[QUOTE=cryssy19;226287]It seems as thought everyone she has "partnered with," she has done really really well. That says something. If you are using the point that she went with Abe and therefore it doesn't prove she's a good competitor, then what would you say about Johnny and Derrick who went together? They are NOT good competitors? Are you willing to say that? If you're using that measure, you have to use it for everyone. None of these challenges are done completely without partners or teams. The fact that she was a big part in the missions they won and the ones they almost one, proves she's a good competitor. The fact that she almost won with Kenny, proves she's a good competitor, (unless of course you're saying Kenny's that great).
I respect if you say she's a good competitor, but you wanna see more out of her. I think that's a fair statement, but to downplay her abilities and basically hint at her being unimpressive, I'd have to strongly disagree with that.[/QUOTE]
AMEN
[strike]instead of "haha"-ing and asking if im serious, im interested in hearing an example or a few of when laurel purposely intimidated someone or bullied them[/strike]
Instead of "haha"-ing and asking if I'm serious, I'm interested in hearing an example or a few of when Laurel purposely intimidated someone or bullied them.
[QUOTE=jflanz;226303][strike]instead of "haha"-ing and asking if im serious, im interested in hearing an example or a few of when laurel purposely intimidated someone or bullied them[/strike]
Instead of "haha"-ing and asking if I'm serious, I'm interested in hearing an example or a few of when Laurel purposely intimidated someone or bullied them.[/QUOTE]
She can tell you herself.
[url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/588140/laurels-apology.jhtml#id=1650307]Laurel's Apology | Video | MTV[/url]
Not 1 of the fresh meat girls liked her on that season because she was a ***** to them.
I am not going to debate this any longer when many people says she bullies them on the show, interviews, etc.
[QUOTE=RMD1;226312]She can tell you herself.
[url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/588140/laurels-apology.jhtml#id=1650307]Laurel's Apology | Video | MTV[/url]
Not 1 of the fresh meat girls liked her on that season because she was a ***** to them.
I am not going to debate this any longer when many people says she bullies them on the show, interviews, etc.[/QUOTE]
THe fresh meat girls said so many times that they didn't like her because she was cocky and standoffish, not because she bullied them. And as for the big easy situation, Derrick And Laurel both said on derrick's podcast that that was shown out of context, and that there was an argument going on beforehand. And everyone has thought the things she said to him, she just admitted it and is getting **** for it. also, many of the guys talk **** about the girls, and they are not criticized nearly as much
[QUOTE=jflanz;226315]THe fresh meat girls said so many times that they didn't like her because she was cocky and standoffish, not because she bullied them. And as for the big easy situation, Derrick And Laurel both said on derrick's podcast that that was shown out of context, and that there was an argument going on beforehand. And everyone has thought the things she said to him, she just admitted it and is getting **** for it. [B]also, many of the guys talk **** about the girls, and they are not criticized nearly as much[/B][/QUOTE]
Haha!! You are new here so you haven't seen the response some cast members (ie: Kenny, Evan...) get when they start with their "trimming the fat" talk. They get plenty of flak. They just aren't on a Challenge right now so no one feels like bringing those topics up.
It's nice that you feel the need to stick up for Laurel and all but you really are beating a dead horse. People said their piece a while ago when the Eric situation happened and most of us have no interest in starting it up again.
[QUOTE=RMD1;226312]She can tell you herself.
[url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/588140/laurels-apology.jhtml#id=1650307]Laurel's Apology | Video | MTV[/url]
Not 1 of the fresh meat girls liked her on that season because she was a ***** to them.
I am not going to debate this any longer when many people says she bullies them on the show, interviews, etc.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous. Have you never had a few too many to drink, then gotten into an argument with someone and regretted it? That's what the apology video was. Laurel didn't bully anyone and I challenge you to show something of cast members actually stating she bullied them. Not everyone will get along. That's part of the show: the conflicts. It just so happened she had the **** luck of the episode airing at a time when America had started making bullying a hot button issue.
Bullying, however, does include groups of people targeting a single person and saying hateful things to that person, such as what people have been doing to Laurel on the net, due to **** like this. Particularly with it so close to Christmas, this **** needs to die off and let it go. She's not a bully. She ****ed up, got drunk, said some mean things and made a dude cry.
[QUOTE=llcooljonas;226332]Particularly with it so close to Christmas, [B]this **** needs to die off and let it go.[/B] She's not a bully. She ****ed up, got drunk, said some mean things and made a dude cry.[/QUOTE]
You do know that you are helping to perpetuate the topic by engaging in the discussion instead of just ignoring it right?
Also just for future reference, as defined by the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
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Anyways,
Laurel hands down is one of the best competitors of the newer seasons. Even better than some of the guys. I'm looking forward to seeing her face-off against somebody by the name of Ev.
I guess I will never understand what Laurel's real problem with Cara Maria. CM for sure is not the best competitor, far from a strongest girl, but she is certainly better than a lot of others. There were 5 girls in Grey team. I would rank CM above Shauvon, ayiiia and even above Sarah. It's hard to compare CM with Laurel because Laurel is just a lot taller and stronger, and I believe size matters too.
Laurel repeatedly voted for CM over Shauvon (2nd challenge), over ayiiia (4th challenge). She always said CM is weak but she said ayiiia is weaker ... why not vote for ayiiia ? That doesn't make sense to me. If she is honest enough and just say "Look CM, I like ayiiia, I like Sarah. I vote for you" instead of "Oh, you're the weakest girl..." I would respect her a whole lot more. To me, she didn't have ball to admit to Abram when they were on the bus that she wanted to throw the challenge (even though Abram knew already). (She said "No, I couldn't throw it"). Clearly she didn't give a **** about Abram and CM, why didn't come out and just say it. She doesn't seem like a girl who's afraid of speaking her mind.
I used to like Laurel on FM2, even though I think she's a bit cocky. But I did like her. Eric's incident made me think twice about rooting for her but her constant judgement on CM put a huge question mark .... why why why ????
[QUOTE=tatertots;226335]You do know that you are helping to perpetuate the topic by engaging in the discussion instead of just ignoring it right?
Also just for future reference, as defined by the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
[url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=8478][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/15244d04603672f9a.png[/img][/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks girl :D
[QUOTE=REYYY2P;226337]Anyways,
Laurel hands down is one of the best competitors of the newer seasons. Even better than some of the guys. I'm looking forward to seeing her face-off against somebody by the name of Ev.[/QUOTE]
I think she has great potential.
I have just yet to see it. I hope she will prove me wrong.
I'm really disappointed of her in this Challenge. She made my days when I was watching Fresh meat 2, but now I really hope she won't back (Probably she will, but still).
[QUOTE=4realWORLD;226348]I'm really disappointed of her in this Challenge. She made my days when I was watching Fresh meat 2, but now I really hope she won't back (Probably she will, but still).[/QUOTE]
I totally agree. Yeah, she towers over the other girls, and she is strong and competitive, but she is still not someone I particularly care for. I was always taught to treat people the way you want to be treated. I guess I am just too old fashioned. Tearing into people just isn't my thing.
[QUOTE=RMD1;226312]She can tell you herself.
[url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/588140/laurels-apology.jhtml#id=1650307]Laurel's Apology | Video | MTV[/url]
[B]Not 1 of the fresh meat girls liked her on that season because she was a ***** to them.[/B]
I am not going to debate this any longer when many people says she bullies them on the show, interviews, etc.[/QUOTE]
You neglected to mention that all the veteran girls liked her. That could say something too if you're going that route. Plus she and Theresa are great friends now.
[QUOTE=jflanz;226315]THe fresh meat girls said so many times that they didn't like her because she was cocky and standoffish, not because she bullied them. And as for the big easy situation, Derrick And Laurel both said on derrick's podcast that that was shown out of context, and that there was an argument going on beforehand. And everyone has thought the things she said to him, she just admitted it and is getting **** for it. also, many of the guys talk **** about the girls, and they are not criticized nearly as much[/QUOTE]
I kinda agree with this. They didn't like her, but not because they said she was a bully or anything. I also agree, guys aren't as harshly judged. Brad basically did the same this season, even more and worse, and yet MANY MANY people still take his side and say cut him some slack and he's playing the game right etc, yet hate on Laurel for trying to play the game her way.
[QUOTE=Hamahami;226338]I guess I will never understand what Laurel's real problem with Cara Maria. CM for sure is not the best competitor, far from a strongest girl, but she is certainly better than a lot of others.[B] There were 5 girls in Grey team. I would rank CM above Shauvon, ayiiia and even above Sarah. It's hard to compare CM with Laurel because Laurel is just a lot taller and stronger, and I believe size matters too. [/B]
Laurel repeatedly voted for CM over Shauvon (2nd challenge), over ayiiia (4th challenge). She always said CM is weak but she said ayiiia is weaker ... why not vote for ayiiia ? That doesn't make sense to me. If she is honest enough and just say "Look CM, I like ayiiia, I like Sarah. I vote for you" instead of "Oh, you're the weakest girl..." I would respect her a whole lot more. To me, she didn't have ball to admit to Abram when they were on the bus that she wanted to throw the challenge (even though Abram knew already). (She said "No, I couldn't throw it"). Clearly she didn't give a **** about Abram and CM, why didn't come out and just say it. She doesn't seem like a girl who's afraid of speaking her mind.
I used to like Laurel on FM2, even though I think she's a bit cocky. But I did like her. Eric's incident made me think twice about rooting for her but her constant judgement on CM put a huge question mark .... why why why ????[/QUOTE]
You're kidding me? You'd honestly rank CM above Sarah? I mean, Sarah isn't great, but CM isn't either. I hear your point, but I honestly don't see what great thing CM has done. Even the Laurel and Sarah say that they had to try to pair her up with stronger people for her to do well on the challenges. Even Abe admitted that nothing is wrong with Sarah and Laurel's game and that CM would be the slowest if he had to guess (on Cutthroat). I actually like how Laurel is playing the game. She's putting the same "Trim the fat" strategy into the game, yet many people still like JEK but hate Laurel.
I agree with you on the Ayiiia point because I have no idea what Sarah and Laurel saw in Ayiiia over CM. (I guess it was the mental aspect).
But hey, many many people on this challenge are cocky, JEK, Laurel to some extent, Sarah, even Abe (in his big argument with Darell on G2???) when he was leaving. "I could kick any one of your a****" I see no one hating on Abe. Wes- "I'm arguably the best challenger on these things"- FM2. I don't see many people still hating on Wes. Ev also.
Anyone wants their team to be the strongest team, so I'm not gonna criticize Laurel for wanting that or even for being confident in her abilities.
That's just my view on it.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;226396]You neglected to mention that all the veteran girls liked her. That could say something too if you're going that route. Plus she and Theresa are great friends now.
I kinda agree with this. They didn't like her, but not because they said she was a bully or anything. I also agree, guys aren't as harshly judged. Brad basically did the same this season, even more and worse, and yet MANY MANY people still take his side and say cut him some slack and he's playing the game right etc, yet hate on Laurel for trying to play the game her way.
You're kidding me? You'd honestly rank CM above Sarah? I mean, Sarah isn't great, but CM isn't either. I hear your point, but I honestly don't see what great thing CM has done. Even the Laurel and Sarah say that they had to try to pair her up with stronger people for her to do well on the challenges. Even Abe admitted that nothing is wrong with Sarah and Laurel's game and that CM would be the slowest if he had to guess (on Cutthroat). I actually like how Laurel is playing the game. She's putting the same "Trim the fat" strategy into the game, yet many people still like JEK but hate Laurel.
I agree with you on the Ayiiia point because I have no idea what Sarah and Laurel saw in Ayiiia over CM. (I guess it was the mental aspect).
But hey, many many people on this challenge are cocky, JEK, Laurel to some extent, Sarah, even Abe (in his big argument with Darell on G2???) when he was leaving. "I could kick any one of your a****" I see no one hating on Abe. Wes- "I'm arguably the best challenger on these things"- FM2. I don't see many people still hating on Wes. Ev also.
Anyone wants their team to be the strongest team, so I'm not gonna criticize Laurel for wanting that or even for being confident in her abilities.
That's just my view on it.[/QUOTE]
Laurel said she wanted the strongest team possible, meaning herself Sarah and Abe making it to the end and losing everyone else.
[QUOTE=TheKorean;227256]Compared to the girls that they bring on challenges nowadays, she is.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that is a different story considering there are none.
I think that where some people are more tolerable without their friends, Laurel needs Kenny there for whatever reason. Mainly because I think he's the only person she'd listen to if she was getting out of hand.
I feel like I defended Laurel for no reason, the more MTV shows her, the more I feel wrong to have been on her side earlier. Maybe it's because I thought she was dating Emily (who is an awesome person) or maybe because she was cool with Ev (who I still think is chill) or maybe because now I know who she really is. Count me out to defend her any longer.
[QUOTE=producer88;227442]Laurel is HBIC...no girl will dare to step up to her.[/QUOTE]
Dude so many girls would and did. She isn't HBIC.
I WILL give her props on the final tonight. She did very well. Still nothing special.
I can't think of 1 girl personally, and she is special. I get you don't like her, but even the cast knows she's possibly the strongest girl, if not one of the top ever!
[QUOTE=producer88;227454][B]I can't think of 1 girl personally[/B], and she is special. I get you don't like her, but even the cast knows she's possibly the strongest girl, if not one of the top ever![/QUOTE]
I can. Evelyn would crush Laurel, believe me.
She has way more muscle than Laurel, I'm pretty sure of that. I mean did you see Kellyanne vs. Evelyn on the Ruins? Even when Kellyanne(who is also a strong competitor) tried her hardest to pull Evelyn off the block, she just stood there without even trying. I'd put my money on Ev every day.
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