[QUOTE=kvm1977;413020]Are you trying to prove you can't read?
I explained Free Agents and clearly referenced the "elimination" in which she solved a puzzle
Please learn to READ. My three year old can[/QUOTE]
Sorry that was my bad. I skipped over that as I'm multitasking right now. Congrats to your 3 year old.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;413019]Your post
"Zach stated on Derrick's podcast, while he was dating Jonna I believe, that Nany is a great competitor despite how he feels about her personally. No mention of Jonna whatsoever in this ideal team of his. Other people he added to this team were Ashlee Feldman, Laura(because she was a gymnast and athlete), and Jemmye or Marie. Jonna didn't make the cut."
You never said Ashley K--please get yous story straight. Right now you're desperate. You even wrongly claimed he was still with Jonna at this time. If you want to make an argument make one that I can't smash in 5 seconds[/QUOTE]
Ohhh the horror that I forgot Ashley K. It doesn't change the fact that Jonna was absent while Nany was not. Seems to me like you're the desperate one since you're trying to clench at every straw you can even when it has nothing to do with Nany or Jonna.
Again, doesn't matter whether or not Zach was broken up with her. He was also broken up with Ashley K and disliked Nany.
If ashley K(san diego 2 season) ever does another show, she will have no trouble getting alliances if any of ct/diem/frank/zach's friends or acquiantances are on it which let's be honest they will, not to mention she is really hot, not to mention she works out and has endurance..
[QUOTE=hannamez8;413023]Sorry that was my bad. I skipped over that as I'm multitasking right now. Congrats to your 3 year old.[/QUOTE]
We're all multi-tasking. But at least you owned that
[QUOTE=v123;413025]Ohhh the horror that I forgot Ashley K. It doesn't change the fact that Jonna was absent while Nany was not. Seems to me like you're the desperate one since you're trying to clench at every straw you can even when it has nothing to do with Nany or Jonna.
Again, doesn't matter whether or not Zach was broken up with her. He was also broken up with Ashley K and disliked Nany.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea why you think this was a Nany-Jonna debate.
Disliking someone and them being your most recent ex is a factor whether you're willing to own that or not.
It is really odd you just forgot Ashley K but then tried to play it off as you said it.
kvm, you are clearly butt hurt that cast mates prefer Nany over Jonna despite all your rationalizations. I hope you don't lose sleep tonight over this fact.
Guys Zach never disliked Nany, he thought they were cool and Nany went off on him that he talks smaack about her behind her back and plays nice to her face. But that was after seasons during rivals 2. Frank hated Nany, Zach was never involved in that to my recollection
[QUOTE=v123;413030]kvm, you are clearly butt hurt that cast mates prefer Nany over Jonna despite all your rationalizations. I hope you don't lose sleep tonight over this fact.[/QUOTE]
Nany over Jonna is very possible. I have no problem with anyone taking that stance. I've even stated Nany would be better in most eliminations. If you want to argue with me be accurate. You weren't
[QUOTE=kvm1977;413022]Ashley K > Jonna. No one's arguing that and he just won a challenge with her.
Jonna's break up was recent. That will impact things. You did lie and say they were together at the time. Get your story straight.
You clearly making stuff up as you go. Notice you didn't include Ashley originally. You're a joke at this point. I just wish you were funny.[/QUOTE]
Actually I would take Jonna over Ashley K.
[QUOTE=v123;413037]Ashley K can't solve a puzzle to save her life.[/QUOTE]
But she's stronger and arguably the best endurance girl we've seen
I mean, if it is all about puzzles Jonna is ahead of most people :)
[QUOTE=kvm1977;412935] I gave Dustin & Jordan credit in the past when it was earned. Jonna's consistently done well even year after year yet some people can't acknowledge that. You figure out why.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes people just rub us the wrong way and it has nothing to do with jealousy. Overall, I like Jonna. I didn't like how she pulled the pity card on BOTS2, but I like her on these Challenges and I would love to see what she's capable of in a final. I respect that some people don't like Jonna. It doesn't necessarily come down to jealousy. I'm not even sure why jealousy is factor.
[QUOTE=jojorules;412951]Is she that much more likeable though? i see her doing almost the same stuff as Jonna does, and she also has the "bad *****" persona that jonna doesn't try to do ...I mean she is more liked but i don't see quite why really. People say ct is talked about with rose colored glasses, how about nany. i don't mind nany either don't get me wrong, but it's kind of ridiculous when you look at the jonna hatred[/QUOTE]
I prefer Jonna to Nany 100%.
I hate this bad ***** thing that some have going on. It's BS.
Jonna is never creating stupid, drunken drama.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;413038]But she's stronger and arguably the best endurance girl we've seen
I mean, if it is all about puzzles Jonna is ahead of most people :)[/QUOTE]
Would have to see more of her to know whether she is stronger and has better endurance than Jonna. She is a bit bigger than Jonna so that may give her a little more strength. She didn't impress in the oil pit. Most people would have tossed Jasmine out of that oil pit in a second. Her win over Jonna in the last elimination round was more attributed to the difference in ability between Frank and Derek.
Having only endurance in a final challenge is great, but it's not more valuable than somebody who has endurance AND can solve puzzles or carry heavy things(stretcher). The Cutthroat, BOTExes, Rivals finals have all required much more endurance than the BOTSeasons one.
[QUOTE=v123;413051]Would have to see more of her to know whether she is stronger and has better endurance than Jonna. She is a bit bigger than Jonna so that may give her a little more strength. She didn't impress in the oil pit. Most people would have tossed Jasmine out of that oil pit in a second. Her win over Jonna in the last elimination round was more attributed to the difference in ability between Frank and Derek.
Having only endurance in a final challenge is great, but it's not more valuable than somebody who has endurance AND can solve puzzles or carry heavy things(stretcher).[/QUOTE]
Going with everything you just said here...why wouldn't you rather have Jonna on your team over Nany? Neither are going to do well with a stretcher and Jonna is the only one that's going to solve a puzzle
Honestly, it is a shame Jonna/Nany didn't make the finals in Rivals 2...we would have learned a lot about both of them
[QUOTE=jojorules;413031]Guys Zach never disliked Nany, he thought they were cool and Nany went off on him that he talks smaack about her behind her back and plays nice to her face. But that was after seasons during rivals 2. Frank hated Nany, Zach was never involved in that to my recollection[/QUOTE]
No, it was during seasons. Zach would talk **** about Nany and Jonna would know but wouldn't defend her friend. Frank was probably involved since Zach did talk **** about her with somebody and Frank was Nany's number 1 hater and they're both on the same team.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;413076]Why would he include Jonna on his dream rookie team if she was a consider a veteran after that season?[/QUOTE]
Which is also a great point. Thanks Pink
[QUOTE=kvm1977;413053]Going with everything you just said here...why wouldn't you rather have Jonna on your team over Nany? Neither are going to do well with a stretcher and Jonna is the only one that's going to solve a puzzle
Honestly, it is a shame Jonna/Nany didn't make the finals in Rivals 2...we would have learned a lot about both of them[/QUOTE]
Neither would do the best with carrying a stretcher, rolling a tire, digging a cave, etc. but I do think Nany would do a bit better than Jonna in those strength requiring aspects and a bit is better than nothing.
Personally, from what I've seen on my TV screen, they are about even TBH. Nany is more brawn while Jonna is more brains. It just depends on which one happens to be more important during that challenge. I'm fairly certain that Nany is a better swimmer as well, which certainly can't be ignored. I personally saw them as fairly even but I can't deny the fact that I am constantly hearing other cast mates speak highly of Nany, which leads me to believe that I'm not seeing the full potential of Nany's abilities on TV, and that is someting I can't ignore.
Running endurance is a diminishing return attribute in a team or partner challenges where you're only as fast as the weakest link. At best, if you can run a marathon pace then you are able to carry your own weight and set the best pace for your team. Setting a pace is helpful but not invaluable compared to other things because if your partner can't keep up then they can't keep up, period. Carrying your own weight is obviously important, but you don't need to have the best endurance of all time to do that. Physical attributes that are transferable and able to make tasks easier for your entire team are more important such as carrying more weight so your partner can conserve more energy, or solving puzzles so that everyone can benefit.
We've seen time and time again that the decision maker in a lot of these finales is in your ability to solve puzzles. If you have a reasonable pace and are able to solve the puzzles for those advantages, then you will more than likely beat somebody who has a better pace that is disabled with an inability to solve puzzles. Darrell and Aviv carrying 100lb less because of the puzzles, were never going to lose.
In an individual finale, having the best endurance helps because you actually get to go at that pace. In a partner finale, the best pace matters little because you're at the mercy of your teammate's speed anyways. If Jonna ran the final on team San Diego instead of Ashley Kelsey, guarantee they would have beaten Brooklyn by more than they did. They were going at Sam's pace regardless of whether Jonna or Ashley K. was there, the difference is that Jonna would have been able to help out on the puzzles that allowed Brooklyn to pass them.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;413076]Why would he include Jonna on his dream rookie team if she was a consider a veteran after that season?[/QUOTE]
He also picked Dustin and CJ(I think)...both of them had done the same amount of challenges as Jonna at that time...................
[QUOTE=jojorules;412965]Very true....I think that's why Diem has seen a couple and Jonna hasn't. They have a very similar build really, neither one is going to win a physical elimination unless vs a jasmine type..Diem and ct were so on and off that she was able to keep his alliance and his network where as jonna can't keep zach's so that makes a big difference too...Jonna has to form her own where diem always had ct's and her own to align with. Makes it much easier[/QUOTE]
Diem already won a physical elimination, but you could blame that on Jenn's injury
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;413082]Diem already won a physical elimination, but you could blame that on Jenn's injury[/QUOTE]
No she beat Jenn fair and square! And Jenn picked her!
Diem won fair and square but it wasn't because of Diem's physicality. It had more to do with her Diem's strategy of letting Jenn lose her balance and allowing her to fall off herself.
[QUOTE=proceed;412862]I think it's because it doesn't fall in line with the "free agents", everyone gets their own vote theme. Apparently they threatened to throw Devyn and Zach in if they didn't vote for the same person. This is why they should never have two winners. They should have made it a true individual challenge wth all of the guys and girls going against each other, with one winner sending a guy and girl in.[/QUOTE]
Well all they have to do is just have the guys only vote for the guys and the girls vote only for the girls. I think it's stupid that both have to vote a guy and a girl. That messes with the Whole Free Agents thing.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;413088]Well all they have to do is just have the guys only vote for the guys and the girls vote only for the girls. I think it's stupid that both have to vote a guy and a girl. That messes with the Whole Free Agents thing.[/QUOTE]
But those guys/girls can be on their team or partnered with them.
I would have been if guys only voted for guys and girls only voted for girls but you can't alter it when it is an individual challenge. There needs to be consistency.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;413160]But those guys/girls can be on their team or partnered with them.
I would have been if guys only voted for guys and girls only voted for girls but you can't alter it when it is an individual challenge. There needs to be consistency.[/QUOTE]
So then they can just vote for someone who isn't on their team then.
And who said anything about consistency? That should have been the rule from the start.
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