[QUOTE=AnneK;368176]If they had gone to Evelyn and explained to her what they wanted to do I think she would have been on board with it. They didn't give her that consideration, they blindsided her. How can you not see that?[/QUOTE]
LOL--you think Ev would have been fine going against KellyAnne if they told her first--LMAO. Funniest **** thing I've ever heard about the challenge. In the 9th elimination maybe she buys that--not the second.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;368178]LOL--you think Ev would have been fine going against KellyAnne if they told her first--LMAO. Funniest **** thing I've ever heard about the challenge. In the 9th elimination maybe she buys that--not the second.[/QUOTE]
It goes back to my earlier post about why Evelyn left the game. She wasn't being treated with dignity and respect. She was not only the strongest female on the team but one of, if not the strongest, females to ever appear on the challenges and they treated her like a pawn. Targeting Kelly Anne was personal, Johanna didn't like her because of the Wes situation. It wasn't strategic to treat a valued team member the way they treated Evelyn, THAT is why she quit.
I'm not going to post on this topic anymore because this is the Final Desitination thread and I think we're about to be chastised by the mods. Nice chatting with you though. I enjoyed the debate.
next week looks interesting, theyre eating durian, I wonder if they'll like it (probably not lol)some ppl really like it, theres this show called bizarre foods and this guy goes around to different countries and eats weird **** and this guy isnt bothered by anything, raw *********, rotten fish but the one thing I saw him not like was the durian lol that and animal fat
[QUOTE=V1man;368100]Complete BS. BMP was already in "protect our *** " mode and TJ played right along with it.[/QUOTE]
What? I was talking about what johnny mosely said
[QUOTE=boncat23;368136]Quit picking on TJ..... He's a great person[/QUOTE]
Ha, ha, OK, it you say so (not)
I know too much about him to ever agree that he is even a good person.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;368209]What? I was talking about what johnny mosely said[/QUOTE]
And it is my position that what Moseley said was BS, and an intentional shot at Tonya directly from Moseley's employers.
[QUOTE=AnneK;368179]It goes back to my earlier post about why Evelyn left the game. She wasn't being treated with dignity and respect. She was not only the strongest female on the team but one of, if not the strongest, females to ever appear on the challenges and they treated her like a pawn. Targeting Kelly Anne was personal, Johanna didn't like her because of the Wes situation. It wasn't strategic to treat a valued team member the way they treated Evelyn, THAT is why she quit.
I'm not going to post on this topic anymore because this is the Final Desitination thread and I think we're about to be chastised by the mods. Nice chatting with you though. I enjoyed the debate.[/QUOTE]
The only point you missed above is that Susie was the mastermind behind it all. What Susie didn't take in to account was that Evelyn took her personal principles into the game, while Susie, who otherwise is a highly ethical person, always leaves hers at home. It was one of Susie's greater challenge miscalculations.
[QUOTE=V1man;368225]The only point you missed above is that Susie was the mastermind behind it all. What Susie didn't take in to account was that Evelyn took her personal principles into the game, while Susie, who otherwise is a highly ethical person, always leaves hers at home. It was one of Susie's greater challenge miscalculations.[/QUOTE]
I admire Susie's intellect but she is sorely lacking when it comes to principles. The "I hate Tonya because" game comes to mind. I mean really, who plays a game like that?
Davis Paula and Cara do.
The worst is the speech she gave Jenn when she was going against her in the inferno How can you be mad about this when people are dieing".
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;368231]Davis Paula and Cara do.
The worst is the speech she gave Jenn when she was going against her in the inferno How can you be mad about this when people are dieing".[/QUOTE]
It was a rhetorical question but thanks for reminding me who she was playing with. :untroubled:
Suzie has had some good lines, I'll give her that. She's also passive-aggressive royalty.
Anyway back on track I'd love to see Sarah & Trishell in this final bc if Trishell is a good swimmer then they would make it to the second half. Both of them are good at puzzles and I feel like Sarah would be great in the final
[QUOTE=AnneK;368230]I admire Susie's intellect but she is sorely lacking when it comes to principles. The "I hate Tonya because" game comes to mind. I mean really, who plays a game like that?[/QUOTE]
This is just laughable/desperate at this point
[QUOTE=kvm1977;368178]LOL--you think Ev would have been fine going against KellyAnne if they told her first--LMAO. Funniest **** thing I've ever heard about the challenge. In the 9th elimination maybe she buys that--not the second.[/QUOTE]
Evelyn would not have been fine with it at first hearing, but perhaps she would have been convinced that it was the right team tactic. (That is Evelyn's point of view, so it not exactly the "Funniest **** thing.") Further, a discussion between Susie and Evelyn would have likely been the most intellectual one to have occurred during any of the challenges, not that many at BMP or the rest of the cast would have understood it.
TJ was **** luckly Evelyn didn't turn her anger toward him at the end, but that, too, could have been great television.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;368240]This is just laughable/desperate at this point[/QUOTE]
Or from another perspective, it's really just insulting to AnneK to suggest her comments are laughable and desperate.
From another perspective, it appears you have no other rejoinder to her, so it looks like bullying.
I'm sure you intended neither of the above, but there you have it.
[QUOTE=V1man;368242]Evelyn would not have been fine with it at first hearing, but perhaps she would have been convinced that it was the right team tactic. (That is Evelyn's point of view, so it not exactly the "Funniest **** thing.") Further, a discussion between Susie and Evelyn would have likely been the most intellectual one to have occurred during any of the challenges, not that many at BMP or the rest of the cast would have understood it.
TJ was **** luckly Evelyn didn't turn her anger toward him at the end, but that, too, could have been great television.[/QUOTE]
Don't believe for a second Ev would have been fine with volunteering to go in against KellyAnne for the second elimination...elimination 8 or so --then yes.
[QUOTE=V1man;368243]Or from another perspective, it's really just insulting to AnneK to suggest her comments are laughable and desperate.
From another perspective, it appears you have no other rejoinder to her, so it looks like bullying.
I'm sure you intended neither of the above, but there you have it.[/QUOTE]
Come on now...at some point you can't reason with people. Would you like to take the time to defend Susie against someone that simply has an agenda and isn't willing to look at things logically? I tried repeatedly last night to deal with only logic--I now understand that AnneK isn't looking for a rational discussion. If you'd like to defend Susie against those comments great. I simply expressed my opinion because trying to discuss it won't work. The comments were laughable and desperate because there's a lack of a valid argument on her side.
Bullying is the most overused word in the universe right now. It's almost as pathetic as attacking a cast member (who is a member of Vevmo) because you are desperate to be right
[QUOTE=kvm1977;368246]Come on now...at some point you can't reason with people. Would you like to take the time to defend Susie against someone that simply has an agenda and isn't willing to look at things logically? I tried repeatedly last night to deal with only logica--I now understand that AnneK isn't looking for a rational discussion. If you'd like to defend Susie against those comment great. I simply expressed my opinion because trying to discuss it won't work. The comments were laughable and desperate because there's a lack of a valid argument on her side.
Bullying is the most overused word in the universe right now. It's almost as pathetic as attacking a cast member (who is a member of Vevmo) because you are desperate to me right[/QUOTE]
I expected more from an attorney, otherwise I would not have bothered to comment. My bad...
[QUOTE=V1man;368251]I expected more from an attorney, otherwise I would not have bothered to comment. My bad...[/QUOTE]
Fair enough...doesn't alter what I stated is accurate
[QUOTE=kvm1977;368240]This is just laughable/desperate at this point[/QUOTE]
Care to explain why exactly? I just do not see anything "desperate" about Anne's post, or inaccurate for that matter, really....
You know I like you, but you do come on quite strong sometimes.
[QUOTE=V1man;368224]And it is my position that what Moseley said was BS, and an intentional shot at Tonya directly from Moseley's employers.[/QUOTE]
I was a little confused because you said TJ instead of johnny Moseley earlier that's all.
[QUOTE=LexBlair;368256]Care to explain why exactly? I just do not see anything "desperate" about Anne's post, or inaccurate for that matter, really....
You know I like you, but you do come on quite strong sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I'm aware of how I come across. That's just who I am. I think her comments regarding Susie were completely inaccurate and a desperate attempt to attack her personally because she knows her intended argument of "TJ hates women" is dead wrong or at least can't be supported by only what has aired. Susie is there to play a game--simple. Her actions during the game have no indication of who she is as a person. As an intelligent person she can leave that at home. You have to be able to separate "reality" from "a reality show". See CT. Evelyn is a great person and a great competitor but Susie's plan was perfect. Evelyn had every right to be ****** and TJ had every right to call her out for throwing the competition. Evelyn did what she felt was best--in the end that's all that matters. No regrets and don't worry about what others think.
As far as the "I hate Tonya game"...that's just life. Unfortunately people don't like other people...and they're bored on these challenges. They come up with stupid games. These things exist at most schools throughout the country and, more scary, in most work places. Most people aren't "genuinely nice"...few are but most aren't and there's no reason to pretend that stuff like that doesn't exist. "Who plays that game" (paraphrasing)...most people is the answer. Some just aren't willing to admit it. I think I've encounter maybe a handful of people that wouldn't partake in something like that in a "challenge environment".
What gets me in trouble is I can remove emotion from anything...some people can't see that.
[QUOTE=skyhigh;368143]There is a huge difference between quitting in a meaningless challenge vs what Big E or Trishelle did. Tell me how many guys have quit as bad as Trishelle did? Not one guy quitter other than Big E had such a terrible quit. At least Big E quit in the middle of a difficult challenge unlike spoiled brat Trishelle.
TJ did admonish CT/Wes by penalizing them in the next
challenge. Thats how much he hates quitters.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of which was the reason for Trishellle walking out ever revealed? Because to the casual looker, she walked out just because she couldn't hack it and got told by Aneesa.
And yeah, at least Easy quit after, IIRC, hanging upside down and being dunked in water.
[QUOTE=RealCynic;368265]
And yeah, at least Easy quit after, IIRC, hanging upside down and being dunked in water.[/QUOTE]
I don't like Trishelle but I think that Big Easy's was worse. He didn't quit because the elimination was too hard, they were winning and he didn't want to send Devyn home. On top of that he backdoored Brandon and had him sent in and sent home even though it was his fault they lost that challenge. You screw a teammate to just quit the next chance you get? Weak.
Had he just gone in and gone home the time before I think Brandon and Camila would've probably been a pretty decent two person team.
[QUOTE=JL81790;368268]I don't like Trishelle but I think that Big Easy's was worse. He didn't quit because the elimination was too hard, they were winning and he didn't want to send Devyn home. On top of that he backdoored Brandon and had him sent in and sent home even though it was his fault they lost that challenge. You screw a teammate to just quit the next chance you get? Weak.
[B]Had he just gone in and gone home the time before I think Brandon and Camila would've probably been a pretty decent two person team.[/QUOTE]
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Unless if it's a swimming challenge... they'll both drown
Brandon and Camila probably would have dominated in eliminations. Remember cuthroart. Big Easy should never be casted again. After gaunlet he should have not been asked back. He seems like a cool guy and all but not meant for the challenges.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;368270][/B]
Unless if it's a swimming challenge... they'll both drown[/QUOTE]
No Camila is a lifeguard which was why her and Her partner won that swimming challenge.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;368270][/B]
Unless if it's a swimming challenge... they'll both drown[/QUOTE]
True for Brandon but Camila is a very good swimmer. Of the girls on Rivals 2 I'd probably only take Sarah over her for swimming.
[QUOTE=JL81790;368276]True for Brandon but Camila is a very good swimmer. Of the girls on Rivals 2 I'd probably only take Sarah over her for swimming.[/QUOTE]
actually the only time they had the opportunity to go "against" each-other, Camila won by a considerable margin :encouragement: They are the best female swimmers of the current cast though...
[QUOTE=LexBlair;368277]actually the only time they had the opportunity to go "against" each-other, Camila won by a considerable margin :encouragement: They are the best female swimmers of the current cast though...[/QUOTE]
When was this? I wouldn't be surprised but I'm trying to think when they both were still on a challenge for a swimming challenge. The only ones I can think of are the surfboard one on cutthroat when Camila fell off and the zip line on Rivals 1 when Sarah had Katelynne.
On a more on-topic note:
We at least know now that the reason why CM was crying in this shot is Johnny...(she was wearing the same clothes during the bus-scene on the S'''-show)
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a girl crying..... should have figured that JB had something to do with it..
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