The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=fabulous788;195693]But still, if that takes you to the end of the game, then more power to you.[/QUOTE] I agree. If you've made it to the end, chances are you played a good game, either physically, strategically, socially, etc. With the exception of Casey, who made it far on most of her challenges simply BECAUSE of how much she sucked (or was lucky she packed light, in the case of FM1)

[QUOTE=Superboy;195672]I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.[/QUOTE] Kenny's made it to the Final Challenge all but once, has won 3/4 challenges & placed 2nd twice on Fresh Meat. He definitely is a great player.. I don't even like him, but I respect his game.

[QUOTE=TheKorean;195704]Kenny's made it to the Final Challenge all but once, has won 3/4 challenges & placed 2nd twice on Fresh Meat. He definitely is a great player.. I don't even like him, but I respect his game.[/QUOTE] He is a great political player, but what has he done in missions and elimination rounds to put him in the top ten all time? Do you honestly believe he outperformed competitors like Dan(RR5), Theo V, Timmy, and Brad just to name a few?

[QUOTE=challenger;195694]I really don't understand how every vevmo user said Abram is better than Derrick. I think it is really close, and statiscally Derrick does better by the numbers. [/QUOTE] Can you really count the Island, since Abram quit? And Derrick's wins were all mediocre challenges.. The Island & The Ruins... really?

[QUOTE=TheKorean;195704]Kenny's made it to the Final Challenge all but once, has won 3/4 challenges & placed 2nd twice on Fresh Meat. He definitely is a great player.. I don't even like him, but I respect his game.[/QUOTE] I have to agree with [B]theKorean[/B] Kenny is a very good competitor, he made it to every final challenge besides the Duel. If others think he gets a free ride to the end, that means he controls the game better than alot of competitors. If you don't think Kenny is in the Top 10, atleast give him Top 15. Because every challenge he been in, he performs very well in missions and makes it to the end (for the exception of the Duel). He is the best political player in challenges easily. and that is a fact.

[QUOTE=Superboy;195706]He is a great political player, but what has he done in missions and elimination rounds to put him in the top ten all time?[/QUOTE] Considering I don't keep a track record of who wins what lifesaver, what place they placed in each mission & how long they lasted under the water I couldn't tellk you that exactly. And missions & elimination rounds mean nothing to me. He went in 2 Exile's & won. He lost one Duel to Nehemiah, which was a damn puzzle. You have Evelyn, Rachel & Jodi in your Top 10 list. They've all lost elimination rounds & Rachel & Jodi both escaped Duel's during their season. What's your point? Because you cannot honestly tell me that Kenny hasn't proved himself.

[QUOTE=TheKorean;195707]Can you really count the Island, since Abram quit? And Derrick's wins were all mediocre challenges.. The Island & The Ruins... really?[/QUOTE] Yes, because it is a challenge, Mediocre? maybe yeah due to the fact that Derrick is a great political player.

[QUOTE]Considering I don't keep a track record of who wins what lifesaver, what place they placed in each mission & how long they lasted under the water I couldn't tellk you that exactly. [B]And missions & elimination rounds mean nothing to me.[/B] He went in 2 Exile's & won. He lost one Duel to Nehemiah, which was a damn puzzle.[/QUOTE] But they mean everything when discussing top competitors. And the exiles are team events, not individual, they don't mean much, look at Darrell on Fresh Meat 2. And if he's so "smart", why did he lose to a puzzle? There was a reason Nehemiah selected Kenny, because he knew he matched up with him and could beat him, and i'm sure we know by now that Nehemiah was a bottom competitor. [QUOTE] You have Evelyn, Rachel & Jodi in your Top 10 list. They've all lost elimination rounds & Rachel & Jodi both escaped Duel's during their season. What's your point? Because you cannot honestly tell me that Kenny hasn't proved himself. [/QUOTE] They lost elimination rounds, so have Landon, Derrick, and Wes, what's your point? They still have outperformed most females to earn a top ten spot. And Jodi and Rachel "escape" duels because they were the top females and were feared. They only thing that Kenny proved is that he is an average competitor at best, and is a wuss and a political player.

[QUOTE=Superboy;195713]But they mean everything when discussing top competitors. And the exiles are team events, not individual, they don't mean much, look at Darrell on Fresh Meat 2. And if he's so "smart", why did he lose to a puzzle? There was a reason Nehemiah selected Kenny, because he knew he matched up with him and could beat him, and i'm sure we know by now that Nehemiah was a bottom competitor. They lost elimination rounds, so have Landon, Derrick, and Wes. They still have outperformed most females to earn a top ten spot. And Jodi and Rachel "escape" duels because they were the top females and were feared.[/QUOTE] OK, well considering the fact that Kenny has only went into ONE elimination round, than I don't think that it should be that big of a deal. He lost in ascender. On The Duel, Every competitor loses in a Duel besides 2 people. So just because Kenny lost in that 1 duel, he doesn't deserve the respect for every other challenge he has competed in? Wes has won 5 or 6 exiles, and those were "team events" so should that be taken off his track record? No

[QUOTE] he doesn't deserve the respect for every other challenge he has competed in?[/QUOTE] What has he done in his other challenges expect for making alliances to get to the end? He did stepped up towards the end of the Inferno 3, but that's nothing to put him in the top ten all time. [QUOTE]Wes has won 5 or 6 exiles, and those were "team events" so should that be taken off his track record? No[/QUOTE] No, but they don't say [B]much[/B] about him as a individual competitor. His victory against Derrick and his ability to get lucky on challenges(like he did on Fresh Meat and especially the Duel) is what makes him a top competitor. What has Kenny ever won as an individual competitor (expect for those two Life Shields on the Inferno 3) without the help of an alliance? Nothing. He is not a top ten competitor all time, period.

[QUOTE=TheKorean;195719]OK, well considering the fact that Kenny has only went into ONE elimination round, than I don't think that it should be that big of a deal. He lost in ascender. On The Duel, Every competitor loses in a Duel besides 2 people. So just because Kenny lost in that 1 duel, he doesn't deserve the respect for every other challenge he has competed in? Wes has won 5 or 6 exiles, and those were "team events" so should that be taken off his track record? No[/QUOTE] In Wes' defense, he might as well have done those exiles by himself, Casey carried the flag a few times but Wes couldve used his mouth for that

[QUOTE=Superboy;195713]But they mean everything when discussing top competitors. And the exiles are team events, not individual, they don't mean much, look at Darrell on Fresh Meat 2. And if he's so "smart", why did he lose to a puzzle? There was a reason Nehemiah selected Kenny, because he knew he matched up with him and could beat him, and i'm sure we know by now that Nehemiah was a bottom competitor.[/QUOTE] Darrell said in FM1 that he wasn't good at puzzles, and Aviv was the puzzle solver on his team. Nehemiah actually isn't that weak; if you look at him while in challenges and even in elimination rounds that he's lost, he's done very well. I don't know why everyone thinks he's so weak.

[QUOTE=Youssarian;195736]Darrell said in FM1 that he wasn't good at puzzles, and Aviv was the puzzle solver on his team. [B]Nehemiah actually isn't that weak; if you look at him while in challenges and even in elimination rounds that he's lost, he's done very well. I don't know why everyone thinks he's so weak[/B].[/QUOTE] He beat Alex and Ryan, two skinny unathletic guys, and he beat that idiot Kenny in a puzzle, not impressive. He wasn't one of the weakest competitors, but still a bottom competitor. He was the 3rd best player behind Derek and Frank on the Gauntlet 3, and became the 4th best when MJ came......so you see, he is pretty much average at best, which is still bottom. I rank it like this: [B]Great[/B]-Top [B]Good[/B]-Middle [B]Average[/B]-Bottom [B]Bad[/B]- Really Bottom Nehemiah falls to average based on what he's done in all his challenges.

[QUOTE=Superboy;195683]I have the season too, and again, Shane was 3rd. And Timmy performances on his later challenges proves that he really was the best player on Road Rules on the Inferno 1. What has he ever done? He never won an individual elimination round, in fact he lost to Nehemiah on the Duel 1. Plus he never consistantly stood out as a top performer in missions. To put him over competitors like Dan(RR5), Theo V, and even Wes, Derrick, Brad, and Jamie is ridiculous. Frank has done more than Kenny has on the two challenges he was on.[/QUOTE] All the individual missions BEFORE shane lost in the inferno to ct. [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7217][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/7104c5218b9a9911.jpg[/img][/url] 1. Darrell 2. Shane 3. Timmy [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7218][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/7104c5218e7ea08b.jpg[/img][/url] 1. Timmy 2. Shane 3. Darrell [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7219][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/7104c5219000c490.jpg[/img][/url] 1. Shane 2. Darrell 3. Timmy [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7220][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/7104c5219166cafe.jpg[/img][/url] 1. Shane 2. Darrell 3. Timmy Shane seems to be the best out of them, though it's close.

[QUOTE=jhl182;195753]All the individual missions BEFORE shane lost in the inferno to ct. Shane seems to be the best out of them, though it's close.[/QUOTE] There were only two missions where he outpreformed both Timmy and Darrell. But when it all came down to it, he was not as strong of a competitor as Timmy or Darrell and the teams knew that. Miz and Abram got outperformed by people like Chris, Shawn, and Nick on the BOTS 2, but when it comes down to it, are still they better competitors than them? Yes they are. Top competitors get outperformed in missions, sometimes, it just isn't your mission. Again Shane was an awesome competitor, but he was good, not great, he was not a top competitor, he is in the middle of the pack with guys like James(RR9), Antoine, Nathan and Adam L.

[QUOTE=Superboy;195764]There were only two missions where he outpreformed both Timmy and Darrell. But when it all came down to it, he was not as strong of a competitor as Timmy or Darrell and the teams knew that. Miz and Abram got outperformed by people like Chris, Shawn, and Nick on the BOTS 2, but when it comes down to it, are still they better competitors than them? Yes they are. Top competitors get outperformed in missions, sometimes, it just isn't your mission.[/QUOTE] yeah and averages out that he did better. He didn't get last out of the 3 ever, his times were great. He was only in 1 challenge with them so you cant really say that they're better. Came down to what? I just gave you picture proof. In the later missions on the inferno, he didn't even do that great.

[QUOTE=jhl182;195774]yeah and averages out that he did better. He didn't get last out of the 3 ever, his times were great. [B]He was only in 1 challenge with them so you cant really say that they're better. Came down to what?[/B] I just gave you picture proof. In the later missions on the inferno, he didn't even do that great.[/QUOTE] When it comes down to who truely is the stronger player, and like I said, Timmy and Darrell's performances on their later challenges prove they are superior to Shane. Shane was really good on the Inferno, but even Holly stated Timmy and Darrell as being the two strongest. Also you didn't add the chicken suit mission, Darrell outpreformed Shane in that mission, so that is three for Shane and two for Darrell(two of those missions involved heights, which is Darrell's weakness), but Darrell was still the stronger player when it came down to it. The Real World team wouldn't vote him into the Inferno because they knew he would be hard to take out.

Say anything you want about Kenny, bottom line is he has won 3 challenges and finished 2nd on two others. He has won money on 5 out of the 7 challenges he has done. It doesn't matter if he dominated all the challenges, got lucky, whatever. It is hard to argue against him being in the top 10 or 15 all time with his track record of getting paid.

You've got to be pulling out all the stops to say someone is a great competitor because they play a "political game". Kenny is a decent competitor, that's it. He has never done anything to warrant him being in the top 10. I wouldn't even put him in the top 15.

[QUOTE=Goo Punch;196108] He has never done anything to warrant him being in the top 10. I wouldn't even put him in the top 15.[/QUOTE] Winning 3 challenges and finishing 2nd twice is not doing anything?

[QUOTE=MF41590;196219]Winning 3 challenges and finishing 2nd twice is not doing anything?[/QUOTE] What did he do during any of those challenges to to prove he was a good competitor? Absolutely nothing. He's been to one elimination round and lost and rarely ever finishes near the top during missions. He's a part of a big alliance every challenge where he never has to do anything. How does that make a strong competitor? He talks a big talk, but has never backed it up.

[QUOTE=MF41590;196087]Say anything you want about Kenny, bottom line is he has won 3 challenges and finished 2nd on two others. He has won money on 5 out of the 7 challenges he has done. It doesn't matter if he dominated all the challenges, got lucky, whatever. It is hard to argue against him being in the top 10 or 15 all time with his track record of getting paid.[/QUOTE] The only challenge he earned a win was on the Inferno 3, the others was due to his alliances with Derrick, Johnny, and Evan. He has done nothing as an individual competitor expect win two life shields on the Inferno 3. I can list 15 competitors who were all more impressive on their challenges than Kenny.

[QUOTE=Goo Punch;196243]What did he do during any of those challenges to to prove he was a good competitor? Absolutely nothing. He's been to one elimination round and lost and rarely ever finishes near the top during missions. He's a part of a big alliance every challenge where he never has to do anything. How does that make a strong competitor? He talks a big talk, but has never backed it up.[/QUOTE] I agree, Kenny as a competitor is average at best. Sure he won thrice and was the runner up twice but the pairs he beat in FM featured Casey, Jenn, and Jillian. and on FM 2 he had the best girl partner. Also, in the challenges that he one, the formats clearly favored him to the point where it almost seemed rigged (Island, Ruins). The only challenge that I could maybe give him credit for is Inferno 3 but even then he was the only guy on his team to not do an Inferno.

[QUOTE=Goo Punch;196243] He's a part of a big alliance every challenge where he never has to do anything. How does that make a strong competitor? He talks a big talk, but has never backed it up.[/QUOTE] It makes him a strong competitor because being in a big alliance is the key to winning challenges in this era of challenges. Back in the challenge days where your performance determined how you fared in the game, you had to be physically strong in the missions. If Kenny was a competitor on Battle of the Sexes, The Inferno, The Gauntlet, or any challenge up until the Gauntlet 2, then yea, he would probably be an early elimination every time because he is not physically strong. Luckily for Kenny, he is competing in an era where it is all about who you know and who you align yourself with. You do not necessarily need to be a physical monster like CT or Alton to win a challenge. So my point is that what makes him a strong competitor is that he knows how to play the game very well by aligning himself with the right people to get himself to the end and get paid.

[QUOTE=Superboy;196278]The only challenge he earned a win was on the Inferno 3, the others was due to his alliances with Derrick, Johnny, and Evan. He has done nothing as an individual competitor expect win two life shields on the Inferno 3. I can list 15 competitors who were all more impressive on their challenges than Kenny.[/QUOTE] This^^ Also, people always talk about an all-star Duel 3 cast... Kenny would be a fool to jump into this challenge with 9-12 proven male competitors. Heck, i could even see guys like Scott, Ryan (Brooklyn), Knight, and even Jerry beat Kenny or at least give him a run for his money.

[QUOTE=MF41590;196293]It makes him a strong competitor because being in a big alliance is the key to winning challenges in this era of challenges. So my point is that what makes him a strong competitor is that he knows how to play the game very well by aligning himself with the right people to get himself to the end and get paid.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make him a "strong competitor", it makes him a "free ride" competitor.

[QUOTE=Superboy;196278]The only challenge he earned a win was on the Inferno 3[/QUOTE] If you make it to the end and win the final challenge, you earn the win. And again, the debate about Kenny is from the question which says, top 10 challenge competitors, not top 10 physical challenge competitors

[QUOTE=MF41590;196293]It makes him a strong competitor because being in a big alliance is the key to winning challenges in this era of challenges. Back in the challenge days where your performance determined how you fared in the game, you had to be physically strong in the missions. If Kenny was a competitor on Battle of the Sexes, The Inferno, The Gauntlet, or any challenge up until the Gauntlet 2, then yea, he would probably be an early elimination every time because he is not physically strong. Luckily for Kenny, he is competing in an era where it is all about who you know and who you align yourself with. You do not necessarily need to be a physical monster like CT or Alton to win a challenge. So my point is that what makes him a strong competitor is that he knows how to play the game very well by aligning himself with the right people to get himself to the end and get paid.[/QUOTE] I think what it boils down to is that he only once had the luxury of being "a rookie". In FM he was with Tina (Not Mel or Johanna) a seasoned vet, in the Duel he had Evan, Johnny, and Derrick with him, where was his political game then? Every challenge he was on after this he literally was just friends with ppl and not from the Denver, VR, Hollywood, etc casts.

I say they bring in the best mother****ers that ever played the game, now that will be an EPIC challenge cast.

[QUOTE=Goo Punch;196243]What did he do during any of those challenges to to prove he was a good competitor? Absolutely nothing. He's been to one elimination round and lost and rarely ever finishes near the top during missions. He's a part of a big alliance every challenge where he never has to do anything. How does that make a strong competitor? He talks a big talk, but has never backed it up.[/QUOTE] I agree. Kenny has never proven anything really besides he is great at the political aspect of the game. Competition wise he hasnt proven anything besides that he can align himself with the right people to make it to the end. Kenny has never shown anything to warrant him being top 15. Fresh Meat: did well learned the politics from Tina Duel: Lost to Nehemiah Inferno 3: Did not go into elimination The Gauntlet 3: no elimination rounds & had support of Johnny & Evan Island: had support from many people & went into 1 faceoff against Abram & Tonya. Well of course Abram won and Kenny had enough support to stay arounf The Ruins: Had Johnny & Evan: no elimination and threw other people under the bus to keep himself out. FreshMeat 2: had enough support and basically participated in a race If you look at it Kenny is good at politics and throwing others under the bus. he has yet to participate on a head to head faceoff (ex a guantlet etc) Especially with a game like The Ruins there is a BIG chance to make a LOT of money for going into an elimination and personally I think he was too scared to do it. IMO not top 15 as far as competition