote=sundream;101327]Look, don't start putting words into my mouth. I never said she was faking her problems. I think you need to take a deep breath.
Do I think Ayiiia is the instigator in the house? Yes. Do I think Joey goes over the line? Yes...but that is what happens when you start a lot of fights...things go overboard, and you can't fault Joey for reacting to Ayiiia when she is so mean to him in the first place.
And you can drop the "I wasn't there" routine, as we ALL were not there, but this forum is here for us to express our opinions on the show and the cast, and if we had it your way, this forum would just be a slobbering love fest over the cast members.[/quote]
I don't need to take a deep breath, I'm fine. The thing you said in the middle is what you should have said in the first place and let it go. This constant going on and on about it is silly. I already said I think people are entitled to their opinion. I've never said to you that you shouldn't have an opinion. Expressing your opinion is good, but when you express it over and over again and start patronizing people, like me, and it goes on and on then it just becomes pointless arguing. I respect your opinion, and I understand where you are coming from with it. I, personally, don't think it's a simple case of right and wrong and that there's one side who is all wrong or all right. They both made mistakes. I don't feel, however, that anyone should ask someone who they know has cut themselves if they have a knife. Even if there was a 99.9% chance Ayiiia was doing it for attention that .1% should have been enough to keep Joey from making those kinds of statements to her. And regardless of who started it it should have never escalated to the point it did. But it did. And now it's done.
[quote=yupitssara;101336]Expressing your opinion is good, but when you express it over and over again and start patronizing people, like me, and it goes on and on then it just becomes pointless arguing. I respect your opinion, and I understand where you are coming from with it. I, personally, don't think it's a simple case of right and wrong and that there's one side who is all wrong or all right.[/quote]
I'm not patronizing anyone, and I am only responding to posts, and accusing me of repeating myself is almost comical if you take into consideration that you are doing it yourself by restating an opinion that has been stated over and over and over.
My point is. When someone takes a punch at someone, it is called almost always called "assault and battery" and when someone punches them back, it almost always called "self defense". See what I mean?
That is my point. Joey is not the only criminal here...and if I have repeated that opinion in the exact same way each time, I am sorry, as it has only been to clarify myself after someone else "repeating" their opinion that Joey is a MONSTER...maybe there should be a rule that allows us all to only post one opinionated review per episode? ;)
[quote=SPK713;101236]It's ten episodes sundream, the best season in recent years and it's ten episodes!! :([/quote]
Don't be sad...Emilee just posted in the speculation thread that it is indeed TWELVE episodes! :)
[quote=sundream;101330]Yes it has happened before. This was not the first aftershow discussion. :)[/quote]
Sure, but not [I]for a while[/I] -- right?
BTW, is Derek just taking up space on the show?? He's no better than Bronne and the producers who were just sitting around and watching Joey be psychologically abusive to Ayiiia.
[quote=snarkaholic;101342]Sure, but not [I]for a while[/I] -- right? [/quote]
Nope, they for sure had one the first episode, and I believe there may have even one more (correct me somone if I am wrong) this season that I missed...this is AT LEAST the second after show discussion this season, if not THREE already.
[quote=RMD1;101154]OH! and this season beats the last 2 combined![/quote]
I think I may throw up - because this season is absolutely putrid. While Hollywood was more Vegas than old school Real World, it was alot better than this garbage. Brooklyn was not only a good season of the Real World but a good show period - so I guess there is no accounting for taste.
I just watched the episode and the after show now, and as someone who has had problems with depression and bipolar disorder, I can say that it sickens me to see how insensitive Joey, CJ, and a lot of the people on the mtv.com website were and are being about the entire situation. Being depressed, bipolar, suicidal--it's not a joke, and it's not something to be taken lightly. Cutting is never for attention, because honestly, would anyone ever inflict harm on themselves to get attention from others? Why would anyone put themselves through the physical and emotional pain of taking a sharp object to their wrists just to get someone to pay attention to them? She wasn't it doing to get pity or sympathy, because if she was trying to do that she would have left it at breaking the window or crying hysterically. She may have even thrown a punch.
I'm not saying that Ayiiia is blameless in the situation--she shouldn't have made the comment about CJ and she shouldn't have broken the window. But putting up signs with knives and making light of the fact that she cut herself? That's not cool. At all. You feel alone [i]all the time[/i] when you're depressed, even if someone's there for you. It's a very dark place to be and I applaud her for being as strong as she is to not go home. A lot of people with the same problems she had would not have been strong enough to stay. People don't really understand what it's like to be depressed enough to want to hurt yourself and I think that's where a lot of the controversy in this lies.
I can't put into words how irritated I was about Joey and CJ's attitudes during the whole ordeal. I understand that they don't like Ayiiia. It's fine to dislike someone, it's fine to even hate someone. I've felt both towards multiple people. But you don't taunt someone who obviously has a serious problem. When I was at the height of my depression I could snap at anyone at any given second and not even give it a second thought because I would just get so angry at the littlest thing, and this was without being taunted.
I have to say, I felt bad for Bronne in this episode because it was clear that he didn't agree with what Joey was doing, but because he's friends with Joey, he couldn't really disagree with him and say, "Man, that's f***ed up."
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