I think Theresa would have won if Laurel had been MIA. Cara could have been taken out in an elimination round by a few girls and while she's seen a lot of finals, she still struggles with them (see Rivals 2). Camila could have been taken out by a bigger girl in an elimination round (if she doesn't see an elimination round it would've been close then). Nany is just average to me.
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402814]I think definitely Cara Maria. At that point in the game, and without Laurel, neither of the other girls left could have taken her out in an elimination. And in the finals, she has proven to be great, that's why she has 3 2nd place finishes, and she lost two of them against two of the best females to do challenges (Queen Evelyn and Emily), without them she would have gotten the win.
Which makes my point, without going against true elites (Queen Evelyn [Rivals 1], Emily [Exes], Emily [Rivals 2], she can have a good shot at winning. Besides I don't think Theresa would stand a chance against Cara Maria in a final, Cara Maria has outperform her in general so far in past challenges, pull-ups included xD. Nany we haven't seen much of her, but I will still have my money on Cara Maria to win.[/QUOTE]
On a final, I would say Cara Maria would beat Theresa, but we may be wrong since we haven't seen Theresa on a final. But I believe that if the two of them would compete in a elimination, Theresa probably would win.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;402822]I think Theresa would have won if Laurel had been MIA. Cara could have been taken out in an elimination round by a few girls and while she's seen a lot of finals, she still struggles with them (see Rivals 2). Camila could have been taken out by a bigger girl in an elimination round (if she doesn't see an elimination round it would've been close then). Nany is just average to me.[/QUOTE]
My money would have been on Cara Maria for both the final and the elimination.
Theresa vs Cara would have been an interesting matchup.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;402823]On a final, I would say Cara Maria would beat Theresa, but we may be wrong since we haven't seen Theresa on a final. But I believe that if the two of them would compete in a elimination, Theresa probably would win.[/QUOTE]
Based on what? Lets do some comparison.
Challenge won:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 0
Winner - TIED
Final Challenge appearances:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 3 (Three second place finishes, which means she wasn't last in neither of them, while we haven't even seen Theresa in a final, she could suck for all we know and u are betting on her to do better than Cara Maria 0_o).
Winner - CARA MARIA
Eliminations wins:
Theresa - 2
Cara Maria - 8
Winner - CARA MARIA
Pull-ups:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 6
Winner - CARA MARIA
Cara Maria has proven to be a better athlete than Theresa (Just see the FM2 try-outs, or just watch past challenges), stronger (that isn't even debatable), great at finals (she has finishes 2nd place three times, while Theresa hasn't even gone in any). What does Theresa have on Cara? Size? Well Cara defeated Nia which is way bigger than her in something favoring size. Cara Maria would definitely beat Theresa in an elimination round based on performance on past challenges, besides Cara Maria already eliminated Theresa before, ha xD.
I mean comparing Cara Maria to Theresa is already ridiculous in my opinion. But everyone can have there own opinion so its all good.
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402829]Based on what? Lets do some comparison.
Challenge won:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 0
Winner - TIED
Final Challenge appearances:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 3 (Three second place finishes, which means she wasn't last in neither of them, while we haven't even seen Theresa in a final, she could suck for all we know and u are betting on her to do better than Cara Maria 0_o).
Winner - CARA MARIA
Eliminations wins:
Theresa - 2
Cara Maria - 8
Winner - CARA MARIA
Pull-ups:
Theresa - 0
Cara Maria - 6
Winner - CARA MARIA
Cara Maria has proven to be a better athlete than Theresa (Just see the FM2 try-outs, or just watch past challenges), stronger (that isn't even debatable), great at finals (she has finishes 2nd place three times, while Theresa hasn't even gone in any). What does Theresa have on Cara? Size? Well Cara defeated Nia which is way bigger than her in something favoring size. Cara Maria would definitely beat Theresa in an elimination round based on performance on past challenges, besides Cara Maria already eliminated Theresa before, ha xD.
I mean comparing Cara Maria to Theresa is already ridiculous in my opinion. But everyone can have there own opinion so its all good.[/QUOTE]
Cara's partners: Laurel, Abe, Cooke, Darrell
Theresa's partners: Ryan, Camila, Jasmine
The fact that Cara hasn't even won yet is pretty odd. Cara needs someone to motivate or be by her side or she doesn't do well. Cara made all those finals because of either her partner or her relationship with a team member. Not because she was actually impressive in the missions. Every elimination Theresa has seen she's been tied with a poor partner or had to face someone the caliber of Laurel.
Theresa has been the most screwed over person of the Challenge in the last 5 years. Imagine if Theresa and Laurel were partners for a challenge; they would go miles beyond what Cara achieved with Laurel.
Only chance Cara Maria will ever win a challenge is if its a team challenge. Theresa on the other hand I think could win indivadually one day.
Some competitors just stand better chances of winning with teams verses partners or by themselves like Nany and Jonna. They are good competitors but they could benefit from a big team challenge because they would be found more useful to their teams in the end and they have numbers which could keep them from seeing eliminations.
"The fact that Cara hasn't even won yet is pretty odd... Cara's partners: Laurel, Abe, Cooke"
Its called going against Queen Evelyn and Emily. No other explanation needed. Theresa or any other females (including Laurel ;) ) would have lost going against them as well. So your point?
"Cara need someone to motivate her or she doesn't do well."
She did pretty well in this INDIVIDUAL challenge and would have probably won this INDIVIDUAL challenge if Laurel wasn't there.
"Cara made those finals because of her partner or teammate"
I guess her team (Ironic lol) or her teammates would have gotten as far as they did or won if she wasn't there (sarcasm).
Notice how in my argument I showcased the great things Cara Maria has done, yet in your argument you couldn't even mention Theresa accomplishments. You focused on Cara instead. That saids it all.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;402837]Only chance Cara Maria will ever win a challenge is if its a team challenge. Theresa on the other hand I think could win indivadually one day.
Some competitors just stand better chances of winning with teams verses partners or by themselves like Nany and Jonna. They are good competitors but they could benefit from a big team challenge because they would be found more useful to their teams in the end and they have numbers which could keep them from seeing eliminations.[/QUOTE]
This is why I think they need to consider doing a Big team challenge in the future. I feel like a lot of the people who do challenges now would be successful in them..And the more recent seasons would have people with wins under their belt.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;402837][b]Only chance Cara Maria will ever win a challenge is if its a team challenge. Theresa on the other hand I think could win indivadually one day.[/b]
Some competitors just stand better chances of winning with teams verses partners or by themselves like Nany and Jonna. They are good competitors but they could benefit from a big team challenge because they would be found more useful to their teams in the end and they have numbers which could keep them from seeing eliminations.[/QUOTE]
Highly disagree with this statement, wait until this season ends and then tell me who out perfomed someone individually #Just saying
Keep in mind just because someone is bigger it doesn't mean that they are stronger, Cara is going to proved that this challenge by what I keep hearing.
Also, that she doesn't always needs someone to motivated her this was a growing experience for her.
Cara Maria have proved as a competitor that she is good while this would be the first time Theresa even does that in 5 shows. Don't tell me the excuse her partner sucks because competitors that have had sucky partners have had their shining moments, Theresa have never had one until now.
[QUOTE=JayTee;402835][B]Theresa has been the most screwed over person of the Challenge in the last 5 years.[/B] Imagine if Theresa and Laurel were partners for a challenge; they would go miles beyond what Cara achieved with Laurel.[/QUOTE]
i would give that to sarah
[QUOTE=JayTee;402835]Theresa has been the most screwed over person of the Challenge in the last 5 years. Imagine if Theresa and Laurel were partners for a challenge; they would go miles beyond what Cara achieved with Laurel.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Laurel and Cara Maria WON several challenges (WITH Queen Evelyn being there) and two eliminations (eliminating Theresa along the way) and finished in 2nd place only behind Queen Evelyn. So saying that Laurel having Theresa instead of Cara they would have done better than they did (also going against Queen Evelyn) is delusional.
[QUOTE=wth101;402842]i would give that to sarah[/QUOTE]
Totally forgot about Sarah, you got me. Her cries on Ex's and Rivals 2 were soooooo cringeworthy lol
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402843]I disagree. Laurel and Cara Maria WON several challenges (WITH Queen Evelyn being there) and two eliminations (eliminating Theresa along the way) and finished in 2nd place only behind Queen Evelyn. So saying that Laurel having Theresa instead of Cara they would have done better than they did (also going against Queen Evelyn) is delusional.[/QUOTE]
I kind of put Laurel and Evelyn in the same tier, and I put Cara and Paula in the same tier, but I believe Theresa is better than both Cara and Paula so I think Laurel's chances of winning Rivals would be a lot better with Theresa as a parter.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;402841]Highly disagree with this statement, wait until this season ends and then tell me who out perfomed someone individually #Just saying
Keep in mind just because someone is bigger it doesn't mean that they are stronger, Cara is going to proved that this challenge by what I keep hearing.
Also, that she doesn't always needs someone to motivated her this was a growing experience for her.
Cara Maria have proved as a competitor that she is good while this would be the first time Theresa even does that in 5 shows. Don't tell me the excuse her partner sucks because competitors that have had sucky partners have had their shining moments, Theresa have never had one until now.[/QUOTE]
Yet she doesn't make the final....
I didn't say she sucked but she can't win on her own because there will always be better competitors than her and she is not liked by many which is really her real issue.
[QUOTE=JayTee;402845]I kind of put Laurel and Evelyn in the same tier, and I put Cara and Paula in the same tier, but I believe Theresa is better than both Cara and Paula so I think Laurel's chances of winning Rivals would be a lot better with Theresa as a parter.[/QUOTE]
Oh God where do I start.
"I kind of put Laurel and Evelyn in the same tire"
They're not.
"I believe Theresa is better than both Cara and Paula"
Based on WHAT oh my god LOL! Have you seen Paula in a final? She's a machine. have you seen Theresa in a final? me neither. So wait a minute. You're saying that Theresa who hasn't done anything "wow" in all her past 4 challenges is better than Cara and Paula? AND that Laurel would have a better chance of WINNING rivals with Theresa vs Queen Evelyn and Paula who is a machine in finals? For me that doesn't even make any sense and I disagree 100% especially when you have NOTHING that Theresa has done to back up your claim.
BUT I guess we clearly just disagree in terms of Cara Maria and Theresa. lol.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;402846]Yet she doesn't make the final....
I didn't say she sucked but she can't win on her own because there will always be better competitors than her and she is not liked by many which is really her real issue.[/QUOTE]
Yet, Theresa didn't either...Your point?
Cara went against Laurel (The only girl still there that would take her out) put a good fight even though she had a **** up hand .
I was told that overall Laurel was number 1 and Cara number 2 even though neither won a lot of missions...Do I trust the person that told me that? Hell yes, he/she have been a really good source this season and have been right about the spoilers I have posted on here such as the finalist and the places they got on it.
Wait until this season is over then tell me who outperformed who individually between Cara and theresa ;)
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402839]"The fact that Cara hasn't even won yet is pretty odd... Cara's partners: Laurel, Abe, Cooke"
Its called going against Queen Evelyn and Emily. No other explanation needed. Theresa or any other females (including Laurel ;) ) would have lost going against them as well. So your point?
"Cara need someone to motivate her or she doesn't do well."
She did pretty well in this INDIVIDUAL challenge and would have probably won this INDIVIDUAL challenge if Laurel wasn't there.
"Cara made those finals because of her partner or teammate"
I guess her team (Ironic lol) or her teammates would have gotten as far as they did or won if she wasn't there (sarcasm).
Notice how in my argument I showcased the great things Cara Maria has done, yet in your argument you couldn't even mention Theresa accomplishments. You focused on Cara instead. That saids it all.[/QUOTE]
LOL she and Cooke were beating Paula/Emily by quite a bit until Cara totally ruined it for them. They had a great chance of winning, too. Hell, Laurel/CM almost gained a lead on Ev/Paula, too. Why are you acting like they can't be touched?
How is it individual when there are teams/pairs missions frequently? Nany and Devyn made it to the final, I guess that means they were top tier competitors? Theresa and Camila are much better than CM from this FA cast.
Yes, Cooke would have probably won Rivals 2 with someone who didn't slow her down as much as Cara did. And I explianed that she's been handicapped with terrible partners. However, she and Camila outperformed Laurel/CM in the three Rivals 1 missions they did and did very well in her only Exile. She hasn't gotten much of a chance to prove herself, while Cara remains winless with GREAT partners.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;402850]LOL she and Cooke were beating Paula/Emily by quite a bit until Cara totally ruined it for them. They had a great chance of winning, too. Hell, Laurel/CM almost gained a lead on Ev/Paula, too. Why are you acting like they can't be touched?
How is it individual when there are teams/pairs missions frequently? Nany and Devyn made it to the final, I guess that means they were top tier competitors? Theresa and Camila are much better than CM from this FA cast.
Yes, Cooke would have probably won Rivals 2 with someone who didn't slow her down as much as Cara did. And I explianed that she's been handicapped with terrible partners. However, she and Camila outperformed Laurel/CM in the three Rivals 1 missions they did and did very well in her only Exile. She hasn't gotten much of a chance to prove herself, while Cara remains winless with GREAT partners.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect, Cooke/Cara weren't beating Emily/Paula by "quite a bit" and is also incorrect that Cara ruined it for them, cause Emily/Paula passed Cooke/Cara in the EATING challenge (because Paula did great in that, but I guess it wasn't cause Emily and Paula slayed that part, it was because Cara ruined it, lol false. And they gained a huge lead over that, there was no way they could have recover after that eating part of the challenge going against Emily and Paula. Emily/Paula did better in that final and Cooke with Theresa wouldn't have changed that. Your point?
Also Queen Evelyn with machine in finals Paula beat Laurel/Cara in the final cuase they did better, simple as that, Cara didn't ruin nothing either, your blaming her without actual proof.
And yes Queen Evelyn and Emily can't be touch when is female vs female, they have proven that and until is proven otherwise its a fact, so I'm not "acting" that way, it's a fact. :)
How is Theresa better than Cara Maria in this cast? please answer that? based on what? Like I already said Cara Maria out perform her in the FM2 try outs and in past challenges in general, its a fact, just watch the challenges. You still can't even mention a memorable thing Theresa has done before for you to say she's better than Cara, simply because there aren't any memorable thing she's done.
Yes, Cooke would have probably won Rivals 2 with someone who didn't slow her down as much as Cara did."
That's an opinion not a fact. In fact 95% of your arguments are all based on things that never happend and that you "think" would have happened. Plus we are comparing Theresa v.s. Cara Maria so you're saying Theresa and Cooke would have won against Emily/Paula? cause that's laughable especially when we haven't even seen Theresa in a Final.
Is just funny how two or three members think Theresa is this great athlete when she still hasn't done anything great in all her previous challenges. Is just that, funny.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;402850]LOL she and Cooke were beating Paula/Emily by quite a bit until Cara totally ruined it for them. They had a great chance of winning, too. Hell, Laurel/CM almost gained a lead on Ev/Paula, too. Why are you acting like they can't be touched?
How is it individual when there are teams/pairs missions frequently? Nany and Devyn made it to the final, I guess that means they were top tier competitors? Theresa and Camila are much better than CM from this FA cast.
Yes, Cooke would have probably won Rivals 2 with someone who didn't slow her down as much as Cara did. And I explianed that she's been handicapped with terrible partners. However, she and Camila outperformed Laurel/CM in the three Rivals 1 missions they did and did very well in her only Exile. She hasn't gotten much of a chance to prove herself, while Cara remains winless with GREAT partners.[/QUOTE]
Oh and it isn't that Theresa hasn't gotten a chance to prove herself in FOUR Challenges, LOL, is just that she hasn't DONE anything to prove herself. And Theresa would still have been WINLESS if she had the same partners that Cara Maria had. Or are you saying that Theresa and Laurel would have beaten Queen Evelyn and Paula, and that Theresa would have won against EMILY in x Battle, or that Theresa and Cooke would have won against Emily and Paula in a final even though we haven't even seen Theresa in a final to give that judgment? lol. Theresa would have still been winless with Cara's partners based on the competition she had. So your point? cause there isn't any.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;402796]Yeah. I think people don't give Nany a whole lot of credit as a competitor...you can actually say that for most of the new generation. It's like they get overlooked when it comes to competition as if all of them are weak.[/QUOTE]
I like Nany, its the fact Devyn made the final again that sucks
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402854]Oh and it isn't that Theresa hasn't gotten a chance to prove herself in FOUR Challenges, LOL, is just that she hasn't DONE anything to prove herself. And Theresa would still have been WINLESS if she had the same partners that Cara Maria had. Or are you saying that Theresa and Laurel would have beaten Queen Evelyn and Paula, and that Theresa would have won against EMILY in x Battle, or that Theresa and Cooke would have won against Emily and Paula in a final even though we haven't even seen Theresa in a final to give that judgment? lol. Theresa would have still been winless with Cara's partners based on the competition she had. So your point? cause there isn't any.[/QUOTE]
Not getting into this whole debate with Cara Maria vs. Theresa but in your post above you mentioned fact vs. opinion, just pointing out that your entire post I quoted is not a fact, it is an opinion. You do not know how Theresa would have fared with Cara Maria's partners, saying she would still be winless is your opinion.
Anyways, back to Free Agents. I'm looking forward to the eliminations this week, especially Jonna vs. Emilee considering they are very close. I'm curious to see which female is voted in by the winning team, I'm assuming Emilee because she is still considered a Rookie and is less known by the cast.
It's funny that out of the three Cancun girls, considering Jonna and Emilee don't win this week's challenge and Jasmine has already won last week's, on paper Jasmine is competing better this challenge than her cast mates haha. She should thank Chet.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;402857]I like Nany, its the fact Devyn made the final again that sucks[/QUOTE]
I love both Devyn and Nany a lot, but the fact that people like Cara Maria and Theresa have to go to multiple eliminations and then be eliminated by Laurel while Devyn and Nany don't see any elimination makes me mad. If Nany performed as good and won a lot of the missions, then I'm okay with it, but seeing Devyn in the final is stupid.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;402858]Not getting into this whole debate with Cara Maria vs. Theresa but in your post above you mentioned fact vs. opinion, just pointing out that your entire post I quoted is not a fact, it is an opinion. You do not know how Theresa would have fared with Cara Maria's partners, saying she would still be winless is your opinion.
Anyways, back to Free Agents. I'm looking forward to the eliminations this week, especially Jonna vs. Emilee considering they are very close. I'm curious to see which female is voted in by the winning team, I'm assuming Emilee because she is still considered a Rookie and is less known by the cast.
It's funny that out of the three Cancun girls, considering Jonna and Emilee don't win this week's challenge and Jasmine has already won last week's, on paper Jasmine is competing better this challenge than her cast mates haha. She should thank Chet.[/QUOTE]
For her size, Jasmine is not that bad. I used to like her a lot, but this season she just rubs me the wrong way.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;402860]For her size, Jasmine is not that bad. I used to like her a lot, but this season she just rubs me the wrong way.[/QUOTE]
I'll give her the fact that she can hold her own and isn't a quitter, and I agree she isn't as bad as some people make her out to be, but I'd take Jonna first in a draft, followed by Emilee, then Ayiiia, then Jasmine.
Thinking about Cancun as a whole, eight person team, I think they'd do pretty well in a "supreme" Battle of the Seasons with full cast teams.
So the bike and cars are in this week, I wonder what pair wins, we know who doesn't jonna and her partner Emilee and her partner Dustin & Nany and Frank & Nia
I honestly can't decide whether CM or Theresa is better cause Theresa has had such bad partners that I haven't really seen what she can do. She has potential to win a challenge some day that is for sure.
So Emilee & Dustin get voted in then Jonna & Frank are from the draw? Damn I can't believe Frank got the draw twice. How unlucky.
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;402853]Incorrect, Cooke/Cara weren't beating Emily/Paula by "quite a bit" and is also incorrect that Cara ruined it for them, cause Emily/Paula passed Cooke/Cara in the EATING challenge (because Paula did great in that, but I guess it wasn't cause Emily and Paula slayed that part, it was because Cara ruined it, lol false. And they gained a huge lead over that, there was no way they could have recover after that eating part of the challenge going against Emily and Paula. Emily/Paula did better in that final and Cooke with Theresa wouldn't have changed that. Your point?
Also Queen Evelyn with machine in finals Paula beat Laurel/Cara in the final cuase they did better, simple as that, Cara didn't ruin nothing either, your blaming her without actual proof.
And yes Queen Evelyn and Emily can't be touch when is female vs female, they have proven that and until is proven otherwise its a fact, so I'm not "acting" that way, it's a fact. :)
How is Theresa better than Cara Maria in this cast? please answer that? based on what? Like I already said Cara Maria out perform her in the FM2 try outs and in past challenges in general, its a fact, just watch the challenges. You still can't even mention a memorable thing Theresa has done before for you to say she's better than Cara, simply because there aren't any memorable thing she's done.
Yes, Cooke would have probably won Rivals 2 with someone who didn't slow her down as much as Cara did."
That's an opinion not a fact. In fact 95% of your arguments are all based on things that never happend and that you "think" would have happened. Plus we are comparing Theresa v.s. Cara Maria so you're saying Theresa and Cooke would have won against Emily/Paula? cause that's laughable especially when we haven't even seen Theresa in a Final.
Is just funny how two or three members think Theresa is this great athlete when she still hasn't done anything great in all her previous challenges. Is just that, funny.[/QUOTE]
They actually were beating them by quite to begin with. Also, Cara/Cooke could have EASILY caught up as they were still at the same part of the final (body bag/stretcher part) and while Emily/Paula killed it, Cara took constant breaks, killing any chance of a win. Theresa looks like she'd definitely at least try more than Cara did towards the end. Should we even mention how TERRIBLE Cara's swimming was? Or how terrible she was in most of the missions that season?
LOL no legit rebuttal? Emily definitely isn't this monster you're making her out to be. Especially in a final.
LMAO @ you STILL clinging to those stats when Cara hasn't even lived up to it at all. If those mattered, Cara would be outperforming Laurel when that's obviously not the case. And I already went over the terrible partners. You can choose to be biased with your Cara love that she is somehow this great competitor.
It's pretty hilarious that you think CM is this fierce competitor.
FM2: sent home first because of the puzzles
Cutthroat: Abe liked her and kept her around; underperformed.
Rivals 1: Did well with an elite partner.
Exes: did mediocre
Seasons: didn't do much that was impressive
Rivals 2: did pretty terrible in the missions
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;402865]I honestly can't decide whether CM or Theresa is better cause Theresa has had such bad partners that I haven't really seen what she can do. She has potential to win a challenge some day that is for sure.
So Emilee & Dustin get voted in then Jonna & Frank are from the draw? Damn I can't believe Frank got the draw twice. How unlucky.[/QUOTE]
No Jonna/Dustin get voted in and Emilee/Frank draw cards.
Personally I think Emily is the strongest current female member. Everyone takes what she says about how "Long distance running is my weakness" and makes it seem like she is prone to gassing out. Let's not forget how awesome she did on the Exes finale (toughest final ever). Is long distance running her weakest physical aspect? Probably. But I think she would hold her own in an individual competition. Eliminating anyone in a 1 on 1, and in a final.
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