LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Honestly, I don't get the Shelli hate this season.
I'm not really a fan of her. Yet I kind of like her sometimes and then sometimes I kind of don't like her. I don't know what it is. I think if she wasn't in a "showmance" with Clay then I would like her a lot better.
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
Right, but that doesn't make it a bad season, just a poor outcome.
Jeremy was awful and was always gonna go prejury, I like Kaitlin, but she should have tried to play more utr than come off as threatening as she did and Nick massively mismanaged his relationship/talk with Elissa. Kaitlin and Nick have potential, but they were not strong players.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
Honestly, I don't get the Shelli hate this season.
I'm not really a fan of her. Yet I kind of like her sometimes and then sometimes I kind of don't like her. I don't know what it is. I think if she wasn't in a "showmance" with Clay then I would like her a lot better.
Exactly! I really like Shelli. Even though she came after Da'Vonne, I still like her. I just don't like Clay.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
Right, but that doesn't make it a bad season, just a poor outcome. Jeremy was awful and was always gonna go prejury, I like Kaitlin, but she should have tried to play more utr than come off as threatening as she did and Nick massively mismanaged his relationship/talk with Elissa. Kaitlin and Nick have potential, but they were not strong players.
Yes but they went out prejury. If they didn't go out prejury they could have been strong players. No one that goes out prejury can really be considered a strong player becaues they went out too early to be able to tell, but they definitely had potential to be. Elissa was a strong player but very easily could have been out first or second if people like Nick and Amanda didn't flip the votes.
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
Right, but that doesn't make it a bad season, just a poor outcome. Jeremy was awful and was always gonna go prejury, I like Kaitlin, but she should have tried to play more utr than come off as threatening as she did and Nick massively mismanaged his relationship/talk with Elissa. Kaitlin and Nick have potential, but they were not strong players.
Yes but they went out prejury. If they didn't go out prejury they could have been strong players. No one that goes out prejury can really be considered a strong player becaues they went out too early to be able to tell, but they definitely had potential to be. Elissa was a strong player but very easily could have been out first or second if people like Nick and Amanda didn't flip the votes.
Exactly, but they can't be called strong players like the original post I quoted called them. No one who goes out so soon can be honestly.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
Right, but that doesn't make it a bad season, just a poor outcome. Jeremy was awful and was always gonna go prejury, I like Kaitlin, but she should have tried to play more utr than come off as threatening as she did and Nick massively mismanaged his relationship/talk with Elissa. Kaitlin and Nick have potential, but they were not strong players.
Yes but they went out prejury. If they didn't go out prejury they could have been strong players. No one that goes out prejury can really be considered a strong player becaues they went out too early to be able to tell, but they definitely had potential to be. Elissa was a strong player but very easily could have been out first or second if people like Nick and Amanda didn't flip the votes.
Exactly, but they can't be called strong players like the original post I quoted called them. No one who goes out so soon can be honestly.
I know I'm agreeing with you lol. Someone like David would have probably been a weak player throughout the game whereas Nick or Kaitlin could have potentially been good players.
Yeah particularly Kaitlin almost winning HOH twice and going to the tiebreaker and then forming an alliance with people on the side are things that show she could have been a very good player
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
I didn't word my comment correctly so I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that Victoria was a floater. It was just an addition on to the floater comment.
The fact that you think Andy is one of the better winner's tells me you are awful at juding players. I never once said he didn't deserve to win, I am just saying he is one of the weaker winners. He is literally known for being one of the worst winners of the game. How he could be one of the best when you have people like Derrick, Hayden, Ian, Jun, Dan, ****, Wil, ****** and even Rachel (this is debatable because of how prodcution helped her) who all played stronger games than him doesn't make sense to me.
I am not under the assumption that there is only one way to play BB. All of the above winners played different games. We are talking about BB15 and Andy alone. Compared to other winners he isn't great. In my opinion, there are several other people in that season who could have easily won over him IF they were to make it that far (Amanda, Aaryn, Helen, Elissa, Judd, McCrae).
Yeah particularly Kaitlin almost winning HOH twice and going to the tiebreaker and then forming an alliance with people on the side are things that show she could have been a very good player
And Nick who played a huge role in flippin the votes from Elissa to David the first week, if I am remembering correctly? I could be wrong. However, he also was an idiot. When Elissa asked him if he would vote out Kaitlin if he put her up he should have lied and said yes. Instead he said no and she couldn't trust him so she put him up instead. Yea I was so ****** on that, she was so close to winning and missed each time. I would have really liked her to make it further in the game. She was entertaining too being one of the *****y girls but not as bad as Aaryn and GinaMarie. Hopefully she comes back if they do a second chance type of season.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
Definitely Andy who floated to whoever had the power (Amanda, Helen, Aaryn etc.). You know now that I think about it, having someone work with whoever is in power is actually more intersting than having a solid alliance who controls the game each week and wont flip on eachother (like the Sixth Sense right now). Also, most of the newbies from season 13 who would would be with the vets one second and then be with the newbies the next (Adam, Shelly, Porsche, Kalia at one point). Jun, Kathy (BB12), Jenn (BB14). Floating isn't a bad strategy. It definitely helps you get far, but saying that floating is the way to play this game when you have winners like Derrick, Hayden, ****, Wil, Dan is laughable. They are also stronger and more entertaining to watch making them a better win in my book.
Thanks to Rachel the term floater has been completely misconceived. Just because someone isn't winning competitions and isn't orchestrating big moves doesn't mean they are a floater. To date the best floater in Big Brother history is Andy he alligned himself with whoever was in power and as soon as that power player was seemingly losing their power he'd move on to the next and voted them out he went from Helen to Amanda voted them both out and had McCrae, Spencer, GinaMarie, and Judd left in the game and we're all more than content to take him to the end. Now was his gameplay fun to watch **** NO but it was effective and it showed the proper way to Float.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
I didn't word my comment correctly so I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that Victoria was a floater. It was just an addition on to the floater comment.
The fact that you think Andy is one of the better winner's tells me you are awful at juding players. I never once said he didn't deserve to win, I am just saying he is one of the weaker winners. He is literally known for being one of the worst winners of the game. How he could be one of the best when you have people like Derrick, Hayden, Ian, Jun, Dan, ****, Wil, ****** and even Rachel (this is debatable because of how prodcution helped her) who all played stronger games than him doesn't make sense to me.
I am not under the assumption that there is only one way to play BB. All of the above winners played different games. We are talking about BB15 and Andy alone. Compared to other winners he isn't great. In my opinion, there are several other people in that season who could have easily won over him IF they were to make it that far (Amanda, Aaryn, Helen, Elissa, Judd, McCrae).
People consider him weak because they don't like him and he made for boring tv, nothing to do with him as a player. Ian, Jun, ****, and ****** are all weaker than Andy. Ian had to rely on competition wins to stick around, Andy didn't need to and just relied on his alliances/connections. Jun was seen as lesser of two evils against Alison whereas people liked Andy and wanted to vote for him. **** relied on some help from twists, while it helped Andy early on he was never as in big trouble as **** was. ****** won on his second try so definitely not and lol at Rachel bei NV better than any winner. They didn't play stronger games, just flashier ones that casual fans enjoy.
That's kind of an irrelevant point because that could be used against a lot of winners. Even then Amanda gets little votes in a f2, Elissa definitely wasn't well liked by about half the HGs, Aaryn also had enemies in the jury and so on.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
Definitely Andy who floated to whoever had the power (Amanda, Helen, Aaryn etc.). You know now that I think about it, having someone work with whoever is in power is actually more intersting than having a solid alliance who controls the game each week and wont flip on eachother (like the Sixth Sense right now). Also, most of the newbies from season 13 who would would be with the vets one second and then be with the newbies the next (Adam, Shelly, Porsche, Kalia at one point). Jun, Kathy (BB12), Jenn (BB14). Floating isn't a bad strategy. It definitely helps you get far, but saying that floating is the way to play this game when you have winners like Derrick, Hayden, ****, Wil, Dan is laughable. They are also stronger and more entertaining to watch making them a better win in my book.
No lol Kathy and Jenn are not floaters, you still don't grasp it. They were just coattail riders. No one said it is the way to play, but it is a good strategy for sure that you seem to still not understand because you just like flashy gameplay more.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
Definitely Andy who floated to whoever had the power (Amanda, Helen, Aaryn etc.). You know now that I think about it, having someone work with whoever is in power is actually more intersting than having a solid alliance who controls the game each week and wont flip on eachother (like the Sixth Sense right now). Also, most of the newbies from season 13 who would would be with the vets one second and then be with the newbies the next (Adam, Shelly, Porsche, Kalia at one point). Jun, Kathy (BB12), Jenn (BB14). Floating isn't a bad strategy. It definitely helps you get far, but saying that floating is the way to play this game when you have winners like Derrick, Hayden, ****, Wil, Dan is laughable. They are also stronger and more entertaining to watch making them a better win in my book.
No lol Kathy and Jenn are not floaters, you still don't grasp it. They were just coattail riders. No one said it is the way to play, but it is a good strategy for sure that you seem to still not understand because you just like flashy gameplay more.
I think I know this game a lot better than you do to be honest. Kathy wasn't a coattail rider? She had no allies in the game, so who's coattail would she ride? She was always doing whatever the HOH wanted. I would consider Jenn a major floater. She was part of ******* team and had only Frank as an ally. Yet she would work with Danielle and Shane when they were in power and when she won veto she worked with Dan. She was constantally floating to different people.
I understand the stratgey completetely. It's like you don't even understand what we are arguing about anymore. Whoever said I liked flashy gameplay more? I like GAMEPLAY. Andy didn't really play until lik week 6. Derrick was a major gameplayer and I hated him. Watching him was so boring, so saying I like a flashy gameplayer is inaccurate. However, you at least knew he was playing the game and making moves unlike Andy. Floating gets you far, but isn't really a game play because you are doing whatever the person in power wants.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
I didn't word my comment correctly so I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that Victoria was a floater. It was just an addition on to the floater comment.
The fact that you think Andy is one of the better winner's tells me you are awful at juding players. I never once said he didn't deserve to win, I am just saying he is one of the weaker winners. He is literally known for being one of the worst winners of the game. How he could be one of the best when you have people like Derrick, Hayden, Ian, Jun, Dan, ****, Wil, ****** and even Rachel (this is debatable because of how prodcution helped her) who all played stronger games than him doesn't make sense to me.
I am not under the assumption that there is only one way to play BB. All of the above winners played different games. We are talking about BB15 and Andy alone. Compared to other winners he isn't great. In my opinion, there are several other people in that season who could have easily won over him IF they were to make it that far (Amanda, Aaryn, Helen, Elissa, Judd, McCrae).
People consider him weak because they don't like him and he made for boring tv, nothing to do with him as a player. Ian, Jun, ****, and ****** are all weaker than Andy. Ian had to rely on competition wins to stick around, Andy didn't need to and just relied on his alliances/connections. Jun was seen as lesser of two evils against Alison whereas people liked Andy and wanted to vote for him. **** relied on some help from twists, while it helped Andy early on he was never as in big trouble as **** was. ****** won on his second try so definitely not and lol at Rachel bei NV better than any winner. They didn't play stronger games, just flashier ones that casual fans enjoy. That's kind of an irrelevant point because that could be used against a lot of winners. Even then Amanda gets little votes in a f2, Elissa definitely wasn't well liked by about half the HGs, Aaryn also had enemies in the jury and so on.
People consider him week because he didn't show up in the game until like halfway through jury. You lose all relevance to me when you say people who rely on competition wins to stick around are weak competitors. Competitions are part of the game. If you have to rely on competitions it means you are a someones target and a threat in the game. Andy won 3 HOH's and 2 vetos. Ian won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. There's a chance that if Andy lost one of those competitions that he would be out the door. I'd rather someone who is in a tough position each week and needs to fight for their life in the game, rather than someone who is flying so far under the radar that people don't even know they are there. The people who are at the bottom and need to fight each week to survive are more deserving in most cases. Derrick is an exception. Jun had the same floating strategy as Andy. I hated Aaryn and Amanda but they actually played the game. Aaryn controlled a lot of things due to her competition wins and Amanda was a social threat. I'm sure they still would have gotten the votes in jury with the exception of Candice's. ****** won an an All-Star season so it was all of their second trys, so you can't use that against him. Especially since it was the best against the best.
Personally (opinion based) my list of winners goes like this: Will, Dan, Derrick, Hayden, Ian, ****, ******, Drew, Rachel, Andy, Jun, Jordan, Lisa, Maggie, Eddie, Adam
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
Definitely Andy who floated to whoever had the power (Amanda, Helen, Aaryn etc.). You know now that I think about it, having someone work with whoever is in power is actually more intersting than having a solid alliance who controls the game each week and wont flip on eachother (like the Sixth Sense right now). Also, most of the newbies from season 13 who would would be with the vets one second and then be with the newbies the next (Adam, Shelly, Porsche, Kalia at one point). Jun, Kathy (BB12), Jenn (BB14). Floating isn't a bad strategy. It definitely helps you get far, but saying that floating is the way to play this game when you have winners like Derrick, Hayden, ****, Wil, Dan is laughable. They are also stronger and more entertaining to watch making them a better win in my book.
No lol Kathy and Jenn are not floaters, you still don't grasp it. They were just coattail riders. No one said it is the way to play, but it is a good strategy for sure that you seem to still not understand because you just like flashy gameplay more.
I think I know this game a lot better than you do to be honest. Kathy wasn't a coattail rider? She had no allies in the game, so who's coattail would she ride? She was always doing whatever the HOH wanted. I would consider Jenn a major floater. She was part of ******* team and had only Frank as an ally. Yet she would work with Danielle and Shane when they were in power and when she won veto she worked with Dan. She was constantally floating to different people.
I understand the stratgey completetely. It's like you don't even understand what we are arguing about anymore. Whoever said I liked flashy gameplay more? I like GAMEPLAY. Andy didn't really play until lik week 6. Derrick was a major gameplayer and I hated him. Watching him was so boring, so saying I like a flashy gameplayer is inaccurate. However, you at least knew he was playing the game and making moves unlike Andy. Floating gets you far, but isn't really a game play because you are doing whatever the person in power wants.
Yeah you definitely don't lol, saying that Andy wasn't playing until week 6 when he was constantly getting information and deciding what to do with it and making social bonds and being in on important conversations is playing the game. Just because they aren't talking about it in the diary room or being so obvious about it doesn't mean they aren't playing.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
I didn't word my comment correctly so I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that Victoria was a floater. It was just an addition on to the floater comment.
The fact that you think Andy is one of the better winner's tells me you are awful at juding players. I never once said he didn't deserve to win, I am just saying he is one of the weaker winners. He is literally known for being one of the worst winners of the game. How he could be one of the best when you have people like Derrick, Hayden, Ian, Jun, Dan, ****, Wil, ****** and even Rachel (this is debatable because of how prodcution helped her) who all played stronger games than him doesn't make sense to me.
I am not under the assumption that there is only one way to play BB. All of the above winners played different games. We are talking about BB15 and Andy alone. Compared to other winners he isn't great. In my opinion, there are several other people in that season who could have easily won over him IF they were to make it that far (Amanda, Aaryn, Helen, Elissa, Judd, McCrae).
People consider him weak because they don't like him and he made for boring tv, nothing to do with him as a player. Ian, Jun, ****, and ****** are all weaker than Andy. Ian had to rely on competition wins to stick around, Andy didn't need to and just relied on his alliances/connections. Jun was seen as lesser of two evils against Alison whereas people liked Andy and wanted to vote for him. **** relied on some help from twists, while it helped Andy early on he was never as in big trouble as **** was. ****** won on his second try so definitely not and lol at Rachel bei NV better than any winner. They didn't play stronger games, just flashier ones that casual fans enjoy. That's kind of an irrelevant point because that could be used against a lot of winners. Even then Amanda gets little votes in a f2, Elissa definitely wasn't well liked by about half the HGs, Aaryn also had enemies in the jury and so on.
People consider him week because he didn't show up in the game until like halfway through jury. You lose all relevance to me when you say people who rely on competition wins to stick around are weak competitors. Competitions are part of the game. If you have to rely on competitions it means you are a someones target and a threat in the game. Andy won 3 HOH's and 2 vetos. Ian won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. There's a chance that if Andy lost one of those competitions that he would be out the door. I'd rather someone who is in a tough position each week and needs to fight for their life in the game, rather than someone who is flying so far under the radar that people don't even know they are there. The people who are at the bottom and need to fight each week to survive are more deserving in most cases. Derrick is an exception. Jun had the same floating strategy as Andy. I hated Aaryn and Amanda but they actually played the game. Aaryn controlled a lot of things due to her competition wins and Amanda was a social threat. I'm sure they still would have gotten the votes in jury with the exception of Candice's. ****** won an an All-Star season so it was all of their second trys, so you can't use that against him. Especially since it was the best against the best.
Personally (opinion based) my list of winners goes like this: Will, Dan, Derrick, Hayden, Ian, ****, ******, Drew, Rachel, Andy, Jun, Jordan, Lisa, Maggie, Eddie, Adam
Yeah that's dumb lol, if you're a threat to someone you're playing poorly. If people wanna target you that means you're coming off too strong, too threatening, etc and that is a flaw in your game. So is having to rely on competition because that means without it you are socially inept that people want you out that badly. Very dumb logic on your end. Why are they more deserving? A better play is able to not come off like a threat, see Daniele Reyes who was never nominated in BB3. Amanda definitely doesn't get the votes of Ginamarie, Candice, or Jessie for sure and potentially Elissa or Spencer/Judd. Right but it still would make them a poor winner regardless unless they had previously won. Winning on a returnee season is completely different than a regular one.
Rachel being above anyone is pretty funny, but Maggie is easily top 10. My top 10 would be: Will, Dan, Derrick, Hayden, Andy, Jun, Maggie, ****, Drew, ******
**** winning on a returnee season doesn't make you a weak winner. If your a threat, that doesn't mean you are playing poorly. Your points are so invalid it's laughable. What a joke, I'm done even talking about it with you.
LOL at people saying floating is the way to play this game. What a joke. I guess Victoria should have won last season then. Give me a break.
Victoria was a pawn not a floater. Even if she's considered a floater, there's a difference between Andy's floating and Victoria's floating. At least Andy won HoHs and Vetos. Victoria was never an HoH and she won a veto because it was given to her.
Honestly, I don't get the Shelli hate this season.
I'm not really a fan of her. Yet I kind of like her sometimes and then sometimes I kind of don't like her. I don't know what it is. I think if she wasn't in a "showmance" with Clay then I would like her a lot better.
Right, but that doesn't make it a bad season, just a poor outcome.
Jeremy was awful and was always gonna go prejury, I like Kaitlin, but she should have tried to play more utr than come off as threatening as she did and Nick massively mismanaged his relationship/talk with Elissa. Kaitlin and Nick have potential, but they were not strong players.
Definitely but I wasn't talking about Andy's floating game. I was talking about floaters in general. Nowhere in my post above does it say Andy's name.
Exactly! I really like Shelli. Even though she came after Da'Vonne, I still like her. I just don't like Clay.
The fact that you think Victoria was a floater tells me all I need to know in how awful you are at judging players. Victoria was a coattails rider, a floater is someone who goes along with whoever is in power and in general tries not to win comps and fly utr. It is a legit strategy and one that has won people the game multiple times. You're under the assumption there is only one way to play BB and any other way is wrong or invalid which is just laughable.
Yes but they went out prejury. If they didn't go out prejury they could have been strong players. No one that goes out prejury can really be considered a strong player becaues they went out too early to be able to tell, but they definitely had potential to be. Elissa was a strong player but very easily could have been out first or second if people like Nick and Amanda didn't flip the votes.
She's pretty boring and basic, but she's a pretty solid player. I do get why people dislike her though.
Exactly, but they can't be called strong players like the original post I quoted called them. No one who goes out so soon can be honestly.
I'm just reading all of these. Give me a few examples of who you think are floaters.
I think she's boring because she has Clay. I think if she was there alone without Clay, she'll be fun.
I know I'm agreeing with you lol. Someone like David would have probably been a weak player throughout the game whereas Nick or Kaitlin could have potentially been good players.
Yeah particularly Kaitlin almost winning HOH twice and going to the tiebreaker and then forming an alliance with people on the side are things that show she could have been a very good player
I didn't word my comment correctly so I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that Victoria was a floater. It was just an addition on to the floater comment.
The fact that you think Andy is one of the better winner's tells me you are awful at juding players. I never once said he didn't deserve to win, I am just saying he is one of the weaker winners. He is literally known for being one of the worst winners of the game. How he could be one of the best when you have people like Derrick, Hayden, Ian, Jun, Dan, ****, Wil, ****** and even Rachel (this is debatable because of how prodcution helped her) who all played stronger games than him doesn't make sense to me.
I am not under the assumption that there is only one way to play BB. All of the above winners played different games. We are talking about BB15 and Andy alone. Compared to other winners he isn't great. In my opinion, there are several other people in that season who could have easily won over him IF they were to make it that far (Amanda, Aaryn, Helen, Elissa, Judd, McCrae).
And Nick who played a huge role in flippin the votes from Elissa to David the first week, if I am remembering correctly? I could be wrong. However, he also was an idiot. When Elissa asked him if he would vote out Kaitlin if he put her up he should have lied and said yes. Instead he said no and she couldn't trust him so she put him up instead. Yea I was so ****** on that, she was so close to winning and missed each time. I would have really liked her to make it further in the game. She was entertaining too being one of the *****y girls but not as bad as Aaryn and GinaMarie. Hopefully she comes back if they do a second chance type of season.
Definitely Andy who floated to whoever had the power (Amanda, Helen, Aaryn etc.). You know now that I think about it, having someone work with whoever is in power is actually more intersting than having a solid alliance who controls the game each week and wont flip on eachother (like the Sixth Sense right now). Also, most of the newbies from season 13 who would would be with the vets one second and then be with the newbies the next (Adam, Shelly, Porsche, Kalia at one point). Jun, Kathy (BB12), Jenn (BB14). Floating isn't a bad strategy. It definitely helps you get far, but saying that floating is the way to play this game when you have winners like Derrick, Hayden, ****, Wil, Dan is laughable. They are also stronger and more entertaining to watch making them a better win in my book.
John needs to stop volunteering to throw BOTB. That's all.
Thanks to Rachel the term floater has been completely misconceived. Just because someone isn't winning competitions and isn't orchestrating big moves doesn't mean they are a floater. To date the best floater in Big Brother history is Andy he alligned himself with whoever was in power and as soon as that power player was seemingly losing their power he'd move on to the next and voted them out he went from Helen to Amanda voted them both out and had McCrae, Spencer, GinaMarie, and Judd left in the game and we're all more than content to take him to the end. Now was his gameplay fun to watch **** NO but it was effective and it showed the proper way to Float.
People consider him weak because they don't like him and he made for boring tv, nothing to do with him as a player. Ian, Jun, ****, and ****** are all weaker than Andy. Ian had to rely on competition wins to stick around, Andy didn't need to and just relied on his alliances/connections. Jun was seen as lesser of two evils against Alison whereas people liked Andy and wanted to vote for him. **** relied on some help from twists, while it helped Andy early on he was never as in big trouble as **** was. ****** won on his second try so definitely not and lol at Rachel bei NV better than any winner. They didn't play stronger games, just flashier ones that casual fans enjoy.
That's kind of an irrelevant point because that could be used against a lot of winners. Even then Amanda gets little votes in a f2, Elissa definitely wasn't well liked by about half the HGs, Aaryn also had enemies in the jury and so on.
No lol Kathy and Jenn are not floaters, you still don't grasp it. They were just coattail riders. No one said it is the way to play, but it is a good strategy for sure that you seem to still not understand because you just like flashy gameplay more.
I think I know this game a lot better than you do to be honest. Kathy wasn't a coattail rider? She had no allies in the game, so who's coattail would she ride? She was always doing whatever the HOH wanted. I would consider Jenn a major floater. She was part of ******* team and had only Frank as an ally. Yet she would work with Danielle and Shane when they were in power and when she won veto she worked with Dan. She was constantally floating to different people.
I understand the stratgey completetely. It's like you don't even understand what we are arguing about anymore. Whoever said I liked flashy gameplay more? I like GAMEPLAY. Andy didn't really play until lik week 6. Derrick was a major gameplayer and I hated him. Watching him was so boring, so saying I like a flashy gameplayer is inaccurate. However, you at least knew he was playing the game and making moves unlike Andy. Floating gets you far, but isn't really a game play because you are doing whatever the person in power wants.
People consider him week because he didn't show up in the game until like halfway through jury. You lose all relevance to me when you say people who rely on competition wins to stick around are weak competitors. Competitions are part of the game. If you have to rely on competitions it means you are a someones target and a threat in the game. Andy won 3 HOH's and 2 vetos. Ian won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. There's a chance that if Andy lost one of those competitions that he would be out the door. I'd rather someone who is in a tough position each week and needs to fight for their life in the game, rather than someone who is flying so far under the radar that people don't even know they are there. The people who are at the bottom and need to fight each week to survive are more deserving in most cases. Derrick is an exception. Jun had the same floating strategy as Andy. I hated Aaryn and Amanda but they actually played the game. Aaryn controlled a lot of things due to her competition wins and Amanda was a social threat. I'm sure they still would have gotten the votes in jury with the exception of Candice's. ****** won an an All-Star season so it was all of their second trys, so you can't use that against him. Especially since it was the best against the best.
Personally (opinion based) my list of winners goes like this:
Will, Dan, Derrick, Hayden, Ian, ****, ******, Drew, Rachel, Andy, Jun, Jordan, Lisa, Maggie, Eddie, Adam
Yeah you definitely don't lol, saying that Andy wasn't playing until week 6 when he was constantly getting information and deciding what to do with it and making social bonds and being in on important conversations is playing the game. Just because they aren't talking about it in the diary room or being so obvious about it doesn't mean they aren't playing.
Yeah that's dumb lol, if you're a threat to someone you're playing poorly. If people wanna target you that means you're coming off too strong, too threatening, etc and that is a flaw in your game. So is having to rely on competition because that means without it you are socially inept that people want you out that badly. Very dumb logic on your end. Why are they more deserving? A better play is able to not come off like a threat, see Daniele Reyes who was never nominated in BB3. Amanda definitely doesn't get the votes of Ginamarie, Candice, or Jessie for sure and potentially Elissa or Spencer/Judd. Right but it still would make them a poor winner regardless unless they had previously won. Winning on a returnee season is completely different than a regular one.
Rachel being above anyone is pretty funny, but Maggie is easily top 10. My top 10 would be: Will, Dan, Derrick, Hayden, Andy, Jun, Maggie, ****, Drew, ******
**** winning on a returnee season doesn't make you a weak winner. If your a threat, that doesn't mean you are playing poorly. Your points are so invalid it's laughable. What a joke, I'm done even talking about it with you.
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Amanda said it best
You have been fighting about this for a week and I'm over it.
And sometimes you don't need to make a big move
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