[quote=blanky667;70567]I found an interview with Mark about the show. It was posted today. [/quote]
Mark almost completely told the truth, too. He admits to doing a deal with Rachel before the season but doesn't mention his more robust arrangement with Evan and Brad.
So do you guys think CT would have not teamed up with anyone and just looked out for himself, because if he wasn't in the Mark, Evan and Brad alliance does anyone really have the balls to call CT out or would they try to get like Landon to do there dirty work vs CT? Also, I'm surprised Mark and Landon didn't team up. They seem like good friends.
[quote=jones10389;70604]So do you guys think CT would have not teamed up with anyone and just looked out for himself, because if he wasn't in then Mark, Evan and Brad alliance does anyone really have the balls to call CT out or would they try to get like Landon to do there dirty work vs CT? Also, I'm surprised Mark and Landon didn't team up. They seem like good friends.[/quote]
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[quote=molds13;70560]When are you gonna let that one go buddy? You still seem pretty bitter over it.[/quote]
Not really bitter, but disappointed somewhat based on the Final outcome and the differences in the entire game had the right call been made. Evan's departure would have almost assured Mark and Rachel having to go in and fend for themselves imo.
I have nothing against the winners, but it would be nice if 1 of these challenges actually produced winners that was deserving
Duel I had 2 deserving winners
The Island had 2 deserving winners
G3 had 3 deserving winners (Frank, Tori, and Jillian)
Anywho, if a guy can win 4 duels, then you have to respect it. That is asking a lot from 1 person given there are only 10 duels per gender.
[quote=Darock1713;70628]Not really bitter, but disappointed somewhat based on the Final outcome and the differences in the entire game had the right call been made. Evan's departure would have almost assured Mark and Rachel having to go in and fend for themselves imo.
I have nothing against the winners, but it would be nice if 1 of these challenges actually produced winners that was deserving
Duel I had 2 deserving winners
The Island had 2 deserving winners
G3 had 3 deserving winners (Frank, Tori, and Jillian)
Anywho, if a guy can win 4 duels, then you have to respect it. That is asking a lot from 1 person given there are only 10 duels per gender.[/quote]
And how do you decide whether someone is deserving or not? If Evan goes in to 4 duels, he is absolutely deserving to win.
Just want to put this out there...
How does one "deserve" to win?
If your doing well in missions, and nobody calls in you in the Duel, how is that your fault?
For example, If Landon and Brittni won every mission, and never went into a duel, are you saying that it wouldn't be fair for them to win? That makes no sense.
As for the Island, nobody wanted to go against the big alliance, and Johnnny and Kenny did deserve to win. As well as Derrick and Ev. They were playing the game, and it worked.
Saying somebody who won doesn't "deserve" to win is kind of rude.
[quote=tjhallow;70636]Just want to put this out there...
How does one "deserve" to win?
If your doing well in missions, and nobody calls in you in the Duel, how is that your fault?
For example, If Landon and Brittni won every mission, and never went into a duel, are you saying that it wouldn't be fair for them to win? That makes no sense.
As for the Island, nobody wanted to go against the big alliance, and Johnnny and Kenny did deserve to win. As well as Derrick and Ev. They were playing the game, and it worked.
Saying somebody who won doesn't "deserve" to win is kind of rude.[/quote]
I wasn't trying to be rude. You bring a good point.
Your points in the duel challenge are very sharp. No rebuttal except that Mark/Rachel aren't winning every challenge and that behind the scenes, Rachel is spreading herself thin to avoid going in when she doesn't. Just my opinion, but she is too strong for that. However, to your behalf, someone has to be willing to call them out when they don't win, and that hasn't happened.
As a viewer, I'm just not in favor of someone "playing the game" by basically riding the coattails of a click. I really wished the Duel 2 only had 4 winners as opposed to 6.
[quote=Darock1713;70646]I wasn't trying to be rude. You bring a good point.
Your points in the duel challenge are very sharp. No rebuttal except that Mark/Rachel aren't winning every challenge and that behind the scenes, Rachel is spreading herself thin to avoid going in when she doesn't. Just my opinion, but she is too strong for that. However, to your behalf, someone has to be willing to call them out when they don't win, and that hasn't happened.
As a viewer, I'm just not in favor of someone "playing the game" by basically riding the coattails of a click. I really wished the Duel 2 only had 4 winners as opposed to 6.[/quote]
Well if they choose to listen to Rachel and not call her in, how is that her fault? It's not like she's going around saying "If you call me in the duel, I will smash your head and eat it". Rachel is a feared competitor, as well as Tori. She's not winning every mission, but she's doing well. Therefore, she"deserves" to be there. Its not like she's doing horrible every mission, and not getting called out.
If people are going by the list, then that is their problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
As far as Evan goes, he is a feared competitor. He has proved himself in challenges more than enough. Did you watch Fresh Meat, G3, or the first duel? Evan has always been one of the top competitors. Its just seems as if you have something against him, because you keep bring that duel over him and Nedermeyer up.
[quote=tjhallow;70650]Well if they choose to listen to Rachel and not call her in, how is that her fault? It's not like she's going around saying "If you call me in the duel, I will smash your head and eat it". Rachel is a feared competitor, as well as Tori. She's not winning every mission, but she's doing well. Therefore, she"deserves" to be there. Its not like she's doing horrible every mission, and not getting called out.
If people are going by the list, then that is their problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
As far as Evan goes, he is a feared competitor. He has proved himself in challenges more than enough. Did you watch Fresh Meat, G3, or the first duel? Evan has always been one of the top competitors. Its just seems as if you have something against him, because you keep bring that duel over him and Nedermeyer up.[/quote]
I have agreed with you in my last post. I don't know what else I can say. I acknowledged that you made a good point and gave you credit. However, I am entitled to have an opinion as to how I would like to see the game played. I am not trying to argue with you because our viewpoints are closer than you may realize.
As for Evan, I thought I was clear. Molds13 have already made a point, but even in my initial response, I give him credit for going in and winning 4x. His duel with Nehemiah would have totally changed the complexion of the game as to where they could have been a formidable counter alliance or at least injected enough concern to see changes within "the list". Yet that was distorted because of a "technicality" imo.
This has nothing to do with him personally or his challenge capability. He is a great competitor, but that is irrelevant to my initial point. He is the center of an unopposed alliance, and his departure would have changed the game from being what is evident even without spoiler information to be somewhat predictable.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;70671]Darock,
I understand. Excuse my hardcore Evan fan tendencies.[/QUOTE]
Yeah TJ just so happens to be a pit bull when she speaks of Evan...I am starting to wonder if she is his mother in diguise :D
I think if you make it to the end, you deserve to win no matter how you got there. It may not be whom I want to win and it may not be in a way that I approve of but bottom line is...Play the game, don't let the game play you.
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;70692]Yeah TJ just so happens to be a pit bull when she speaks of Evan...I am starting to wonder if she is his mother in diguise :D
I think if you make it to the end, you deserve to wion no matter how you got there. It may not be whom I want to win and it may not be in a way that I approve of but bottom line is...Play the game, don't let the game play you.[/quote]
Funny,
I agree, and probably have been unfair to Evan in whole because 1.) he is a very strong competitor, 2.) the last few episodes involving Diem have been off the wall hilarious, and 3.) he is always close to the top in the challenges.
Let me rephrase because I am interested in all of your opinions. Who do you guys think have the easiest road in getting to the Finals?
[QUOTE=Darock1713;70700]Funny,
I agree, and probably have been unfair to Evan in whole because 1.) he is a very strong competitor, 2.) the last few episodes involving Diem have been off the wall hilarious, and 3.) he is always close to the top in the challenges.
Let me rephrase because I am interested in all of your opinions. Who do you guys think have the easiest road in getting to the Finals?[/QUOTE]
Whoever BMP wants to be in it...
[QUOTE=Darock1713;70700][quote=Stacee_Danielle;70692]Yeah TJ just so happens to be a pit bull when she speaks of Evan...I am starting to wonder if she is his mother in diguise :D
I think if you make it to the end, you deserve to wion no matter how you got there. It may not be whom I want to win and it may not be in a way that I approve of but bottom line is...Play the game, don't let the game play you.[/quot
Funny,
I agree, and probably have been unfair to Evan in whole because 1.) he is a very strong competitor, 2.) the last few episodes involving Diem have been off the wall hilarious, and 3.) he is always close to the top in the challenges.
Let me rephrase because I am interested in all of your opinions. Who do you guys think have the easiest road in getting to the Finals?[/QUOTE]
Hard to say. You could say Landon, because he's only been in the Duel once...yet he's won a ton of challenges that prevent him from being called in. You could say the same for Mark, who has yet to be called in yet has won challenges. You could say Brad or MJ just made the right friends, but they are also fairly strong competitors.
I think the only one who doesn't make sense to say their trip was "easy" was Evan since he has gone in so much. He's the one that's risked the most to keep his place.
In the end, I would have to say that the person who had the easiest road in getting to the finals will be the person who has won the least amount of challenges and faced the least amount of Duels.
[quote=Darock1713;70700]
Let me rephrase because I am interested in all of your opinions. Who do you guys think have the easiest road in getting to the Finals?[/quote]
I was starting to think Tj is Evan's girlfriend disguise actually :kiss3: lol
For the record I also agree that anyone who makes it to the finals deserves to be there whether its because their social or physical or sociophysical game was tight.
But I do think that certain people appear to have had an easier road than others.
Mark imo has the easiest route (but I think it's because he did an excellent job of planning and executing that outcome), it looks like he doesn't see any duels and despite the fact that he and Rachel are cleaning up big time he still seems to stay way under the radar and maintain likeability. No one seems to be gunning for him they way they do Evan or perhaps even Brad down the road. Plus he doesn't have to deal with having a spouse on the show and all the problems that can come with that.
The second is a toss up between Rachel and Brittini. Even though Brittini had a duel - it was against Brooke, a baby kitten probably would've put up more of a fight. I think she's a great competitor, but she undeniably benefitted from having a very strong male partner. Rachel (who played the game almost as well as Mark) is thriving on her rep and some possibly strategic hookups that kept her from having a target on her back.
Love him or hate him, Evan definitely has the toughest road to the finals. I can't say he doesn't deserve it, he's got kind of a big mouth and a reputation for being shady. But he appears to have ultimately proved himself so I give him all the credit in the world.
ETA - Aw hell, I have to defer to V1, is production = the black hand?
[quote=Darock1713;70700]Funny,
I agree, and probably have been unfair to Evan in whole because 1.) he is a very strong competitor, 2.) the last few episodes involving Diem have been off the wall hilarious, and 3.) he is always close to the top in the challenges.
Let me rephrase because I am interested in all of your opinions. [B]Who do you guys think have the easiest road in getting to the Finals?[/B][/quote]
Mark.
[quote=Darock1713;70700]
Hard to say. You could say Landon, because he's only been in the Duel once...yet he's won a ton of challenges that prevent him from being called in. You could say the same for Mark, who has yet to be called in yet has won challenges. You could say Brad or MJ just made the right friends, but they are also fairly strong competitors.
[B]I think the only one who doesn't make sense to say their trip was "easy" was Evan since he has gone in so much. He's the one that's risked the most to keep his place.
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In the end, I would have to say that the person who had the easiest road in getting to the finals will be the person who has won the least amount of challenges and faced the least amount of Duels.[/quote]
I agree. Evan also got a flack in the beginning, but its others who are pulling the strings. Everyone is okay with Evan being the fall guy because he is perceived as a snake. Mark and Brad are considered "genuine" guys. They know exactly what to say and what to do to keep up with their good guy edit.
[quote=molds13;70706]
I agree. Evan also got a flack in the beginning, but its others who are pulling the strings. Everyone is okay with Evan being the fall guy because he is perceived as a snake. Mark and Brad are considered "genuine" guys. They know exactly what to say and what to do to keep up with their good guy edit.[/quote]
Perhaps Even should study Mark and Brad's game. Perhaps his Q would improve.
[quote=V1man;70744][quote=tjhallow;70739]
Perhaps Even should study Mark and Brad's game. Perhaps his Q would improve.[/quote]
I know, that's one of his bad qualities. He doesn't know how to be low key.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;70749][quote=V1man;70744]
I know, that's one of his bad qualities. He doesn't know how to be low key.[/QUOTE]
Evan has bad qualities in your opinion???
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;70779][quote=tjhallow;70749]
Evan has bad qualities in your opinion???[/quote]
Yes, Evan has bad qualities, everybody does. Hey, even I can admit he's not the most stand up guy. However, he's not the worst. :)
It's easy to dislike Evan lol But you have to give him credit as he definitely has a position of power in the game and he keeps winning the Duels he is put in. Though there are people who stand out a little less who are working the game just as hard...even more so.
Guys have you seen the midseason preview?It is after the duel dish:
[URL="http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/381517/midseason-preview.jhtml#id=1610742"]Midseason Preview | Video | MTV[/URL]
Anyway this is how I predict it is going down:
Dunbar vs Dereck Paula vs Anessa
Dereck vs Evan Jenn vs Diem
Evan vs MJ Anessa vs Tori
Brad vs Landon Diem vs Anessa
Please correct it if I am wrong.Thanks
[quote=Ctk495;70838]No problem TJ. It is weird for me to know there are girls on forums lol XD the other site I visit is 99% males lol[/quote]
OMG YOU KNOW I'M A GIRL!! LOL, some people here still think I'm a guy.
Anyways, I was watching the duel dish and that wasn't on their last night. Great find!
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