KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
I commend Wes for being able to play a game well all on his own or not in the majority (FM 1 after his cast left, Duel 1, Exes 2 there's prob others) something I don't think Susie would be able to pull off. Again she can only succeed if she's in a strong alliance.
There aren't others and his cast leaving on FM1 saved him because it took the target off them. Susie had no one other than Cara and Timmy on Gauntlet 2 and made the final. Either that's a **** good social game or Kina was scared of her. That was even after Jillian was too dumb to comprehend that Susie/Cara were giving her a free path to the final. The only dumb Jillian moment during her career.
I think wes Evan and Susie have had the best strategic games on the challenge overall.
Susie yes, Evan? I have never viewed him as strategic in any way. Duel 2 I guess, but he was in part for the reason why the selection process was ruined by predetermined BS. All he had to do make sure someone would call him and people wouldn't want to face him except for King Nehemiah
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
Poor social skills or surrounded by trash he'd rather not play with with like JEK?
He's won twice. The first time working with Evan on the Duel. The second time riding CT to the final on Rivals 2. The only two finals he made other than that were Rivals when he worked with JEK and Fresh Meat once they realized it was dumb to get rid of the weakest team. So, Wes has a poor social game when he's not working with them.And it isn't just JEK and CT that hated him. Honestly, aside from Evelyn has he ever had someone else that he was loyal to and that they were also loyal to him throughout.
He didn't "ride CT to the final". They were the best team, period, Wes included. He should have won Rivals and everyone knows that as well.
Wes survived in an era dominated by 3 idiots and their minions, and went against them several times. He's had plenty of alliances, but you're missing the point that he survived many times in hard places, while others often just joined the majority gang. The only time he really worked with JEK when Evan was solo and new, and the other being when he literally had one as his partner, so next.
You're biased and your paragraphs are tired and completely off-base. Go******** to Susie some more, no one wants to argue with someone so completely wrong and I don't have time to point out why.
kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
Poor social skills or surrounded by trash he'd rather not play with with like JEK?
He's won twice. The first time working with Evan on the Duel. The second time riding CT to the final on Rivals 2. The only two finals he made other than that were Rivals when he worked with JEK and Fresh Meat once they realized it was dumb to get rid of the weakest team. So, Wes has a poor social game when he's not working with them.And it isn't just JEK and CT that hated him. Honestly, aside from Evelyn has he ever had someone else that he was loyal to and that they were also loyal to him throughout.
He didn't "ride CT to the final". They were the best team, period, Wes included. He should have won Rivals and everyone knows that as well. Wes survived in an era dominated by 3 idiots and their minions, and went against them several times. He's had plenty of alliances, but you're missing the point that he survived many times in hard places, while others often just joined the majority gang. The only time he really worked with JEK when Evan was solo and new, and the other being when he literally had one as his partner, so next.You're biased and your paragraphs are tired and completely off-base. Go******** to Susie some more, no one wants to argue with someone so completely wrong and I don't have time to point out why.
They were the best team on Rivals 2 but they were on safe twice. CT's alliances with Cara, PaulaEmily, Diem, Jemmye & Theresa is why they were going to be safe. None of those teams would have ever sent in CT but they would have sent in Wes. He should have won Rivals but that was the JEK alliance that allowed those teams to get to the final. Wes only avoided the final elimination because Jenn wouldn't send in Kenny. I don't like any of JEK but they all were better at the game than Wes. As was Susie.
Evelyn was better in terms of strategy than Wes but she was even less liked. Your social skills aren't good when you're targetted early even if that means you're against JEK. If they're playing the game you need to find a way to stay off their radar instead of begging for them to take you out. That strategy didn't work for him becacuse it was idiotic.
kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
He did when he was tied to one as his partner, duh.
deeper wrote:kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
He did when he was tied to one as his partner, duh.
Right--the only times he's reached a final other than the Duel when he worked with Evan. Interesting, isn't it? Oh, actually, not at all because he needs someone to carry him socially.
Susie has a perfect elimination record, reached a final in every season, has reached more finals in 4 seasons than Wes has in 10 seasons, better social game, better strategist but yes Wes > Susie because Wes is the better character. Facts.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
**** poor social skills?! Is that why he was always the pro's and stars favorites on the champs vs series? He was absolutely beloved by all of them.
Champs vs Pros--Season 1: He only made the final because CT told Camila to pick Wes because it would be good for them to work together for the future.Champs vs Pros--Season 2: John & Emily picked a fat, out-shape CT over them after Wes gave an idiotic speech about paying them for the chance to run the finalChamps vs Pros--Season 3: I honestly only watched 2 episodes so I'm not entirely sure what happened but good for him for making the final.Wes has a reputation that proceeds him which is why he lives in eliminations have the time. On Fresh Meat he didn't have any chance as everyone was anti-Austin but trying to work with Tonya was stupid. On The Duel he did a great job pairing up with Evan and using Evan but not a great social game but solid. On The Ruins he lied to Evan before arriving that he was going to be on the show. He then made a ridiculous ultimatium about how people would be picked to go into elimination screwing himself--poor social game. Fresh Meat II he had agreements with Jenn, Ryan and Landon yet ****** all of them off leading Jenn & Ryan to side with Kenny and Landon to target Wes. On Rivals he worked with JEK so he was safe. On Exes his mouth got him thrown into the first two eliminations. On Seasons he didn't have a fair chance. Rivals II he was carried to the end by CT's social game. Exes II he played a good game. I didn't watch Rivals III. This is hardly a great social game or proof that he's "beloved"
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
I wish people could be real about Wes and Susie instead of just supporting the person they like better. Wes is the better character and the better competitor. Every number favors Susie. Susie's clearly the better strategic player even if you don't like Cara, JEK, Timmy or anyone else she worked with to reach those finals.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
**** poor social skills?! Is that why he was always the pro's and stars favorites on the champs vs series? He was absolutely beloved by all of them.
Champs vs Pros--Season 1: He only made the final because CT told Camila to pick Wes because it would be good for them to work together for the future.Champs vs Pros--Season 2: John & Emily picked a fat, out-shape CT over them after Wes gave an idiotic speech about paying them for the chance to run the finalChamps vs Pros--Season 3: I honestly only watched 2 episodes so I'm not entirely sure what happened but good for him for making the final.Wes has a reputation that proceeds him which is why he lives in eliminations have the time. On Fresh Meat he didn't have any chance as everyone was anti-Austin but trying to work with Tonya was stupid. On The Duel he did a great job pairing up with Evan and using Evan but not a great social game but solid. On The Ruins he lied to Evan before arriving that he was going to be on the show. He then made a ridiculous ultimatium about how people would be picked to go into elimination screwing himself--poor social game. Fresh Meat II he had agreements with Jenn, Ryan and Landon yet ****** all of them off leading Jenn & Ryan to side with Kenny and Landon to target Wes. On Rivals he worked with JEK so he was safe. On Exes his mouth got him thrown into the first two eliminations. On Seasons he didn't have a fair chance. Rivals II he was carried to the end by CT's social game. Exes II he played a good game. I didn't watch Rivals III. This is hardly a great social game or proof that he's "beloved"
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
So, you judge his social game by how he gets along with people you like as opposed to people that can control his fate in the game. That's not social strategy in any universe but okay.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
**** poor social skills?! Is that why he was always the pro's and stars favorites on the champs vs series? He was absolutely beloved by all of them.
Champs vs Pros--Season 1: He only made the final because CT told Camila to pick Wes because it would be good for them to work together for the future.Champs vs Pros--Season 2: John & Emily picked a fat, out-shape CT over them after Wes gave an idiotic speech about paying them for the chance to run the finalChamps vs Pros--Season 3: I honestly only watched 2 episodes so I'm not entirely sure what happened but good for him for making the final.Wes has a reputation that proceeds him which is why he lives in eliminations have the time. On Fresh Meat he didn't have any chance as everyone was anti-Austin but trying to work with Tonya was stupid. On The Duel he did a great job pairing up with Evan and using Evan but not a great social game but solid. On The Ruins he lied to Evan before arriving that he was going to be on the show. He then made a ridiculous ultimatium about how people would be picked to go into elimination screwing himself--poor social game. Fresh Meat II he had agreements with Jenn, Ryan and Landon yet ****** all of them off leading Jenn & Ryan to side with Kenny and Landon to target Wes. On Rivals he worked with JEK so he was safe. On Exes his mouth got him thrown into the first two eliminations. On Seasons he didn't have a fair chance. Rivals II he was carried to the end by CT's social game. Exes II he played a good game. I didn't watch Rivals III. This is hardly a great social game or proof that he's "beloved"
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
So, you judge his social game by how he gets along with people you like as opposed to people that can control his fate in the game. That's not social strategy in any universe but okay.
you said he has no social skills. clearly he does in spades. he has plenty. Wes gets along with everyone these days for the most part. this is not old school wes.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
**** poor social skills?! Is that why he was always the pro's and stars favorites on the champs vs series? He was absolutely beloved by all of them.
Champs vs Pros--Season 1: He only made the final because CT told Camila to pick Wes because it would be good for them to work together for the future.Champs vs Pros--Season 2: John & Emily picked a fat, out-shape CT over them after Wes gave an idiotic speech about paying them for the chance to run the finalChamps vs Pros--Season 3: I honestly only watched 2 episodes so I'm not entirely sure what happened but good for him for making the final.Wes has a reputation that proceeds him which is why he lives in eliminations have the time. On Fresh Meat he didn't have any chance as everyone was anti-Austin but trying to work with Tonya was stupid. On The Duel he did a great job pairing up with Evan and using Evan but not a great social game but solid. On The Ruins he lied to Evan before arriving that he was going to be on the show. He then made a ridiculous ultimatium about how people would be picked to go into elimination screwing himself--poor social game. Fresh Meat II he had agreements with Jenn, Ryan and Landon yet ****** all of them off leading Jenn & Ryan to side with Kenny and Landon to target Wes. On Rivals he worked with JEK so he was safe. On Exes his mouth got him thrown into the first two eliminations. On Seasons he didn't have a fair chance. Rivals II he was carried to the end by CT's social game. Exes II he played a good game. I didn't watch Rivals III. This is hardly a great social game or proof that he's "beloved"
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
So, you judge his social game by how he gets along with people you like as opposed to people that can control his fate in the game. That's not social strategy in any universe but okay.
you said he has no social skills. clearly he does in spades. he has plenty. Wes gets along with everyone these days for the most part. this is not old school wes.
So, you acknowledge that he lacked social skills on most of these seasons but now, with maturity, that's no longer true?
deeper wrote:kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
He did when he was tied to one as his partner, duh.
Right--the only times he's reached a final other than the Duel when he worked with Evan. Interesting, isn't it? Oh, actually, not at all because he needs someone to carry him socially.
Wes performed VERY well on Duel 1 and even tho he was attached to Kenny and had the JEK alliance on his side, they still were sent to elimination several times and won bc of Wes so I don't think JEK carried him 100%. Yes it helped, but it was not necessary. I'd like to point out tho that Wes does know how to talk to rookies to get them to understand his side.
deeper wrote:kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
He did when he was tied to one as his partner, duh.
Right--the only times he's reached a final other than the Duel when he worked with Evan. Interesting, isn't it? Oh, actually, not at all because he needs someone to carry him socially.
Wes performed VERY well on Duel 1 and even tho he was attached to Kenny and had the JEK alliance on his side, they still were sent to elimination several times and won bc of Wes so I don't think JEK carried him 100%. Yes it helped, but it was not necessary. I'd like to point out tho that Wes does know how to talk to rookies to get them to understand his side.
How's the work out for him?
Wes always performs well. I've never questioned that but it's isn't coincidence he's reached 3 finals and those times he wasn't going against JEK/CT. It's not easy to make a final without the numbers regardless of how good you are. Hopefully Wes has learned that. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer--he was never good at that.
if only wes was given the cast or partners john was throughout the show then hed have the same and john less. *cough* *** you rivals 1 *cough* they always cast wes as the underdog besides rivals 2 which was a sorry about what we did rivals 1 fiasco. **** this page. wes is great but besides rivals 2 hes never had a decent partner beside terasa on exes2 which well would ya look at that they got ****** due to the twist that would **** us off more to come in the future
if only wes was given the cast or partners john was throughout the show then hed have the same and john less. *cough* *** you rivals 1 *cough* they always cast wes as the underdog besides rivals 2 which was a sorry about what we did rivals 1 fiasco. **** this page. wes is great but besides rivals 2 hes never had a decent partner beside terasa on exes2 which well would ya look at that they got ****** due to the twist that would **** us off more to come in the future
Wes picked Mandi & Casey. He could have had Diem or Linette on Fresh Meat and he could have had Theresa, Carley or Sydney on FM2. Wes didn't make good decisions. Mandi also showed she was capable of getting to a final with Jenn so could have with Wes. In Rivals Wes was given Kenny, CT & Nany. That's really not bad at all. If Mandi is the worst teammate you are given (not picked) you're doing pretty good. Well, he was screwed on Seasons so, yeah, that time he didn't have an option either.
KChallenge10 wrote:Wes is a king and all around much better than Susie at the game. Yes she plays a better game than him at times but when Wes' back is against the well he can usually perform well while Susie has to rely on numbers to get far. She would likely be an early boot on any individual season. Susie needs the numbers on her side to get far and play the game while Wes can still play the game even if he's on his own.
Susie's not a bad competitor and she's decent at eliminations. Wes is the better competitor obviously but Susie always had numbers regardless of the cast. That's impressive. Wes has poor social skills
**** poor social skills?! Is that why he was always the pro's and stars favorites on the champs vs series? He was absolutely beloved by all of them.
Champs vs Pros--Season 1: He only made the final because CT told Camila to pick Wes because it would be good for them to work together for the future.Champs vs Pros--Season 2: John & Emily picked a fat, out-shape CT over them after Wes gave an idiotic speech about paying them for the chance to run the finalChamps vs Pros--Season 3: I honestly only watched 2 episodes so I'm not entirely sure what happened but good for him for making the final.Wes has a reputation that proceeds him which is why he lives in eliminations have the time. On Fresh Meat he didn't have any chance as everyone was anti-Austin but trying to work with Tonya was stupid. On The Duel he did a great job pairing up with Evan and using Evan but not a great social game but solid. On The Ruins he lied to Evan before arriving that he was going to be on the show. He then made a ridiculous ultimatium about how people would be picked to go into elimination screwing himself--poor social game. Fresh Meat II he had agreements with Jenn, Ryan and Landon yet ****** all of them off leading Jenn & Ryan to side with Kenny and Landon to target Wes. On Rivals he worked with JEK so he was safe. On Exes his mouth got him thrown into the first two eliminations. On Seasons he didn't have a fair chance. Rivals II he was carried to the end by CT's social game. Exes II he played a good game. I didn't watch Rivals III. This is hardly a great social game or proof that he's "beloved"
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
So, you judge his social game by how he gets along with people you like as opposed to people that can control his fate in the game. That's not social strategy in any universe but okay.
you said he has no social skills. clearly he does in spades. he has plenty. Wes gets along with everyone these days for the most part. this is not old school wes.
So, you acknowledge that he lacked social skills on most of these seasons but now, with maturity, that's no longer true?
He has always had social skills. He just does not have a fiery temper anymore.
I think wes Evan and Susie have had the best strategic games on the challenge overall.
Susie yes, Evan? I have never viewed him as strategic in any way. Duel 2 I guess, but he was in part for the reason why the selection process was ruined by predetermined BS. All he had to do make sure someone would call him and people wouldn't want to face him except for King Nehemiah
Evan and Susie ran the ruins team. IMO they were the only ones deserving of the final prize money out of the finalists from that team. They dictated every move that season. (Wes did have them scared though but unfortunately he was alone that season so there was only so much he could do)
Duel 2- he got Brad vs Landon which was a huge move that led him to win the whole thing
I said it once and I'll say it again, wes got ******* Casey to a final and went through 5 exiles and had everyone against them. No one else could do that.
if only wes was given the cast or partners john was throughout the show then hed have the same and john less. *cough* *** you rivals 1 *cough* they always cast wes as the underdog besides rivals 2 which was a sorry about what we did rivals 1 fiasco. **** this page. wes is great but besides rivals 2 hes never had a decent partner beside terasa on exes2 which well would ya look at that they got ****** due to the twist that would **** us off more to come in the future
Wes picked Mandi & Casey. He could have had Diem or Linette on Fresh Meat and he could have had Theresa, Carley or Sydney on FM2. Wes didn't make good decisions. Mandi also showed she was capable of getting to a final with Jenn so could have with Wes. In Rivals Wes was given Kenny, CT & Nany. That's really not bad at all. If Mandi is the worst teammate you are given (not picked) you're doing pretty good. Well, he was screwed on Seasons so, yeah, that time he didn't have an option either.
Susie does not do well without numbers. Plug Susie into Wes's place in any of the seasons he's done and most likely she's an early boot. Susie would never survive a show without a majority alliance on her side. Plus all her shows were team challenges which are much easier to get to a final.
Susie does not do well without numbers. Plug Susie into Wes's place in any of the seasons he's done and most likely she's an early boot. Susie would never survive a show without a majority alliance on her side. Plus all her shows were team challenges which are much easier to get to a final.
No one does well without numbers...including Wes. When did Wes do well when he was an early target other than Fresh Meat? The Ruins? No. Seasons? No. On The Duel he didn't see an elimination until the half-way point. Also, Susie wasn't in the majority alliance on Gauntlet 2 yet won. Politics are even more important in team challenges which is why Wes is lucky he only did one.
I really do miss team challenges--so much better gameplay.
Live in denial--doesn't bother me
There aren't others and his cast leaving on FM1 saved him because it took the target off them. Susie had no one other than Cara and Timmy on Gauntlet 2 and made the final. Either that's a **** good social game or Kina was scared of her. That was even after Jillian was too dumb to comprehend that Susie/Cara were giving her a free path to the final. The only dumb Jillian moment during her career.
Susie yes, Evan? I have never viewed him as strategic in any way. Duel 2 I guess, but he was in part for the reason why the selection process was ruined by predetermined BS. All he had to do make sure someone would call him and people wouldn't want to face him except for King Nehemiah
He didn't "ride CT to the final". They were the best team, period, Wes included. He should have won Rivals and everyone knows that as well.
Wes survived in an era dominated by 3 idiots and their minions, and went against them several times. He's had plenty of alliances, but you're missing the point that he survived many times in hard places, while others often just joined the majority gang. The only time he really worked with JEK when Evan was solo and new, and the other being when he literally had one as his partner, so next.
You're biased and your paragraphs are tired and completely off-base. Go******** to Susie some more, no one wants to argue with someone so completely wrong and I don't have time to point out why.
kvm's argument is basically that Wes had poor social skills because he chose not to associate with the misogynistic, rapist, ******** and their minions during the JEK era. We have to laugh.
mtv.com sis! Make fake emails and watch that shit
They were the best team on Rivals 2 but they were on safe twice. CT's alliances with Cara, PaulaEmily, Diem, Jemmye & Theresa is why they were going to be safe. None of those teams would have ever sent in CT but they would have sent in Wes. He should have won Rivals but that was the JEK alliance that allowed those teams to get to the final. Wes only avoided the final elimination because Jenn wouldn't send in Kenny. I don't like any of JEK but they all were better at the game than Wes. As was Susie.
Evelyn was better in terms of strategy than Wes but she was even less liked. Your social skills aren't good when you're targetted early even if that means you're against JEK. If they're playing the game you need to find a way to stay off their radar instead of begging for them to take you out. That strategy didn't work for him becacuse it was idiotic.
But he did. That's how he reached the Rivals final and Rivals 2 final was CT. Reality. He even was close with Jenn who, other than Paula, was the biggest JEK minnion.
He did when he was tied to one as his partner, duh.
Wes > Susie period.
Right--the only times he's reached a final other than the Duel when he worked with Evan. Interesting, isn't it? Oh, actually, not at all because he needs someone to carry him socially.
Susie has a perfect elimination record, reached a final in every season, has reached more finals in 4 seasons than Wes has in 10 seasons, better social game, better strategist but yes Wes > Susie because Wes is the better character. Facts.
lol what you said had nothing to do with what I said. You were talking about the same ol same ol reycled challengers. like no shit john did not pick him. just like wes would never pick him. The pro's and stars love him. His social game in the champs vs series is some of the best I have ever seen. Him being great friends with Louise, ****** Gibson, Casper, Lil Romeo and Lolo Jones means a lot more than the dbags of the challenge not getting along with him.
I wish people could be real about Wes and Susie instead of just supporting the person they like better. Wes is the better character and the better competitor. Every number favors Susie. Susie's clearly the better strategic player even if you don't like Cara, JEK, Timmy or anyone else she worked with to reach those finals.
So, you judge his social game by how he gets along with people you like as opposed to people that can control his fate in the game. That's not social strategy in any universe but okay.
you said he has no social skills. clearly he does in spades. he has plenty. Wes gets along with everyone these days for the most part. this is not old school wes.
So, you acknowledge that he lacked social skills on most of these seasons but now, with maturity, that's no longer true?
Wes performed VERY well on Duel 1 and even tho he was attached to Kenny and had the JEK alliance on his side, they still were sent to elimination several times and won bc of Wes so I don't think JEK carried him 100%. Yes it helped, but it was not necessary. I'd like to point out tho that Wes does know how to talk to rookies to get them to understand his side.
How's the work out for him?
Wes always performs well. I've never questioned that but it's isn't coincidence he's reached 3 finals and those times he wasn't going against JEK/CT. It's not easy to make a final without the numbers regardless of how good you are. Hopefully Wes has learned that. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer--he was never good at that.
if only wes was given the cast or partners john was throughout the show then hed have the same and john less. *cough* *** you rivals 1 *cough* they always cast wes as the underdog besides rivals 2 which was a sorry about what we did rivals 1 fiasco. **** this page. wes is great but besides rivals 2 hes never had a decent partner beside terasa on exes2 which well would ya look at that they got ****** due to the twist that would **** us off more to come in the future
Wes picked Mandi & Casey. He could have had Diem or Linette on Fresh Meat and he could have had Theresa, Carley or Sydney on FM2. Wes didn't make good decisions. Mandi also showed she was capable of getting to a final with Jenn so could have with Wes. In Rivals Wes was given Kenny, CT & Nany. That's really not bad at all. If Mandi is the worst teammate you are given (not picked) you're doing pretty good. Well, he was screwed on Seasons so, yeah, that time he didn't have an option either.
He has always had social skills. He just does not have a fiery temper anymore.
Evan and Susie ran the ruins team. IMO they were the only ones deserving of the final prize money out of the finalists from that team. They dictated every move that season. (Wes did have them scared though but unfortunately he was alone that season so there was only so much he could do)
Duel 2- he got Brad vs Landon which was a huge move that led him to win the whole thing
Evans a smart guy.
Wes's game on the Duel was flawless.
I said it once and I'll say it again, wes got ******* Casey to a final and went through 5 exiles and had everyone against them. No one else could do that.
**** you right
Weston has a chance to be a top 10 challenger if he wins the next challenge.
Susie does not do well without numbers. Plug Susie into Wes's place in any of the seasons he's done and most likely she's an early boot. Susie would never survive a show without a majority alliance on her side. Plus all her shows were team challenges which are much easier to get to a final.
Wes on steroids was another level of scary. I'm still shook at him clocking Derrick and destroying Brad.
No one does well without numbers...including Wes. When did Wes do well when he was an early target other than Fresh Meat? The Ruins? No. Seasons? No. On The Duel he didn't see an elimination until the half-way point. Also, Susie wasn't in the majority alliance on Gauntlet 2 yet won. Politics are even more important in team challenges which is why Wes is lucky he only did one.
I really do miss team challenges--so much better gameplay.
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