Candice got kinda screwed, but she was always gonna be bad socially imo. Howard screwed himself by trying to plant his vote on Jessie and Helen screwed herself over lol.
Candice got kinda screwed, but she was always gonna be bad socially imo. Howard screwed himself by trying to plant his vote on Jessie and Helen screwed herself over lol.
I still think Candice deserves a second chance but you're right about Howard and Helen.
Candice got kinda screwed, but she was always gonna be bad socially imo. Howard screwed himself by trying to plant his vote on Jessie and Helen screwed herself over lol.
I still think Candice deserves a second chance but you're right about Howard and Helen.
She does to an extent, the bed flipping really broke her down and made her team up with Howard when it was bad for her game. She was surprisingly good at strategy too, she just would annoy people sometimes
Candice got kinda screwed, but she was always gonna be bad socially imo. Howard screwed himself by trying to plant his vote on Jessie and Helen screwed herself over lol.
I still think Candice deserves a second chance but you're right about Howard and Helen.
She does to an extent, the bed flipping really broke her down and made her team up with Howard when it was bad for her game. She was surprisingly good at strategy too, she just would annoy people sometimes
Uhh yeah I'm lost on your definites. Amber was one of the most boring people they've ever cast, Kristen was both dumb and boring, Wil was just annoying and catty, and so was Annie. Some musts for me are Laura (BB11), Ronnie (BB11), Kaitlin (BB15), Brian (BB10), Jodi (BB14), and Brittany (BB16). Also yeah no to ever seeing Frank again, gross. For people who jury, I'd like: Andy, Amanda, Ian, Derrick, Nicole (BB16), Hayden, Russell, Kevin, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis, Renny, Jessica, Eric and so on.
I'm only talking about pre-jury. Da'Vonne, Nick, Dominic, Jodi, Kaitlin, Cassi and Annie are definites for me. Amber was the strongest girl on BB16 before she was evicted, plus she was overshadowed by Caleb's obsession. Kristen is memorable for her showmance with Hayden the winner of BB12 and her huge fight (floaters grab a life vest) against Rachel the winner of BB13. Wil is annoying and catty but entertainment. Annie was the saboteur and didn't get a chance to play a regular game, plus she was the first boot so didn't get a chance to play. Also, she caused a lot of drama in just the one week with fighting with Brendan and Rachel and Britney.
Laura to me was just a boring model, I wouldn't mind seeing her again but wouldn't be mad if she wasn't cast. You have to remember that a lot of these people were evicted early on so didn't get a chance to show their full potential. Kaitlin was catty and *****y but I would love to see her again. I think she had a lot of potential. I'd like to see Brian again. Definitely Jodi since she got screwed. Ronnie I could give or take and Brittany I would like to see play again.
Andy, Ian and Derrick won, so no thank you. I'd take Ian and Derrick again if you're including winners but definitely don't want to see Andy every again. I'd take Nicole, Zach and Donny from BB16 over anyone else who made jury. Frank I absolutley hated and would be happy never seeing again, but he was a comp beast and a huge threat. Plus you need someone to hate or the season will be boring if you love everyone. Same with Amanda but I would love to have her as the ***** on an All-Star season. Everyone else I pretty much agree with. Definitely Hayden, Russell, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis and Eric.
I'd love to see Britney Haynes and Daniele Donato play on All-Stars even though they've played twice already.
I would like to see Candice, Helen, or Howard get a second chance because they all had no shot on their season with that racist clique.
Howard was kind of too boring for me. Candice I would definitley like to see get a second chance. Helen im iffy about. I thought she was a strong social player at first, but then she became annoying and wouldn't make any moves which cost her and her alliance (Elissa, Jessie and Candice the game).
Uhh yeah I'm lost on your definites. Amber was one of the most boring people they've ever cast, Kristen was both dumb and boring, Wil was just annoying and catty, and so was Annie. Some musts for me are Laura (BB11), Ronnie (BB11), Kaitlin (BB15), Brian (BB10), Jodi (BB14), and Brittany (BB16). Also yeah no to ever seeing Frank again, gross. For people who jury, I'd like: Andy, Amanda, Ian, Derrick, Nicole (BB16), Hayden, Russell, Kevin, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis, Renny, Jessica, Eric and so on.
I'm only talking about pre-jury. Da'Vonne, Nick, Dominic, Jodi, Kaitlin, Cassi and Annie are definites for me. Amber was the strongest girl on BB16 before she was evicted, plus she was overshadowed by Caleb's obsession. Kristen is memorable for her showmance with Hayden the winner of BB12 and her huge fight (floaters grab a life vest) against Rachel the winner of BB13. Wil is annoying and catty but entertainment. Annie was the saboteur and didn't get a chance to play a regular game, plus she was the first boot so didn't get a chance to play. Also, she caused a lot of drama in just the one week with fighting with Brendan and Rachel and Britney.
Laura to me was just a boring model, I wouldn't mind seeing her again but wouldn't be mad if she wasn't cast. You have to remember that a lot of these people were evicted early on so didn't get a chance to show their full potential. Kaitlin was catty and *****y but I would love to see her again. I think she had a lot of potential. I'd like to see Brian again. Definitely Jodi since she got screwed. Ronnie I could give or take and Brittany I would like to see play again.
Andy, Ian and Derrick won, so no thank you. I'd take Ian and Derrick again if you're including winners but definitely don't want to see Andy every again. I'd take Nicole, Zach and Donny from BB16 over anyone else who made jury. Frank I absolutley hated and would be happy never seeing again, but he was a comp beast and a huge threat. Plus you need someone to hate or the season will be boring if you love everyone. Same with Amanda but I would love to have her as the ***** on an All-Star season. Everyone else I pretty much agree with. Definitely Hayden, Russell, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis and Eric.
I'd love to see Britney Haynes and Daniele Donato play on All-Stars even though they've played twice already.
Right but what good is being strong if your as boring as Amber was? Yeah that's more that she (Kristen) is associated with entertaining people than actually being entertaining. Eh I found Wil just annoying and catty, but not entertaining.
Laura actually was a big surprise and reminded me of Janelle. She seemed dumb, but understood the game a lot and was an early favorite. She was a solid competitor too and fiery. I agree with Kaitlin, girl was impressive in her few HOH comps and honestly seemed like someone who meshed with the wrong people. She would have genuine and nice life conversations with Judd and such.
I don't care if they won honestly, I mean I don't see the big deal? They are great players and Ian was a great character too. Yeah, but I love to hate Amanda, Frank is just annoying and obnoxious. Amanda also was a lot more capable than Frank too which made her more complex as she had reasons to be arrogant.
I'd love to see those two too, though I find Daniele to be overrated (mostly by kvm) and Britney to be underrated as players.
Uhh yeah I'm lost on your definites. Amber was one of the most boring people they've ever cast, Kristen was both dumb and boring, Wil was just annoying and catty, and so was Annie. Some musts for me are Laura (BB11), Ronnie (BB11), Kaitlin (BB15), Brian (BB10), Jodi (BB14), and Brittany (BB16). Also yeah no to ever seeing Frank again, gross. For people who jury, I'd like: Andy, Amanda, Ian, Derrick, Nicole (BB16), Hayden, Russell, Kevin, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis, Renny, Jessica, Eric and so on.
I'm only talking about pre-jury. Da'Vonne, Nick, Dominic, Jodi, Kaitlin, Cassi and Annie are definites for me. Amber was the strongest girl on BB16 before she was evicted, plus she was overshadowed by Caleb's obsession. Kristen is memorable for her showmance with Hayden the winner of BB12 and her huge fight (floaters grab a life vest) against Rachel the winner of BB13. Wil is annoying and catty but entertainment. Annie was the saboteur and didn't get a chance to play a regular game, plus she was the first boot so didn't get a chance to play. Also, she caused a lot of drama in just the one week with fighting with Brendan and Rachel and Britney.
Laura to me was just a boring model, I wouldn't mind seeing her again but wouldn't be mad if she wasn't cast. You have to remember that a lot of these people were evicted early on so didn't get a chance to show their full potential. Kaitlin was catty and *****y but I would love to see her again. I think she had a lot of potential. I'd like to see Brian again. Definitely Jodi since she got screwed. Ronnie I could give or take and Brittany I would like to see play again.
Andy, Ian and Derrick won, so no thank you. I'd take Ian and Derrick again if you're including winners but definitely don't want to see Andy every again. I'd take Nicole, Zach and Donny from BB16 over anyone else who made jury. Frank I absolutley hated and would be happy never seeing again, but he was a comp beast and a huge threat. Plus you need someone to hate or the season will be boring if you love everyone. Same with Amanda but I would love to have her as the ***** on an All-Star season. Everyone else I pretty much agree with. Definitely Hayden, Russell, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis and Eric.
I'd love to see Britney Haynes and Daniele Donato play on All-Stars even though they've played twice already.
Right but what good is being strong if your as boring as Amber was? Yeah that's more that she (Kristen) is associated with entertaining people than actually being entertaining. Eh I found Wil just annoying and catty, but not entertaining. Laura actually was a big surprise and reminded me of Janelle. She seemed dumb, but understood the game a lot and was an early favorite. She was a solid competitor too and fiery. I agree with Kaitlin, girl was impressive in her few HOH comps and honestly seemed like someone who meshed with the wrong people. She would have genuine and nice life conversations with Judd and such. I don't care if they won honestly, I mean I don't see the big deal? They are great players and Ian was a great character too. Yeah, but I love to hate Amanda, Frank is just annoying and obnoxious. Amanda also was a lot more capable than Frank too which made her more complex as she had reasons to be arrogant. I'd love to see those two too, though I find Daniele to be overrated (mostly by kvm) and Britney to be underrated as players.
She's not overrated by me or anyone else. She's one of the most knowledgable people to play the game...it is just unfortunate she overplayed to try to get rid of Jeff realizing he was a problem for her game. The biggest probblem for both Jeff & Daniele was they didn't get along and Jeff was too dumb to understand it didn't matter.
Britney and Dani are great players...underrated by many
I believe you've called her one of the best runner ups which is questionable when she lost to someone who tortured people on a day to day basis and was generally not liked by her houseguests the first time and was perceieved as whiney. Her second time she was fun to watch, but **** she screwed up massively.
Britney is a good player, not sure about great. She just is always someone who people are gonna wanna align with and is very social savvy. She makes the bb14 engame if the funeral doesn't happen. She has natural skills that make for a good player.
I don't know how many of you guys have seen bbcanada but, personally I'd love to have a takeover where arissa (the host) comes on stage and tell julie she's bringing a Canadian game changing twist to the U.S. And have an instant triple eviction the day after the two HOHs are crowned. 4 nominees, no veto, 1 person stays. That would definitely shake things up in the house. Plus the instant and triple eviction episodes in BBCAN3 were super intense. The feedsters wouldn't have feeds for a few days, cause it's taped instead of live with no studio audience during the eviction.
I believe you've called her one of the best runner ups which is questionable when she lost to someone who tortured people on a day to day basis and was generally not liked by her houseguests the first time and was perceieved as whiney. Her second time she was fun to watch, but **** she screwed up massively.
Britney is a good player, not sure about great. She just is always someone who people are gonna wanna align with and is very social savvy. She makes the bb14 engame if the funeral doesn't happen. She has natural skills that make for a good player.
Dani is, without question, one of the best runner-ups. Her losing to **** was America's doing not a fair jury-ask Eric. Dani Reyes was clearly better. Dan Gheesling but he also won. Alison but her social game was horrific. Those are the only people in the discussion. This is kind of like people that refuse to acknowledge the great game Maggie played. Or that Jun is a true floater and Rachel Reilly has no ******* clue what she's talking about.
I don't know how many of you guys have seen bbcanada but, personally I'd love to have a takeover where arissa (the host) comes on stage and tell julie she's bringing a Canadian game changing twist to the U.S. And have an instant triple eviction the day after the two HOHs are crowned. 4 nominees, no veto, 1 person stays. That would definitely shake things up in the house. Plus the instant and triple eviction episodes in BBCAN3 were super intense. The feedsters wouldn't have feeds for a few days, cause it's taped instead of live with no studio audience during the eviction.
Thoughts?
For the love of God no...that an awful twist. I don't understand why we're ******* with the game. The game is great as is...even BOTB isn't needed.
I believe you've called her one of the best runner ups which is questionable when she lost to someone who tortured people on a day to day basis and was generally not liked by her houseguests the first time and was perceieved as whiney. Her second time she was fun to watch, but **** she screwed up massively.
Britney is a good player, not sure about great. She just is always someone who people are gonna wanna align with and is very social savvy. She makes the bb14 engame if the funeral doesn't happen. She has natural skills that make for a good player.
Dani is, without question, one of the best runner-ups. Her losing to **** was America's doing not a fair jury-ask Eric. Dani Reyes was clearly better. Dan Gheesling but he also won. Alison but her social game was horrific. Those are the only people in the discussion. This is kind of like people that refuse to acknowledge the great game Maggie played. Or that Jun is a true floater and Rachel Reilly has no ******* clue what she's talking about.
Yeah you're making assumptions because Maggie and Juna e great players/winners and Rcahel is an awful player (good character tho). I can dislike people and still give credit, see Andy and Maggie or how I love Janelle, but admit she's a medicore to average player.
I believe you've called her one of the best runner ups which is questionable when she lost to someone who tortured people on a day to day basis and was generally not liked by her houseguests the first time and was perceieved as whiney. Her second time she was fun to watch, but **** she screwed up massively.
Britney is a good player, not sure about great. She just is always someone who people are gonna wanna align with and is very social savvy. She makes the bb14 engame if the funeral doesn't happen. She has natural skills that make for a good player.
Dani is, without question, one of the best runner-ups. Her losing to **** was America's doing not a fair jury-ask Eric. Dani Reyes was clearly better. Dan Gheesling but he also won. Alison but her social game was horrific. Those are the only people in the discussion. This is kind of like people that refuse to acknowledge the great game Maggie played. Or that Jun is a true floater and Rachel Reilly has no ******* clue what she's talking about.
Yeah you're making assumptions because Maggie and Juna e great players/winners and Rcahel is an awful player (good character tho). I can dislike people and still give credit, see Andy and Maggie or how I love Janelle, but admit she's a medicore to average player.
I didn't say that you couldn't separate it. I said "people that refuse"...you aren't one of them. Most of the runner-ups have been awful and carried to the end
Janelle's a great competitor with a horrid social game
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
Ivette was "okay"
Memphis was horrible (he's even worse the second time you watch it), Cody didn't have a clue, Lane was subpar, Porsche was better than people admit but far from great and Natalie couldn't beat Jodan in a final. I mean...it is what it is...often times the person that finished 3rd, 4th or 5th was the second best player that season but the cast was smart enough to realize they'd win at the end. Nakomis for example
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
Ivette was "okay"
Memphis was horrible (he's even worse the second time you watch it), Cody didn't have a clue, Lane was subpar, Porsche was better than people admit but far from great and Natalie couldn't beat Jodan in a final. I mean...it is what it is...often times the person that finished 3rd, 4th or 5th was the second best player that season but the cast was smart enough to realize they'd win at the end. Nakomis for example
Yeah this is where we flatout disagree, Cody played a solid game where he was great socially (just happened to be unaware about how great Derrick was playing), Memphis is one of the best runner ups and nearly wins if there is no twist that helps Dan mend fences (vote probably goes 4-3), Porsche was solid as someone who was decent in all around aspects, and natalie was terrible socially, but actually pretty decent at strategy. She was just hated because of how she acted, outside of gameplay and the unnecessary lies. I would say this applies a lot mroe to survivor than BB, though typically the 3rd-th palcers are the second best players.
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
Ivette was "okay"
Memphis was horrible (he's even worse the second time you watch it), Cody didn't have a clue, Lane was subpar, Porsche was better than people admit but far from great and Natalie couldn't beat Jodan in a final. I mean...it is what it is...often times the person that finished 3rd, 4th or 5th was the second best player that season but the cast was smart enough to realize they'd win at the end. Nakomis for example
Yeah this is where we flatout disagree, Cody played a solid game where he was great socially (just happened to be unaware about how great Derrick was playing), Memphis is one of the best runner ups and nearly wins if there is no twist that helps Dan mend fences (vote probably goes 4-3), Porsche was solid as someone who was decent in all around aspects, and natalie was terrible socially, but actually pretty decent at strategy. She was just hated because of how she acted, outside of gameplay and the unnecessary lies. I would say this applies a lot mroe to survivor than BB, though typically the 3rd-th palcers are the second best players.
Cody kept Derrick at the end and was his puppet the entire game. If you take someone to the end who was never on the block you're a ******* idiot. Memphis had no idea what he was doing the entire season...rewatch it. It is far worse the second time. Porsche ****** up by opening Pandora's box when she had the game lockedup. Natalie had no real strategy. If you're hated because of how you acted or you're dumb enough to take someone that is a lock to beat you to the final then you played a poor game. Cody wins if he wasn't Derrick's pet,
I cut Cody slack for that actually because it was said repeatedly that anyone who betrays the alliance and takes Victoria to f2 will not get votes, this was another great move done by Derrick, but it doesn't change that it would have cost him multiple votes in Frankie, Caleb, etc. Yeah, no, but we disgaree on BB10 entirely so that's no surprise and not soemthing I wanan rehash. Porsche has also claimed that Pandora's Box was gonna be opened either way, they just painted it as her choosing to open it which i absolutely buy with how rigged bb13 was. Hm, then would you say Danielle Reyes played poorly based off her wanting to go to the end with Jason who would murder her in a jury vote? I think she played amazing, but if we're going off of just that logic, same could apply.
I cut Cody slack for that actually because it was said repeatedly that anyone who betrays the alliance and takes Victoria to f2 will not get votes, this was another great move done by Derrick, but it doesn't change that it would have cost him multiple votes in Frankie, Caleb, etc. Yeah, no, but we disgaree on BB10 entirely so that's no surprise and not soemthing I wanan rehash. Porsche has also claimed that Pandora's Box was gonna be opened either way, they just painted it as her choosing to open it which i absolutely buy with how rigged bb13 was. Hm, then would you say Danielle Reyes played poorly based off her wanting to go to the end with Jason who would murder her in a jury vote? I think she played amazing, but if we're going off of just that logic, same could apply.
Danielle Reyes kills anyone in a final vote if the jury wasn't bitter...****, if there's jury she would have crushed both.
Nah, Jason was like the most well liked hg by a huge distance, he crushes anyone very easily. Lisa also has a shot if the jury is sequestered too, but Jason definitely wins if he makes final 2.
Uhh yeah I'm lost on your definites. Amber was one of the most boring people they've ever cast, Kristen was both dumb and boring, Wil was just annoying and catty, and so was Annie. Some musts for me are Laura (BB11), Ronnie (BB11), Kaitlin (BB15), Brian (BB10), Jodi (BB14), and Brittany (BB16). Also yeah no to ever seeing Frank again, gross. For people who jury, I'd like: Andy, Amanda, Ian, Derrick, Nicole (BB16), Hayden, Russell, Kevin, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis, Renny, Jessica, Eric and so on.
I'm only talking about pre-jury. Da'Vonne, Nick, Dominic, Jodi, Kaitlin, Cassi and Annie are definites for me. Amber was the strongest girl on BB16 before she was evicted, plus she was overshadowed by Caleb's obsession. Kristen is memorable for her showmance with Hayden the winner of BB12 and her huge fight (floaters grab a life vest) against Rachel the winner of BB13. Wil is annoying and catty but entertainment. Annie was the saboteur and didn't get a chance to play a regular game, plus she was the first boot so didn't get a chance to play. Also, she caused a lot of drama in just the one week with fighting with Brendan and Rachel and Britney.
Laura to me was just a boring model, I wouldn't mind seeing her again but wouldn't be mad if she wasn't cast. You have to remember that a lot of these people were evicted early on so didn't get a chance to show their full potential. Kaitlin was catty and *****y but I would love to see her again. I think she had a lot of potential. I'd like to see Brian again. Definitely Jodi since she got screwed. Ronnie I could give or take and Brittany I would like to see play again.
Andy, Ian and Derrick won, so no thank you. I'd take Ian and Derrick again if you're including winners but definitely don't want to see Andy every again. I'd take Nicole, Zach and Donny from BB16 over anyone else who made jury. Frank I absolutley hated and would be happy never seeing again, but he was a comp beast and a huge threat. Plus you need someone to hate or the season will be boring if you love everyone. Same with Amanda but I would love to have her as the ***** on an All-Star season. Everyone else I pretty much agree with. Definitely Hayden, Russell, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis and Eric.
I'd love to see Britney Haynes and Daniele Donato play on All-Stars even though they've played twice already.
Right but what good is being strong if your as boring as Amber was? Yeah that's more that she (Kristen) is associated with entertaining people than actually being entertaining. Eh I found Wil just annoying and catty, but not entertaining. Laura actually was a big surprise and reminded me of Janelle. She seemed dumb, but understood the game a lot and was an early favorite. She was a solid competitor too and fiery. I agree with Kaitlin, girl was impressive in her few HOH comps and honestly seemed like someone who meshed with the wrong people. She would have genuine and nice life conversations with Judd and such. I don't care if they won honestly, I mean I don't see the big deal? They are great players and Ian was a great character too. Yeah, but I love to hate Amanda, Frank is just annoying and obnoxious. Amanda also was a lot more capable than Frank too which made her more complex as she had reasons to be arrogant. I'd love to see those two too, though I find Daniele to be overrated (mostly by kvm) and Britney to be underrated as players.
Because they already won, so they don't need to be on a second chance season. Second chance is for people who haven't won/got screwed, not people who should have a second chance at winning again. All-Stars is a different story. Derrick and Ian can be brought back, Andy no thank you.
Daniele is one of the best competitors in the game (competiton wise). She has 2 HOHh's and 5 vetos in one season and 2 HOH's in another season. Her first season is one of the best competition record's. Some people have a hard time winning even one competiton. She was also great socially. She made it to the end WITH her Dad who is probably the biggest villian to play the game so I wouldn't say she is overrated. Britney is definitely underrated.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
Nah, Jason was like the most well liked hg by a huge distance, he crushes anyone very easily. Lisa also has a shot if the jury is sequestered too, but Jason definitely wins if he makes final 2.
Shockingly we disagree...and Lisa has no shot if the jury is sequestered--none
I don't know how many of you guys have seen bbcanada but, personally I'd love to have a takeover where arissa (the host) comes on stage and tell julie she's bringing a Canadian game changing twist to the U.S. And have an instant triple eviction the day after the two HOHs are crowned. 4 nominees, no veto, 1 person stays. That would definitely shake things up in the house. Plus the instant and triple eviction episodes in BBCAN3 were super intense. The feedsters wouldn't have feeds for a few days, cause it's taped instead of live with no studio audience during the eviction.
Thoughts?
For the love of God no...that an awful twist. I don't understand why we're ******* with the game. The game is great as is...even BOTB isn't needed.
HATED the triple eviction and the instant eviction. The instant eviction screws people who are actually playing and good at the game and doesn't even give them a chance. The triple eviction sucks because it gives the HOH the power to get rid of two of their targets. Neither are fair at all.
BOTB sucks too. Instead of putting up targets we have the same 4 pawns every week so someone else can be backdoored. What is even the point of having a second HOH if they are going to put up two people, where one is going to throw it so the other HOH can be dethroned the same day they won. Lets stick with 1 HOH and 2 nominees.
I would like to see Candice, Helen, or Howard get a second chance because they all had no shot on their season with that racist clique.
Candice got kinda screwed, but she was always gonna be bad socially imo. Howard screwed himself by trying to plant his vote on Jessie and Helen screwed herself over lol.
Does anyone know if the pizza boy and realtor chick is still together?
I still think Candice deserves a second chance but you're right about Howard and Helen.
They broke up like a few months after the season
She does to an extent, the bed flipping really broke her down and made her team up with Howard when it was bad for her game. She was surprisingly good at strategy too, she just would annoy people sometimes
That was relationship was doomed but kind of fun to watch.
I will say her voice isn't the most likeable.
I'm only talking about pre-jury. Da'Vonne, Nick, Dominic, Jodi, Kaitlin, Cassi and Annie are definites for me. Amber was the strongest girl on BB16 before she was evicted, plus she was overshadowed by Caleb's obsession. Kristen is memorable for her showmance with Hayden the winner of BB12 and her huge fight (floaters grab a life vest) against Rachel the winner of BB13. Wil is annoying and catty but entertainment. Annie was the saboteur and didn't get a chance to play a regular game, plus she was the first boot so didn't get a chance to play. Also, she caused a lot of drama in just the one week with fighting with Brendan and Rachel and Britney.
Laura to me was just a boring model, I wouldn't mind seeing her again but wouldn't be mad if she wasn't cast. You have to remember that a lot of these people were evicted early on so didn't get a chance to show their full potential. Kaitlin was catty and *****y but I would love to see her again. I think she had a lot of potential. I'd like to see Brian again. Definitely Jodi since she got screwed. Ronnie I could give or take and Brittany I would like to see play again.
Andy, Ian and Derrick won, so no thank you. I'd take Ian and Derrick again if you're including winners but definitely don't want to see Andy every again. I'd take Nicole, Zach and Donny from BB16 over anyone else who made jury. Frank I absolutley hated and would be happy never seeing again, but he was a comp beast and a huge threat. Plus you need someone to hate or the season will be boring if you love everyone. Same with Amanda but I would love to have her as the ***** on an All-Star season. Everyone else I pretty much agree with. Definitely Hayden, Russell, Keesha, Libra, April, Memphis and Eric.
I'd love to see Britney Haynes and Daniele Donato play on All-Stars even though they've played twice already.
Howard was kind of too boring for me. Candice I would definitley like to see get a second chance. Helen im iffy about. I thought she was a strong social player at first, but then she became annoying and wouldn't make any moves which cost her and her alliance (Elissa, Jessie and Candice the game).
Guys, I was over on reddit.com/r/bigbrother and I had to share this exchange with you guys because I am ******* DYING
Topic: what takeovers would you guys like to see this season? Who would host it, what would the twist be?
Poster1: Rachel and Elissa
Poster2: Life vests rain down from the ceiling.
Im so ******* done!
Right but what good is being strong if your as boring as Amber was? Yeah that's more that she (Kristen) is associated with entertaining people than actually being entertaining. Eh I found Wil just annoying and catty, but not entertaining.
Laura actually was a big surprise and reminded me of Janelle. She seemed dumb, but understood the game a lot and was an early favorite. She was a solid competitor too and fiery. I agree with Kaitlin, girl was impressive in her few HOH comps and honestly seemed like someone who meshed with the wrong people. She would have genuine and nice life conversations with Judd and such.
I don't care if they won honestly, I mean I don't see the big deal? They are great players and Ian was a great character too. Yeah, but I love to hate Amanda, Frank is just annoying and obnoxious. Amanda also was a lot more capable than Frank too which made her more complex as she had reasons to be arrogant.
I'd love to see those two too, though I find Daniele to be overrated (mostly by kvm) and Britney to be underrated as players.
She's not overrated by me or anyone else. She's one of the most knowledgable people to play the game...it is just unfortunate she overplayed to try to get rid of Jeff realizing he was a problem for her game. The biggest probblem for both Jeff & Daniele was they didn't get along and Jeff was too dumb to understand it didn't matter.
Britney and Dani are great players...underrated by many
I believe you've called her one of the best runner ups which is questionable when she lost to someone who tortured people on a day to day basis and was generally not liked by her houseguests the first time and was perceieved as whiney. Her second time she was fun to watch, but **** she screwed up massively.
Britney is a good player, not sure about great. She just is always someone who people are gonna wanna align with and is very social savvy. She makes the bb14 engame if the funeral doesn't happen. She has natural skills that make for a good player.
I don't know how many of you guys have seen bbcanada but, personally I'd love to have a takeover where arissa (the host) comes on stage and tell julie she's bringing a Canadian game changing twist to the U.S. And have an instant triple eviction the day after the two HOHs are crowned. 4 nominees, no veto, 1 person stays. That would definitely shake things up in the house. Plus the instant and triple eviction episodes in BBCAN3 were super intense. The feedsters wouldn't have feeds for a few days, cause it's taped instead of live with no studio audience during the eviction.
Thoughts?
Dani is, without question, one of the best runner-ups. Her losing to **** was America's doing not a fair jury-ask Eric. Dani Reyes was clearly better. Dan Gheesling but he also won. Alison but her social game was horrific. Those are the only people in the discussion. This is kind of like people that refuse to acknowledge the great game Maggie played. Or that Jun is a true floater and Rachel Reilly has no ******* clue what she's talking about.
For the love of God no...that an awful twist. I don't understand why we're ******* with the game. The game is great as is...even BOTB isn't needed.
Yeah you're making assumptions because Maggie and Juna e great players/winners and Rcahel is an awful player (good character tho). I can dislike people and still give credit, see Andy and Maggie or how I love Janelle, but admit she's a medicore to average player.
I didn't say that you couldn't separate it. I said "people that refuse"...you aren't one of them. Most of the runner-ups have been awful and carried to the end
Janelle's a great competitor with a horrid social game
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
Ivette was "okay"
Memphis was horrible (he's even worse the second time you watch it), Cody didn't have a clue, Lane was subpar, Porsche was better than people admit but far from great and Natalie couldn't beat Jodan in a final. I mean...it is what it is...often times the person that finished 3rd, 4th or 5th was the second best player that season but the cast was smart enough to realize they'd win at the end. Nakomis for example
Yeah this is where we flatout disagree, Cody played a solid game where he was great socially (just happened to be unaware about how great Derrick was playing), Memphis is one of the best runner ups and nearly wins if there is no twist that helps Dan mend fences (vote probably goes 4-3), Porsche was solid as someone who was decent in all around aspects, and natalie was terrible socially, but actually pretty decent at strategy. She was just hated because of how she acted, outside of gameplay and the unnecessary lies. I would say this applies a lot mroe to survivor than BB, though typically the 3rd-th palcers are the second best players.
Cody kept Derrick at the end and was his puppet the entire game. If you take someone to the end who was never on the block you're a ******* idiot. Memphis had no idea what he was doing the entire season...rewatch it. It is far worse the second time. Porsche ****** up by opening Pandora's box when she had the game lockedup. Natalie had no real strategy. If you're hated because of how you acted or you're dumb enough to take someone that is a lock to beat you to the final then you played a poor game. Cody wins if he wasn't Derrick's pet,
I cut Cody slack for that actually because it was said repeatedly that anyone who betrays the alliance and takes Victoria to f2 will not get votes, this was another great move done by Derrick, but it doesn't change that it would have cost him multiple votes in Frankie, Caleb, etc. Yeah, no, but we disgaree on BB10 entirely so that's no surprise and not soemthing I wanan rehash. Porsche has also claimed that Pandora's Box was gonna be opened either way, they just painted it as her choosing to open it which i absolutely buy with how rigged bb13 was. Hm, then would you say Danielle Reyes played poorly based off her wanting to go to the end with Jason who would murder her in a jury vote? I think she played amazing, but if we're going off of just that logic, same could apply.
Danielle Reyes kills anyone in a final vote if the jury wasn't bitter...****, if there's jury she would have crushed both.
Nah, Jason was like the most well liked hg by a huge distance, he crushes anyone very easily. Lisa also has a shot if the jury is sequestered too, but Jason definitely wins if he makes final 2.
Because they already won, so they don't need to be on a second chance season. Second chance is for people who haven't won/got screwed, not people who should have a second chance at winning again. All-Stars is a different story. Derrick and Ian can be brought back, Andy no thank you.
Daniele is one of the best competitors in the game (competiton wise). She has 2 HOHh's and 5 vetos in one season and 2 HOH's in another season. Her first season is one of the best competition record's. Some people have a hard time winning even one competiton. She was also great socially. She made it to the end WITH her Dad who is probably the biggest villian to play the game so I wouldn't say she is overrated. Britney is definitely underrated.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
Shockingly we disagree...and Lisa has no shot if the jury is sequestered--none
HATED the triple eviction and the instant eviction. The instant eviction screws people who are actually playing and good at the game and doesn't even give them a chance. The triple eviction sucks because it gives the HOH the power to get rid of two of their targets. Neither are fair at all.
BOTB sucks too. Instead of putting up targets we have the same 4 pawns every week so someone else can be backdoored. What is even the point of having a second HOH if they are going to put up two people, where one is going to throw it so the other HOH can be dethroned the same day they won. Lets stick with 1 HOH and 2 nominees.
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