See here is the thing. CJ requested Jonna to go with him becuase he was more confident with her. Right there they should have leaned more towards Jonna. If they couldn't decide and it came down to a vote, i bet brooklyn would have chosen Jonna.
Here's where Jonna's logic is flawed. If she thought she had a chance to go home and woudln't win, she had to know Jasmine had an even lesser chance. So knowing that she saved herself a trip home, but now they only have 2 people. She also has seen how big of a disadvantage a team of 2 is. Does she really think her team of 2 won't get last and won't go in? Where as if she had gone in right than with CJ, she at least had CJ on her side which gives her the best chance. She was probably overrating her alliance with SD protecting her the rest of the way.
Basically she just didn't want to go against Zach is probably why, and that saved team San Diego imo. If she ends up winning i will say smart game play Jonna, but i just won't hold my breath
If i was CJ i'd be more hurt that my friend Jonna didn't want to help me win when we had the best chance and especially after with how well CJ played.
Camille worded it perfect about Trishelle. She thinks she is such a great judge of character because she plays poker, but in reality she just seems to be bitter and trash any girl any chance she can for no reason other than she can
Good win Zach, i guess but he did overall beat you more times. You got pretty luck dude and he came out with no scratches, you looked like you had been jumped in an ally. But you weigh more so you had it no prob right? He's doing good and in great shape to win now, but he just isn't the huge beast i thought that he should be i guess
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326335]Trishelle's comments about Sarah just make no sense at all. I really would love to know which cast-member put that into her head.[/QUOTE]
Chet was even talking about it on the podcast how Trishelle made no sense with that. Apparently some people were thinking Sarah is manipulative based on her coming up with games when the lady just loves games. She's a camp counselor for no money. lol. Sarah didn't deserve that.
oh and Devyn just said that she was talking **** because they thought Jasmine was FORCED into going into the arena, so they felt bad for her and thought she would get hurt. Either way, Jasmine volunteered herself and she didn't have to do that. I love Team Cancun. I'm upset CJ is gone too. I didn't like Chet being mean to him either.
[QUOTE=jojorules;326336]See here is the thing. CJ requested Jonna to go with him becuase he was more confident with her. Right there they should have leaned more towards Jonna. If they couldn't decide and it came down to a vote, i bet brooklyn would have chosen Jonna.
Here's where Jonna's logic is flawed. If she thought she had a chance to go home and woudln't win, she had to know Jasmine had an even lesser chance. So knowing that she saved herself a trip home, but now they only have 2 people. She also has seen how big of a disadvantage a team of 2 is. Does she really think her team of 2 won't get last and won't go in? Where as if she had gone in right than with CJ, she at least had CJ on her side which gives her the best chance.
Basically she just didn't want to go against Zach is probably why, and that saved team San Diego imo. If she ends up winning i will say smart game play Jonna, but i just won't hold my breath
If i was CJ i'd be more hurt that my friend Jonna didn't want to help me win when we had the best chance and especially after with how well CJ played.[/QUOTE]
She didn't want to go against Zach because, like any sane person, she thought Zach would crush CJ. Her logic wasn't flawed. The reason the other two person teams have failed is they had weak players. A good two person team in this season would be fine.
[QUOTE=Camille;326338]
oh and Devyn just said that she was talking **** because they thought Jasmine was FORCED into going into the arena, so they felt bad for her and thought she would get hurt. Either way, Jasmine volunteered herself and she didn't have to do that. I love Team Cancun. I'm upset CJ is gone too. I didn't like Chet being mean to him either.[/QUOTE]
Devyn's comments didn't really bother me. I really like(d) team Cancun but I never thought they were going to win.
I stand by my opinion even if I am in the minority lol. I feel like Jonna would have had a better chance at winning than Jasmine. Seeing jas's history of getting tired during challenges, I think she knew that but didn't want to risk it. It's like the fish thing with Laura; just because you want to go in, doesn't mean it's the best option.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326340]She didn't want to go against Zach because, like any sane person, she thought Zach would crush CJ. Her logic wasn't flawed. The reason the other two person teams have failed is they had weak players. A good two person team in this season would be fine.[/QUOTE]
Even if it was a "good" two person team, and they did that log challenge, you think they would be just fine? She basically made it harder for Cj to stay and hindered his whole game, and put her team overall in a worse position. Of course she wants to win, but her staying with just Derek doesn't really increase her chances to win when if they sent Zach home, that would heavily increase their chance.
I doubt she even had too much thought into the decision, her thought was avoid elimination at all costs..I get that, but wasn't the best move for her team, and ultimately for her it won't be i feel
I am curious how Frank would have done against CJ.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;326342]I stand by my opinion even if I am in the minority lol. I feel like Jonna would have had a better chance at winning than Jasmine. Seeing jas's history of getting tired during challenges, I think she knew that but didn't want to risk it. It's like the fish thing with Laura; just because you want to go in, doesn't mean it's the best option.[/QUOTE]
The issue with the Laura thing was that it wasn't an elimination round--they could have completely avoided an elimination round by sending in Marie (though Sarah may still have beat her). You use your best to avoid eliminations. You don't send in your best and risk them going home unless it's a guaranteed win. Again, why would any girl want to be partnered with CJ going against Zach prior to seeing the results? It is asking to go home on paper. I think the only people questioning Jonna's wise decision are those that just don't like her
[QUOTE=jojorules;326345]Even if it was a "good" two person team, and they did that log challenge, you think they would be just fine? She basically made it harder for Cj to stay and hindered his whole game, and put her team overall in a worse position. Of course she wants to win, but her staying with just Derek doesn't really increase her chances to win when if they sent Zach home, that would heavily increase their chance.
I doubt she even had too much thought into the decision, her thought was avoid elimination at all costs..I get that, but wasn't the best move for her team, and ultimately for her it won't be i feel
I am curious how Frank would have done against CJ.[/QUOTE]
Yes, a team like Wes & Melinda could have crushed the log competition--remember getting the logs up the hill wasn't the problem--they couldn't remember the puzzle.
These things are never about "a team"--it is about getting as far as possible.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326346]The issue with the Laura thing was that it wasn't an elimination round--they could have completely avoided an elimination round by sending in Marie (though Sarah may still have beat her). You use your best to avoid eliminations. You don't send in your best and risk them going home unless it's a guaranteed win. Again, why would any girl want to be partnered with CJ going against Zach prior to seeing the results? It is asking to go home on paper. I think the only people questioning Jonna's wise decision are those that just don't like her[/QUOTE]
Of all her challenges, i have never not liked Jonna. However, knowing that if you win your round, and their will be a coin flip chance you get to go again, why is going against Zach guaranteed you won't win. If jonna beat Sam 2/3 their was a 50/50 chance she would get to face her again for the deciding vote even if Zach dominated CJ. She just didn't want to go home and didn't want to face Zach. But ultimately wasn't best for her team, it was best for her. Which is fine for her, lets see how they do now that they are a 2 person team.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326346]The issue with the Laura thing was that it wasn't an elimination round--they could have completely avoided an elimination round by sending in Marie (though Sarah may still have beat her). You use your best to avoid eliminations. You don't send in your best and risk them going home unless it's a guaranteed win. Again, why would any girl want to be partnered with CJ going against Zach prior to seeing the results? It is asking to go home on paper. I think the only people questioning Jonna's wise decision are those that just don't like her[/QUOTE]
I 100% disagree with this. Zach wouldnt have volunteered had Jonna stepped up like she should have. Now Jonna basically has no shot at winning this game in my mind, being a team of 2 and have a weak male companion (yes I think Derek is weak). Had Jonna stepped up for her team instead of acting like a p**** and a brat, she possibly could have beat Sam and her full team could still be there and she could have a good shot at winning. And just the opposite of what you think, the people defending her actions are her fans, the ones questioning them are either A) dont care if she stays or goes B) Logically speaking or C) dont like her or D) all of the above
[QUOTE=jojorules;326348]Of all her challenges, i have never not liked Jonna. However, knowing that if you win your round, and their will be a coin flip chance you get to go again, why is going against Zach guaranteed you won't win. If jonna beat Sam 2/3 their was a 50/50 chance she would get to face her again for the deciding vote even if Zach dominated CJ. She just didn't want to go home and didn't want to face Zach. But ultimately wasn't best for her team, it was best for her. Which is fine for her, lets see how they do now that they are a 2 person team.[/QUOTE]
First off, what if it lands on tails (as it did) and CJ losses--you go home.
Second, Sam is "bigger" than Jonna--still not a great matchup.
Third, you're right--she didn't want to go home ad did what was best for her--there's nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326347]Yes, a team like Wes & Melinda could have crushed the log competition--remember getting the logs up the hill wasn't the problem--they couldn't remember the puzzle.
These things are never about "a team"--it is about getting as far as possible.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. In individual challenges it's about getting as far as possible. But in a 4 person team challenge, you want to get the best possible team in position to be in the finals. Because remember, in some challenges, if their are 3 teams in final, they don't always give money to third. So their is no point in making the finals, if you have a partner who is awful or if you have an Eric on your team. So if you do what is best for you, and in the end your team is worse, than how does that ultimately help you if you make the finals and get no money? See Eric on g3..So if she really is truly confident in Derek, than maybe you are right,but i just don't think she is. She just was afraid of going home. You can't play the game scared
We just disagree on strategy that's all, i respect your opinion
[QUOTE=tjhallow;326344]It should have been Jonna and Ashley. Frank and CJ.[/QUOTE]
That wouldn't be smart for SD's game, although it would have been only fair.
It was a bad move on Cancun's part but at the same time Jonna is playing her own game to save her own ***. Jasmine and CJ were too generous.
[QUOTE=Lola88;326351]I 100% disagree with this. Zach wouldnt have volunteered had Jonna stepped up like she should have. Now Jonna basically has no shot at winning this game in my mind, being a team of 2 and have a weak male companion (yes I think Derek is weak). Had Jonna stepped up for her team instead of acting like a p**** and a brat, she possibly could have beat Sam and her full team could still be there and she could have a good shot at winning. And just the opposite of what you think, the people defending her actions are her fans, the ones questioning them are either A) dont care if she stays or goes B) Logically speaking or C) dont like her or D) all of the above[/QUOTE]
Brooklyn would have sent in Zach anyway. It is honestly amazing people think Jonna should have stepped up--it goes against the logic used in every challenge.
See what you just called her--not a fan. Jonna's a strategist not a great competitor--she knew her odds of beating Sam were low and CJ's odds of beat Frank or Zach (especially Zach) were slim to none. It was purely strategic
I do respect that Zach went in again. I will give him that. Or he was outsmarted by Frank, i am not sure haha
KVM, you are right their is nothing wrong with her avoiding elimination at all costs. But playing scared only works if you are very confident in your own abilities and the rest of your team. Some in the past have been, i just am not confident in the team that is left. Jonna hasn't done a challenge final either if she even makes it. I think she momentarily saved herself but ultimately i'd rather go in with CJ than with Derek any day no matter who they are facing. She put her team in a worse spot overall to win the whole thing. We will see how it shakes out though, it could be the smartest thing she ever did.
[QUOTE=jojorules;326354]I disagree. In individual challenges it's about getting as far as possible. But in a 4 person team challenge, you want to get the best possible team in position to be in the finals. Because remember, in some challenges, if their are 3 teams in final, they don't always give money to third. So their is no point in making the finals, if you have a partner who is awful or if you have an Eric on your team. So if you do what is best for you, and in the end your team is worse, than how does that ultimately help you if you make the finals and get no money? See Eric on g3..So if she really is truly confident in Derek, than maybe you are right,but i just don't think she is. She just was afraid of going home. You can't play the game scared
We just disagree on strategy that's all, i respect your opinion[/QUOTE]
TJ told us the breakdown--3rd place gets money (I forget if it was 10 or 40--was thinking 40 but maybe 10)--you just have to make the final to earn cash this season.
I'm fine with disagreeing I just don't see your logic here because of the guy matchup. CJ shocked me and was impressive but I don't think anyone would have expected him to win that. Now maybe if Cancun was going against Brooklyn then I would have agreed with you but not SD2 or Vegas--that's just a horrible matchup for them
[QUOTE=jojorules;326358]I do respect that Zach went in again. I will give him that. Or he was outsmarted by Frank, i am not sure haha
KVM, you are right their is nothing wrong with her avoiding elimination at all costs. But playing scared only works if you are very confident in your own abilities and the rest of your team. Some in the past have been, i just am not confident in the team that is left. Jonna hasn't done a challenge final either if she even makes it. I think she momentarily saved herself but ultimately i'd rather go in with CJ than with Derek any day no matter who they are facing. She put her team in a worse spot overall to win the whole thing. We will see how it shakes out though, it could be the smartest thing she ever did.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it will work out for her but I think it was the right strategic move. I think the mistake was CJ going in.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326359]TJ told us the breakdown--3rd place gets money (I forget if it was 10 or 40--was thinking 40 but maybe 10)--you just have to make the final to earn cash this season.
I'm fine with disagreeing I just don't see your logic here because of the guy matchup. CJ shocked me and was impressive but I don't think anyone would have expected him to win that. Now maybe if Cancun was going against Brooklyn then I would have agreed with you but not SD2 or Vegas--that's just a horrible matchup for them[/QUOTE]
This is how i would strategize my chances if i was her in that place. I guess i would just think of it was ok, odds are i have to go in at some point(unless they have been dominating every challenge), my thinking if i was her, i'd always risk losing with the best guy and the leader of the team, than Derek. Also, like i said if she was confident in her abilities, theirs the 50/50 chance she could be the tiebreaker even if zach beat cj bad. So basically she either had 0 faith in CJ or 0 faith in herself. But those are the risks, she wasn't willing to risk it and is hoping they never get last or voted in again. GL with that Jonna. I actually hope hse does get some money since she is in a bad situation, but i dunno about that team of her and Derek.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;326363]I don't think it will work out for her but I think it was the right strategic move. I think the mistake was CJ going in.[/QUOTE]
See i agree with that and would agree more with Jonna NOT going in if Derek had volunteered for the reasons i stated about going in with strongest guy. If Cj hadn't gone in, i'd agree with you
I think Cj wanted to prove himself and i respect that though. He did awesome in that elimination. The one big mistake he made which cost him was letting zach go over him untouched and not break stride in i think it was the 2nd round of the sudden death. if they met in the middle again, i bet he could have taken it.
Whether or not Jonna should have gone in, I found her annoying this episode. Boo hoo, I've had a rough life and I'm gonna whip that out and stomp out of the room whenever anyone brings up even the idea of me going into an elimination round. Really? I get her not wanting to face elimination (even if it is playing the game scared), but she doesn't have to act like such a brat about it. Her obsession with dudes and this damsel-in-distress thing she has going on is just getting on my nerves. Plus, I was genuinely concerned for Jaz! Of all the eliminations she could go into, this one is the worst (although watching her try to do the endurance one with the balls would be kinda funny)...I was scared she was gonna get seriously injured!
I've never really had an opinion about CJ, but he earned some points with me tonight by: 1. Volunteering himself to go into an elimination with the idea that it would be his team's best chance of staying intact (and because "character should be first, money second"), and 2. Almost beating Zach in Hall Brawl. Great strategy...for awhile I was thinking there was no way Zach was going to be able to counter it. He definitely held his own and did way better than anyone expected him to. And his graciousness towards Jaz was so sweet. Not gonna lie, my heart broke for her a little when she could barely breathe and all she wanted to say to her team was "I'm sorry". :(
This ep was great, and it looks like the ones coming up are gonna be even better!
[QUOTE=jojorules;326367]See i agree with that and would agree more with Jonna NOT going in if Derek had volunteered for the reasons i stated about going in with strongest guy. If Cj hadn't gone in, i'd agree with you[/QUOTE]
I just think Cancun had no chance to beat San Diego in Hall Brawl and it was basically suicide going in. I understand your logic--I'd always want to go into an elimination round with the strongest possible partner as well (Chet & Sarah teaming up is smart) but I just think the risk here was far too high. Now if it had been any other type of elimination I'd be agreeing with you. I think Jonna & CJ together have a great shot in the other elimination rounds.
Does Jonna really not have any family or friends who can help her out? I find her situation kind of pitiful if she's really on her own and with no money either.
[QUOTE=Heelin';326371]Does Jonna really not have any family or friends who can help her out? I find her situation kind of pitiful if she's really on her own and with no money either.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, no. She was in foster care her whole life and once she turned 18, her family kicked her out. From what I understand, she was living with Derek until the start of this challenge. Had she been eliminated and he still there, she wouldn't have had anywhere to go.
Here's the problem with everyone defending Jonna, shes now on a team with just Derek. You think shes going to win? you're wrong. I get the strategy of sending in derek and Jasmine if you've resigned to the idea that you can't win against Zach. But CJ Hadn't, CJ was going in, so jonna had a choice given the cards she was dealt, and since CJ was going in the best thing for Jonna to do was go in. She had a better chance than Jasmine and had Jonna won, there would have been no sudden death and the team would have been fine. Or she would have gone home, but shes going home anyway. Unless we only have a couple more episodes left, I can't see Cancun being a team that makes it to the final. Marie and Robb stand a better chance in my opinion.
as for Zach and CJ. I was on the edge of my seat it was awesome to watch. I thought Zach had this and CJ pulling his legs was awesome. I didn't think Zach was going to do it on the sudden death and then he did and I was really pumped watching it. I think Zach was bleeding because of rubbing his arms on the wall. CJ kept low and Inn where Zach just seems to have more mass. Looking at his arms, it seems that he just rubbed his skin off on the clear walls.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;326373]Now that I think about it, it kinda makes sense why she did that other reality show on TruTV after Cancun; easy money.[/QUOTE]
What reality show?
And does anyone think that a boyfriend two summers ago could have been Pat? Or am I crazy? It's just that I was watching their reunion the other day and when that was filmed, however long after they left cancun, they were still dating.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;326372]Sadly, no. She was in foster care her whole life and once she turned 18, her family kicked her out. From what I understand, she was living with Derek until the start of this challenge. Had she been eliminated and he still there, she wouldn't have had anywhere to go.[/QUOTE]
****, that's rough. I have a spare bedroom in Jersey if she wants to come stay LOL.
[QUOTE=torstar;326376]What reality show?
And does anyone think that a boyfriend two summers ago could have been Pat? Or am I crazy? It's just that I was watching their reunion the other day and when that was filmed, however long after they left cancun, they were still dating.[/QUOTE]
She was on some show about the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas. I think it was called Rehab.
If it's Pat, then I feel like that's just Karma.
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