The Challenge: Battle of the Seasons - Discussion (Spoilers)

Breakdown of the teams: St. Thomas We dont know much about them yet but they seem like a pretty solid team. I think Laura will be the one to hold this team back though. Many people seem to be overestimating her ability and reaching for things like..."but she is a cheerleader" to justify her athletic ability. Being a cheerleader does not constitue being an athlete. Robb looks like a big strong dude, I can see him being the leader. Marie played soccer in college and to play soccer you have to be an athlete she will do well. Trey looks skinny with muscles...I'm afraid he will be a let down, but that is TBD. San Diego This team seems to be underrated by everybody. Zach is a strong dude and can physically take any of the men this season, he will just have to keep his cool if one of his team members is underperforming. Frank is the weak link on this team, he has the opportunity to make or break this team. If he can keep his cool and not go bonkers this team will sail passed the other teams. Sam is hard to figure out, on paper...she should do well, but I'm not so sure. Ashley I think is underestimated. She is a runner and she seems decently athletic. Las Vegas Alton is a great physical competitor, his downfall will be the mental and strategic aspects. Lets be honest, Alton isnt the brightest pumpkin in the pumpkin patch. Dustin is a decent competitor, not the best, but not the worst. Nany will be another Theresa, a decent competitor but nothing that stands out. Trishelle in the earlier challenges was a good competitor. She got the shaft because of the whole Mike/Coral thing. I think she can do well if she mellows her drama/attitude. NOLA Knight is an athlete, he will lead the team. His weakness, I believe will be Jemmye and stamina. Preston will probably be the worst guy there. I guess I shouldnt judge him til I see him perform but I have a feeling he will cost his team. Jemmye has a big bark, but like Coral, I think her bite will be less than what she would like. She could drag her team down. McKenzie is a surfer and swimmer, that takes athleticism and balance. She will do just fine, it's her teammates that will lose this for her. Cancun The most overestimated team by far so far by everyone. CJ gave a terrible performance on FM2, and he had a decent girl by his side. He looks like a good competitor, but dont judge a book by its cover. Derek is also very weak. Jasmine, although her fans dont want to believe it, is a weak competitor and is only good for drama tv, the yelling and fighting. She annoys me. Jonna is overhyped. She really hasnt done anything physically dominating. I think her repuation of Endurance when she was 13 gives people false hope that she is dominating. I think this team will suck. Brooklyn Chet is not a bad competitor. He should do well with the missions. JD, I think if he keeps his head on straight wouldnt be that bad of an athlete as well. Sarah, I believe, is the best girl in the cast. Physically and mentally she has the other girls beat (yes even KA). Devyn is their wildcard. If she can do a decent job then Brooklyn might not be so weak like everyone thinks. Sydney Another overestimated team in my opinion. People keep saying Isaac will be around for awhile and he will do so well. I'm not sure if you all missed the Duel 2 but he was the weakest male there, even worst than Ryan, Nick and Davis. He wont do well. Dunbar hasnt proven himself. He is all talk and no action, people are now saying he is great, I think, just because they want Kelly Anne to win. Kelly Anne though, is a great female competitor. She is this team. Ashli was weak on the Island. She gave up, she really needs to work hard if this team has any chance to win. Austin An underestimated team. Wes is a good competitor if he tries. Wes is an actor on these. He plays up the bad guy role for entertainment and TV purposes. I see him trying to take over the hero role since JEK and CT arent around. If Danny can control his temper and stop trying so hard, he wont do so bad. Lacey is hard to predict, she looks terrible, but she might surprise us. Melinda is probably the most underrated female player ever. She had the weakest male partner FM1 and they still did well in the missions. It was being an Austin member that got her sent home. Gauntlet 3 the castmembers all said she was their 2nd strongest girl behind Tori. The only ones who didnt believe it were Frank/Jill, she lost to Tori, who was a good competitor. Cutthroat she lost to Emily who is a beast. I think Melinda has a lot to offer and could be a darkhorse female competitor. This team is my favorite team, and I think if they play their cards right could come out on top.

[QUOTE=Jenspiffer;306879]Based on V1Man's suggestion to think outside the box in terms of format and his hinting that MTV may try to minimize the opportunity for alliances to affect the outcome, here is my 2 cents regarding how this could work: I think they will be in teams of 4 based on their season (or location, in the case of Vegas) and all teams will compete against one another, as a team, in missions. The two worst performing teams from each mission will have to respectively nominate a male and female from each of their teams to face off in the elimination. (So, for example, Cancun and NOLA are the two worst teams in the first mission, and Cancun chooses to send in Derek and Jonna, while NOLA sends in Preston and McKenzie. Derek and Preston face off, while Jonna and McKenzie also face off.) The winners obviously come back to rejoin their teams, while the losers go home. The missions and especially the final will be designed to favor teams with more people on them, so it's to each team's benefit to have all their players last as long as possible. As a result, the losing teams will have to decide whether it's better to send a stronger player in with a better chance of returning, or to send a weaker player in, taking the risk they may be down a man/woman the rest of the way. This still allows for plenty of internal team conflict, as they debate who should go in, but alliances won't really do them any good, especially not inter-team alliances. With the two worst teams automatically having to send people in, that also takes away the whole power couple thing. There would be money to bank for winning a mission, so there would still be a reason to fight for first place each week. When a team loses all of its females or males, then I guess the next worst team that does in fact still have a member of that *** left would also be involved in the elimination. I feel like that problem could have mathematically happened in past challenges (Ruins and Cutthroat come to mind), but somehow was avoided until the final, so maybe they'd be willing to take that risk again? [B]This is probably all very wrong[/B], but figured I'd provide some food for thought regarding a way it could be done without alliances/power couples nonetheless![/QUOTE] I wouldn't say that. It seems like right now that is most realistic format. However the part about when you said "When a team loses all of its females or males, then I guess the next worst team that does in fact still have a member of that *** left would also be involved in the elimination" there might be another way they could figure something out.

[QUOTE=TippyTipTip;306883]Ok so Zach is hands down the Strongest, but if you count all around Athleticism then that would be Alton. Zach will think he's CT 2.0 and try to intimidate people but it wont work and he will be sent packing early. Wes is probably going to end up running this entire Season, since there is no JEK or CT. Frank will be going early because of the way he acts. [B]Probably the entire St. Thomas team will go early as well because they are the New Guys.[/B] Cancun= Underdogs. New Orleans= The Worst Team out of all 8 Alton, Trishelle, Kellyanne, Isaac and Dunbar will make it far. Those are my thoughts.[/QUOTE] I would say that the entire cast picks off San Diego before St. Thomas for a handful of reasons. 1. San Diego has the potential to be very strong. Zach seems like a good competitor, Frank seems athletic, same as Ashley, however, Sam will be their weakest link. 2. It doesn't really seem like many of the vets like anyone from that cast. 3. They're rookies. St. Thomas is newer than San Diego in terms of being on television, but this all their first challenge and St. Thomas seems a lot more likeable than Zach, Ashley, Frank, and Sam.

My Rankings: 1. Vegas- Alton is the best Male Competitor. Dustin actually did pretty well on Exes before he was hurt, so i expect Good from him. Trishelle is also good and should not hold back. Nany is 50/50 for me not sure how well she will do. Strongest: Alton Smartest: Trishelle Dramatic: Nany Underdog: Dustin Overall Weak Link: Nany 2. Austin- Wes should and will Run this season, it's almost like he's King and he's the Strongest Competitor on his team. Lacey will be terrible physically but strong mentally. Danny will be alright in challenges, but he's a loose cannon. Melinda should be good as well. Strongest: Wes Smartest: Lacey Dramatic: Danny Underdog: Melinda Overall Weak Link: Lacey 3. San Diego- Zach aka The Next CT will be Strong but the Gays wont like him. Frank will be too Dramatic but i could see him doing well in challenges. Ashley is underestimated because she goes to the gym and works out. Sam seems to be alright physically, but she does seem smart. Strongest: Zach Smartest: Sam Dramatic: Frank Underdog: Ashley Overall Weak Link: Frank 4. Sydney- Dunbar is strong and smart but he hasnt really lived up to his actions. Isaac seems to be in better shape then last time and could see him doing good. KellyAnne is the best Girl on this season and is the strongest. Ashli is probably the weakest and most whiniest girl here. Strongest: KellyAnne Smartest: Dunbar Dramatic: Ashli Underdog: Isaac Overall Weak Link: Ashli 5. St. Thomas- don't know much about them but they seem very athletic. Trey is a small dude but is very built for a guy his size, he will for sure be underestimated. Robb is "6-6" and played Basketball, seems very much in shape, too. Laura is very smart but i'm not sure how athletic she is. Marie is one of the ahletic girls here, so she should have no problems with challenges, it's just here wild party attitude that will get to her. Strongest: Robb Smartest: Laura Dramatic: Marie Underdog: Trey Overall Weak Link: Laura 6. Brooklyn- i feel Chet will do Ok, he's not that bad at challenges. Sarah is the Second Strongest Girl there, behind KellyAnne and she's also very smart. JD can do well as long as he keeps his head in it. Devyn is 50/50 but i would say she doesnt look that well. Strongest: Chet Smartest: Sarah Dramatic: Devyn Underdog: JD Overall Weak Link: Devyn 7. Cancun- I think CJ will do better than last time, but not as good as the others. Derek is another 50/50 for me. Jasmine is suprisingly a strong competitor but is a Ticking Time Bomb. Jonna also should do well and this team is not that Smart but if anything, Jonna is the smartest. Strongest: CJ Smartest: Jonna Dramatic: Jasmine Underdog: Derek Overall Weak Link: Derek 8. New Orleans- Ryan is the only Legitimate Competitor on the team. Preston is way too Dramatic. Jemmye doesnt seem good but she might surprise me. Mckenzie is too much party and wildness. Strongest: Ryan Smartest: Ryan Dramatic: Preston Underdog: Jemmye Overall Weak Link(s): Preston, Jemmye and Mckenzie

I am so happy New Orleans is finally being represented on a challenge. That has to be my favorite recent Real World season, and probably one of my favorite seasons of all time... I love them all. As for the rest of the cast: it's nice and fresh. Looking forward to it, I'm happy to see Alton/Trishelle/Lacey/Ashli/Devyn. :O

Austin is a hard team to rank IMO. If they can put all the drama aside they're a top 3 team, and have potential to be #1 if Wes plays the political game correctly. If they're not able to get along then I see them being one of the middle teams.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;306914]I wouldn't say that. It seems like right now that is most realistic format. However the part about when you said "When a team loses all of its females or males, then I guess the next worst team that does in fact still have a member of that *** left would also be involved in the elimination" there might be another way they could figure something out. However, there is this scenario that I can't really see how it will work: For example: Jemmye, Preston, and McKenzie are all eliminated and Knight is the lone solider for New Orleans, how will be compete in the challenges unless their individual?[/QUOTE] Thanks for validating that my idea wasn't so off the wall! :) I agree that there may be another way to figure out what happens when a team loses all its males or females, but I couldn't come up with anything yet. As for your scenario, I guess I was thinking the daily challenges would be things that could be completed alone, but would be more beneficial with more team members (though weak team members could potentially slow the team down). Since all clues point to MTV changing the daily challenges to be less dangerous and more "old school," I think this would work (as it would on standard team challenges when one team has way more players than the other - ala Ruins). In the case of a challenge where each member of a team has to take turns doing something, that would just mean more turns per person the fewer team members there are left. OR going with a different thought, perhaps the challenges are designed for M/F pairs (2 for each team), and the weakest 2 pairs face off in elimination. If one pair from a season wins the daily challenge, however, maybe the other pair is automatically safe even if they place last. This would involve much less internal team drama (other than deciding who is paired with whom for the challenge), but solves the singular team member problem, and also still doesn't allow alliances to come into play (and teams benefit by working together to create the strongest pairs so they can have the most ppl left for the final). Either way, I enjoy reading everyone's opinions on the cast, though I wonder how much social game is really going to matter on this one, aside from within your own team. I think working together is going to be key, but not necessarily having to get along with anyone outside of your team of 4, so when I look at the teams, I'm evaluating more on strength/smarts/cohesiveness, and not on who will be "targeted" b/c it sounds like maybe MTV is trying to prevent that this time via a new format.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;306912]Breakdown of the teams: St. Thomas We dont know much about them yet but they seem like a pretty solid team. I think [B]Laura will be the one to hold this team back though. Many people seem to be overestimating her ability and reaching for things like..."but she is a cheerleader" to justify her athletic ability. Being a cheerleader does not constitue being an athlete.[/B] Robb looks like a big strong dude, I can see him being the leader. Marie played soccer in college and to play soccer you have to be an athlete she will do well. Trey looks skinny with muscles...I'm afraid he will be a let down, but that is TBD. [/QUOTE] Depends on the squad IMO, some cheerleaders need to be very coordinated and somewhat athletic for the more acrobatic routines. But regardless of that, it says that Laura did pole vault in college, so at the very least she should have some upper body strength, as well as be somewhat fast.

Initially? I absolutely hated the cast - until I scrolled down and saw the teams of fours...and then when the possibilities and ideas started settling in, I warmed up to the idea - and actually began to like it. While the usual suspects are absolutely missing from this challenge, there's definitely a great opportunities to build new rivalries, new champions, and overall usher in some new faces into the challenge world and maybe start heading towards a new generation of frequent challengers (pending the show actually continues somewhat long-term). If the rookies are smart, they will absolutely form an alliance - but as we've seen in the past, that will never happen. The major alliance I see possibly forming could be between [B]Team Austin and Team Sydney[/B]. Featuring two actual winners of the challenge in Wes and Dunbar, I can easily see Wes wanting to take control of the game with JEK out of the way and Dunbar absolutely going along with it - finally being able to have a bit of power in this game. Wes' relationship with Kelly Anne could very well actually strengthen the bond between the two teams to get them far, because other than Wes on his team and Dunbar/Kelly Anne - none of the other members have even NEARLY proved themselves yet that they're a threat athletically. In terms of who I see as the best teams, [B]Team Vegas[/B] immediately stands out - with Alton as a key player who's name alone is just a major threat to any team. Dustin proved to be a decent player, who possibly should walk around the house wearing knee pads if he plans on doing anything else silly. Trishelle is questionable, as things have changed a lot since she was last on in terms of the difficulty of the challenge but she too has name in the game, and Nany - who's tall, has an athletic build, and can turn it up when she wants to. The camaraderie on this team, not-withstanding any BS, should be amazing. [B]Team Cancun [/B]is another solid team believe it or not. Not sure how things are going with Jonna and Jasmine, but they've proved they can work together on Rivals and succeed - and you have a solid team of four individuals who get along and can work together. Jasmine's temper can get the best of her, but she knows it's all about the money. Another major threat is [B]Team San Diego[/B], given they have Zach and Ashli on their team, as well as Frank. I've only watched about 20 minutes of their season really, but they're gonna be as strong as their weakest player - which looks like it might be Sam. However, at the same time - they're all still rookies, who have to build a social game, which none of them at this point have. No clue about St. Thomas, but if I had to rank the teams (excluding them) based on athleticism/social game, I'd say: 01. Las Vegas 02. San Diego 03. Austin 04. Cancun 05. Sydney 06. Brooklyn 07. New Orleans

I'm so excited for this challenge! Love the cast! Regarding the format I was thinking maybe it could be a partially individual challenge. It doesn't really seem likely but it would be possible I suppose. What I was thinking is the day-challenges as well as the eliminations would be played individually, but whoever wins the day-challenge wins safety for the entire team, so nobody from that team can go into the elimination. I guess the male and female loser from the day-challenge would go into the elimination (unless the loser is from the safe day, in which case either the second last player would go in or the loser would get to chose somebody to replace him/her) and possibly the winning team (as a team) would get to pick the other male and female to go in to elimination. Or they could possible do a voting process for the elimination, where you have to vote as a team. This way, people would compete individually and would go home individually. There would still be a team element with some strategy, but it would not be a big deal if a team only has one player left. That person could just continue individually. It don't think this is a likely scenario, since MTV seems to like pairs/team-challenges, just putting the idea out there...

[QUOTE=Sanne;306924]I'm so excited for this challenge! Love the cast! Regarding the format I was thinking maybe it could be a partially individual challenge. It doesn't really seem likely but it would be possible I suppose. What I was thinking is the day-challenges as well as the eliminations would be played individually, but whoever wins the day-challenge wins safety for the entire team, so nobody from that team can go into the elimination. I guess the male and female loser from the day-challenge would go into the elimination (unless the loser is from the safe day, in which case either the second last player would go in or the loser would get to chose somebody to replace him/her) and possibly the winning team (as a team) would get to pick the other male and female to go in to elimination. Or they could possible do a voting process for the elimination, where you have to vote as a team. This way, people would compete individually and would go home individually. There would still be a team element with some strategy, but it would not be a big deal if a team only has one player left. That person could just continue individually. It don't think this is a likely scenario, since MTV seems to like pairs/team-challenges, just putting the idea out there...[/QUOTE] Just using your post here to launch a couple of observations about the format: The symmetry of two men and two women per season, which we all seem to be calling teams, is a fact we shouldn't likely ignore. It can't be random; the probability is simply off the charts that it is not the key to the format. That said, I stopped at 25 trying to list the potential scenarios that could be used. Each one I wrote down would require either something different than we've seen on a challenge before, haven't seen in a long, long time like individual or team cumulative empirical scoring, or would require a repeat of what I would call cheap theatrics by production to pull off. In short, since no one format immediately appears more logical to me than any other, I have no clue (other than 2m + 2w appear to equal a team). Working from that premise alone, then the challenge may be about either building up the teams or breaking them down -- or both. Will there be a winning team with all teams winning or losing together, or will there be some attrition of players along the way who fall prey to individual eliminations? The latter approach becomes complicated because of the team and gender imbalance that is created by individual. Individual departures also either -- unpredictably -- either strengthen team unity or impact it negatively. The approach also provides a greater challenge to production in providing balanced competitions that do not favor one set of cast abilities over another. Just proofreading the above makes me wonder how I identified 25 scenarios last night without self-medicating. ~~ PS #1, I find some of your team and individual assessments to be very interesting and entertaining. After the Brooklyn season, I've probably only watched about 8 episodes of RW with the majority being the Vegas season, so most of the new cast members I know I've never seen on TV, only having met them through work or charity events. ~~ [CENTER] [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13760][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/1174fc9dee8ddeef.jpg[/img][/url][/CENTER] PS #2, I'm always interested in what people do post-RW. How many of you knew, for example, that Devyn was in a relationship with Josh Freeman at the time of his selection as Tampa Bay's #1 draft pic and was on stage with him in NY when he was selected. I've heard some stories about her after the Brooklyn season that tell me we know almost nothing about her from the Brooklyn video. She may have far more social and physical game than we know.

I think it's hard to predict how the newbies will perform. All they really do on the Real World is go out drinking. Its hard to tell how someone will perform in competitions based on some footage of him/her pounding drinks in a bar. You can't really judge somebody's mental strength, eye-hand coordination, balance, dexterity, etc. by his/her looks. Competitions aren't a beauty contest. Some of the newbs might surprise us.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;306915]I would say that the entire cast picks off San Diego before St. Thomas for a handful of reasons. 1. San Diego has the potential to be very strong. Zach seems like a good competitor, Frank seems athletic, same as Ashley, however, Sam will be their weakest link. 2. It doesn't really seem like many of the vets like anyone from that cast. 3. They're rookies. St. Thomas is newer than San Diego in terms of being on television, but this all their first challenge and St. Thomas seems a lot more likeable than Zach, Ashley, Frank, and Sam.[/QUOTE] I agree. it's very similar to rivals where everyone went down fighting to get rid of CT and Adam before the final, and Mike and Leroy skated by untouched because of it.

I don't have much to say about the newbies because, I don't know any of them. I don't know how well they will perform or anything like that but, I can say that they will be targeted just as any of the other rookies are. Even though some of these cast members haven't been around for a while, the St. Thomas kids will definetly have a bullseye on their backs. I'm very excited about the cast though. I love CJ. I feel like he really didn't get a chance to show what he could really do. Jasmine is the best form of entertainment the viewers are going to get. That chick is crazy and fun to watch. I'm really excited to see Alton and Trishelle. They are from one of my favorite Real World Seasons. I'm not so intersted in Jonna, Zach, or Ashley. They are all stuck up and they think that they are above other people. The Melinda and Danny thing is going to be interesting. I assume we will be exposed to a lot of drama from those two. I could care less about the rest of the cast. Should be a good one though.

I like that this challenge gives a chance for the new people to shine. I have a feeling that this challenge will be golden.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;306912]Breakdown of the teams: Cancun The most overestimated team by far so far by everyone. CJ gave a terrible performance on FM2, and he had a decent girl by his side. He looks like a good competitor, but dont judge a book by its cover. Derek is also very weak. Jasmine, although her fans dont want to believe it, is a weak competitor and is only good for drama tv, the yelling and fighting. She annoys me. Jonna is overhyped. She really hasnt done anything physically dominating. I think her repuation of Endurance when she was 13 gives people false hope that she is dominating. I think this team will suck. [/QUOTE] I think you are underestimating Cancun a lot. You have to realize on FM2 CJ threw the elimination against Landon so that he could learn the course forwards and backwards. Derek also showed a lot of fight in his elimination round on Cutthroat and I think will surprise some people. Jonna isn't an amazing competitor, but with the female cast that they have, she is a solid competitor. Jasmine is someone that people like to have around the house which goes a long way and will probably make up for her shortcomings in athleticism.

[QUOTE=gamer73;306934]I like that this challenge gives a chance for the new people to shine. On the past ones the shows are centered around JEK,Wes,CT,Jenn,Paula,etc. I have a feeling that this challenge will be golden.[/QUOTE] That's what I am afraid of, kinda... What I mean is that they have 22 rookies on this challenge with no real alpha male who kinda puts them in their place and let them know that they have to prove themselves to be "worthy" before they can behave like they are the newest sh** around the block :). And NO Wes is not really one, at least not anymore...he would just love to be one...and Alton is way too chill and a bit outdated. MTV/BMP wants fresh faces for the challenges and this challenge is practically like a 6 weeks probation period where it's gonna be determined who will and will not become a part of the "challenge family"...it's safe to say that not everybody is going to make the cut. And here comes "my issue" with this situation...with these new "fun" challenges... the people who cause drama will probably be the ones we are going to see in the future. Therefore, I fully expect most of these people to do their "best" to get recognized, i.e. cause unnecessary drama (a lá Theresa on Cutthroat...and let's face it she would have never been asked to come back, if it hadn't been for her fake "psycho" drama with Camila)

[QUOTE=V1man;306929]PS #2, I'm always interested in what people do post-RW. How many of you knew, for example, that Devyn was in a relationship with Josh Freeman at the time of his selection as Tampa Bay's #1 draft pic and was on stage with him in NY when he was selected. I've heard some stories about her after the Brooklyn season that tell me we know almost nothing about her from the Brooklyn video. She may have far more social and physical game than we know.[/QUOTE] I hope she truly does have a bit more of a physical game than she leads on to, because Sarah and Chet will absolutely shut her out of ANY discussion if she doesn't. At this point, you've gotta believe that Sarah wants to win, and ever since Fresh Meat II (excluding Cut Throat) - her partner has failed her each and every time. This is just assuming it's the format that was hinted at anyway.

I feel like this season is gonna have even more "exes" tension than the last one! lol between Danny/Melinda, Jemmye/Knight, and Wes/Kellyanne

What are the chances Lacey may be in a bit of a Jo Gauntlet 2 situation and not really have a clue what she is getting into? Or would someone from the Austin cast have been in her ear about the inner workings of the challenge?

[QUOTE=BluffingJ;306949]What are the chances Lacey may be in a bit of a Jo Gauntlet 2 situation and not really have a clue what she is getting into? Or would someone from the Austin cast have been in her ear about the inner workings of the challenge?[/QUOTE] I don't know enough about Lacey (or anything really) to say for sure, but I imagine she's a little more in the loop with these people than Jo was with the Gauntlet 2 cast. Jo hadn't been on TV in like 10 years at that time. And from what I gather, I think Lacey kept in touch with her cast for the most part. Plus, she was at that RW Awards and stuff. It's hard to say who knows who when they aren't on TV, but I imagine she's not completely out of the loop.

[QUOTE=Meelz;306944]I hope she truly does have a bit more of a physical game than she leads on to, because Sarah and Chet will absolutely shut her out of ANY discussion if she doesn't. At this point, you've gotta believe that Sarah wants to win, and ever since Fresh Meat II (excluding Cut Throat) - her partner has failed her each and every time. This is just assuming it's the format that was hinted at anyway.[/QUOTE] Assuming that it's probably been over a month since "Brooklyn" was cast, I'd expect that all four of them were talking to each other daily about strategy, tactics and training. It's likely not in Sarah's interest to block Devyn from anything since she and some other players have close mutual friends away from MTV (Vegas 1, Austin, Cancun). Having Devyn defect emotionally from "Brooklyn" and openly support a strong team might be disastrous for Sarah's game. Still, that might make for really interesting TV drama.

Here is another picture of TJ in Patagonia... [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13761][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/14fca65edeb5ae.png[/img][/url] Can we put this to rest and move on? I have stayed out of this thread except for one exchange, but clearly my presence is needed. No, they are not in Patagonia, so let's stop posting the TJ tweet over and over and over. We do know the location of the cast from our initial tipster at JFK. Being we strongly believe that sharing the location of the cast could create a security liability, we will not disclose their location until they return. That is all I have to say on the matter.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;306963]We do know the location of the cast from our initial tipster at JFK. Being we strongly believe that sharing the location of the cast could create a security liability, we will not disclose their location until they return. [/QUOTE] Not even the country. In fact where ever they were going from JFK was probably just a connection flight anyway.

Cast is amazing. Honestly, for the first time in Challenge history, I don't even care who wins. I'm just so happy to see so many fresh people and it's going to be very interesting to watch how things will be changing. Good luck for rookies.

Over all this cast was a huge surprise:)

The first elimination isn't usually for a week after they leave right?

If it is a battle of the Seasons pairs of four type of thing, I would say the early favorite is Las Vegas or Austin.

I like how we are for sure getting 3 new winners

[QUOTE=Npresh24;306981]I like how we are for sure getting 3 new winners[/QUOTE] We are? Since we don't know the format, it could be just two winners. (Personally, I hope it's a season/team that wins, but there is no evidence for it yet.)